Since when did £3 become whopping?!

Other than that. Extremely rare as I’ve generally played it on GP or it ends up on Plus too.

@AI-Generation for a known quantity that is AC a couple of hundred million probably

@Llamageddon guy is ignoring the cost of every other game made in that period, buying 3rd party deals, running costs of gp etc etc

@Trojan but if games don’t make money, people lose their jobs and that means less games.

@Kaloudz im genuinely curious. Remarkable job how?

So Xbox division is still dropping, still suffering a hangover from the GP price rise. Eventually they will gain some subs back hence the growth predictions (and GTA/CoD in the same quarterly + the new cost of cloud that has no previous)

But when the rest of MS is reporting 19% growth how long are they going to keep pushing Xbox - even if it returns to low profitability? They can make much more elsewhere.

Seems mad to close it if it is ‘close’.

But I wonder what ‘close’ is in this scenario as there’s no release date, no updates on the game and so on.

@HonestHick but yet the ps5 increased YoY. So people are Infact (for some mental reason) willing to pay these prices.

@Rimebreaker this is sept 26 v sept 25

Doesn’t matter if it was only 2-300million. The evidence is unfortunately out there that it hasn’t sold consoles as an exclusive. And it won’t make its money back.

Infact for September MS had there worst ever result. Which has to be concerning because the band aids Asha is doing isn’t having any effect outside of die hards. And Sonys non physical (which I still hate) isn’t causing anyone to switch or their sales drop

That’s expensive ontop of a sub.

@strzelec both have upscale now so it will basically end up being status quo. Where base ps5 + series X looked almost identical in most games prior to these updates they will again after them.

The first party stuff is the best.

3rd party can be hit and miss really

@Millionski those Xbox’s you think they will sell ultimately aren’t available in most of the world.

I’ll give it a go in a week or 2 on GP. It looks interesting

Really weird angle to come at it that they will be most lucrative rather than good

It was an easy PR win when they needed it. It did what it needed to do. And it looks like wins for the player base when some ideas were acted on.

Can champion these wins while keeping eyes off the ***** announcements.

Reviewing well everywhere. Good for the coalition and I hope it keeps them in their jobs.

I will be diving in in the next few weeks. Campaign only but looking forward to it.

@StoicSlab yeah. Pretty sure Sony uses Azure for PlayStation as an example

Was a bit of a strange question to ask her really. Sony split over the price. MS managed to get a deal that potentially works for them.

But yeah everyone thinks they are competitors who hate each other but Sony and MS have many deals going across various business areas.

I like the symbol for the mythic but I really dislike the name.

@Llamageddon starts in free/reduced price. Until it rises in price or comes in other tiers to ‘stop’ price rises.

It’s proven already in Netflix/Disney+.

If it’s successful for MS, Sony will follow

Sounds like it’s going in all honesty. And MS is relying now on its ‘core’ franchises.

@Elbow he’s been attending celebrity events. Such as a Prada event.

Most likely price.

But right now it’s actually more about seeing exactly what helix/ps6 is

As long as it drops to PS level price or lower as it would offer far less games than Plus, then I’d still sub.

But at £15 a month? Probably not - they need to offer a yearly sub price at a discount.

@FraserG I’d imagine at this point there is little Asha can actually change. Unless it’s being heavily delayed.

People are living in a bubble if they still think nothing will change.

Asha has been brought in to make Xbox self sustainable.the last 25years have never been profitable.

So things will change. And I fully expect Sony will follow suit and make Plus a worse prospect.

I don’t think all of the above is true. But for me it’s a little too detailed for it all to be untrue.

Like you think they would just say day 1 dropped and not pricing too.

There will be changes I’m sure of that but all we can do is wait

I really can not wait for this game.

Gives me a reason to play the other 2 again in the new year as well!

@Sol4ris afaik it’s sold less/about 2mil which is low for a big game, especially after first one did far better.

There must have been something Sony didn’t like/not far in development due to OD.

But again it’s a solid pick up for Xbox, you generally know you get quality from him, and it’s a nice PR win while Sony is on a rough run of them!

Good pick up you would imagine. You know it will be in a good state at release

Can see why Sony has done it with DS2 underperforming and it probably being 5yrs away.

I’m going to be honest I can’t see this happening. I think it’s going to be a global release.

Would be mayhem if it wasnt

@Dodoo yeah I hate Sonys dynamic pricing and the Just for you deals on Xbox.

See I’m all for a yearly membership being able to be purchased by anyone (like Sonys that’s cheaper than subbing monthly)

But each person being offered a different price for the same product doesn’t sit right with me.

I got an email over the weekend confirming that cloud will be the new hours from November. (UK here)

The only countries receiving the unchanged emails are the ones with better consumer protection and the exact same countries that didn’t get the GPU price rises initially the other year.

@fatpunkslim certain countries. I think AUS is one. (Similar to how certain countries didn’t get the immediate price rises a year or so ago) As dar as I’m aware UK and US haven’t got these emails. (Uk here and I certainly haven’t)

@strzelec I already have a series S but thanks for your concern

@abe_hikura 4% is still around 1.2million (assuming 30m subscribers)

Can MS afford to keep losing subscribers? They already lost a good amount from the price increase.

Everything’s an Xbox! (For 15hours)

@fatpunkslim sorry but up until this change can you point out where consumers were getting more than they paid for?

Xbox as part of the deal gave unlimited cloud. Consumers weren’t getting more. They were getting what they paid for.

Now for the same price it’s got a hard cap of 15hours. So that’s less.

We know you love MS and that’s fine. But criticism of your favourite company is fine when it’s justified.

@AI-Generation GPU the best for you checks notes this week - you have sold your Xbox at least 3times this gen.

@oopsiezz because one affects Sony and one affects MS.

And obviously MS can do no wrong in some eyes on here.

I’d assume it’s captured on base ps5 - everything captured on pro usually states that.

Ps5/X version will pretty much look and play identical like most games.

Series S I’d imagine will have some chunky compromising in places.

@FraserG I agree, the first half was a bit ‘I’ve seen this before’ movement felt slow, but the second half looked better imo.

Good on Xbox.

I guess this means no disc drive on the next console then.

Was OK. Just average, few interesting things but nothing much that was new