I'm really enjoying it. Reminds me of playing Left 4 Dead 1 on the 360.
Don't get me wrong, it's insane that they decided to shove 100% of the narrative information in documents on load screens on a generation of consoles that tout rapid loading as feature.
Having access to Steam/GOG/Epic would be massive, but at the same time it will surely jack up the price of the console. Consoles are sold at la oss, making money from games instead.
A game on the new Xbox bought from Steam wouldn't earn any money from it.
Don't get me wrong, fantastic news. I do hope it expands it would be great to see if this leads to us at least being able to play the "missing" 360/Xb games via discs (i get digital is a legal web of annoyance).
I mean Xbox kinda has to support BC, you can't champion it for two gens and then not, and when you have a lot of people questioning the point in buying an Xbox you can't turn to your existing owners. the people who do pay, and say "BTW your library is starting over" because the weight of those libraries is certainly keeping some people on Xbox and a "clean start" is just opening the door for them to leave.
I'm enjoying this a lot. Don't get me wrong, it's not really a "remedy" game like I haven't really incounted any lore besides some coms chatter, but if you go into it with the same sort of mentality as Left 4 Dead (1 in particular), it's a lot of fun with friends to be had.
based on some rumours, this is going to be done via hardware and not some cool software layer for Windows which would at least "forever proof" our libraries but this is a good sign.
I'm sure this has absolutely nothing to do with the utter dumpster fire that was Randy Pitchford's "real fans".
I mean, we'd never expect the company that only sells current-gen versions as part of a more expensive bundle would never consider increasing prices. s/
I'm not shocked. FF16 didn't make much of an impact of PS5 or PC, After all, it did so poorly that it made SE reconsider their entire approach to exclusivity. Selling it on Xbox doesn't change the fact that it's not a popular FF game.
I'm still surprised SE didn't get a Game Pass deal for it, you'd think they'd want some positive word of mouth and some nice cash in their pockets.
FF7 will do better, though how much remains to be seen. I know I'll likely be picking it up on Switch 2 (assuming it's not on fire)
Considering how much they are stressing, the tech demo doesn't represent the actual Witcher 4 or the progress they've made in it, AND this constant talk of next gen being 2026/7 there's a fiart chance the Series S isn't going to be relevent.
It bothered me that whilst it doesn't play console games, the entire segment repeatedly talked about playing all your games in one place, a true "unified" library... that doesn't include the vast majority of digital Xbox games.
-I didn't see many of the games or studios I wanted to see.
-I also didn't see the Game Pass logo as much as I was expecting.
-There wasn't a big "oh my god!" moment, just lots of "looks good"
-No hall effect controller (I'm done with the pile of drifting X1/XS pads)
-Still no Activision on GP annoucement
-The quiet realisation that Starfield is probably dead, as we didn't see or hear about Starborn whilst both ESO and 76 appeared but announced nothing new.
/ That CoD trailer was... interesting. Considering BlOps 5's campaign that might be very good, but its CoD and there's a 50/50 shot it's generic as hell.
/Final Fantasy finally coming to Xbox, kinda surprised they aren't coming to Gamepass, you'd think SE would have loved to have a chunk of cash upfront for the underperformer.
/not sold on Double Fine's new game, but considering their history, I'm sure that's just a first-impressions thing.
/despite the talk of a unified library on the Xbox handheld, there was nothing that actually helped the "trapped" console games beyond the sliver on Play Anywhere and Stream Your Own Games.
/The Namco Bandai bit had me thinking their games was coming to gamepass.
+Clockwork Revolution is shaping up exactly how I was hoping it would.
+Outer Worlds 2 seems to be shifting towards more Bioshock than Fallout, and I think that works for it.
+Impressed Obsidian has yet another game on the way.
+More Plague Tale.
+The game from the Spirit Farer devs looks interesting.
Overall, it was a weird one. It wasn't a "blow the doors off" one, but it also wasn't one of those treading water, "the good times are coming" shows either.
It's what we expected it to be. I could have done without the talk of the unified library, considering the majority of the 500+ digital Xbox games I own from across 3 generations of Xbox consoles are not playable anywhere or even held hostage on the "stream your own games with Game Pass" thing.
again looks like it should be good but that really bothered me.
@FraserG So it's just a Witcher-flavoured tech demo. I guess that means we shouldn't read into it running on PS5 as confirmation as current-gen release.
No. 1: I'm only interested in one that plays Xbox games, I there are a bunch of PC handheld available out there already and I just don't need a Xbox logo on it. 2: There is no way in hell this is going to be anywhere near affordable. Consoles offset their hardware costs because they have a captive audience. This just isn't going to have that. Your aren't going to buy anything from the Xbox Store and pay console pricing, your going to get your games of steam/GoG/Epic and pay less.
I suppose the contextual good news is that this time it's happening "everywhere" at MS and so we aren't going to see any studio closures but it still absolutely sucks
I bounced hard. On paper I should love it. I love side scrolling brawlers, I like RPG character building, I love that its online and local co-op but it just felt like the tip of f2p grind. I think I'll introduce it to my kids and then if they like it join them.
I have to assume this is more next gen Xbox and not more 360/OG games coming to Series XS.
I kinda hope this is aimed at bringing our Xbox libraries to PC.
@xeofate To be fair to Nintendo, they have a fair track record for BC. The DS had BC with 3 generations of Game Boy, 3DS played DS games, Wii played GC games, Wii U played Wii games and it's always "full" BC not part of the libary
@munstahunta Don't get me wrong, you are very right, the last thing a console with spiralling sales needs is a price jump, but according to one analyst, they are spreading the damage, putting prices up everywhere, so they don't have to drastically increase the US prices alone. Their thinking being it's better to lose "some" sales globally than losing "most" US sales. In that context it makes sense...
Still an insane move in what appears to be a death spiral.
I already have a Series X, so ultimately the price increase doesn't affect me, but boy, looking at those prices and even an optimistic napkin map has me thinking upgrading my PC for decent 1080p/1440p performance would be either cheaper outright or pay for itself with cheaper PC games and cheaper PC gamepass. Now theres now where it'll out perform an next gen Xbox but with these prices I think I'm happy to "settle".
Though I will freely admit that that's only because I recently checked about upgrading my PC and there was no domino upgrades need (wont need a new PCU or MB to get the upgrades I was looking at).
@Fiendish-Beaver In theory, a handheld PC could possibly function as a middle ground/transitional state.
It's less faff than a PC, the games are cheaper than console, and it removes the headache of working out which part needs upgrading and what's going to kick off a domino chain of upgrades.
@Cakefish Yeah Switch 2 digital games are fairly consistently £10 cheaper digital than physical (unless its a gamekey) which certainly suggests those new cards aren't cheap to make, and when we look at DK it looks like most games will be less than £69.99 physically, it's only their big games (and bundles) that seems to be going past the 'former' standard.
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Re: Don't Like The New Xbox Game Hubs? Here's How To Turn Them Off
I get the idea, I understand why you'd want the option to load the hub or the game but why the poop would you make A open the hub instead of X.
On Xbox A has always been the "do the thing" button, the left click if you will, suddenly making it the context (aka right click) now is weird.
Re: Rumour: Xbox-Branded Meta Quest VR Headset To Be Unveiled Next Week
I forgot about that... Wonder if box will put the VR games on it (or just on PC gamepass)
Probably would have been a more interesting thing if conceived now with Xbox's multi device approach.
Re: Talking Point: What Do You Want To See From Next Week's 'Capcom Spotlight' Showcase?
Dragons Dogma 2 DLC would be nice, maybe that rumoured (but definitely not happening) co-op mode?
I would love to see a new Dino Crisis that plays like RE6 (that was a bad RE game but could make a cool DC)
Re: THPS 3+4 Unveils Two New Characters & Maps Ahead Of Xbox Game Pass Launch
I reckon they should have the other Turtles but each one is from a different version of the franchise.
Re: Poll: How Are You Getting On With FBC: Firebreak On Xbox Game Pass?
I'm really enjoying it. Reminds me of playing Left 4 Dead 1 on the 360.
Don't get me wrong, it's insane that they decided to shove 100% of the narrative information in documents on load screens on a generation of consoles that tout rapid loading as feature.
Re: Poll: How Are You Getting On With FBC: Firebreak On Xbox Game Pass?
@Kaloudz Yes, Yes it is. It may also be one of your friends inside it being puppeted by said post its.
Re: Reaction: Xbox's Next-Gen News Is Exciting, But It Also Leaves More Questions Than Answers
Having access to Steam/GOG/Epic would be massive, but at the same time it will surely jack up the price of the console. Consoles are sold at la oss, making money from games instead.
A game on the new Xbox bought from Steam wouldn't earn any money from it.
Re: With Its Next Console, Xbox Is Making A Big Commitment To Backwards Compatibility
Don't get me wrong, fantastic news. I do hope it expands it would be great to see if this leads to us at least being able to play the "missing" 360/Xb games via discs (i get digital is a legal web of annoyance).
I mean Xbox kinda has to support BC, you can't champion it for two gens and then not, and when you have a lot of people questioning the point in buying an Xbox you can't turn to your existing owners. the people who do pay, and say "BTW your library is starting over" because the weight of those libraries is certainly keeping some people on Xbox and a "clean start" is just opening the door for them to leave.
Re: Roundup: FBC: Firebreak Is A Step Down For Remedy, Early Reviews Suggest
I'm enjoying this a lot. Don't get me wrong, it's not really a "remedy" game like I haven't really incounted any lore besides some coms chatter, but if you go into it with the same sort of mentality as Left 4 Dead (1 in particular), it's a lot of fun with friends to be had.
Re: Xbox Announces Next-Gen Console Strategy, Promises 'Deeper Visuals' & Backwards Compatibility
based on some rumours, this is going to be done via hardware and not some cool software layer for Windows which would at least "forever proof" our libraries but this is a good sign.
Re: These 11 Games Are Coming To Xbox Game Pass (June 18 - July 1)
@Ricky-Spanish I think this was the last one before the launcher
Re: 2K Not Following Microsoft & Nintendo With $80 Game Prices, For Now
I'm sure this has absolutely nothing to do with the utter dumpster fire that was Randy Pitchford's "real fans".
I mean, we'd never expect the company that only sells current-gen versions as part of a more expensive bundle would never consider increasing prices. s/
Re: According To Sales Estimates, Final Fantasy 16 Had A Rough First Week On Xbox
I'm not shocked. FF16 didn't make much of an impact of PS5 or PC, After all, it did so poorly that it made SE reconsider their entire approach to exclusivity. Selling it on Xbox doesn't change the fact that it's not a popular FF game.
I'm still surprised SE didn't get a Game Pass deal for it, you'd think they'd want some positive word of mouth and some nice cash in their pockets.
FF7 will do better, though how much remains to be seen. I know I'll likely be picking it up on Switch 2 (assuming it's not on fire)
Re: The Witcher 4 Will Be 'Extremely Challenging' To Run At 60FPS On Xbox Series S
@Ricky-Spanish yeah, considering the context here is Cyberpunk's launch, it's "okay" that the Series S runs at 30fps.
Re: The Witcher 4 Will Be 'Extremely Challenging' To Run At 60FPS On Xbox Series S
Considering how much they are stressing, the tech demo doesn't represent the actual Witcher 4 or the progress they've made in it, AND this constant talk of next gen being 2026/7 there's a fiart chance the Series S isn't going to be relevent.
Re: Phil Spencer Hypes Up Clockwork Revolution Following Xbox Games Showcase Reveal
Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of games I'm interested in that are coming out but this is my personal favourite.
Re: Outer Worlds 2 Director Responds To Xbox's Expensive $80 Price Tag
It's wild to me they are starting with a game that's going to be a code in a box.
Re: Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 Update '1.3.0' Now Live On Xbox, Here Are The Patch Notes
That window increase is going to be nice. I always seem to be slightly off in the multi-hit instant murder death kill attacks.
Re: Gears Of War Reloaded Beta: Release Date, Start Times And How To Access
I'm still suprised it needs a beta, it's a graphical remaster of X1 remake that already got X enhancements and FPS boost on Series.
Re: Xbox Is Still Committed To Bringing Call Of Duty To Switch, Confirms Activision
I would be perfectly happy with a MCC style package where you get (for example) the classic MW campagins with seperate MW base multiplayer.
Re: Starfield Fans Voice Their Concerns About Future Support And Updates
Rather funny enough Starfield Deluxe edition is on sale
Re: What Games Can You Play On The ROG Xbox Ally Handheld?
The amount of people telling me it supports native digital console games is concerning.
Re: Starfield Fans Voice Their Concerns About Future Support And Updates
@ChrisDeku at this point I'd settle for just knowing if working on it or not.
Bethesda has really dropped the ball with support for SF. Remember When they claimed we'd have regular updates?
If they are done the they should say so.
Re: 'There Are No Ghosts At The Grand' Will Be An Xbox Game Pass Title Unlike Any Other
This might have been the most interesting all new game at the show for me.
Re: No, The ROG Xbox Ally Handheld Doesn't Play Native Console Games
It bothered me that whilst it doesn't play console games, the entire segment repeatedly talked about playing all your games in one place, a true "unified" library... that doesn't include the vast majority of digital Xbox games.
Re: Poll: How Would You Grade The Xbox Games Showcase 2025?
I'm giving it a C. By no means a bad show but...
-I didn't see many of the games or studios I wanted to see.
-I also didn't see the Game Pass logo as much as I was expecting.
-There wasn't a big "oh my god!" moment, just lots of "looks good"
-No hall effect controller (I'm done with the pile of drifting X1/XS pads)
-Still no Activision on GP annoucement
-The quiet realisation that Starfield is probably dead, as we didn't see or hear about Starborn whilst both ESO and 76 appeared but announced nothing new.
/ That CoD trailer was... interesting. Considering BlOps 5's campaign that might be very good, but its CoD and there's a 50/50 shot it's generic as hell.
/Final Fantasy finally coming to Xbox, kinda surprised they aren't coming to Gamepass, you'd think SE would have loved to have a chunk of cash upfront for the underperformer.
/not sold on Double Fine's new game, but considering their history, I'm sure that's just a first-impressions thing.
/despite the talk of a unified library on the Xbox handheld, there was nothing that actually helped the "trapped" console games beyond the sliver on Play Anywhere and Stream Your Own Games.
/The Namco Bandai bit had me thinking their games was coming to gamepass.
+Clockwork Revolution is shaping up exactly how I was hoping it would.
+Outer Worlds 2 seems to be shifting towards more Bioshock than Fallout, and I think that works for it.
+Impressed Obsidian has yet another game on the way.
+More Plague Tale.
+The game from the Spirit Farer devs looks interesting.
Overall, it was a weird one. It wasn't a "blow the doors off" one, but it also wasn't one of those treading water, "the good times are coming" shows either.
Re: Xbox Handheld Is Called 'ROG Xbox Ally', Releases Holiday 2025
It's what we expected it to be. I could have done without the talk of the unified library, considering the majority of the 500+ digital Xbox games I own from across 3 generations of Xbox consoles are not playable anywhere or even held hostage on the "stream your own games with Game Pass" thing.
again looks like it should be good but that really bothered me.
Re: Jurassic World Evolution 3 Roars Its Way To Xbox This October
Oh nice. Loved 1 and 2, will be jumping on this day 1.
Re: Undead Labs Shares Cryptic Tease Ahead Of Xbox Games Showcase
I love SoD 1&2 (boy have they just didn't stop supporting 2... until they did lol) and I'm looking forward to 3.
These teases don't feel very "Midwest zombie survival". If you showed me that, I would have believed you.
Re: The Witcher 4 Gets Full Gameplay Reveal, But Dev Warns It's Just A 'Tech Demo'
@FraserG So it's just a Witcher-flavoured tech demo. I guess that means we shouldn't read into it running on PS5 as confirmation as current-gen release.
Re: The Witcher 4 Gets Full Gameplay Reveal, And It Looks Absolutely Stunning
This way further along then I thought. There was talk of this being next gen, yet here it is.
Re: Our Predictions For The 2025 Xbox Games Showcase
I got a weird feeling that the handheld will "star" somewhere else, like the PC gaming show.
It's still weird to me that the gears remaster of a remake "needs" a beta.
I don't think we'll hear about the next-gen Xbox until they have something they know is going to be poorly received
Re: Xbox Game Pass Hit Atomfall Gets Its First Story Expansion Next Week
Looking forward to it, I enjoyed the heck out of Atomfall and I'm happy to jump in for more.
Re: Report: Xbox Elite Series 3 Is Real, And It's Improved 'Leaps & Bounds' Over The Elite 2
@themightyant I can still feel the disappointment of the quality of my Elite 1. It just doesn't feel like a 120 product.
Re: Talking Point: Will You Be Buying The 2025 Xbox Handheld From ASUS?
No.
1: I'm only interested in one that plays Xbox games, I there are a bunch of PC handheld available out there already and I just don't need a Xbox logo on it.
2: There is no way in hell this is going to be anywhere near affordable. Consoles offset their hardware costs because they have a captive audience. This just isn't going to have that. Your aren't going to buy anything from the Xbox Store and pay console pricing, your going to get your games of steam/GoG/Epic and pay less.
Re: Talking Point: Do You Feel You've Had Value For Money With Your Xbox Series X|S?
Yes. I love the console itself and quick resume and smart delivery have been amazing.
There are some "howevers".
That's very much at the Day One UK RRP. It's not as easy to recommend it with the 2025 price.
I'm not confident I would have made the same choice knowing what we now know.
Re: Xbox Seemingly Affected As Microsoft Announces Thousands More Job Cuts
I suppose the contextual good news is that this time it's happening "everywhere" at MS and so we aren't going to see any studio closures but it still absolutely sucks
Re: Marvel 1943: Rise Of Hydra Delayed Out Of 2025, Now Arriving On Xbox In 'Early 2026'
I legit forgot about this, hope this is a "we want this game to be the best it can be" delay and not a "why dose their head keep falling off" delay
Re: Talking Point: Xbox Fans, How Many Of You Are Buying A Switch 2?
I've said before I'm not interested in "just" an Xbox branded handheld PC, I want it to play my Xbox games natively.
Re: Poll: What Do You Think Of Towerborne On Xbox Game Pass?
I bounced hard. On paper I should love it. I love side scrolling brawlers, I like RPG character building, I love that its online and local co-op but it just felt like the tip of f2p grind. I think I'll introduce it to my kids and then if they like it join them.
Re: Xbox Developer Shares Insight Into Why Physical Releases Are 'Complex'
One of the reasons I prefer to use GOG wherever possible, its digital games you actually own
Re: Xbox's New Job Advert Is Amazing News For Backwards Compatibility
@TheGameThrifter it is IF the next Xbox is "basically a PC" as rumoured.
Re: Xbox's New Job Advert Is Amazing News For Backwards Compatibility
I have to assume this is more next gen Xbox and not more 360/OG games coming to Series XS.
I kinda hope this is aimed at bringing our Xbox libraries to PC.
@xeofate To be fair to Nintendo, they have a fair track record for BC.
The DS had BC with 3 generations of Game Boy, 3DS played DS games, Wii played GC games, Wii U played Wii games and it's always "full" BC not part of the libary
Re: Talking Point: Will Xbox Game Pass Get A Price Increase This Year?
I was expecting anual price increases for CoD so I'm hoping the increase game RRP means they wont be doing that... right...
Re: Poll: What Was Your Favourite Xbox Game Pass Title For April 2025?
1. Expedition 33
2. South of Midnight.
3. Oblivion Remaster (SoM isn't a "better game" just actually new)
Don't get me wrong, my Oblivion playtime dwarfs both.
Re: Talking Point: Would You Still Buy An Xbox At Microsoft's 2025 Prices?
@munstahunta Don't get me wrong, you are very right, the last thing a console with spiralling sales needs is a price jump, but according to one analyst, they are spreading the damage, putting prices up everywhere, so they don't have to drastically increase the US prices alone. Their thinking being it's better to lose "some" sales globally than losing "most" US sales. In that context it makes sense...
Still an insane move in what appears to be a death spiral.
Re: Here's How The New Xbox Prices Compare To PS5 & Nintendo Switch 2
@TheGameThrifter You could never have convinced my MS would price an Xbox X above PS5 Pro, but here we are with that US price.
Re: Here's How The New Xbox Prices Compare To PS5 & Nintendo Switch 2
I already have a Series X, so ultimately the price increase doesn't affect me, but boy, looking at those prices and even an optimistic napkin map has me thinking upgrading my PC for decent 1080p/1440p performance would be either cheaper outright or pay for itself with cheaper PC games and cheaper PC gamepass. Now theres now where it'll out perform an next gen Xbox but with these prices I think I'm happy to "settle".
Though I will freely admit that that's only because I recently checked about upgrading my PC and there was no domino upgrades need (wont need a new PCU or MB to get the upgrades I was looking at).
Re: Reaction: $80 Game Prices Are Ridiculous, Adding Even More Value To Xbox Game Pass
@Fiendish-Beaver In theory, a handheld PC could possibly function as a middle ground/transitional state.
It's less faff than a PC, the games are cheaper than console, and it removes the headache of working out which part needs upgrading and what's going to kick off a domino chain of upgrades.
Re: Reaction: $80 Game Prices Are Ridiculous, Adding Even More Value To Xbox Game Pass
@Cakefish Yeah Switch 2 digital games are fairly consistently £10 cheaper digital than physical (unless its a gamekey) which certainly suggests those new cards aren't cheap to make, and when we look at DK it looks like most games will be less than £69.99 physically, it's only their big games (and bundles) that seems to be going past the 'former' standard.