Obviously it isn't great. It feels unfinished and unfocused, as everyone has said, BUT I expect there to be a patch at some point that improves the frame rate, enemy AI and enemy density, which would actually make it a decent time at least. I never saw Redfall as being as vitally important as a lot of people did, so that's just me
@AverageGamer what does that have to do with now? If you hire someone and you realize it hasn't worked out, you hire someone else or you tear it all down. That's where they are if Starfield and Forza don't deliver.
To be fair, if Starfield is good (it probably will be), Forza comes out late this summer, and the third game is released (Hellblade 2 seems the most likely there), this will have been a very successful year. Redfall is a mess, but i think people might be going a little overboard. Now, if Starfield is trash....
Oh stop, Phil. Let's get something out of the way here. Microsoft has known for at LEAST a year that this game wasn't coming together. That's why they delayed it, that's why actual game play was rarely shown, that's especially why there was a review embargo. It was a trash game and Phil and everyone knew it. Maybe Arkane was hellbent on releasing it, who knows, but this pretending you didn't know what was happening is ridiculous. You released the game because you could see the game wasn't getting any better, you wanted to at least recoup some of your investment, and you were ready to have Arkane move on to Dishonored 3. Just say that.
I know we've been brutal (deservedly) on xbox for a few days, but to be be fair, if Forza, Stanfield, and the third game I suspect they're launching this year (I'm guessing Hellblade 2), come out and are in good shape, we really can't complain TOO much about the year.
Spencer pretty much admits what I've always wondered: Xbox is entirely TOO hands-off with their developers. There's something to be said for letting the teams work in peace, but the lack of oversight given to their projects is a MAJOR problem. whoever is responsible for keeping the teams on track, and getting these games completed on time and in good shape isn't doing a very good job to say the least. i think Microsoft is at a point where they will need to decide whether Xbox as a brand is worth continuing, but if it is, there will need to be a MAJOR restructuring, possibly starting with Phil himself. He's been in his position for 10 years and is Xbox in a much greater place than when he started? They were in distant 3rd place when he was promoted. where are they now..?
i think everyone who played Redfall yesterday came to a similar conclusion: it doesn't feel finished. Microsoft clearly knew the game wasn't coming along very well, which is why it was delayed (imagine how bad it would have been if they had released it LAST YEAR!). It just seems like Microsoft decided it couldn't delay the game again, so they dropped it. i figure there will be some small patches here and there and in the next few months a larger update to address some of the many issues. Think Fallout 76. I'll say it again: Starfield had better be good. I think pretty much everyone has one foot out the door by now.
A few hours in here, and if there is a silver lining, it's the gavt that this game has highlighted exactly what the problem is at Microsoft: their quality control is abysmal. They have had years to look at this game and see it wasn't coming together properly, to either cancel it or push it out, or of nothing else to ensure that these fairly obvious problems are ironed out. We know they knew that the game wasn't very good because of the review embargo (usually the sign of a bad game). Whoever is responsible for making sure games under the Microsoft umbrella come out ON TIME and more importantly in good shape, is stealing money at this point.
I've played a few hours and the word that keeps coming to mind is "rushed". It feels like this project was pushed because Arkane felt it could be profitable, but it needed more time, even with the delays. I saw someone compare it to Fallout 76, which is fair, because I do expect there to be several extensive patches made for Redfall. It's probably a 6/10 right now but many of the shortcomings seem fixable, honestly. A patch could add more enemies, possibly make them more aware of you (they often just stare at you for a few seconds before reacting), some graphical polish, etc. There's a pretty good game in there somewhere, but this is a bad look right now. Microsoft needed a win here, especially after Benedict Fox. All I can say is that Starfield had better be great...
"So whaddya think?" "Looks amazing actually. We'll put it on Xbox on ONE condition: you're not allowed to actually announce a release date. " "Why not?!" "It's just how things work around here. In fact it'd be great if you announce the game, then disappear for like 2 years, then come back, ANNOUNCE a release date, then delay it a couple times. REALLY piss the gamers off. We hate them SO MUCH....."
@Wheatly INCREDIBLE. Someday, the incredible inability of Microsoft to release ANYTHING on time ever, will be the subject of a documentary lol, it is mind-blowing.
There's something SO weird about a developer announcing post launch DLC for a game that they haven't even been able to tell us a release date for. and then telling us they'll give us more details. but not telling us when. just...in the future someday. like the main game lol
We have to start using a word that I know a lot of fans don't want to use: incompetence. Microsoft's baffling inability to get really ANYTHING out the door in a reasonable amount of time is just...incompetence at this point. Yes Sony has made great games for decades, but I'm sorry, Microsoft has beaten themselves far more than anything.
@Meehanuk_1987 I'm right there with you lol. As soon as I'm done with Hogwarts Legacy, I'm out, I think. It's mind boggling how much trouble this company has getting games out the door. they have more money than they know what to do with, but can't get anything finished, ever.
Microsoft is the single worst offender in this regard. Take a page from Nintendo: announce games when they're nearly done, it'll save a lot of headaches. The one time they didn't do that was Metroid Prime 4 but generally they're GREAT at this
This is going to be a fascinating year. It's either the year that the floodgates open actual 1st party games hit the shelf, or it could legitimately be the year Xbox goes over the cliff...
@TheCrafter1578 no, I agree completely. I played Elden Ring for nearly 100 hours because I found out how to over-level my character, which made the game about as difficult as an average game. I don't like these games otherwise and I'm really sick of almost every game being a soulslike. These are the people who made Nioh, one of the most ridiculous my over difficult games I've ever played. I quit after an hour lol
@NeoRatt 100% agree. Microsoft has a terrible habit of announcing games FAR too early. Part of it is probably because they literally weren't working on ANYTHING for several years, but man is it annoying.
How long do these studios think that teasing and promising to show stuff someday is going to work? How can they be SO tone deaf as to not understand that Xbox owners might be a LITTLE sick and tired of teases and promises?
I usually ignore this every month buuuut......Renegade Ops and the Dishwasher. This would be a great time to add some forgotten but awesome games from the old XBLA days. Throw in Bastion too while you're at it lol
I bought elden ring near launch and bounced off of it almost immediately (I'm terrible at those games). In September I happened across a video teaching me how to quickly raise my level early on. I re- specced my character and started over. I LOVE this game now, easily my game of the year, just took a little while lol
Not if it's just going to be them showing trailers for games that are years and years away, have no solid release date at ALL, or don't even have a solid genre nailed down (I'm looking at YOU, Everwild). I don't need more promises of games that are going to come out someday lol
@fox99 look, we can be salty and bash Sony if it makes us feel better, but the gact is, the games you noted got released. On time. And were well received. Ask yourself what you get out of defending Microsoft? I love my xbox but I've had it lol
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Re: Talking Point: What Do You Think Of Redfall So Far?
Obviously it isn't great. It feels unfinished and unfocused, as everyone has said, BUT I expect there to be a patch at some point that improves the frame rate, enemy AI and enemy density, which would actually make it a decent time at least. I never saw Redfall as being as vitally important as a lot of people did, so that's just me
Re: Microsoft Reckons It 'Lost The Worst Generation To Lose' With Xbox One
I've never heard Phil sound so defeated before. That probably can't be good.
Re: Phil Spencer Says Xbox 'Needs To Improve' Its Development Process
@AverageGamer what does that have to do with now? If you hire someone and you realize it hasn't worked out, you hire someone else or you tear it all down. That's where they are if Starfield and Forza don't deliver.
Re: Xbox Boss Insists Microsoft Will Deliver A Packed Schedule Of Releases
To be fair, if Starfield is good (it probably will be), Forza comes out late this summer, and the third game is released (Hellblade 2 seems the most likely there), this will have been a very successful year. Redfall is a mess, but i think people might be going a little overboard. Now, if Starfield is trash....
Re: Xbox's Phil Spencer: 'I'm Upset With Myself' Over Redfall Launch
Oh stop, Phil. Let's get something out of the way here. Microsoft has known for at LEAST a year that this game wasn't coming together. That's why they delayed it, that's why actual game play was rarely shown, that's especially why there was a review embargo. It was a trash game and Phil and everyone knew it. Maybe Arkane was hellbent on releasing it, who knows, but this pretending you didn't know what was happening is ridiculous. You released the game because you could see the game wasn't getting any better, you wanted to at least recoup some of your investment, and you were ready to have Arkane move on to Dishonored 3. Just say that.
Re: Xbox Boss Insists Microsoft Will Deliver A Packed Schedule Of Releases
I know we've been brutal (deservedly) on xbox for a few days, but to be be fair, if Forza, Stanfield, and the third game I suspect they're launching this year (I'm guessing Hellblade 2), come out and are in good shape, we really can't complain TOO much about the year.
Re: Phil Spencer Says Xbox 'Needs To Improve' Its Development Process
Spencer pretty much admits what I've always wondered: Xbox is entirely TOO hands-off with their developers. There's something to be said for letting the teams work in peace, but the lack of oversight given to their projects is a MAJOR problem. whoever is responsible for keeping the teams on track, and getting these games completed on time and in good shape isn't doing a very good job to say the least. i think Microsoft is at a point where they will need to decide whether Xbox as a brand is worth continuing, but if it is, there will need to be a MAJOR restructuring, possibly starting with Phil himself. He's been in his position for 10 years and is Xbox in a much greater place than when he started? They were in distant 3rd place when he was promoted. where are they now..?
Re: Bethesda Will Show 'Tons Of New Gameplay' At Starfield Direct Next Month
please.
PLEASE stop promising us stuff.
for once, for ONCE just deliver. make a good game. just do it.
just this once.
Re: Redfall Dev Says The Team Is 'Continuing To Improve' The Xbox Title
@Solidchief ....because they're fun and well-made....?
Re: Redfall Dev Says The Team Is 'Continuing To Improve' The Xbox Title
i think everyone who played Redfall yesterday came to a similar conclusion: it doesn't feel finished. Microsoft clearly knew the game wasn't coming along very well, which is why it was delayed (imagine how bad it would have been if they had released it LAST YEAR!). It just seems like Microsoft decided it couldn't delay the game again, so they dropped it. i figure there will be some small patches here and there and in the next few months a larger update to address some of the many issues. Think Fallout 76. I'll say it again: Starfield had better be good. I think pretty much everyone has one foot out the door by now.
Re: Roundup: Here's What The Critics Think Of Redfall On Xbox Game Pass
A few hours in here, and if there is a silver lining, it's the gavt that this game has highlighted exactly what the problem is at Microsoft: their quality control is abysmal. They have had years to look at this game and see it wasn't coming together properly, to either cancel it or push it out, or of nothing else to ensure that these fairly obvious problems are ironed out. We know they knew that the game wasn't very good because of the review embargo (usually the sign of a bad game). Whoever is responsible for making sure games under the Microsoft umbrella come out ON TIME and more importantly in good shape, is stealing money at this point.
All I can say is that Starfield better be good...
Re: Redfall Is Available Today With Xbox Game Pass (May 2)
I've played a few hours and the word that keeps coming to mind is "rushed". It feels like this project was pushed because Arkane felt it could be profitable, but it needed more time, even with the delays. I saw someone compare it to Fallout 76, which is fair, because I do expect there to be several extensive patches made for Redfall. It's probably a 6/10 right now but many of the shortcomings seem fixable, honestly. A patch could add more enemies, possibly make them more aware of you (they often just stare at you for a few seconds before reacting), some graphical polish, etc. There's a pretty good game in there somewhere, but this is a bad look right now. Microsoft needed a win here, especially after Benedict Fox. All I can say is that Starfield had better be great...
Re: Gears Of War Voice Actor 'Hasn't Heard Anything' About Gears 6
Is this the part where I faint from shock? Lol finding out that a 1st party Xbox game is possibly many years away from completion is no surprise.
Re: Rumour: Xbox Games Showcase 2023 Runtime Revealed By Microsoft Leaker
What am I hoping to see?
Release dates they actually stick to?
Release dates, period?
Actual game play?
Updates on games they announced YEARS ago and haven't mentioned since?
So...the usual 🙄
Re: Fantasy FPS 'The Explorator' Steals The Show At Xbox Indie Event
"So whaddya think?"
"Looks amazing actually. We'll put it on Xbox on ONE condition: you're not allowed to actually announce a release date. "
"Why not?!"
"It's just how things work around here. In fact it'd be great if you announce the game, then disappear for like 2 years, then come back, ANNOUNCE a release date, then delay it a couple times. REALLY piss the gamers off. We hate them SO MUCH....."
Re: Talking Point: What Do You Want To See Most From The Xbox Games Showcase 2023?
@ParsnipHero if I never see another game announced 7 years early it'll be too soon lol
Re: Talking Point: What Do You Want To See Most From The Xbox Games Showcase 2023?
I want to see games that are coming out in the ensuing year.....
....and then actually (stay with me here) HAVE THEM COME OUT. ON TIME. IN GOOD SHAPE.
I'm a dreamer I know 😆
Re: Xbox Games Showcase 2023 Will Officially Take Place On June 11th
@abe_hikura remember the 2019 trailer-fest? How many of those games even have RELEASE DATES?
Re: Xbox Games Showcase 2023 Will Officially Take Place On June 11th
A whole hour of game announcements for games that will be released in 2027 lmao
Re: Xbox Games Showcase 2023 Will Officially Take Place On June 11th
The good news is that the showcase will be full of upcoming games.
Because that's the only kind of game Microsoft ever talks about. Games that are upcoming.
Soon.
They promise.
You know, seriously they ARE coming.
At some point.
Eventually.
Maybe in the next 12 months.
Re: Starfield Is Launching On Xbox This September, Developer Direct Arriving In June
@Clankylad @nofriendo and it's weird because NOBODY really wants to hear about a game 7 years before it's done lol
Re: Starfield Is Launching On Xbox This September, Developer Direct Arriving In June
@Wheatly INCREDIBLE. Someday, the incredible inability of Microsoft to release ANYTHING on time ever, will be the subject of a documentary lol, it is mind-blowing.
Re: Forza Motorsport Developer Update Hints At Post-Launch DLC Plans
There's something SO weird about a developer announcing post launch DLC for a game that they haven't even been able to tell us a release date for. and then telling us they'll give us more details. but not telling us when. just...in the future someday. like the main game lol
Re: Rumour: Fable Reboot Is 'Miles Away' While Xbox Focuses On Hellblade 2 And Avowed
We have to start using a word that I know a lot of fans don't want to use: incompetence. Microsoft's baffling inability to get really ANYTHING out the door in a reasonable amount of time is just...incompetence at this point. Yes Sony has made great games for decades, but I'm sorry, Microsoft has beaten themselves far more than anything.
Re: Rumour: Fable Reboot Is 'Miles Away' While Xbox Focuses On Hellblade 2 And Avowed
@Meehanuk_1987 I'm right there with you lol. As soon as I'm done with Hogwarts Legacy, I'm out, I think. It's mind boggling how much trouble this company has getting games out the door. they have more money than they know what to do with, but can't get anything finished, ever.
Re: Bethesda Is 'Still Sorting Stuff Out' For Xbox's Upcoming Starfield Showcase
...........they can't even manage to get the SHOWCASE ready.
Re: Xbox Game Pass Is Getting 'Final Fantasy 7' Content, In The Form Of PowerWash Sim DLC
@Chaudy th is is how they're justifying charging $200 dollars for it lol
Re: Rumour: Gears 6 Development Has 'Begun In Full' Within The Last Year
@Grumblevolcano they should at LEAST let you choose which storyline you want to follow.
Re: Rumour: Gears 6 Development Has 'Begun In Full' Within The Last Year
Great! Factoring in vague teaser trailers,.reports of troubled development, and two delays, we should be playing this by 2031 or so...
Re: Xbox Exec Wants Fans To Keep Developer_Direct Expectations In Check
@stvevan it's not just Phil. Xbox has been poorly managed for most of its existence.
Re: Xbox Exec Wants Fans To Keep Developer_Direct Expectations In Check
Anyone else notice that some Xbox executive says this before EVERY EVENT? I'll say it again:
This had better be good.
Re: Soapbox: January's Developer_Direct Could Be The Start Of Something Big For Xbox
Everything is always coming soon. Just you wait, just be patient ,we have so much to show you at a later date, wait til next year....
They'd better nail Wednesday, or this is going to be the longest, shortest generation.....since last generation.
Re: Soapbox: January's Developer_Direct Could Be The Start Of Something Big For Xbox
They had better bring release dates. Time is running out.
Re: Konami Is Open To More 'Silent Hill' Pitches After Announcing PS5-Exclusive Remake
Um....no because it's good business when Sony buys exclusive content.
Re: 'Quantum Break' Actor Gets Behind Fan Requests For A Potential Sequel
I've been saying for years: take away the silly tv show bits, and this was a GREAT game.
Re: Talking Point: Are Games Announced Too Far In Advance?
Ya think??
Microsoft is the single worst offender in this regard. Take a page from Nintendo: announce games when they're nearly done, it'll save a lot of headaches. The one time they didn't do that was Metroid Prime 4 but generally they're GREAT at this
Re: Xbox Fans Are Still Hoping For A 'Showcase' Event Later This Month
This is going to be a fascinating year. It's either the year that the floodgates open actual 1st party games hit the shelf, or it could legitimately be the year Xbox goes over the cliff...
Re: Xbox Game Pass Adventure 'Wo Long: Fallen Dynasty' Continues To Impress In Latest Preview
@TheCrafter1578 no, I agree completely. I played Elden Ring for nearly 100 hours because I found out how to over-level my character, which made the game about as difficult as an average game. I don't like these games otherwise and I'm really sick of almost every game being a soulslike. These are the people who made Nioh, one of the most ridiculous my over difficult games I've ever played. I quit after an hour lol
Re: Xbox Studio Ninja Theory Hints At More Hellblade 2 Info 'In The New Year'
@NeoRatt 100% agree. Microsoft has a terrible habit of announcing games FAR too early. Part of it is probably because they literally weren't working on ANYTHING for several years, but man is it annoying.
Re: Xbox Studio Ninja Theory Hints At More Hellblade 2 Info 'In The New Year'
How long do these studios think that teasing and promising to show stuff someday is going to work? How can they be SO tone deaf as to not understand that Xbox owners might be a LITTLE sick and tired of teases and promises?
Re: Xbox Fans Want To Know What's Going On With Square Enix In 2023
@jordan1992 ....so, excluding an entire platform equals MORE sales? Does that sound right to you?
Re: 10 Random 'Gamers' Are Suing Microsoft Over The Activision Blizzard Deal
@Cyberpsycho if they walk away, Activision would almost certainly sue them.
Re: Here Are The Top 10 Xbox Games Of 2022 According To Metacritic
For a console with no games, my backlog is a monster lol
Re: Talking Point: What January 2023 Xbox Games With Gold Do You Want?
I usually ignore this every month buuuut......Renegade Ops and the Dishwasher. This would be a great time to add some forgotten but awesome games from the old XBLA days. Throw in Bastion too while you're at it lol
Re: Another Nine Games Will Leave Xbox Game Pass Soon (December 31)
I can't recommend Scarlet Nexus highly enough, it's fantastic and severely underrated.
Re: Microsoft Refers To Lack Of Xbox Exclusives As Why ActiBlizz Deal Should Be Approved
That works out to less than 3 exclusives a year.
Yikes.
Re: Hey Microsoft, Could We Please Get Our Xbox 'Year In Review' Stats For 2022?
I got you.
Elden Ring was really good, Microsoft released absolutely nothing,
Phil Spencer sat at the Game Awards like a kid who knew he hadn't done his homework and hoped he wouldn't get called out.
He got called out.
Xbox is still trying to buy Activision, but Sony is literally like, "hey no fair, then they might start competing with us!"
The FTC said, "actually that's true, see you in court!"
Xbox super pinkie swears they will release a bunch of games next year, they really mean it this time [Copied and Pasted from 2021, 2020, 2019].
You're welcome.
Re: Poll: What Is Your Xbox Game Of The Year For 2022?
I bought elden ring near launch and bounced off of it almost immediately (I'm terrible at those games). In September I happened across a video teaching me how to quickly raise my level early on. I re- specced my character and started over. I LOVE this game now, easily my game of the year, just took a little while lol
Re: Talking Point: Should Xbox Start Doing Its Own 'Nintendo Direct' Style Showcases?
No. Just no.
Not if it's just going to be them showing trailers for games that are years and years away, have no solid release date at ALL, or don't even have a solid genre nailed down (I'm looking at YOU, Everwild). I don't need more promises of games that are going to come out someday lol
Re: Xbox Fans Left Disappointed With Lack Of First-Party Reveals At The Game Awards 2022
@fox99 look, we can be salty and bash Sony if it makes us feel better, but the gact is, the games you noted got released. On time. And were well received. Ask yourself what you get out of defending Microsoft? I love my xbox but I've had it lol