@Lupaie79 I borrowed a friends PS4 last year to play Spider-Man and don’t recall it having that issue. It’s annoying Xbox doesn’t even acknowledge it let alone fix it. Especially in their recommended TVs
@Lupaie79 that’s a problem with Xbox unfortunately. Stereo is mostly in sync but the more surround you add the more delayed it gets. So windows sonic is delayed and atmos is more delayed still. It’s gets made worse by using gaming mode on your TV because that displays the image faster then the sound plays to give you a faster response time. Not really sure what the fix is as the delay will be different for every TV out there. Using headphones plugged into your controller improves the sync dramatically if you haven’t tried it.
This reminds me of spending days typing code from magazines Into a 48k spectrum to make a basic game and then the dog knocking the dodgy power lead and it resetting. 😭
One downside of smart update is there doesn’t seem to be a way to get these updated xbox versions to media ahead of time which means when the update hits the news cycle is all about the PS5 update because that was able to be sent ahead of time to Digital foundry ect.
So all the footage shown and talk about it is PS5 based which kinda sucks the oxygen out of things for team green. If Xbox is mentioned at its ‘and xbox gets an update too’ tacked on to the end. I know it’s a little thing, but this is how mind share is won.
Last summer the reverse was true. With Xbox showing their games first every next gen discussion or video was illustrated with Xbox game footage because that’s literally all there was to show, even when talking about PS5. I think that really helped Xbox get to the great place they’re in today.
@OliverOwen because there aren’t any games right now made for series X. All these games are running on old code through backwards compatibility.
It’s like playing tape cassettes from the 90s through a modern Dolby Atmos system and saying “why isn’t this surround? I thought Atmos was suppose to be amazing”.
Give them them to make games for the series X and you’ll see. 👍
@GamingFan4Lyf look forward to trying it later today. I appreciate many don’t notice the delay. I envy you I really do. But it’s easy to confirm it’s there. Turn your sound up on your tv and have one ear of headphones in and you can hear the mis match in sound delay with an echo.
You can also Film your regular TV with your phone then film your TV with the audio and compare the sound waves in an editing program like premiere or final cut. I did to confirm I wasn’t going mad lol.
Also as the Xbox defaults to window sonic surround which has a delay it’s possible you’ve never seen it in actual sync properly and are just used to it.
@Nermannn wireless headsets with USB dongles you plug in seem to have lower latency then headsets that use XBoxes own protocol. And I think part of it is complicated by TVs. Having game mode shows the image quicker then it should by definition that’s how it feels more responsive. So I’m not sure how we fix it.
I can’t say it’s something I noticed with the PS4 Pro a buddy leant me to play Spider-Man last year so Sony may well handle audio in a way that doesn’t have the same issue as Xbox.
Discussing with you has actually made me wonder if you can enable atmos over a wired headset connected to the pad ? If that’s the case and wiring headphones for me puts the audio before the image then adding the delay of windows sonic or Dolby may sync things back up 😆
The atmos fee is also regularly on sale too. I got it a while back on sale but don’t use it because of the audio lag it introduces. It’s the one of the few things I hate with Xbox and no one seems to mention it. It being stereo is fine. Windows sonic is slightly laggy and Dolby Atmos is even more delayed. Admittedly working in video production it’s something I’m super sensitive to but it’s still annoying. Xbox One X was the same. The best fix I can find is to plug my headphones (Arctic 9] into the controller and that actually swings things the other way. It’s nearly spot on but the sound comes a little before the picture then. But it’s the closest I can get it without go out of gaming mode on my TV and introducing noticeable controller lag.
@Richnj good catch on the full content of the quote. That’s like people quoting Steve Jobs “Good artists copy, great artists Steal” out of context to make a different point.
Guessing at least Fallout4 and Skyrim have to be in the list for FPS boost as they've both been shown running at 60fps other ways. It now makes sense Fallout 4 not being part of the first official FPS boost titles if it was held back to be part of a batch of Bethesda themed Boosted games.
I’ve said this since day one anything contractually obliged will be PS everything else will be Xbox and and been argued with even in comments here on pure Xbox. Even now people will read Phil’s statement and see what they want to see. But it seems very straightforward.
I wondered when I’d see stories out of Phil’s comments. He really didn’t say that much in the context of the documentary. What he did say was great though. And says a lot he took part as no one from Sony did.
This is so cool. It’s great to see Xbox out there firing on all cylinders. 😀 I think this kind of timely pop cultural ad is much more effective then the abstract type.
Watching the recent ‘Nintendo: Playing with Power’ documentary this reminds me of the early Sega years when they were fighting against the incumbent Nintendo. 😀
@Grumblevolcano really? Mine updates automatically and unless a menu changes or I manually check for the version number everything’s as speedy as always.
@FraserG I’ll add it to the wish list and wait for a sale or game pass. Looking at the list of Bethesda games not on game pass and presumably coming later this week I’ve bought all of them on sale to play one day. Oops. Ah well. Story of my life lol.
Anything in the works or contractually obliged to ship on PlayStation still will but I seriously doubt any Bethesda studio will be working on PS games 2 or 3 years from now.
@themightyant sure. I’m lucky enough to live in a city where fibre is accessible to everyone. But taking a super high level view of the “wow CD’s and DVD’s are great but when will everyone even have this’ situation I mentioned at the turn of the century. Even today, not every has access to those do they?
Just like the internet. Many people don’t have access to the internet at any speed. Yet many games sell digital only. So at what point do you deem a technology has reached mass penetration enough to call it ‘the norm’?
Maybe it’s because I lived through that once but it just seems like history repeating itself and 20yrs from now where streaming is the norm people will be discussing how VR can’t be the future because not everyone has fast enough cyber razer cuts. (Bonus points for anyone who gets that reference)
@Dezzy70 lol it’s true to be fair. 4K streaming gets as high as 40ish on Apple TV shows but generally past 100mbps its diminishing returns for sure. I jumped to the 900mbps package (£80pm) because it came with a higher upload speed and I run a YouTube channel so was worth it to me. Before that the package was 400mbps (£50pm) and even then very few things max that out. OS updates from Apple maybe but very few things have the bandwidth to throw that much data at you. While I have seen games on Xbox download as high as 650mbps that’s usually a brief spike in speed and very rare. In general Xbox downloads bounce around 200-350mbps and can as slow as 25mbps at peak times. I’d say in practical use anything past 75-100mbps down is gravy unless you specifically know you need it.
@Dezzy70 I feel you. For the longest time the rest of my city had much faster ADSL speeds and my street was just outside the cut off point. I figure my good speed now is karma for putting up with 3mbps down and 30kbps up for so long. And I ran a video business with that lol. Your time will come. 👍
@themightyant that’s fair. I was a beta tester for GeForce Now on a Mac with a much slower speed for a number of years before I got back into console gaming. It worked fantastically so I can appreciate the way things are headed. Eventually whether streaming or local it will all be the same - just games.
In a broader sense this discussion is kind of like floppies switching to CDs and then DVDs in the late nineties / early naughties. I remember then the arguments against it, not everyone had a CD drive, it was much slower access ect. But eventually all those problems went away. This will be the same. Btw my ping is 1ms 😆
No way these titles come out on PlayStation unless they were fully baked and contractually signed before the deal closed. Like was the case with Psychonauts 2 and Outer Worlds ect.
Sony didn’t buy Insomniac, say “you did so great with sunset overdrive why ditch those dev skills” and release Spider-Man for Xbox because it would make more money.
Typing that seems ludicrous but that’s the logic everyone is applying to Microsoft here for some reason. 🤷♂️
I’m sure I’ve seen downloads as high as 650mbps on my series x from my 900mbps connection. But my isp does throttle Xbox downloads to around 25-40mbps on the evenings. Which sucks.
Really got into sniper elite 4 after playing it for a rewards challenge. So much that I got the deluxe ultimate whatever it’s called on sale. So while the starting line up could have more heavy hitters this is pretty cool.
@Deadcow same here. By the time it’s delisted it will have either been free on games with gold or be forever on sale at 7.99 like forza horizon 3 was fin it’s last months available two it’s an easy buy.
@LegendOfPeach Yeah, thats' the other thing. It seems really region dependent and watching reward channels on YouTube like chicken possible there are always rewards in the US not available in the UK and vice versa that aren't accounted for in these lists.
Also I don't do the emails. I don't even know what they are? lol
@themightyant I’m sure there’s also more ‘click here for surprise bonus rewards’ then they are mentioning too.
The game score for points thing happens a few times a year but obviously depends on how many gamer score you get in that time. I only managed around 1000 last month.
All I can say is doing everything regularly every month it somehow works out that way. 🤷♂️
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Re: Talking Point: What's Your First Resident Evil Memory?
I remember “Jill, Master of unlocking.” And still joke about it with friends.
Re: Xbox Takes Home Multiple Awards At The SXSW 2021 Gaming Awards
Hoping Hades comes to Xbox at some point.
Re: Talking Point: What April 2021 Xbox Games With Gold Do You Want?
@Dezzy70 I pay for sky for my dad and it costs £85pm and no one can quite explain why. 😭
Re: Get Ready, Dolby Vision Support Is Coming To Games On Xbox Series X
@Lupaie79 I borrowed a friends PS4 last year to play Spider-Man and don’t recall it having that issue. It’s annoying Xbox doesn’t even acknowledge it let alone fix it. Especially in their recommended TVs
Re: Get Ready, Dolby Vision Support Is Coming To Games On Xbox Series X
Great news. Really enjoy Dolby Vision on my Sony OLED and looking forward to seeing it in games.
Re: Get Ready, Dolby Vision Support Is Coming To Games On Xbox Series X
@Lupaie79 that’s a problem with Xbox unfortunately. Stereo is mostly in sync but the more surround you add the more delayed it gets. So windows sonic is delayed and atmos is more delayed still. It’s gets made worse by using gaming mode on your TV because that displays the image faster then the sound plays to give you a faster response time. Not really sure what the fix is as the delay will be different for every TV out there. Using headphones plugged into your controller improves the sync dramatically if you haven’t tried it.
Re: Soapbox: 15 Years Later, I'm Still Not Over The Poison Apple That Ruined My Elder Scrolls: Oblivion Save
This reminds me of spending days typing code from magazines Into a 48k spectrum to make a basic game and then the dog knocking the dodgy power lead and it resetting. 😭
Re: It’s 2021, And There’s A New Zorro Game Coming To Xbox Series X
I love Zorro. This actually looks pretty good.
Re: Thanks To Smart Delivery, Marvel's Avengers Is A Much Easier Upgrade On Xbox Than PS5
One downside of smart update is there doesn’t seem to be a way to get these updated xbox versions to media ahead of time which means when the update hits the news cycle is all about the PS5 update because that was able to be sent ahead of time to Digital foundry ect.
So all the footage shown and talk about it is PS5 based which kinda sucks the oxygen out of things for team green. If Xbox is mentioned at its ‘and xbox gets an update too’ tacked on to the end. I know it’s a little thing, but this is how mind share is won.
Last summer the reverse was true. With Xbox showing their games first every next gen discussion or video was illustrated with Xbox game footage because that’s literally all there was to show, even when talking about PS5. I think that really helped Xbox get to the great place they’re in today.
Re: Thanks To Smart Delivery, Marvel's Avengers Is A Much Easier Upgrade On Xbox Than PS5
It’s cool it’s 30 GB less. Makes up for Call of Duty being 250GB on PlayStation I guess.
Re: Thanks To Smart Delivery, Marvel's Avengers Is A Much Easier Upgrade On Xbox Than PS5
“This is how you upgrade on Xbox” needs to be a short commercial like the “This is how you share games on PS” from last gen.
Re: Xbox Fans Find Sneaky Way To Make Fallout's FPS Boost Work At 4K
@abe_hikura it’s 1080p for both games.
Re: Guide: All Games With FPS Boosts On Xbox Series X & Xbox Series S
Still holding out hope that Left 4 Dead 2 gets an FPS boost 😀
Re: Another Huge Assassin's Creed Valhalla Patch Is Arriving Tomorrow, With New Content And Fixes
Is the camera animation judder issue in cut scenes that digital foundry mentioned was only on Xbox fixed yet? That would drive me nuts.
Re: PSA: FPS Boost Needs To Be Turned On Manually For Fallout On Xbox Series X
@OliverOwen because there aren’t any games right now made for series X. All these games are running on old code through backwards compatibility.
It’s like playing tape cassettes from the 90s through a modern Dolby Atmos system and saying “why isn’t this surround? I thought Atmos was suppose to be amazing”.
Give them them to make games for the series X and you’ll see. 👍
Re: It's Official, Outriders Is Coming To Xbox Game Pass At Launch
Outstanding. Can’t wait to play this. Go Xbox!
Re: The New Xbox Wireless Headset Comes With 6 Months Of Dolby Atmos
@GamingFan4Lyf can’t say I blame you 😀
Re: The New Xbox Wireless Headset Comes With 6 Months Of Dolby Atmos
@G8crasha absolutely. It’s incredible.
Re: The New Xbox Wireless Headset Comes With 6 Months Of Dolby Atmos
@GamingFan4Lyf look forward to trying it later today. I appreciate many don’t notice the delay. I envy you I really do. But it’s easy to confirm it’s there. Turn your sound up on your tv and have one ear of headphones in and you can hear the mis match in sound delay with an echo.
You can also Film your regular TV with your phone then film your TV with the audio and compare the sound waves in an editing program like premiere or final cut. I did to confirm I wasn’t going mad lol.
Also as the Xbox defaults to window sonic surround which has a delay it’s possible you’ve never seen it in actual sync properly and are just used to it.
Re: The New Xbox Wireless Headset Comes With 6 Months Of Dolby Atmos
@Nermannn wireless headsets with USB dongles you plug in seem to have lower latency then headsets that use XBoxes own protocol. And I think part of it is complicated by TVs. Having game mode shows the image quicker then it should by definition that’s how it feels more responsive. So I’m not sure how we fix it.
I can’t say it’s something I noticed with the PS4 Pro a buddy leant me to play Spider-Man last year so Sony may well handle audio in a way that doesn’t have the same issue as Xbox.
Discussing with you has actually made me wonder if you can enable atmos over a wired headset connected to the pad ? If that’s the case and wiring headphones for me puts the audio before the image then adding the delay of windows sonic or Dolby may sync things back up 😆
Re: The New Xbox Wireless Headset Comes With 6 Months Of Dolby Atmos
The atmos fee is also regularly on sale too. I got it a while back on sale but don’t use it because of the audio lag it introduces. It’s the one of the few things I hate with Xbox and no one seems to mention it. It being stereo is fine. Windows sonic is slightly laggy and Dolby Atmos is even more delayed. Admittedly working in video production it’s something I’m super sensitive to but it’s still annoying. Xbox One X was the same. The best fix I can find is to plug my headphones (Arctic 9] into the controller and that actually swings things the other way. It’s nearly spot on but the sound comes a little before the picture then. But it’s the closest I can get it without go out of gaming mode on my TV and introducing noticeable controller lag.
Re: Xbox Is Reportedly 'Heavily Involved' With Big Third Party Studios For Future Exclusives
@Richnj good catch on the full content of the quote. That’s like people quoting Steve Jobs “Good artists copy, great artists Steal” out of context to make a different point.
Re: Site News: Pure Xbox Officially Relaunched One Year Ago Today!
Congrats. This is the one place I check multiple times a day for Xbox news.
Re: 'Handful' Of Bethesda Games To Receive FPS Boosts On Xbox Series X|S
Guessing at least Fallout4 and Skyrim have to be in the list for FPS boost as they've both been shown running at 60fps other ways. It now makes sense Fallout 4 not being part of the first official FPS boost titles if it was held back to be part of a batch of Bethesda themed Boosted games.
Re: Beyond A Steel Sky Will Make Its Way Onto Xbox Later This Year
Very cool. Would love the original Beneath a Steel Sky on Xbox too.
Re: Xbox Will Deliver Exclusive Bethesda Games 'Where Game Pass Exists'
I’ve said this since day one anything contractually obliged will be PS everything else will be Xbox and and been argued with even in comments here on pure Xbox. Even now people will read Phil’s statement and see what they want to see. But it seems very straightforward.
Re: Phil Spencer Explains Why Xbox Originally Decided To Compete Against PlayStation
I wondered when I’d see stories out of Phil’s comments. He really didn’t say that much in the context of the documentary. What he did say was great though. And says a lot he took part as no one from Sony did.
Re: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Return In A Side-Scrolling Brawler Later This Year
Sold. Insta buy day one.
Re: Xbox Series X Advert Shows The Avengers What They Missed After Thanos Blipped Them Out Of Existence
This is so cool. It’s great to see Xbox out there firing on all cylinders. 😀 I think this kind of timely pop cultural ad is much more effective then the abstract type.
Watching the recent ‘Nintendo: Playing with Power’ documentary this reminds me of the early Sega years when they were fighting against the incumbent Nintendo. 😀
Re: Here's What's Included In The Xbox March 2021 Update
@Grumblevolcano really? Mine updates automatically and unless a menu changes or I manually check for the version number everything’s as speedy as always.
Re: Mini Review: Pacer - The Closest Thing To Wipeout On Xbox
@FraserG I’ll add it to the wish list and wait for a sale or game pass. Looking at the list of Bethesda games not on game pass and presumably coming later this week I’ve bought all of them on sale to play one day. Oops. Ah well. Story of my life lol.
Re: Microsoft Officially Welcomes Bethesda To Team Xbox
Anything in the works or contractually obliged to ship on PlayStation still will but I seriously doubt any Bethesda studio will be working on PS games 2 or 3 years from now.
Re: Mini Review: Pacer - The Closest Thing To Wipeout On Xbox
Is this on game pass?
Re: Video: Here's A Look At PC Games Running On Xbox Using GeForce Now
God of War here we come 😀
Re: Microsoft's Acquisition Of Bethesda's Parent Company Nears Completion
@themightyant sure. I’m lucky enough to live in a city where fibre is accessible to everyone. But taking a super high level view of the “wow CD’s and DVD’s are great but when will everyone even have this’ situation I mentioned at the turn of the century. Even today, not every has access to those do they?
Just like the internet. Many people don’t have access to the internet at any speed. Yet many games sell digital only. So at what point do you deem a technology has reached mass penetration enough to call it ‘the norm’?
Maybe it’s because I lived through that once but it just seems like history repeating itself and 20yrs from now where streaming is the norm people will be discussing how VR can’t be the future because not everyone has fast enough cyber razer cuts. (Bonus points for anyone who gets that reference)
Re: Microsoft's Acquisition Of Bethesda's Parent Company Nears Completion
@Dezzy70 lol it’s true to be fair. 4K streaming gets as high as 40ish on Apple TV shows but generally past 100mbps its diminishing returns for sure. I jumped to the 900mbps package (£80pm) because it came with a higher upload speed and I run a YouTube channel so was worth it to me. Before that the package was 400mbps (£50pm) and even then very few things max that out. OS updates from Apple maybe but very few things have the bandwidth to throw that much data at you. While I have seen games on Xbox download as high as 650mbps that’s usually a brief spike in speed and very rare. In general Xbox downloads bounce around 200-350mbps and can as slow as 25mbps at peak times. I’d say in practical use anything past 75-100mbps down is gravy unless you specifically know you need it.
Re: Microsoft's Acquisition Of Bethesda's Parent Company Nears Completion
@Dezzy70 I feel you. For the longest time the rest of my city had much faster ADSL speeds and my street was just outside the cut off point. I figure my good speed now is karma for putting up with 3mbps down and 30kbps up for so long. And I ran a video business with that lol. Your time will come. 👍
Re: Microsoft's Acquisition Of Bethesda's Parent Company Nears Completion
@themightyant that’s fair. I was a beta tester for GeForce Now on a Mac with a much slower speed for a number of years before I got back into console gaming. It worked fantastically so I can appreciate the way things are headed. Eventually whether streaming or local it will all be the same - just games.
In a broader sense this discussion is kind of like floppies switching to CDs and then DVDs in the late nineties / early naughties. I remember then the arguments against it, not everyone had a CD drive, it was much slower access ect. But eventually all those problems went away. This will be the same. Btw my ping is 1ms 😆
Re: Microsoft's Acquisition Of Bethesda's Parent Company Nears Completion
@Dezzy70 not everywhere in the UK. I’m on 900mbps here in Yorkshire of all places.
Re: Aliens: Fireteam Brings Co-Op Survival Action To Xbox This Summer
I am so down for this. 🥚
Re: Yakuza Producer Wants To See More Games In The Franchise Come To The West
Yes please. Give us all of them.
Re: Guide: Best Xbox Series X Games
@themightyant that’s on my wish list and will take the plunge when it’s under a tenner. 🙃
Re: Expect Microsoft To Host Bethesda Event Sometime In Mid-March, Says Industry Insider
@VenomousAlbino I KNOW right? It’s crazy and I really don’t understand the double standard.
Re: Expect Microsoft To Host Bethesda Event Sometime In Mid-March, Says Industry Insider
No way these titles come out on PlayStation unless they were fully baked and contractually signed before the deal closed. Like was the case with Psychonauts 2 and Outer Worlds ect.
Sony didn’t buy Insomniac, say “you did so great with sunset overdrive why ditch those dev skills” and release Spider-Man for Xbox because it would make more money.
Typing that seems ludicrous but that’s the logic everyone is applying to Microsoft here for some reason. 🤷♂️
Re: Xbox Now Tells You When You're Throttling Your Download Speeds
I’m sure I’ve seen downloads as high as 650mbps on my series x from my 900mbps connection. But my isp does throttle Xbox downloads to around 25-40mbps on the evenings. Which sucks.
Re: Microsoft Unveils The First Batch Of 'FPS Boost' Games For Xbox Series X|S
Really got into sniper elite 4 after playing it for a rewards challenge. So much that I got the deluxe ultimate whatever it’s called on sale. So while the starting line up could have more heavy hitters this is pretty cool.
Re: Tales From The Borderlands Has Relaunched On Xbox Today
Played and enjoyed most of the telltale games and this is by far the best with wolf among us being a close second.
Got the physical disc second hand because it was delisted but have added the new digital version to my wish list and will wait for a sale to grab it.
Re: SEGA Is 'Really Happy' With The Results Of Xbox Game Pass
@Deadcow same here. By the time it’s delisted it will have either been free on games with gold or be forever on sale at 7.99 like forza horizon 3 was fin it’s last months available two it’s an easy buy.
Re: How To Earn Free Xbox Gift Cards Every Month With Microsoft Rewards
@LegendOfPeach Yeah, thats' the other thing. It seems really region dependent and watching reward channels on YouTube like chicken possible there are always rewards in the US not available in the UK and vice versa that aren't accounted for in these lists.
Also I don't do the emails. I don't even know what they are? lol
Re: How To Earn Free Xbox Gift Cards Every Month With Microsoft Rewards
@themightyant I’m sure there’s also more ‘click here for surprise bonus rewards’ then they are mentioning too.
The game score for points thing happens a few times a year but obviously depends on how many gamer score you get in that time. I only managed around 1000 last month.
All I can say is doing everything regularly every month it somehow works out that way. 🤷♂️