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@themightyant CoD on GP at the cost of more expensive console/accessories, GP went up, game prices went up. Xbox only players haven’t had the best reward for it!

Gamepass is a tricky one.

It’s good for consumers currently.

Is it always good for devs? Probably not always. - especially as an indie if you don’t get on GP.

GP is ‘profitable’ in the sense that Microsoft shows. Because it certainly doesn’t include costs such as advertising the big games, the development costs will come out of different budgets etc.

So yes Gamepass as a product in itself is highly likely to be profitable, but take in other areas of Xbox overall and it probably isn’t (or very low profit).

If it was super profitable and growing then games wouldn’t be releasing elsewhere, charge for day 1 etc.

@SeaDaVie revenue will be up because everything costs more. So you can sell less and still make more.

Xbox recently had record revenue too. But they still laid off staff, and increased prices of everything bar GP

Id love to know what these unrealistic targets actually are.

During ABK they wanted 100m GP subscribers by 2030 and that’s looking unlikely.

But one insider saying it’s unrealistic and one saying it’s reality, surely then shows the targets are there? Just one thinking it’s unrealistic to get it and one saying it’s real?

@Lup one of the more high profile ones of recent would be the crew

Sometimes it’s just better to say nothing.

This is definitely one of those times.

@FraserG thanks for the update!

Is there any more news on the contraband trailer being taken down? What it means for avalanche? Or the rumours of undead labs being affected too?

@BAMozzy this the same Matt booty who had openly said he had played builds of the game and it was looking good a year ago?

Sounds like he knew where the game was.

But of course you wouldn’t just wildly make things up to the contrary to defend MS now eh?

@Kaloudz looks like it’s ending up in them closing

Should have been there day 1.

Let’s see if those that wanted it buy it

@Titntin oh ***** yeah I was thinking concord.

I’m just saying it’s only fair to say that Sony do close games even when announced.

@Millionski to be fair there is the bungee one that’s been ‘delayed indefinitely’ - probably canned and marathon.

Wasn’t Matt Booty saying he had played builds of perfect Dark and it was good and excited for people to see it?

So it had to be a decent way into development.

Or he was *****

If I remember right Booty was also playing builds of Perfect Dark a year ago.

So let’s hope that we see something about the game soon as SoD2 was decent

@Kaloudz it’s ok to criticise when criticism is due.

You don’t have to defend every choice

It’s hilarious that even on a day like the usual posters still won’t give MS the actual criticism it deserves when it’s warranted.

Still have to defend them no matter what!

Once the next gen console has come and gone so roughly 24months for launch… 6month post that.

They aren’t going to announce it this early.

But Phil will be what 60ish? Led Xbox for a while so you can imagine retirement is in the thinking ynderstanably

And still on days like this the same people can’t actually criticise MS when it is fully valid and deserved.

Perfect dark gone too,

@Kaloudz rumours are Everwild at rare has been cancelled and job losses at Rare.

@dodgykebaab yes it’s going up. Made record revenue recently and that’s all that matters

@Exerion76 makes more money now than it did then.

That is all that matters

So long as the line keeps going up eh?

Good luck to those who lose their jobs.

Id love to know who the target market this is for.

It’s not for casuals. Because of the likely price. Unless rumours were wrong and MS subside it.

The whole market is what 6million and not growing at a substantial pace.

It’s all so MS can say they have more users etc etc to look better in investor meetings.

@Raccoonius guarantee it was an auto correct. Hardly the worst mistake in the world

@Kaloudz it’s never going to do anything ‘new’ that’s track racers for you.

But there’s very few of these type of games out there so it’s certainly worth Xbox keeping it around.

Well they did say they were looking at Europe for distribution so good chance studios be affected over this way.

Unfortunately FM missed the mark this time round, but MS don’t have any other game like this so it would be a shame if it closes/job losses

@Millionski nobody in their right mind would claim them to be similar.

They both offer different perspectives of a sub service. Both have value and both have a place.

How did you come to the conclusion that it’s become more like gamepass. Even including what was actually said.

Pretty sure the no plans to offer day 1 titles is massively different to the selling point of gamepass.

@Kaloudz funny as you say everyone who is criticising MS for layoffs are always full of doom and gloom.

Yet the same handful that defend whatever MS do are guess what here defending MS again.

It is ok to be critical. And have a more rounded view of everything. MS don’t need you to defend them 24/7.

@Titntin apparently pretty much Xbox only players don’t really want it reading these commemts

These things should be a turn on rather than a turn off.

You have awesome things like quick resume then silly things like this added and adverts.

@General-Foley the ally is going to be £550-600 for lower one and £900ish for the higher spec. (If I remember right)

I worry that this PC hybrid is going to be north of £1k

It certainly is interesting and exciting (of what it could be) as someone into the hobby. but the devil will always be the price of this.

Because who is it for if it’s a ‘PC lite.’ PC players are unlikely to change over.

PS players are ingrained into the eco system now.

Are casuals going to want a mini PC? Rather than a ‘plug and go ps6’ (assuming it is? Especially as MS games are on PS.

And then potentially compete with themselves with a handheld too?

Lots of questions but a lot could change in the next what 28momths?

Be interesting to see what appears.

I just hope they go for one console spec. I think going for two would be confusing.

If there’s a new horizon then I hope it doesn’t just throw cars at you from the off. I’d like it to be a little more rewarding.

Ah excellent a praising article until you say it’s not worth the price.

Let’s stop giving developers any easy way out. Call it what it is game is a mess.

Let’s not encourage more devs to get away with releasing games in this state eh?

@Kaloudz @Coletrain as always there’s excuses for people not supporting it. Then they wonder why square take the money Sony offers them.

All people often say is it’s great SE are going to support Xbox. Looking forward to FF etc.

Then it transpires that unless it’s on Game it doesn’t actually sell

@Coletrain considering SE thought 3million in the first week was bad over on PS5. Then 22000 isn’t really worth their time or effort.

@Ricky-Spanish it certainly is.

Forza did well, gears will do well as will halo.

The £40-50 or whatever it costs will certainly help too!

@Weebleman I’ve been saying a first party GP sub is coming to PS/nintendo for a long time now.

And it makes financial sense for all parties.

Sony will never allow a ‘full’ GP as they would lose too much from 3rd party sales/own services.

@Fiendish-Beaver since everyone keeps saying it’s great for Xbox gamers with sales on ps5, they need to look into what it’s actually given them so far:

Increased console prices
Increased game prices
(Rumour) increased GP prices

Hell I even saw an advert on tv here for FH5 on ps5! They don’t even advertise for their own ecosystem.

So far Xbox only gamers have got nothing in return. MS shareholders? Plenty and will get plenty more,

@LogicStrikesAgain it’s ok you can’t criticise anything MS does or question it. Phil could take a dump on the floor and the same few would defend it.

Considering CoD and other games are still releasing on ps4/xbo at the end of this year I think at best it would be very late 27’

Of course there is a price increase coming. Especially now the game price has been announced.

I reckon a couple of £ extra a month. And then Sony will follow suit

@Weebleman don’t be talking sense!

Dev is essentially saying MS is now paying less for games on GP (I’d assume this is because more smaller games want to get on GP)

And not only are they paying less, but where they would make money on dlc, gamers aren’t buying it as much as previously.

It’s a pretty fair thing to point out imo. And as you say this is so MS can keep it as good value for us gamers.

Teaming up with 3rd parties saves MS huge sums of money. Especially when outside of Nintendo handhelds aren’t hugely popular.

But yeah if MS can make enough money elsewhere they will drop out of console business - unless they can magically increase sales.

It’s too expensive with all the research, production costs to sell a relatively low amount (console wise) and at a loss.

They are only sticking with it because currently it is a driver of gamepass. If they can move gamepass subs to PC/tv (or wherever) they have no need for a console. Hence the play anywhere push etc,

@Kaloudz you are assuming they did QA.

The biggest issue is ‘gamers’ pre ordering. - especially digital as it’s not going to sell out - It means the devs can do this and others can copy

Also surprised on clockwork not being on there.

Can only assume it’s because not the first time shown? Or because it was quite an extensive trailer so most remember it?