@Millionski not on the same scale but bungie says hi!

It’s not a mistake for overall revenue especially including king. But it didn’t give Xbox the shot in the arm they expected

@BacklogBrad pissing in the wind trying to have a rational discussion with some

Didn’t watch the Nintendo one.

But I think the other 3 were all good quality. All pretty much on par for me with plenty of good games across the board.

It’s a little bit worrying that the ENTIRE gaming community (apart from those that would defend anything MS did) knew this would happen - yet execs paid millions still didn’t click on and that MS still went ahead with it. Was absolute madness. They had no choice but to reduce it to a more reasonable figure.

They still won’t fully recover those subs with no CoD included.

One thing it also shows is that be it Sony/Ms or whoever gamers are choosing their limits on this hobby as we have now had pushback against £80 games and high subscription prices and high console prices as both are now not selling in big numbers.

Could have sent a much stronger message (and been honest) - ‘ we heard your voice, we listened, we pulled E-day from other consoles’

But instead we get more mixed messaging.

@Weebleman I think gears will eventually find its way. If it’s basically complete for PS they may as well at some point.

But for now Asha has managed to appease the Twitter Die hards so looks good, until the change course again

@Deshalu then with that argument one would imagine the same for gears of war considering that it got an age rating for PS?!

Wonder how the uproar about AI will go for crazy taxi.

Hey look more PR talk. Because why would you then give PS5 Spyro and Senua and SoD3(maybe you can argue as multiplayer here). And halo has multiplayer?

Fable is single player and still announced and I guess this signifies that FH6 will be going over as it’s multiplayer too.

I genuinely don’t think that MS don’t fully know what they want to do currently. Maybe helix can be called Xbox180?

Im in a lucky personal position where I own multiple systems but not everyone is

@Millionski but E day was already announced (rated) and reversed. They could have done it with every single one if they wanted. - especially more so with the new announcements like spyro Senua SoD3 etc.

It just doesn’t make sense. Gears has been rated its there and ready to go. But then shelved.

Whereas SoD3, Spyro, Senus and Clockwork were never announced for ps5 but then 3 of 4 were.

It’s just more confusing than it was 4hours ago.

B/B+ what was shown looked quality.

But there was no big new reveal in there. No teaser. P6 one was a bit meh

I enjoy the world of dune but this game just doesn’t seem to want to scratch that itch.

I like it when it works. Think it’s a fantastic addition. There’s just too many games that don’t work on it.

Xbox went up, ps5 went up, Nintendo went up, steamdeck went up - only a matter of time till the others follow.

So now we are trusting Alinea? Who make numbers up based on number of reviews?

Fantastic game, but it’s not reinventing the wheel or doing anything amazing for me. Certainly deserving of its 90+ rating - but I wish it had taken some more risks.

For me so far this year it’s Crimson Desert. There’s just so much in there. Even with its flaws.

@Sol4ris yes it was a little tongue in cheek. But it is often something that is said (like you say as it is in PS then they buy them
Anyway!)

But you can see the irony here that people are having a little dig at Sony for doing it when the recent poll has shown that Xbox gamers want MS to do.

Personally I’m in a lucky position where I have access to all - even a steamdeck now too - so exclusivity doesn’t massively impact me.

Is it the right move for them? Possibly, the ports just haven’t sold on PC. So what are they losing? Very little. They either had to try day 1 release or stop them.

They are still releasing live service ***** on there too no? And luckily as everyone constantly states on here they don’t like the Sony single player games anyway.

It’s funny that many find this stance bad. When the number 1 change Xbox players want is exclusives back.

But Sony have an advantage that their exclusives are targeting 90million players whereas Xbox targets 40million or so. Hence why one wants full exclusives and why one will release on PC and elsewhere.

Completely expected score. FH always turns out good

Looking forward to diving in and playing.

I think they will have the same price issue. It’s just the world at the moment, MS aren’t immune to the cost of RAM etc etc. if you think otherwise then you aren’t being truthful.

Pushing it out too early and at an expensive price isn’t going to help - especially as they’ve previously announced it’s going to be ‘premium’. It’s extremely tricky situation to be in.

Call me stupid. But what’s the point?

I dont see the logic of putting this on the case (and making them look worse).

@BacklogBrad starfield was being hyped up as game of the decade. Skyrim in space. So people bought it in expectation and knowing to a degree what they would get from a Bethesda game.

Pragmata is totally different to anything capcom has out there. With a mechanic in the fights that may well have put plenty off.

What’s the point? Day 1 is no longer the best way to play.

6 months later you have all the patches, more content added and it’s generally cheaper.

It’s the same with GP/Plus. Why buy a game for 70 that’s buggy but 6-12months later it’s on one of the sub services?

For your 70 you can potentially get 2 or 3 solid games in a sale (or more depending how long you wait)

Obviously I say this a little tongue in cheek… but isn’t helix more a pc and not a console…

Original was full of bugs. Remaster was released in an absolute state. It only got good reviews because it was a ‘shadow drop’.

But it’s Bethesda. Issues with Starfield at launch that still persist on the ps5 launch 2-3years later.

I’ve always said in the past the issues that stopped MS getting top quality scores on 1st party games was the QA and polishing (remember Phil saying they had redfall scoring double digits higher in all metrics) but recently they have got these high scores like Indiana jones because the games release well.

It’s time now for MS to get Bethesda under some sort of quality control as it’s been in their stable long enough now

@AI-Generation because there’s little benefit for devs (outside of first party) to push that 15% for the X. Which will have sold 20m at best.

@dskatter im going to do similar.

Upgrade from premium to ultimate for a month and play it on the S.

Assuming I enjoy it im then going to
Double dip on ps5 (not because I don’t want it on Xbox but I think it will look/run better on pa5 than the S)

I think 89-91.

Even if it got 93+ I don’t believe it would win GoTY. Driving games just tend not to.

It’s not for me, but hopefully it has success amongst those who want to play.

It was obviously back tracked due to the drop off from the price rise (honestly premium became really good value) and the fact CoD sales tanked.

But it’s good news non the less.

It’s staying multiplatform. It’s not changing.

Simply put if sales of 35mil consoles still meant you had to release on ps5 - then a high end Helix console is going to sell far less (that’s just the reality) the games will need to be multiplatform to justify the production costs.

Seies S £180. (Call it £230 with the bigger storage) I paid £180 on Amazon a few years ago and was worth the price.

I think £400 for the X would be a good price.

But this means nothing unless MS make them readily available everywhere.

@Questionable_Duck but the games aren’t selling in huge numbers in general, some are, some not.

Call it £10 a month, Sony would probably get £2-3 of that anyway. Theres enough games in the Xbox portfolio to make it work. Just don’t include new CoD releases.

Lololol I’ve been talking about this for years.

They will be able to release it on PS and potentially Nintendo too.

Isn’t this company notoriously unreliable? And has been proven so in the past?

That aside, it’s years old at this point, it’s beset with problems on PS to the point Sony have refunded people (and we all know they hate doing that!)

@themightyant yeah I see it as exactly this. Everyone will get carried away about it meaning other things when it doesn’t.

Since the price increase (unless you had it stacked) Premium appears to be the best value so far. Obviously this will change a little once the ‘big’ first party games start dropping.

I hope it still releases this year, but if it doesn’t I hope they use their time wisely to iron out any issues etc

Unsurprising as it’s struggled on the ps5/X. Although improving, the devs do seem to be genuinely putting plenty of effort in to improve etc

I enjoyed the second one - so looking forward to seeing what happens with this one, still sounds a year or so away

Id played most via ps sub, so it wasn’t great for me and I don’t play Fortnite so it all factored into me dropping to premium

@IOI funnily enough everything I’ve seen is slating Sony, exactly like ms got at the time and what both deserved. Neither are our friends!

Ridiculous increase by Sony. They sell enough to absorb at least part of that - especially as they were reported to be making a profit on each console a while back.

But honestly I expected helix to be £999 now I’m thinking it may be £1200.

Gaming is fast becoming unaffordable for many.

@Weebleman I’ve said this myself for a long time. It’s obvious Sony wouldn’t let a full GP on with 3rd party, because that would reduce sales, but GP for 1st party makes sense. For both companies really.

The problem it always had outside the obvious is that streaming just isn’t there yet and won’t be for many for a long time. So XYZ might be an Xbox, but it won’t actually play anything like an Xbox.

Some strong games were released and more notable for me was majority shipped in a strong state say 1, where often they would lack a little QA and final polish. Seems this is being rectified.

All they needed to do 6 months or so ago was increase GPU to £18 with no extras.

It would have been received much better.

So USA only? And for a small handful of people? But everyone raving.

But screw everyone else who isn’t offered this deal right! Everyone should have access to the same deal.