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Used to love it and had a years long streak. Had 350k points at one time but haven’t bothered since they messed around with it and killed the stand alone app.

@Mustoe genuinely curious as to how you think that would work? I’ve been playing games since the 90s. I played MS flight sim back then. Should 2024 Microsoft be not green lighting games today because they owe a yearly license to plane manufacturers for a game in 98 that no one plays anymore?

FH4 has had six years of support more than any other horizon game. Anyone who was interested in playing will get to keep it. It does suck future generations won’t be able to get the DLC but they can still buy the base game second hand on disc. At least for a while anyway.

I’m guessing MS looked at the sales and stats and decided it wasn’t worth it to keep it going and rather put energy into FH6

Should MS be licensing the cars indefinitely so 20 years from now it’s still playable? Even at the cost of green lighting other games as the money has to come from somewhere?

@Altaria_97 I guess I was poking fun of the fact that PC gamers respond to anything they don’t like by pirating the game.

You can still purchase one of the editions legally and get all the DLC included. They will even be on sale soon as mentioned in the article.

Or you can go to one of the key places were the DLC is currently £6.

Both of these are legal ways to get the content you want without stealing from the developer.

@PhileasFragg every Forza Horizon (and Motorsport) game has been delisted around. 3-4 years after its launch. I had to buy the earlier ones second hand on physical disk to collect the set. The surprise with Horizon 4 it’s that’s it’s lasted 6yrs.

So I have game pass until 2026 but I stacked 3 month gift cards. I’m guessing that means I’m not a ‘full’ paid member as I’m not paying a monthly fee yet.

@Altaria_97 that will teach the Devs, by stealing their hard earned work because of a decision their owners made you’ll really teach them a lesson I guess?

@101Force I disagree. It would change the base gameplay. It's not just showing more of the sides.. its now jump kicking across the screen takes longer.. the timing of pushing someone up against the invisible wall would be off. It wouldn't be the original game then. I think you misunderstand how much work it would be to change these things. I'm not saying don't have them as an option but I suspect that would take a lot of work and these are just rooms running in an emulator.

@101Force wouldn't that fundamentally alter the gameplay as you wouldn't be able to juggle people against the sides in the same way?

@Banjo- is guess because likeness rights and voice performance would cost a ton

I had this when it was called Trespasser, made by Xbox Creator Seamus Blackey and voiced by Minnie Driver and Richard Attenborough.

Very cool. I just got a case for my backbone it it takes up a fair bit of space in my bag. I know it says for Android but is there anything to stop this working with an iPhone seeing as it's just bluetooth?

@PhileasFragg no. It’s not so much a ruffle feathers thing but you have to play the game. Also a lot of that was true at the time. They’ve had feedback from players and nearly a year to implement those features. Game Dev is hard. The goalposts are shifting constantly on a field of sand.

@shoeses DF did say it was. Avery good consistent 30fps.. also by the time it’s released it will be 9 months from launch which shows it’s not exactly a few lines of code you add in a morning.

@OnlyGaming is it biased if Playstation is consistently better even in small ways? Or are they just reporting facts you don't like?

@LX_FENIX That's kind of Digital Foundries thing to be fair.. if you don't like obsessive comparisons.. don't watch their videos. lol

Everyone saying MS should just say something.. clearly they haven’t decided what they’re doing yet so how can they say anything? Public pressure to rush decisions may not help things go the way the public wants. For me. I don’t think I’ve ever been closer to buying a PlayStation. If everything is multi-platform I might as well buy the console with the exclusives.

@Kaloudz far too sensible a response for a comments section

The only physical discs I have are back compat games that are no longer available digitalyl like early forza horizons or were never available digitally like that one Batman Arkham game (Origins?) that wasn’t made by Rocksteady. Other than that I have 700+ digital games somehow all bought in sales.

@StylesT it did. It was called Trespasser and came out about 20yrs ago. Was voiced by Minnie Driver. It was not good.

Trespasser. But good.

Had around 350K+ at one point but been spending them this year on some incredible sales.

Previously the only points I’d spent on a game was Cyberpunk on launch day. That worked out well 😆 never again will I buy a game day one.

Today I have around 130k. Waiting for Robocop to be on sale and will spend some then.

@RealFrowns to be fair I don’t recall them ever announcing it. Digital foundry saw it in a lab video. It wasn’t announced by Phil with a trailer. It doesn’t say it on the box. It’s only DF fans who knew it was ever a thing.

A lot of previews mentioned a rock solid performance mode but stuttery / juddery quality mode on series x in quality mode that seemed fundamentally broken. Probably why CDPR wouldn’t let anyone show footage before launch. Does anyone know if it shipped like that or was it fixed before launch ?

@shoeses I don’t know where to begin with that. You mention Rockstar owns all the music in their games? You do know they had to push an update to the original GTA4 that changed most of the music in the game?

It sounds like you have a very strong set of beliefs that no amount of facts will convince you of otherwise. So I’m going to agree with you.

You’re correct. It’s that’s easy and game devs (Phil Spencer in particular) is doing all of this out of spite because. You won. Congrats.

Batman: Arkham Origins, the none rockstar Batman game which is pretty good but often gets forgotten is backward compatible but never for a digital release so you have to track down a physical copy.

I have a razor Kishi and loved using it to play my home Xbox when travelling but at some point something changed and now it only works streaming from my Xbox to my phone on my home wifi.

Not sure what changed. An Xbox update or a router update or the xcloud back end maybe. I spent a day trying to trouble shoot it once and got all the green ticks on my Xbox with Nat forwarding ect (even though it worked fine previously them not being green) and then gave up.

I occasionally stream games direct from the cloud but not every game supports that and enjoyed streaming from my Xbox. Since it broke I’ve just fallen off using it.

@shoeses how do you know no one cares and no one is doing anything? You can care about game preservation and also understood the complicated legal realities of saving games and be unable to do anything.

Xbox certainly do more than most. Remember a lot of games that aren’t backwardly compatible aren’t due to technical reasons it’s because the rights to the code, art work, music, story, publishing ect are shared by 87 different people, often companies that don’t exist anymore making it impossible to ‘legally’ save them.

I’m not sure what Phil Spencer is is personally meant to do about that?

Do you think it’s more likely they had to remove the older versions of games you mention out of spite or because legally licenses were running out and because there was a remaster out they couldn’t justify paying to keep the old one alive?

@Kaloudz I agree. If anything the deal is good for competition. If I as a new company right now wanted to start a streaming service licensing the games is the sticking point.. with Microsoft having to license games to appear to be fair.. I instantly have all the MS catalogue to give me a fighting chance... I think Nvidia said the same thing.. with MS coming on board it will make it common place for games to be streamed as they're the 500 pound Gorilla making it normal and access to those games readily available. Edit, I'm also from the UK lol.

I genuinely don’t understand. There aren’t calls from PlayStation fans going crazy that Final Fantasy 16 is 30fps and demanding it be delayed. 🤷‍♂️

@ActionPanther that’s what put me off. Which version to get now is confusing. That might be the story version solo without online is 35 full price up but the package with both online and story is discounted to 16 maybe? Tempting.

Left 4 Dead everyday. The others would be great too. But Left 4 Dead 2 was the first game I installed on my Series X day 1 and hasn’t left my hard drive since.

Depending on how you parse the wording "you'll be able to play previously downloaded titles" could mean we need to have them downloaded locally to play them and they won't be available to download after 7th?

@ValentineMeikin I’m not sure what your place of employment is but do you take personal responsibility for decisions your boss makes?

I don’t see how you can call out these devs for doing exactly the job they were hired to do?

@EliJapan I’m not talking about paid stuff for street fighter. It was built in. But fair enough. Sounds like you’re not into cosmetics and that’s fine. Some people are (look at Fortnite) and that’s fine too. One doesn’t have to cancel the other out. Gaming is big enough for everyone to be happy.

@EliJapan they like the game and want to experience more content from that world. Or replay with a different skin. Didn’t you ever choose alternate colours for street fighter characters?

I loved it. But Apparently some Xbox fans are mad they didn’t show starfield at the event they said they wouldn’t show starfield at. And are also mad there were no surprises.. I guess Hi-Fi Rush being announced and launched doesn’t count? I don’t understand people sometimes. Lol

Kinda shocking that they only had 2100 replies. The amount of outrage online would suggest the feedback amount would be way higher. It’s shocking that someone who feels strongly either way about the deal would take the time to tweet or post a comment on a story like this - but. It actually drop a message to where it might actually do some good. And yes, I did contact the CMA. Lol.

@Spaceman-Spiff Didn't Digital Foundry say that was a stylistic choice? I think it happens on playstation too?

@Banjo- it does. But the games have to support Dolby atmos of which there aren’t that many and you have to have an atmos compatible set up or atmos sound bar.

It doesn’t turn regular the regular stero speakers in any TV into virtual surround. PS5 does that. It’s cool. It would be great if Xbox did that some day. But right now it doesn’t.

@InterceptorAlpha I don’t get what’s so hard to understand? If I play a game on Xbox through a regular TV. The sound that comes out the TV speakers is stereo. It’s not virtual surround. Whereas if you play the same game on PS5 the TV speakers become virtual surround. The Xbox does not do that. It can do that with headphones but not regular stereo speakers. Show me where the Xbox can do that?

@InterceptorAlpha you’re wrong. You’re talking about headphones. I’m talking about no headphones with the same effect coming from your TV speakers that anyone in the room can hear without wearing headphones. Xbox does not have this. Neither does switch.

@NEStalgia you’re getting confused. Can you point me to other TVs that through the use of tv stereo speakers alone give the same quality virtual surround effect that Sony pioneered in their TVs and than through PS5 adds that capability to any TV? It’s really cool. You may not like it. But be great if Xbox had something similar. I get this is an Xbox site and yah boo PlayStation but credit where credit is due. It’s cool.

There’s a difference between Sony 3D audio and Xbox. PS5 does audio voodoo basically to fool your ears into hearing virtual surround. It does this with just two TV speakers. That’s how I play my series X on my Sony OLED which has the same tech and it’s very cool. But most consoles have have 3D sound of some description through regular headphones for years.

@BBB if you read the full statement you’ll see he did go to court and was offered a large sum of money but with the clause he had to accept all responsibility for everything and never speak of it again.

The damage to his professional reputation would stand wihout his side of the story being aired. After a year of going back and forth with Bethesda delaying things it’s only then he published his response. At this point what has he to lose ?

If Bethesda has as many receipts as the ones Mick Gordon published in his response it will be interesting to see where the truth lies.

I think IGN read this review and just said the exact opposite 😅

@BAMozzy thank you for your well reasoned thoughts and clarity. This is the reason why I read the comments here. 👍

@Sol4ris that’s corporate speak for not going to. It’s like science or lawyer talk. You won’t get either of them to say with 100% certainly we’ll all wake up tomorrow but they’d likely say all current evidence points to that.

It puts Sony in an interesting position… they have the stats to show it’s the biggest game on their system by far, that’s why they have so many exclusivity deals in place with COD.. but once they run out… it’s game over.

So do they lean into the deals they already have for the next few releases to leverage the COD brand only to have Xbox potentially make the annual game Xbox only.. in which case they’re screwed.. or do they try and downplay it and build their own first party COD style game to compete.. in which case they’re also screwed…

For sure. After a 12 year gap coming back to Xbox and Game Pass was a no brainier. And too good to pass up.

Anyone else remember playing Robocop 3 on Amiga and thinking it was like real life 😀