@InterceptorAlpha I mainly just get the Switch exclusive games now also...
To me it's the best option, Switch for the Nintendo exclusives plus the odd good third party game, then Xbox for the Microsoft exclusives (Halo/Gears/Forza/Fable) plus the multiplats...
I play 90% docked and use a Pro Controller, that has been fine for me so far.. Only use Joy Con's for occasional portable play and even then I play with them attached...
I presume it's Xbox Series S/X and PS5 platforms at this point then... I can't see it releasing on Xbox One or PS4 really... I quite liked the first but can't understand just how well it's spoken of.. Quite good but no masterpiece in my opinion...
@K1LLEGAL
I believe it was exclusive to Gamestop in America...
However, there must be alot of copies as a quick check on UK Ebay (where I got my copy) has plenty for sale now as low as £21.58 for the physical Switch version delivered....
There is also quite a few other listings at around the same price, that would be the best bet if you want a physical Switch copy..
It's basic maths... Currently Game Pass is no doubt (I would assume) losing Microsoft money, however there will be a tiping point on the subscriber count where it becomes profitable...
Be that 15 million, 20, 25 or 30 million subscibers... This is why it's on PC as it's another avenue to up the subscription base, a service across platforms..
Eventually if enough people sign up to the service it should make them money.. Then once this happens it's a regular profit stream (providing subscriber count dosen't then go down afterwards )...
There are other aspects which need to be carefully managed such as expense of adding the new games, keeping the quality or content up to a standard and the basic managing of the service/advertising for it etc...
It's a long game strategy and we all know Microsoft have deep pockets so can afford to do this, however they will want to be turning a profit at somepoint down the line no doubt...
@Murray That's what I used earlier this year to get my 3 years of Game Pass Ultimate, works out less than £1 per week and you are all set.... (It's just over the cost of 2 new PS5 games for 3 years of access to 200+ games with EA games still yet to be added to the service) An amazing deal..
But as you say I don't see this promotion returning..
Series X for me, just not at the launch... (Need to play all my Xbox One backlog first.) The PS5 presentation all very nice and all but just not for me....
@KelticDevil I'm in exactly the same position, no 4K TV yet and a massive and still growing backlog, with EA being added to Game Pass it will only grow.. Certainly a while for me until I get a Series X...
Yes, they based their opinion on the spec's and just thought it was very likely to be the case. They hadn't had any confirmation from Microsoft so couldn't state anything as fact at the time which is the safe thing to do...
I thought this might be the case after seeing the Digital Foundry video earlier as they all but confirmed it, it's unfortunate but understandable... Any slight chance of me getting the Series S has now gone, it's Series X all the way... (Don't wish to be playing my One X Enhanced games as One S versions on Next Gen, I see no point in that..)
That's what sold me on the Xbox ecosystem too really, and why I have so many digital titles on my Xbox One... No doubt it is a step back in some ways, as even if a game loads a lot quicker the fact you may have to move it from HDD to SSD to actually play it takes away the convenience... It's as you say "This gen feels like a loss-leading prototype war where next gen really fleshes out the tech." Fleshing out the tech comes when SSD prices fall and methods such as streaming everything to be able to play a greater selection of titles is in place... I think now the best thing which could come to Xbox/Game Pass would be the ability to stream the games as you say some kind of buffer SSDN to stream the assets to and cache them as you play...
@NEStalgia I see where you are coming from, like you I have a lot of games playable quickly, roughly 280+ games on my OneX, can start any of them at a whim and switch between them easily... Giving this up for next gen will not be easy.. Personally, I will not be there at launch as my backlog is huge and by the time I get further through it and ready to get a Series X I just hope SSD prices are less... There is no solution to having everything playable at a whim going forwards with Series X, and certainly not at the launch. In someways it is a step back, especially for convenience.. Everyone will just have to get accustomed to moving games across from HDD to SSD and back again...
Hotshot Racing for me, very fun arcade racer... Over on Nintendolife it's also been reported free additional content will be added post launch for the title.. I quote - "FREE post-launch content coming soon, including new tracks, mode and Championship!" That's great news..
@NEStalgia I agree, the cost of the SSD is great, especially in relation to the console cost, no getting around that. As you said you like to see all games at once and be able to play them easily. That's one of the things I will also greatly miss.. However, SSD prices should lower in time, prices should come down, everyone will just have to manage manage the storage effectively... The worrying aspect is for those that don't know you can use HDD as a storage medium for the games next gen.....
@NEStalgia That was my first response, but the way round it as the article suggests is to just connect your current HDD drive to use as storage for the Xbox Series S/X games and transfer them back and fourth to the SSD when you wish to play them.. Not ideal but you can keep costs down that way while just concentrating on a few titles at once...
@TheNewButler Cost not yet announced officially but rumour of being $220/£170 for the 1tb...
It's only a rumour however..
No news about larger size drives but I would think in time a 2tb would be revealed..
That's massive news...
For someone with nearly 3 years of Game Pass Ultimate subscription left to have content added like this for free... It seem's too good to be true..
Just when I'm trying to cut down the amount of hard drive space I use for game downloads 🤣🤣
@BlueOcean Very true, every Xbox One game I have purchased I currently have installed either on the internal or external HDD...
Even with Game Pass games I struggle to delete them if there is a chance I will play them again...
I'm quite a late switcher to digital games compared to many, having only relatively recently got a Xbox One so I like to keep everything installed.
However, as you say, improvements in UI bringing the benefit of being able to clearly/quickly see all games installed or not should help combat the desire to have everything you own installed on the hard drive..
The ability to stream would basically negate this entirely...
@BlueOcean That's where the additional 512 SSD internal memory on Series X really shines over the Series S..
I suppose you may not even need to buy a 1TB SSD for a while that way or technically ever if you were happy to just swap the games across...
Edit - This really makes me hope the additional feature coming to Game Pass is the ability to stream the games...
@FraserG That sounds like the best option, storage swapping the games between a large HDD and the 1TB SSD. While not ideal it seems to be a good way forward.. It might also improve my poor gaming habits of trying to play 4/5 games at once and help me to concentrate on just a couple...
Out of interest how much space does everyone use on current Xbox one? I currently use 3tb of my external 5tb drive and 500gb of my 1tb internal drive memory so 3.5tb in total. With that in mind seeing prices like this posted for just 1tb is quite alarming...
Whoa... I thought this might be the case...
(Conversion rate = £170.00 for 1TB)
You would need one of these from launch, especially with the Series S packing only 512SSD. So suddenly the cost of entry to next gen is well over £400 as realistically you could only download a few titles at most to the Series S hard drive...
I hope it's not true...
Neither at launch, I only got a One X at the end of February so will sit tight at the launch, especially with no Halo Infinite launching on November 10th with the system.
However, I will get the Series X or Series S relatively soon, I've just got to decide which one....
@Octane The lack of a disk drive is the sticking point for me, I'm very undecided as it stands... Another trivial reason for many but important for me is I also like going into game stores and hunting out a good preowned deal occasionally, which obviously wouldn't be possible...
@ralphdibny Think of it as an entry point to next gen, it's a Game Pass machine which plays next gen games at a scaled back quality...
Benefit over One X is while Series S is not much more powerful it will play the next gen games, One X won't.
I'm seriously thinking about it as my gaming time is split between this, my Switch, and my work.
It might just be good enough for me...
Edit - Only issue's are the small SSD for me, and also I still like the odd physical game..
@FraserG Thanks for the response and information.
It's certainly doable then, I could get a 1TB custom SSD to use for next gen on the Series S and transfer games between the two hard drives, just keeping what I want to play on next gen on the new SSD.
It's something to think about..
@TheNewButler Just what I'm thinking, a good size SSD to last you a while especially if it's a Game Pass machine could cost more than the Series S itself easily...
@FraserG I thought that might be an issue.
Hmm, so it would still work for Xbox One games so would cover everything up to now..
In that case I could still connect it to the Series S play everything I did on my One X and just use another Custom SSD for everything next gen going forwards....
I presume two hard drives can be connected??
That really world be doing next gen on the cheap...
Stupid question here possibly, but could I just connect my external hard drive I use for my One X and use this straight away on the Series S and play all the games and be covered then for next gen??
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Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (Sep 19th)
Super Mario 3D All-Stars mostly but some Forza Horizon 2 also....
Re: Back Compat Games Will Receive Visual And Performance Boosts On Xbox Series S
Very good news for Series S users..
I would get one if I didnt have so many Xbox One games physically....
Re: Katamari Damacy Reroll Is Coming To Xbox One This November
@InterceptorAlpha I mainly just get the Switch exclusive games now also...
To me it's the best option, Switch for the Nintendo exclusives plus the odd good third party game, then Xbox for the Microsoft exclusives (Halo/Gears/Forza/Fable) plus the multiplats...
I play 90% docked and use a Pro Controller, that has been fine for me so far.. Only use Joy Con's for occasional portable play and even then I play with them attached...
Re: Ubisoft Aims To Show Beyond Good & Evil 2 In Action Next Year
I presume it's Xbox Series S/X and PS5 platforms at this point then... I can't see it releasing on Xbox One or PS4 really...
I quite liked the first but can't understand just how well it's spoken of..
Quite good but no masterpiece in my opinion...
Re: Katamari Damacy Reroll Is Coming To Xbox One This November
@K1LLEGAL
I believe it was exclusive to Gamestop in America...
However, there must be alot of copies as a quick check on UK Ebay (where I got my copy) has plenty for sale now as low as £21.58 for the physical Switch version delivered....
There is also quite a few other listings at around the same price, that would be the best bet if you want a physical Switch copy..
Re: Katamari Damacy Reroll Is Coming To Xbox One This November
Have it on Switch, managed to nab a physical edition as it had a limited release.... Quirky game full of character...
Re: Life Is Strange 2's First Episode Made Permanently Free On Xbox
I might get this to check it out....
Re: Xbox Game Pass Model Wouldn't Make Financial Sense For PS5, Says CEO Jim Ryan
It's basic maths... Currently Game Pass is no doubt (I would assume) losing Microsoft money, however there will be a tiping point on the subscriber count where it becomes profitable...
Be that 15 million, 20, 25 or 30 million subscibers... This is why it's on PC as it's another avenue to up the subscription base, a service across platforms..
Eventually if enough people sign up to the service it should make them money.. Then once this happens it's a regular profit stream (providing subscriber count dosen't then go down afterwards )...
There are other aspects which need to be carefully managed such as expense of adding the new games, keeping the quality or content up to a standard and the basic managing of the service/advertising for it etc...
It's a long game strategy and we all know Microsoft have deep pockets so can afford to do this, however they will want to be turning a profit at somepoint down the line no doubt...
Re: Reaction: Sony Just Boosted The Value Of Xbox Game Pass Even Further
@Murray Yes it does, great value, early March is also when I signed up to the offer..
Re: Reaction: Sony Just Boosted The Value Of Xbox Game Pass Even Further
@Murray That's what I used earlier this year to get my 3 years of Game Pass Ultimate, works out less than £1 per week and you are all set.... (It's just over the cost of 2 new PS5 games for 3 years of access to 200+ games with EA games still yet to be added to the service) An amazing deal..
But as you say I don't see this promotion returning..
Re: Sony Responds To Xbox With Official PS5 Price Reveal
Series X for me, just not at the launch... (Need to play all my Xbox One backlog first.)
The PS5 presentation all very nice and all but just not for me....
Re: Rocket League Officially Goes Free-To-Play On Xbox Next Week
So my copy I have via Game Pass will just turned into a "owned" game I guess??
Re: Two More Of September's Xbox Games With Gold Are Now Available
Is The Book Of Unwritten Tales 2 even worth installing?? Anyone played it and been amazed??
Re: Two More Of September's Xbox Games With Gold Are Now Available
Downloaded Armed and Dangerous via the link given, thanks for the information 😀
Re: Another 6 Games Will Leave Xbox Game Pass Later This Month (Sep 30)
Luckily picked up Panzer Dragon Orta when on sale but I will miss Dirt Rally 2.0, will have to play this some more before it leaves...
Re: Expect The Xbox Series S/X To Sell Out Very Quickly, Warns Best Buy
@KelticDevil I'm in exactly the same position, no 4K TV yet and a massive and still growing backlog, with EA being added to Game Pass it will only grow..
Certainly a while for me until I get a Series X...
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (Sep 12th)
Plenty of Hotshot Racing and some Gears 5 going through the campaign again and possibly some multiplayer...
Re: Random: The Xbox Series S Has Been On Phil Spencer's Bookshelf Since July
Haha... Now that's Sneaky..
Very casual Phil.
Re: Xbox Series S Will Run Xbox One S Versions Of Backwards Compatible Games, With Improvements
Yes, they based their opinion on the spec's and just thought it was very likely to be the case. They hadn't had any confirmation from Microsoft so couldn't state anything as fact at the time which is the safe thing to do...
Re: Xbox Series S Will Run Xbox One S Versions Of Backwards Compatible Games, With Improvements
I thought this might be the case after seeing the Digital Foundry video earlier as they all but confirmed it, it's unfortunate but understandable...
Any slight chance of me getting the Series S has now gone, it's Series X all the way...
(Don't wish to be playing my One X Enhanced games as One S versions on Next Gen, I see no point in that..)
Re: Halo's Master Chief Has A Hidden Cameo Inside The Xbox Series S
Very neat indeed!!
Re: Guide: How Does Storage Work On The Xbox Series S & X?
@NEStalgia (Sorry for the late reply)
That's what sold me on the Xbox ecosystem too really, and why I have so many digital titles on my Xbox One... No doubt it is a step back in some ways, as even if a game loads a lot quicker the fact you may have to move it from HDD to SSD to actually play it takes away the convenience...
It's as you say "This gen feels like a loss-leading prototype war where next gen really fleshes out the tech."
Fleshing out the tech comes when SSD prices fall and methods such as streaming everything to be able to play a greater selection of titles is in place...
I think now the best thing which could come to Xbox/Game Pass would be the ability to stream the games as you say some kind of buffer SSDN to stream the assets to and cache them as you play...
Re: Guide: How Does Storage Work On The Xbox Series S & X?
@NEStalgia I see where you are coming from, like you I have a lot of games playable quickly, roughly 280+ games on my OneX, can start any of them at a whim and switch between them easily...
Giving this up for next gen will not be easy..
Personally, I will not be there at launch as my backlog is huge and by the time I get further through it and ready to get a Series X I just hope SSD prices are less...
There is no solution to having everything playable at a whim going forwards with Series X, and certainly not at the launch. In someways it is a step back, especially for convenience..
Everyone will just have to get accustomed to moving games across from HDD to SSD and back again...
Re: Five More Games Are Available With Xbox Game Pass Today (Sep 10)
Hotshot Racing for me, very fun arcade racer...
Over on Nintendolife it's also been reported free additional content will be added post launch for the title..
I quote - "FREE post-launch content coming soon, including new tracks, mode and Championship!"
That's great news..
Re: Guide: How Does Storage Work On The Xbox Series S & X?
@NEStalgia I agree, the cost of the SSD is great, especially in relation to the console cost, no getting around that. As you said you like to see all games at once and be able to play them easily. That's one of the things I will also greatly miss..
However, SSD prices should lower in time, prices should come down, everyone will just have to manage manage the storage effectively...
The worrying aspect is for those that don't know you can use HDD as a storage medium for the games next gen.....
Re: Guide: How Does Storage Work On The Xbox Series S & X?
@NEStalgia That was my first response, but the way round it as the article suggests is to just connect your current HDD drive to use as storage for the Xbox Series S/X games and transfer them back and fourth to the SSD when you wish to play them..
Not ideal but you can keep costs down that way while just concentrating on a few titles at once...
Re: Gears Tactics Hits Console With Xbox Game Pass On November 10th
Very good news..
Not traditional Gears but a new Gears title at launch nonetheless..
Re: Guide: How Does Storage Work On The Xbox Series S & X?
@TheNewButler Cost not yet announced officially but rumour of being $220/£170 for the 1tb...
It's only a rumour however..
No news about larger size drives but I would think in time a 2tb would be revealed..
Re: Codemasters Announces Dirt 5 As An Xbox Series S / X Launch Title
Launch line up looks quite solid now...
Another big game locked in for the launch.
Re: EA Play Joins Xbox Game Pass At No Extra Cost This Holiday
Surely the monthly cost of Game Pass will go up in the not to distant future....
Re: EA Play Joins Xbox Game Pass At No Extra Cost This Holiday
That's massive news...
For someone with nearly 3 years of Game Pass Ultimate subscription left to have content added like this for free... It seem's too good to be true..
Just when I'm trying to cut down the amount of hard drive space I use for game downloads 🤣🤣
This must have cost Microsoft a pretty penny...
Re: Rumour: Could The Xbox Series X 1TB Expansion Card Be Upwards Of $200?!
@BlueOcean Very true, every Xbox One game I have purchased I currently have installed either on the internal or external HDD...
Even with Game Pass games I struggle to delete them if there is a chance I will play them again...
I'm quite a late switcher to digital games compared to many, having only relatively recently got a Xbox One so I like to keep everything installed.
However, as you say, improvements in UI bringing the benefit of being able to clearly/quickly see all games installed or not should help combat the desire to have everything you own installed on the hard drive..
The ability to stream would basically negate this entirely...
Re: Rumour: Could The Xbox Series X 1TB Expansion Card Be Upwards Of $200?!
@BlueOcean That's where the additional 512 SSD internal memory on Series X really shines over the Series S..
I suppose you may not even need to buy a 1TB SSD for a while that way or technically ever if you were happy to just swap the games across...
Edit - This really makes me hope the additional feature coming to Game Pass is the ability to stream the games...
Re: Rumour: Could The Xbox Series X 1TB Expansion Card Be Upwards Of $200?!
@FraserG That sounds like the best option, storage swapping the games between a large HDD and the 1TB SSD.
While not ideal it seems to be a good way forward..
It might also improve my poor gaming habits of trying to play 4/5 games at once and help me to concentrate on just a couple...
Re: Rumour: Could The Xbox Series X 1TB Expansion Card Be Upwards Of $200?!
Out of interest how much space does everyone use on current Xbox one?
I currently use 3tb of my external 5tb drive and 500gb of my 1tb internal drive memory so 3.5tb in total. With that in mind seeing prices like this posted for just 1tb is quite alarming...
Re: Rumour: Could The Xbox Series X 1TB Expansion Card Be Upwards Of $200?!
Whoa... I thought this might be the case...
(Conversion rate = £170.00 for 1TB)
You would need one of these from launch, especially with the Series S packing only 512SSD. So suddenly the cost of entry to next gen is well over £400 as realistically you could only download a few titles at most to the Series S hard drive...
I hope it's not true...
Re: Deals: Over 300 Games, Bundles & Add-Ons In This Week's Xbox Sale (Sep 8-15)
Massive amount of DLC on sale but no Redout DLC unfortunately..
Hoping those additional track packs go on sale soon...
Re: Multiple Developers Said To Be 'Very Impressed' With The Xbox Series S
I expect these to sell well at launch and beyond, bundle the machine with a short trial of Game Pass and I think Microsoft will have a hit...
Re: Poll: Which Next-Gen Xbox Are You Currently Planning To Buy?
Neither at launch, I only got a One X at the end of February so will sit tight at the launch, especially with no Halo Infinite launching on November 10th with the system.
However, I will get the Series X or Series S relatively soon, I've just got to decide which one....
Re: New Xbox Game Pass Feature Reportedly Set To Be Revealed Soon
Given the Series S very limited SSD capacity (512 GB) the ability to stream directly would be great...
Re: Leaked Xbox Series S Reveal Trailer Confirms 120FPS Support, 512GB SSD
@Octane The lack of a disk drive is the sticking point for me, I'm very undecided as it stands... Another trivial reason for many but important for me is I also like going into game stores and hunting out a good preowned deal occasionally, which obviously wouldn't be possible...
Re: Rumour: Xbox Series S To Be Bundled With Phone Contracts In The UK
This is aggressive marketing...
Re: Leaked Xbox Series S Reveal Trailer Confirms 120FPS Support, 512GB SSD
@ralphdibny Think of it as an entry point to next gen, it's a Game Pass machine which plays next gen games at a scaled back quality...
Benefit over One X is while Series S is not much more powerful it will play the next gen games, One X won't.
I'm seriously thinking about it as my gaming time is split between this, my Switch, and my work.
It might just be good enough for me...
Edit - Only issue's are the small SSD for me, and also I still like the odd physical game..
Re: Leaked Xbox Series S Reveal Trailer Confirms 120FPS Support, 512GB SSD
@FraserG Thanks for the response and information.
It's certainly doable then, I could get a 1TB custom SSD to use for next gen on the Series S and transfer games between the two hard drives, just keeping what I want to play on next gen on the new SSD.
It's something to think about..
Re: Leaked Xbox Series S Reveal Trailer Confirms 120FPS Support, 512GB SSD
@TheNewButler Just what I'm thinking, a good size SSD to last you a while especially if it's a Game Pass machine could cost more than the Series S itself easily...
Re: Leaked Xbox Series S Reveal Trailer Confirms 120FPS Support, 512GB SSD
@FraserG I thought that might be an issue.
Hmm, so it would still work for Xbox One games so would cover everything up to now..
In that case I could still connect it to the Series S play everything I did on my One X and just use another Custom SSD for everything next gen going forwards....
I presume two hard drives can be connected??
That really world be doing next gen on the cheap...
Re: Microsoft Officially Reveals The Xbox Series S, £249 Confirmed
@sandman89 I didn't think of that but yes, £30.00 less at launch..
This should sell well in the UK..
Re: Leaked Xbox Series S Reveal Trailer Confirms 120FPS Support, 512GB SSD
Stupid question here possibly, but could I just connect my external hard drive I use for my One X and use this straight away on the Series S and play all the games and be covered then for next gen??
Re: Poll: Which Design Do You Prefer, Xbox Series S Or X?
Design wise it's the S for me...
Re: Microsoft Officially Reveals The Xbox Series S, £249 Confirmed
Whoa £249.99 UK price...
What an amazing entry point for next gen hardware..
Your turn Sony..