I’ve been focusing on The Plague Tale Requiem - whats surprising me, having played it once at release, is how good it is. Even if I remember the story, if not all the details, its really gripping me again. Amazing!
I have GPU. My son plays mostly on his SX and the games that are on GPU or free. We rarely buy games. If it wasnt for him I probably would have been on and off depending on what games I would like to play but as it is its good value
Spider-Man 2 - Finished it, amazing game. Miles is still my favorite of the three Spider-Man games but some of the main missions in S-M 2 are incredible.
The Stanley parable - finished and platinumed. Brilliant game, great humour. The end is really never the end with this game. Not even sure I´ve seen all the game has to offer but having seen most of it I can put it down now.
Star Wars: Tales from the galaxys edge VR - not been feeling the urge to play it at all since last week, which is pretty telling. Mediocre game, but I think I´m gonna drop it. There are other games I want to play instead.
A Plague Tale - Requiem - I played this back at release on the Series S but I'm going back to it now on the PS5 pro, really enjoying the game. Loved the first one as well, need to add the platinum of Requiem to the collection as it bugs me otherwise. Yes I’m wierd like that 😂
Wireless consoles can be one of the reasons but not the only one, there are many things that affect how good streaming games work for different people.
Managed to get quite a bit of game time since last week 😊
Jusant - Finished it, what an epic journey. Really enjoyed it, so much so I got the platinum.
Cocoon - Got reminded in EGs game of 2024 list that I had started but for some reason not finished EGs GOTY for 2023. Really cool game, it did fry my brain with some of the puzzles so I had to use a guide at some points. Very clever and very good game 😊
Spider-man 2 - Doing a ng+ and Im enjoying it, amazing (😊) game. Some of the main missions are just superb. Playing it on fidelity pro 40 fps and it looks so, so good. Usually prefer 60 fps but finally having a TV supporting this mode makes it my new favorite, perfect mix between quality and performance.
The Stanley parable - Fun little game, nice dry humour. Need to get the platinum for this, its an interesting list but that one trophy that requires you to play for a full Tuesday is going to be a bitch however its done 😅
Star Wars: Tales from the galaxys edge VR - its “free” on plus, might as well play it. Just an hour or two in, its mediocre so far but shooting lasers if still fun and its Star Wars so I´ll play some more 😊
If we’re specifically talking about game pass, then sales on other platforms or mobile are not included. MS makes tons of money outside of game pass, but isolating game pass means we dont know if its profitable as those numbers are not shared (and Phils word doesnt mean much here). MS/xbox actions, as I and Mightant are pointing out, tells the story that its not doing good enough for MS/Xbox,. But hey, we’ll find out in due time.
Given the ”Everything is an Xbox” thing MS is pushing I dont really care about the next Xbox as I’ll get to play the games without one and might as well just get a Playstation and a Switch 2.
Zelda - echoes of wisdom - Its really a special feeling to play a new Zelda game 🙂 Been on a family vacation and the switch is just perfect to bring! I really enjoy the game, love the visuals and that its a top down view, brings me back to LttP 🙂 it is however, imho, a bit heavy on the echoes focus and it feels to gimmicky. Need a bridge or a tower to climb on, build it from gravity defying beds. Need to heal during a boss fight, make a bed and sleep in it between boss attacks... But its a minor complaint really! Now we're back home Im thinking about pausing it until next trip, we'll see.
Jusant - wanted a relaxing game on the ps5 in between other games and this is perfect for that!
Hope you all are enjoying the holidays! Finished some games, tried some games and started a game Ive been looking forward to 🙂
Indy - finished it earlier in the week and loved it! It had a good story and fun gameplay (stealth being a bit of a weak point imo) and exploration and most importantly it felt like a great adventure! I can see myself double dip for this game and get it on the ps5 when on a sale 🙂
Behemoth PSVR2 - also finished, and platinumed, which meant playing it twice. Ive enjoyed the game a lot, I like the setting and the fighting and the boss fights are pretty cool. The game could use more polish though, some minor bugs squashed and improvement to controls would be welcome. My own review score? A weak 4 out of 5, but of you are unsure of you like this kind of game wait for a sale or a demo/trial 🙂
Forspoken - Been giving it a couple of hours, but decided to drop it. Its not a bad game, but its not a good one either and I didnt feel like it was worth my time, at least not right now.
Sonic frontiers - Didnt click for me, again not a bad game just not for me.
Zelda - echoes of wisdom - Its really a special feeling to play a new Zelda game 🙂 Currently on a family vacation and I basically just started playing but I feel like I will enjoy it 🙂
I got Dark Souls 3 on disc as my son wanted it for his birthday but other than that its mainly GPU games, and he plays some free to play games as well. Trying to keep our Xboxes and gamepass-machines only!
Hopefully they dont use the creation engine for the next Elder Scrolls, feels like they’ve reached their limit with that engine and I dont want it to look and play like if Starfield has a fantasy setting mod.
Bit of a boring update as Im still playing the same games as last weekend, however I did end up getting a ps5 pro. The games first 🙂
Indy - Love this game. Really hits that big adventure feeling I’ve missed since the last Uncharted and Tomb Raider games. Great story, great sense of exploration and discovery. Cant wait to play more!
Behemoth PSVR 2 - Im in the last part of the game I think. The third part of the game wasnt as good as the first two imo but its picking up again in the fourth part. Its still a bit buggy at times and controls could be a bit more precise, but its still very fun to play imo. Dual wielding and axe and a sword at the moment, both of which you can throw and retrieve Kratos style. Pretty awesome! But, I would still recommend waiting for some patches and probably a sale!
Ps5 pro - so, I got the ”perfect excuse” to get one as the kids have been playing on my old Ps4 which is now starting to give up it feels like. First I thought Id get them a ps5 slim but then I thought its not that much more for a pro and they can have my ps5. So everyone wins, right? 😁 I gotta say Im pretty happy with the pro and the improvements to the games thats got a pro patch, especially for the first party games. It looks amazing in performance pro mode 🤩 Now, I just need a better TV and it just so happens that we need a new one in the cabin… 😉
Unless something changes with MS strategy and they dont release all their games on other consoles in the future, I’ll be getting one. Otherwise its sort of pointless having an Xbox next gen.
Really looking forward to play Indy next week! As for the score, it just means this reviewer didnt like it as much as others (and many sites have scored it higher) which is fair enough and nothing to cry about! What would be the point of reviews on PureXbox of they gave all Xbox games a perfect score just because?
@BacklogBrad as a Series S owner, not sure I agree on games running great on the machine… some games sure, but some are almost unplayable. Hopefully theres something Xbox can learn from that when developing a handheld console.
Since dropping Stalker 2, waiting for it to be patched etc, Ive played Neva. It was awesome, from the same developer that made Gris. Of you liked Gris, you need to play Neva!
Also waiting for some games coming in december, Indy being one of them
Me personally isnt the biggest fan of FH 5 but I do think it would sell well on Playstation.
Seing some comments about FM being better than GT? You are entitled to your opinion but its hard to take that seriously… add VR to GT and its so much better its not even funny !
It was a good campaign so Im happy, nice to see that its well recieved over all. Would prefer to have sales reported instead of ”engagement” though, but guess with the game being on gamepass sales makes it seem a bit less successful!
HZD remaster - So I've finished and platinumed this awesome game again. Loved it 😃
CoD Blops 6 - finished the campaign and enjoyed it a lot. Very nice to have a good CoD campaign after the last few really ***** ones.
And I've started Stalker 2. Im a bit torn about this game. On one hand Im enjoying it and really like this kind of game and on the other hand its really rough. Playing on the Series S isnt helping... but it isnt just the technical and buggy side of things it also feels like the game wont last me very long since the story is already lost on me and it then becomes very repetetive playing the almost same things over and over. Still, will keep playing since there are some good parts but I might not keep playing for 40ish hours to finish it on its current state.
4/10 is pretty brutal, would give it a higher score myself but yeah, the game is far from perfect. The hours I´ve played have been fun but I can see myself run out of steam to keep playing as it feels like I´ve seen all there is pretty soon and then it´ll be just doing the same things over and over.
Theres also the not always great framerate and controls and what feels like lag to deal with on the S which makes it so, so much harder. One pack of normal dogs that attacker at night and bad weather cost me three full mags cause I couldnt hit ***** and I had to use almost all of my medical stuff 😂 so yeah, now I just run like crazy
All very valid points. Some of those issues I dont think will ever be fixed but hopefully some bugs and framerate issues can be sorted out.
Im still enjoying the game but not as much as I would if it was in a better state so you are def doing the smart thing by waiting, meanwhile Im doing some betatesting for you all
So, I’ve finished the prologue and performance on the Series S is a little choppy but no bugs yet, but I imagine there’ll be a few in a game like this which is ok as long as its not game breaking. The son plays on his Series X and performance seems fine, he went with quality mode though as performance mode wasnt really smooth apparently.
I’ll keep playing for a bit longer and if theres no bugs I’ll keep going otherwise I’ll just drop it and wait for patches!
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Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (January 25-26)
I’ve been focusing on The Plague Tale Requiem - whats surprising me, having played it once at release, is how good it is. Even if I remember the story, if not all the details, its really gripping me again. Amazing!
Re: Talking Point: Have You Been Tempted To Switch To Xbox Game Pass Standard?
@Millionski thanks, I’ll look in to it 🙂
Re: Talking Point: Have You Been Tempted To Switch To Xbox Game Pass Standard?
I have GPU. My son plays mostly on his SX and the games that are on GPU or free. We rarely buy games. If it wasnt for him I probably would have been on and off depending on what games I would like to play but as it is its good value
Re: Rumour: Leaker Names Multiple Xbox Games Potentially Releasing On Switch 2
@ZAHMED
Yes, probably. But for that we have Xbox consoles so no need for it on a handheld.
Re: Rumour: Leaker Names Multiple Xbox Games Potentially Releasing On Switch 2
Me and my son are kind of interested in an Xbox handheld but being able to play Xbox games on Switch 2 would mean no need for it.
Re: PS5 Pro Surprisingly Loses To Xbox Series X In HDMI Bandwidth Test
Xbox needs all the wins it can get so hooray!
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (January 18-19)
@Titntin
I also loved Star Wars Outlaws, nice to see the game get some love in between all the ***** on all Ubi games
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (January 18-19)
Played since last week
Spider-Man 2 - Finished it, amazing game. Miles is still my favorite of the three Spider-Man games but some of the main missions in S-M 2 are incredible.
The Stanley parable - finished and platinumed. Brilliant game, great humour. The end is really never the end with this game. Not even sure I´ve seen all the game has to offer but having seen most of it I can put it down now.
Star Wars: Tales from the galaxys edge VR - not been feeling the urge to play it at all since last week, which is pretty telling. Mediocre game, but I think I´m gonna drop it. There are other games I want to play instead.
A Plague Tale - Requiem - I played this back at release on the Series S but I'm going back to it now on the PS5 pro, really enjoying the game. Loved the first one as well, need to add the platinum of Requiem to the collection as it bugs me otherwise. Yes I’m wierd like that 😂
Re: Microsoft's 'VP Of Next-Gen' Seems To Think That Xbox Console Hardware Isn't Under Threat
@fatpunkslim
I dont really know where to start...
I hate to break it to you but you are wrong on almost every point you make. I´ll just stop there.
Re: Microsoft Is Apparently Working On Some Big Improvements To Xbox Cloud Gaming
@trev666
Wireless consoles can be one of the reasons but not the only one, there are many things that affect how good streaming games work for different people.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (January 11-12)
Managed to get quite a bit of game time since last week 😊
Jusant - Finished it, what an epic journey. Really enjoyed it, so much so I got the platinum.
Cocoon - Got reminded in EGs game of 2024 list that I had started but for some reason not finished EGs GOTY for 2023. Really cool game, it did fry my brain with some of the puzzles so I had to use a guide at some points. Very clever and very good game 😊
Spider-man 2 - Doing a ng+ and Im enjoying it, amazing (😊) game. Some of the main missions are just superb. Playing it on fidelity pro 40 fps and it looks so, so good. Usually prefer 60 fps but finally having a TV supporting this mode makes it my new favorite, perfect mix between quality and performance.
The Stanley parable - Fun little game, nice dry humour. Need to get the platinum for this, its an interesting list but that one trophy that requires you to play for a full Tuesday is going to be a bitch however its done 😅
Star Wars: Tales from the galaxys edge VR - its “free” on plus, might as well play it. Just an hour or two in, its mediocre so far but shooting lasers if still fun and its Star Wars so I´ll play some more 😊
Re: Rumour: Final Fantasy 7 Remake & Rebirth Supposedly 'Confirmed' For Xbox In 2025 / 2026
Loved both games, nice of more gamers get to play them!
Re: Rumour: Leaker Names Two More Xbox Games Possibly Going Multiplatform In 2025
Halo Masterchief Collection is a day 1 on my ps5 of that happens, just for the hell of playing Halo on Playstation 😯
Re: Game Pass Titles 'Lose Around 80%' Of Sales On Xbox, Claims Reporter
@Banjo-
If we’re specifically talking about game pass, then sales on other platforms or mobile are not included. MS makes tons of money outside of game pass, but isolating game pass means we dont know if its profitable as those numbers are not shared (and Phils word doesnt mean much here). MS/xbox actions, as I and Mightant are pointing out, tells the story that its not doing good enough for MS/Xbox,. But hey, we’ll find out in due time.
Re: Multiple Xbox Games Nominated For 14th Annual New York Game Awards
Indy deserves a reward or two here, awesome game!
Re: Game Pass Titles 'Lose Around 80%' Of Sales On Xbox, Claims Reporter
@Rog-X
It would be super annoying though but yeah, I would keep my GPU mainly since my son plays on the a Xbox a lot.
Re: Game Pass Titles 'Lose Around 80%' Of Sales On Xbox, Claims Reporter
@Coletrain
I hope you are right that its profitable, that would hopefully mean no ads or such in the future
Re: Game Pass Titles 'Lose Around 80%' Of Sales On Xbox, Claims Reporter
@Banjo-
Must have missed those reports…
Re: Game Pass Titles 'Lose Around 80%' Of Sales On Xbox, Claims Reporter
@Banjo- you are confusing spending, earnings and profit. We dont have all the numbers so if gamepass is profitable is a guess.
Given the price increases, closing of loopholes and Xbox exclusives going multiplatform Im not so sure their model is doing good enough.
Re: Next Xbox Console: Everything We Know So Far About Microsoft's Next-Gen System
Given the ”Everything is an Xbox” thing MS is pushing I dont really care about the next Xbox as I’ll get to play the games without one and might as well just get a Playstation and a Switch 2.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (January 4-5)
Zelda - echoes of wisdom - Its really a special feeling to play a new Zelda game 🙂 Been on a family vacation and the switch is just perfect to bring! I really enjoy the game, love the visuals and that its a top down view, brings me back to LttP 🙂 it is however, imho, a bit heavy on the echoes focus and it feels to gimmicky. Need a bridge or a tower to climb on, build it from gravity defying beds. Need to heal during a boss fight, make a bed and sleep in it between boss attacks... But its a minor complaint really! Now we're back home Im thinking about pausing it until next trip, we'll see.
Jusant - wanted a relaxing game on the ps5 in between other games and this is perfect for that!
Re: Black Myth: Wukong's Xbox Saga Just Got A Whole Lot More Confusing
Yeah. Love my series S but we all know its limitations, so I can understand they are having some trouble with the port. Shouldnt be impossible though.
Re: 30 Xbox Series X|S Games To Look Forward To In 2025
On the Xbox I’ll be playing Avowed and Atomfall thanks to gamepass, hopefully both will be great!
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (December 28-29)
Hope you all are enjoying the holidays! Finished some games, tried some games and started a game Ive been looking forward to 🙂
Indy - finished it earlier in the week and loved it! It had a good story and fun gameplay (stealth being a bit of a weak point imo) and exploration and most importantly it felt like a great adventure! I can see myself double dip for this game and get it on the ps5 when on a sale 🙂
Behemoth PSVR2 - also finished, and platinumed, which meant playing it twice. Ive enjoyed the game a lot, I like the setting and the fighting and the boss fights are pretty cool. The game could use more polish though, some minor bugs squashed and improvement to controls would be welcome. My own review score? A weak 4 out of 5, but of you are unsure of you like this kind of game wait for a sale or a demo/trial 🙂
Forspoken - Been giving it a couple of hours, but decided to drop it. Its not a bad game, but its not a good one either and I didnt feel like it was worth my time, at least not right now.
Sonic frontiers - Didnt click for me, again not a bad game just not for me.
Zelda - echoes of wisdom - Its really a special feeling to play a new Zelda game 🙂 Currently on a family vacation and I basically just started playing but I feel like I will enjoy it 🙂
Re: Poll: How Many Xbox Games Have You Actually Bought In 2024?
I got Dark Souls 3 on disc as my son wanted it for his birthday but other than that its mainly GPU games, and he plays some free to play games as well. Trying to keep our Xboxes and gamepass-machines only!
Re: Pure Xbox's Game Of The Year 2024
For games played on Xbox its a pretty easy win for Indy for me, amazing game Also enjoyed Hellblade 2. And nice to see some love for SW Outlaws 🙂
Re: Merry Christmas And Happy Holidays From All Of Us At Pure Xbox!
Merry Christmas y’all!
Re: Bethesda Games Would Be 'Better' On UE5, Claims Former Skyrim Artist
Hopefully they dont use the creation engine for the next Elder Scrolls, feels like they’ve reached their limit with that engine and I dont want it to look and play like if Starfield has a fantasy setting mod.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (December 21-22)
Bit of a boring update as Im still playing the same games as last weekend, however I did end up getting a ps5 pro. The games first 🙂
Indy - Love this game. Really hits that big adventure feeling I’ve missed since the last Uncharted and Tomb Raider games. Great story, great sense of exploration and discovery. Cant wait to play more!
Behemoth PSVR 2 - Im in the last part of the game I think. The third part of the game wasnt as good as the first two imo but its picking up again in the fourth part. Its still a bit buggy at times and controls could be a bit more precise, but its still very fun to play imo. Dual wielding and axe and a sword at the moment, both of which you can throw and retrieve Kratos style. Pretty awesome! But, I would still recommend waiting for some patches and probably a sale!
Ps5 pro - so, I got the ”perfect excuse” to get one as the kids have been playing on my old Ps4 which is now starting to give up it feels like. First I thought Id get them a ps5 slim but then I thought its not that much more for a pro and they can have my ps5. So everyone wins, right? 😁 I gotta say Im pretty happy with the pro and the improvements to the games thats got a pro patch, especially for the first party games. It looks amazing in performance pro mode 🤩
Now, I just need a better TV and it just so happens that we need a new one in the cabin… 😉
Re: Xbox Series X|S Architect Officially Named 'VP Of Next-Generation' At Microsoft
Unless something changes with MS strategy and they dont release all their games on other consoles in the future, I’ll be getting one. Otherwise its sort of pointless having an Xbox next gen.
Re: Four More Call Of Duty Titles Seemingly Being Prepared For Xbox Game Pass
Its been taking so long its getting a bit silly now, so really hope they get older CoDs on gamepass asap!
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (December 14-15)
Mainly Indy on the Series S and Behemoth on the PS5. Both are very good games 😀
Re: Xbox's Hellblade 2 Brings Home Multiple Awards At TGA 2024
Well deserved, the sound is amazing and a great performance from Melina!
Re: Indiana Jones And The Great Circle Is Now Available On Xbox Game Pass (December 9)
@themightyant
Yeah, its false advertising and pay to play day 1 is a new trend I really dont like so lets keep reminding everyone it sucks!
"Play Day 4 on Game Pass" made me lol though
Re: Indiana Jones And The Great Circle Is Now Available On Xbox Game Pass (December 9)
"Today, Bethesda's Indiana Jones and the Great Circle launches day one on the service"
Saying its day one is a bit rich though, given it released last week if you paid extra for it.
That said, cant wait to play tonight
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (December 7-8)
Mainly Behemoth on PSVR 2 which is very good, controls couls be a little better but other than that its really fun!
Also some Marvel Rivals, which I like and probably will keep playing.
Next week I’ll start Indy 😀
Re: Review: Indiana Jones And The Great Circle (Xbox) - A MachineGames Misfire
Really looking forward to play Indy next week! As for the score, it just means this reviewer didnt like it as much as others (and many sites have scored it higher) which is fair enough and nothing to cry about! What would be the point of reviews on PureXbox of they gave all Xbox games a perfect score just because?
Re: Xbox Handheld Has A Big Potential Advantage Thanks To The Series S
@BacklogBrad as a Series S owner, not sure I agree on games running great on the machine… some games sure, but some are almost unplayable. Hopefully theres something Xbox can learn from that when developing a handheld console.
Re: Microsoft Adds Another Free Dynamic Background On Xbox Series X|S
Still prefer the Cyberpunk one but really looking forward to play Indy 🙂
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (November 30 - December 1)
Since dropping Stalker 2, waiting for it to be patched etc, Ive played Neva. It was awesome, from the same developer that made Gris. Of you liked Gris, you need to play Neva!
Also waiting for some games coming in december, Indy being one of them
Re: Rumour: Forza Horizon 5 'Will Arrive' On PS5, Despite A Delay From Xbox
Me personally isnt the biggest fan of FH 5 but I do think it would sell well on Playstation.
Seing some comments about FM being better than GT? You are entitled to your opinion but its hard to take that seriously… add VR to GT and its so much better its not even funny !
Re: Black Ops 6 Biggest Ever Call Of Duty Launch Month, According To Activision
It was a good campaign so Im happy, nice to see that its well recieved over all. Would prefer to have sales reported instead of ”engagement” though, but guess with the game being on gamepass sales makes it seem a bit less successful!
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (November 23-24)
Finished some great games since last week
HZD remaster - So I've finished and platinumed this awesome game again. Loved it 😃
CoD Blops 6 - finished the campaign and enjoyed it a lot. Very nice to have a good CoD campaign after the last few really ***** ones.
And I've started Stalker 2. Im a bit torn about this game. On one hand Im enjoying it and really like this kind of game and on the other hand its really rough. Playing on the Series S isnt helping... but it isnt just the technical and buggy side of things it also feels like the game wont last me very long since the story is already lost on me and it then becomes very repetetive playing the almost same things over and over. Still, will keep playing since there are some good parts but I might not keep playing for 40ish hours to finish it on its current state.
Re: Review: Stalker 2 (Xbox) - GSC Game World's Long-Awaited Sequel Is A Mess
4/10 is pretty brutal, would give it a higher score myself but yeah, the game is far from perfect. The hours I´ve played have been fun but I can see myself run out of steam to keep playing as it feels like I´ve seen all there is pretty soon and then it´ll be just doing the same things over and over.
Re: Stalker 2 Invisible Enemy: How To Defeat Bloodsuckers & Poltergeists
@RiverGenie
Theres also the not always great framerate and controls and what feels like lag to deal with on the S which makes it so, so much harder. One pack of normal dogs that attacker at night and bad weather cost me three full mags cause I couldnt hit ***** and I had to use almost all of my medical stuff 😂 so yeah, now I just run like crazy
Re: Stalker 2 Invisible Enemy: How To Defeat Bloodsuckers & Poltergeists
Eh, these guys are fairly simple. Fighting a pack of dogs on the Series S is my new worst nightmare… 😱
Re: Site News: Where's Our Stalker 2 Review?
@themightyant
All very valid points. Some of those issues I dont think will ever be fixed but hopefully some bugs and framerate issues can be sorted out.
Im still enjoying the game but not as much as I would if it was in a better state so you are def doing the smart thing by waiting, meanwhile Im doing some betatesting for you all
Re: Site News: Where's Our Stalker 2 Review?
@themightyant
So, I’ve finished the prologue and performance on the Series S is a little choppy but no bugs yet, but I imagine there’ll be a few in a game like this which is ok as long as its not game breaking. The son plays on his Series X and performance seems fine, he went with quality mode though as performance mode wasnt really smooth apparently.
I’ll keep playing for a bit longer and if theres no bugs I’ll keep going otherwise I’ll just drop it and wait for patches!
Re: Site News: Where's Our Stalker 2 Review?
@themightyant absolutely, I’ll get back to you tonight if I manage an hour or two otherwise in a day or two 🙂
Re: Site News: Where's Our Stalker 2 Review?
Eh, I´ll bite the bullet and try it tonight on my series S anyway. Hopefully the worst of it is patched...