@FraserG Xbox really is in it's netflix era "we're gonna brutal cancel almost every thing, and then when your braced for the next one we're gonna save something someone else canceled"

@Markatron84 Yes... "organised" and not at all me just shoving the two piles from my desk in the cupboard

Man, I literally just put all the discs away. Luckily, I separated the "didn't work" games.

I think it was the dragon, I know my brother had the bowl cut, my cousin had the green, my friend had the dog but mine... eh?

All the ones I can and more.

I picked up Zero Company on disc, saved about £5 vs digital now i have "two copies" incase anything happens. I also picked up some physical copies of games i loved on GP like I went back and picked up the first two Plague Tales, and I know actually check what CEX and other 2nd hand stores have.

@Mr-Cage My wife also showed me one of the tiktoks and asked "isn't she playable, so arent we also dating him" and accidently clicked the user and her feed was all tradwife and bible quotes, so I'm not sure how much of a main stream this "girls dont think GTA is cheating" thing is

@Weebleman yeah, why stand on one rake, when you could stand on two? Like the TV app would have been a non story if they announced that first but no, they had to do it this way and spend even more of their good will.

@PsBoxSwitchOwner I have to assume that, like Sony and their discs, they "did the math" and believe what they lose (a portion of those 4% who drop GP) will be less than what they gain (money from game time, and the few who still didn't have a current gen system buying one)

@BaldB3lper78 it's doubly dumb here because all they had to do is just not open their mouth for a while.

Like they claim thus only affects 4% of GP users, let's say that's true surely if its only such a small fraction this change isn't going to earn them that much money, certainly not compared to the good will they was building, good will that can't be bought.

But hey Xbox, its just gotta rake.

My major thought here is "and there's the rake".

Right, I'm not going to say this is the right move or not; it's just not relevant to my point. Xbox just can't seem to let any positive momentum build; We have Sony doing their whole "you'll own nothing and like it thing, and Xbox just having Disc-to-Digital is doing a lot of good. They couldn't just build off that; they didn't even do a "good news, bad news" thing; they just took more from Game Pass whilst keeping the price the same.

@Topov81 Weirdly, it seems FH4 is the only one that is compatible ATM

Oooh, I do love a custom difficulty. Way too many games just crank the enemy HP can call it a day.

@fatpunkslim It's certainly working on me, I bought Zero Company on disc because it was £10 cheaper knowing I now get the digital copy, also grabbed Plague Tale 1+2 for £8 each of ebay (my daughter wants to play the rest of them after she discovered the new one), and the three dishonoured games for £13 total

@HelloCraigo I assume 1 didn't "do well" but seems like such a decent (also cheap) way to keep the IP going between games.

Is this the R6 game I wanted? No.
Am I gonna play it? Hell yeah! (I'm still quietly hoping for Gears Tactics 2)

I mean we are talking about a...

-platform that's in a distant third.
-half of it's models don't have a disc drive.
-it's biggest USP is gamepass, it's netflix like model.
-it's smaller USP is some digital games also granted the Xbox version

Wouldn't have much of a presence in physical media sales.

Unless I saw a good deal, I'd just focus on my S2 and 5070 PC.
I'd certainly drop my GP sub to at least PC tier at least..

I think the black parts of the omen aren't textured is ruining it for me. I do love that it's "3D" I hope we see more of that. There's been a bunch of pads where I wish it wasn't just a print.

Also, regarding the price, simply "no"

Is it me or dose the l stick look weirdly placed

I take it this is a straight port.

I do recall having fun playing this with friends back in the day but as we all know Co-Op can make a bad game pretty damn fun.

On the one hand, cool, but on the other hand, kinda rude

My experience so far has me really excited for the campaign but... oh boy, is this the most "shotgun of war" MP entry yet.

The new movement mechanics, or more specifically, the map designs to accommodate them, make them even more viable than ever. Don't need to worry about being at risk at range when you can slide under a wall and be right in the enemy's face or undefended buttcheeks, and whilst I am sure most of the Gears playerbase is super excited for that, I remain needing to be convinced.

I haven't been able to jump into horde with friends yet so I don't have a solid feel on that yet.

I get why Rockstar would do this, money but why is Netflix do they think people will sub to see a trailer and just stick around? you'd think the pandemic would have taught them that lesson.

@InterceptorAlpha The Gears 1 remaster of the remake also didn't do great either. As much as I enjoyed playing this Halo remake, it does smack of the old "definition of insanity".

The score is low on the Xbox Store because, apparently, Cortana isn't as endowed (and other such concerns), not that there aren't legitimate complaints outside of that stuff.

Don't get me wrong, awesome! But this does seem to be the same thing as the X1/XS BC (which was also awesome) and still relies on the games being okayed for inclusion and not just throwing in any Xbox disc into the machine.

EDIT: Now I might be reading a bit too much into this, but since this seems to be fresh discussions with devs/pubs theres a chance we might see more Backwards comaptibilty games on Xbox

For me, as a Xbox gamer, I think "unnecessary" best sums it up. I get they wanted to sell this as a "new thing" so PS players don't see it as a last gen port and eant to buy E-day (that worked out well) but it is just Ultimate with a next gen update.

I would have loved to see a group up remake or an even more expanded edition but slightly better Ultimate via BC just wasnt enough.

Normally I have a lot of sympathy for hardware manufacturers because this is all outside of their control. You want to make a reasonably priced device and your forced to jack up the price to something silly.

but its hard to do that with Xbox, because after all, business daddy Microsoft is one of the biggest players in this AI push thats causing it this, and with them earning 80-something billion this year, they could easily take the hit on Series consoles

I kinda hope these "retro" achievements are a little more scaled back than usual games, I don't like the idea of having to do some counterintuitive thing to unlock the last one.

I suspect these are going to trickle out, as a few people here noted they would drop their X/S if enough of them come to PC.

I would enjoy this but there's a 0% chance I would buy it.

The only reason I've ever paid for playing early is out of fear for spoilers... that... that's not a concern here.

It really was one of those games where you finished and you thought, "man, the sequels are going to be amazing"

As a heads up, with the new poster style boxarts 360/OG games a black bar at the bottom

I get that there might be licensing issues but if that's the case, why even announce it for GP in the first place.

I enjoyed Quarantine Zone when it came out on PC gamepass, don't think I'll play it on console.

@Netbean it is an interesting problem.
There are two types of users who "need" this feature more. Series S owners and Xbox on PC users (since Play Anywhere applies), but neither of them will have a disc drive (most 'gaming PCs' don't, handhelds like the Xbox Ally don't).

I suspect when this hits my Series S-owning buddies will want to use my Xbox to convert their games.

@Tonmoy I do feel worried that this would be a ground up Obsidian game, not built on top of a existing Fallout game. They do great work when it comes to the writing but the actual game part has been weak for multiple games in a row, having someone else done the ground work might be best for them.

I do really hop inexile gets to take a crack at a Fallout spin-off pitch it as a "classic fallout revival" and use a wasteland 3 as a base (loved that game obviously this would need an actual player character)

I'm not sure I buy this. Until now all previous reports had Avowed sales meant it as a series was ending but the Pillars universe continuing via the original series.

Though it dose feel very Xbox right now, they force Obsidian to make an Fallout game AND fire a while bunch of Obsidian writers... you know the reason why people want Obsidian to make a Fallout game.

There's also a certain symmetry. Obsidian hated being given a strict deadline and being "limited to consoles" for New Vegas and now they are being forced to work on a new Fallout, as a Xbox console exclusive, and as part of the new leaderships "more games, faster" plan

I love Black Flag but I just don't have any desire to spend money on this, and to be clear it dose seem to be the money angle as I'm sure I will play the heck out of this when it comes to gamepass in 2 years time (or the next time ubi+ has a decent offer)

External drive, sell it as some legacy feature. "Use it to play your Xbox discs and even install PC games if you happen to have one of those ancient relics" make sure its also compatible with Series S and digital X

360.

I had my own money so I bought more than OG
My local game stores basically stop stocking Xbox One games instore outside of major releases, so I had to order them and with postage they ended up being slightly more expensive than digital.

I supposed partial game disc is better than no game disc.

I did chuckle when they was boasting about upgrading Oblivion Remaster from Code in a Box to full game card on Switch 2 (which credit where credits due, well played) when the same game requires download on Xbox and PS.

How much should we read into the fact we've heard about a bunch of studios being closed and none of them had this kind of instant "um actually"ed?

More than happy to wait until next year to play the campaign and then the MP for 2 weeks with a buddy and then never touch it again.

My bet is they wont close it but gut it to a small team they can attach to other games, even when it doesn't make sense "from the makers of Fallout New Vegas, comes Halo ODST 2"

Now I'm sure its X1/XS games because the X1 was basically supposed to do this with its always on DRM and so the discs have some sort of tag/code that the 360 and OG Xbox discs wouldn't have but I did get instantly worried that Xbox was giving up on OG/360 BC for a moment there.

Certainly. They've already got spotty track record on this and if the Helix has a disc drive it's almost certainly going to be for backwards compatibility not new releases

@DesertRanger I wouldn't put it past Rockstar for there be a dedicated Helix version that's probably running via the "Xbox" part but utilising the new hardware before the actual PC version launches.

Some 2k exec somewhere "triple dip baby"

It really dose seem they are withdrawing from everything that's not a core IP, taking that money and consolidating it on those core IP.

@oopsiezz It lines up with a former Bethesda dev saying if a Beth worker isn't doing anything tied to ES or Fallout they probably wont have a job soon.