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@Kaloudz probably in the next showcase. Gears this one, Halo at end of year is my guess.

Remaster version comes this year.

New one comes next year day and date on ps5.

The exact same as is happening with gears.

@Kraven and people buying car crashes of games are the reason why some devs can get away with releasing broken messes.

@somnambulance I’ve just voted and thought exactly the same. Was actually struggling to find a 5th.

If it’s £800 you may as well get a combination of -

Steam deck, S2 and PS5 and have all the choices.

How excited will you be when it comes out around £6-700? As other Ally handhelds are? I can’t see MS subsiding it like they would if it was their own product.

As always the price is going to be the issue.

@Ricky-Spanish @Kaloudz

Sorry but we know it’s coming!

I guess now the game price has risen they have the ‘justification’ to increase GP price.

It was ok. There was some quality in there.

But outside of what we knew - what was really in the show that was a ‘banger’? Mudang maybe? The game freak one?

I dunno the show was a bit meh? I’m not sure how to put my finger on it? I said elsewhere ironically it felt more like a state of play than a ‘showcase’.

Compared to MS last few it was weaker compared to SGF it was better - and perhaps for a change, ever so slightly weaker than Sony effort.

And as far as the headline/article is concerned please let’s not go down the NEXT YEAR WILL BE THE YEAR route.

Yeah it’s going to be expensive isn’t it.

@Kaloudz I guessed £5-600 but I believe the current Rog is a fair bit higher than that - so I think it’s going to price many out

The non gameplay at the start had my interest waning, but the gameplay looked more for me. So looking forward to it.

C for me. I wasn’t interested in much - a lot of dlc and time spent on the MMO. And a lot was already known - ironically it felt more like a state of play.

Clockwork has me interested after it showed the game play. And mudang was it? Interesting too.

Obviously I’m multi platform so already done FF - but if you are Xbox only that’s good news!

No real new big banger announcement from MS either.

It will be the best show of the 3.

I think we will see games announced for S2 day 1 alongside PS etc.

The gears remake, potentially something about halo going to other consoles and DLC for Indy and I also think there will be something for Forza motorsport (seems to have been largely forgotten) potentially a tease of a new Forza horizon

Looking forward to trying wuchang.

I don’t know why but I think it’s going to be a let down and be really average

It was poor.

Xbox will have the best showcase of the 3

Pretty sure they were quite upfront with it -

But the internet and sites like here and push jumped onto it making it out as something it wasn’t.

So can’t blame cdpr, it’s all come from elsewhere.

@Jenkinss because if it wasn’t due to the limitations of the devs - remember this is their first full game - then why did MS allow the discourse around them struggling with the series S?

They would have flat out denied it because it hurts the brand. And they didn’t.

Good to see people are more interested in it being timed exclusive or not rather than the actual game.

And how many games actually release on another console on the EXACT date a timed exclusivity is up? Pretty much none.

@awp69 when the article went live it was missing a few games that were since added.

@Lup it said ps+pc.

No FF tactics?

Thought square was going more 3rd party? Or just not with FF?

There’s room for both.

There’s going to be a limit of what casuals are willing to pay for subscriptions and games.

Game costs are also going up, so there will be a limit MS/Sony are willing to pay to get games on there.

If subscription become the main - then all we will see is like TV, each publisher will have their own, and it would dilute the value for customers,

MS are realising they are making good (and growing) revenue/profit even with hardware struggling - so they can keep making money without expensive hardware.

And this is all before they release on s2 which will boost revenue more.

The fact it’s co op has me not interested.

However it will still be a good game and will be well received by those who play it I reckon.

None on any system. I’m happy to wait.

Last day 1 I bought was wilds and I only paid £49 for it.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, MS need better quality control.

There always feels like there are a lot of little niggles and issues that should have been picked up on and ironed out.

Now it’s certainly improving in recent releases (Indy in particular) so hopefully that continues

I don’t go out of my way anymore. It’s simply not worth the hassle. I just accrue what I accrue.

To earn enough ‘free’ points by farming them now takes significantly longer than my free time is worth. I’d rather be playing games with my time or doing something else.

Takes several hours to earn those ‘free’ points for GPU. It works out far less than minimum wage!

Yep had my moneys worth and some.

Be giving it a go when I finish e33.

But I’ve not gamed as much recently. So maybe in a few weeks

@Kaloudz it’s not a hard comparison at all though.

It’s literally there in black and white. A regular version of the series X with a slightly bigger hard drive is currently more expensive than a ps5 pro. And what about when the (ASU’s) handheld console comes out more expensive than a series X?

There is all the sales happening on PS and switch to come, everyone saying that it’s going to be great for Xbox players, when in reality all they have got so far in return is more expensive games and hardware. Directly after announcing record revenue.

I know that you are one of Xbox biggest cheerleaders, but sometimes a bad decision can be criticised.

Gamepass is great no doubt. No argument.

But the barrier to entry is getting more expensive - consoles going up, next gen a potential ‘mini pc’, the handheld looking to be £500.

Casuals won’t pay that. People will roll back on a second console. It’s £500 then £240 a year to rent games (and probably going up). Because they aren’t doing conversions/points/3rd party sites.

So many current aren’t paying the £15 a month and as conversion/points are being lowered. People will start questioning another subscription cost (again it’s still great value) in this economy

This is why MS want cloud, play anywhere because then they do away with expensive loss leader consoles. Everyone has GP on tv instead. But infrastructure isn’t there.

So MS is stuck in a middle ground - if you already have an Xbox library, it’s awesome. But if not it’s a bit meh. I still believe that a GP light will hit Sony/nintendo systems.

Flight sim halo and starfield. Think it may be another good few months till avowed.

But let’s be real they are all ending up there eventually and all will sell good. so doesn’t really matter what goes when.

Series X/ps5 will run good.

I’m not so sure about how the S will do, what hits it will have to take

£17.99 is my guess.

And then I feel we may start getting 2 smaller increases a year.

If prices do go up I’d like to see MS offer year long subs.

It’s too late for the series consoles now to even have a late ‘flurry’.

Bigger issues - what does this mean for the price of the future handhelds? Is it going to be able to compete with switch2 price? (The Asus one was already looking to be $600ish)

The fact trump will still be president in 27-28, will it delay the release of next gen? Considering that production is outside of the US.

The price rises (across all 3) make it less appealing to own multiple consoles, especially if you are more casual.

This is why I hate the metric of X many players have played the game. Because everything behind it always shows that a vast majority don’t play for long and counts a player.

That aside e33 is very very good, and deserves all its praise.

@Toot1st there was coverage. And they were criticised.

And guess what, when they raise console prices and games again they will be criticised.

As they rightly should be.

@jesse_dylan and people do all kinds of mental gymnastics to protect the multi trillion dollar company, that posted record revenue the day before a price hike. An 18%+ price rise.

There’s a time and place usually. There’s nothing wrong with valid criticism.

@Kaloudz ah yes. The day after posting record revenue.

Increase hardware prices, when sales are dropping. Increase game prices once you get a good cadence.

I mean I know you love MS but honestly it’s fine to criticise when it’s due. It doesn’t make someone like them any less.

@OldGamer999 because the US is the biggest market. The one where they are relatively competitive in the console space too.

The sales In most of Europe are very low, so the impact on sales is probably negligible.

@donv2135 mate, come on, you do realise it’s ok to criticise a company that are increasing prices by around 20%, not only are they increasing prices, but they are doing it the day after posting huge profits and revenue growth.

It’s nothing to do with ‘Xbox tax’. It’s about major price increases. Nintendo got the same when they announced $80 games, and Sony will when they follow suit after Ghost of Yotei

@OldGamer999 I don’t think it will go up a crazy amount, I think ultimate will be £17.99 so a £3 increase.

But we might start getting 2 small increases a year rather than 1.

Subscription prices are going to rise also.

They are already trying to monetise subscription more and more with ‘early access’. And you can guarantee more ways will come. Probably via ads.

GP is great value currently. Will it always be? Who knows.

And let’s assume you are a regular casual consumer, parent for your kid. You won’t know about loopholes. So is a $700 console to rent games on a monthly subscription a good deal?

@Rog-X kinda already started with that so pointless to mention it!

To raise prices after recording huge profits is abit galling and doesn’t look very good. People here will obviously try and justify a 20% (approx) increase.

Sony will soon follow suit on game prices.

Expect GP to rise in June/july.

Edit - just realised a 2tb X is more than a Pro? That’s just mad.

@fatpunkslim

Just so you are aware it was just PC gamepass that grew an impressive 45% not gp as a whole.

Also -6% ontop of a -29% isn’t an improvement, it’s still a loss.

The path they have chosen is certainly going to make them some big money.

Smaller devs are realising that the money they receive upfront from MS probably outweighs any sales on the platform.

And hopefully word of mouth from GP players encourage sales on other platforms.