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@Kaloudz it’s not a hard comparison at all though.

It’s literally there in black and white. A regular version of the series X with a slightly bigger hard drive is currently more expensive than a ps5 pro. And what about when the (ASU’s) handheld console comes out more expensive than a series X?

There is all the sales happening on PS and switch to come, everyone saying that it’s going to be great for Xbox players, when in reality all they have got so far in return is more expensive games and hardware. Directly after announcing record revenue.

I know that you are one of Xbox biggest cheerleaders, but sometimes a bad decision can be criticised.

Gamepass is great no doubt. No argument.

But the barrier to entry is getting more expensive - consoles going up, next gen a potential ‘mini pc’, the handheld looking to be £500.

Casuals won’t pay that. People will roll back on a second console. It’s £500 then £240 a year to rent games (and probably going up). Because they aren’t doing conversions/points/3rd party sites.

So many current aren’t paying the £15 a month and as conversion/points are being lowered. People will start questioning another subscription cost (again it’s still great value) in this economy

This is why MS want cloud, play anywhere because then they do away with expensive loss leader consoles. Everyone has GP on tv instead. But infrastructure isn’t there.

So MS is stuck in a middle ground - if you already have an Xbox library, it’s awesome. But if not it’s a bit meh. I still believe that a GP light will hit Sony/nintendo systems.

Flight sim halo and starfield. Think it may be another good few months till avowed.

But let’s be real they are all ending up there eventually and all will sell good. so doesn’t really matter what goes when.

Series X/ps5 will run good.

I’m not so sure about how the S will do, what hits it will have to take

£17.99 is my guess.

And then I feel we may start getting 2 smaller increases a year.

If prices do go up I’d like to see MS offer year long subs.

It’s too late for the series consoles now to even have a late ‘flurry’.

Bigger issues - what does this mean for the price of the future handhelds? Is it going to be able to compete with switch2 price? (The Asus one was already looking to be $600ish)

The fact trump will still be president in 27-28, will it delay the release of next gen? Considering that production is outside of the US.

The price rises (across all 3) make it less appealing to own multiple consoles, especially if you are more casual.

This is why I hate the metric of X many players have played the game. Because everything behind it always shows that a vast majority don’t play for long and counts a player.

That aside e33 is very very good, and deserves all its praise.

@Toot1st there was coverage. And they were criticised.

And guess what, when they raise console prices and games again they will be criticised.

As they rightly should be.

@jesse_dylan and people do all kinds of mental gymnastics to protect the multi trillion dollar company, that posted record revenue the day before a price hike. An 18%+ price rise.

There’s a time and place usually. There’s nothing wrong with valid criticism.

@Kaloudz ah yes. The day after posting record revenue.

Increase hardware prices, when sales are dropping. Increase game prices once you get a good cadence.

I mean I know you love MS but honestly it’s fine to criticise when it’s due. It doesn’t make someone like them any less.

@OldGamer999 because the US is the biggest market. The one where they are relatively competitive in the console space too.

The sales In most of Europe are very low, so the impact on sales is probably negligible.

@donv2135 mate, come on, you do realise it’s ok to criticise a company that are increasing prices by around 20%, not only are they increasing prices, but they are doing it the day after posting huge profits and revenue growth.

It’s nothing to do with ‘Xbox tax’. It’s about major price increases. Nintendo got the same when they announced $80 games, and Sony will when they follow suit after Ghost of Yotei

@OldGamer999 I don’t think it will go up a crazy amount, I think ultimate will be £17.99 so a £3 increase.

But we might start getting 2 small increases a year rather than 1.

Subscription prices are going to rise also.

They are already trying to monetise subscription more and more with ‘early access’. And you can guarantee more ways will come. Probably via ads.

GP is great value currently. Will it always be? Who knows.

And let’s assume you are a regular casual consumer, parent for your kid. You won’t know about loopholes. So is a $700 console to rent games on a monthly subscription a good deal?

@Rog-X kinda already started with that so pointless to mention it!

To raise prices after recording huge profits is abit galling and doesn’t look very good. People here will obviously try and justify a 20% (approx) increase.

Sony will soon follow suit on game prices.

Expect GP to rise in June/july.

Edit - just realised a 2tb X is more than a Pro? That’s just mad.

@fatpunkslim

Just so you are aware it was just PC gamepass that grew an impressive 45% not gp as a whole.

Also -6% ontop of a -29% isn’t an improvement, it’s still a loss.

The path they have chosen is certainly going to make them some big money.

Smaller devs are realising that the money they receive upfront from MS probably outweighs any sales on the platform.

And hopefully word of mouth from GP players encourage sales on other platforms.

@RiverGenie conspiracy? What?

No im just saying that a game - any game - should be in a better state at release.

Yes there’s great aspects to it. You can clearly see the work gone into some areas, but if that’s being offset by it being poor elsewhere then it needs calling out.

Compare it to e33 that came out two days later. Polished, complete.

How about fix it to a good standard?

There’s a reason why it was shadow dropped - to miss outlets picking up and mentioning the bugs before people bought it.

Still being looked at with rose tinted glasses by too many.

Reading the DF article certainly didn’t sound as positive as trying to make here,

Nor all the comments about the issues.

Around a 9 so far.

There’s not been much variation in enemy attacks, and personally I prefer a mini map

Got both oblivion and this downloaded, think I’m going to give this a try first!

Hardly surprising considering it’s nigh on impossible to get the regular series X for the entire year.

Certainly worth its money.

But like every subscription the longer you have it the more the ‘value’ drops.

So no harm if people dip in and out of it.

@jesse_dylan it comes and goes. Usually 3month on GP then 3month on Plus and cycles them.

It’s not a shadow drop if it’s been leaked and reported on.

@Friendly Xbox makes a loss of between $100-200 on each console sold.

PS have made a profit for a while.

Both obviously make their money on services/games

@OldGamer999 teraflops mean nothing.

There’s a difference between a handheld and a home console.

The Xbox handheld (Asus collab) is going to be more expensive than a switch and similar to an X.

I expect them to follow. As I expect both Plus/gp to increase.

I think it may take a while before MS raises prices - it looks like they have taken the stock from every other country to stockpile in the US.

Id enjoy the Xbox ones more if the screen wasn’t so cluttered. It really annoys me. I just like simple and minimal

Wilds for me so far!

Im guessing (as others have mentioned) that this is where switch 2 ports will be shown

Same prices as every other sale. Same as what Sony do.

@Juanalf not at all. No where have I said that. So how you come to that leap is beyond me.

But is he going to jump down Sony/xbox throat when they follow and increase the price? I doubt it.

Will he say anything when the asus/xbox handheld is more expensive?

You can’t just rail on one company when all 3 will do the same.

What is he going to say when both Xbox and PS also charge £80? - and when he realises the Xbox handheld will cost more?

@EvilBear you can’t compare with ‘inflation adjusted’

In the n64 era (for instance), we got the full game on the cartridge, we got fancy boxes, manuals, artwork, posters, maps all kinds.

Now we get a cheap case, cheap disc and bit of a cover. Without the game on it. While manufacturing costs have reduced, supply chains are better.

Then there’s digital, where there’s no reason for it to be as high as it is.

Snap it up at 35k points, it’s potentially going to go to 51k

At £70/80 no chance. Same for any console. Even GTA.

Most of my day 1 stuff I get physical so only paid £48 for mhwilds.

£50/55is my limit these days, there’s so many games I haven’t played I can wait, use gp or extra to fill in the quiet times.

Not for me, but good to see it’s another solid release on day 1

I think there’s a fair bit of cope in this article.

Asus handheld is going to be more expensive.

Gamepass is already good value - but last I checked, it doesn’t have the Nintendo games on it that people will buy the switch 2 for.

Nintendo raising prices means both MS and Sony will follow suit. As soon as one does it the other 2 follow.

How does MS have any manoeuvrability around consoles - none are available to buy? And they are the most expensive of the 3.

Sure they will make more money by selling on switch2. And thats all MS care about.

@FraserG super easy solution - type faster! (I joke I joke)

@Utena-mobile unless it’s on gamepass the articles don’t drive any traffic.

Where unfortunately console wars/ or game not coming to Xbox does.

So it just shows where the priority of Xbox gamers actually lies.

For 3 months, then to PS for 3 months.

Unfortunately for many today the overriding thought is on the price of the games.

Really overshadows a decent price of the console

Game price goes up, subscription will follow. And yes I expect both to now happen across all systems.

The console at 400 is affordable. The games for families? Maybe not so.

@fatpunkslim why are you so worried about what Sony are or aren’t showing? Article has nothing to do with them.

Im glad so many have downloaded it and tried it. That’s great news.

But so so so many people are saying they played 15minutes and dropped it because of the bugs and issues (the beauty of trying it on GP) I hope that they come back and give it a go once it’s fixed.

Price is going to make or break it. Last rumours I saw had it at $499