I wasn't expecting much, but somehow managed to limbo right below my expectations. So congrats I guess?
Tangentially (since the article brought it up), where are all the Activision BC titles? I'm guessing it's all sorts of licensing problems causing it, but it feels like that should be officially confirmed at some point.
@OldGamer999 I'm not going to say you're wrong about competition, but PC part prices have exploded thanks to the AI bros buying it all up. No amount of new console makers is going to change that AI companies are sucking up all the hardware (and power).
Years ago it would seem impossible that Xbox/MS just didn't see or care about the cost of RAM going up and did nothing, forcing prices to go even higher.
Man, I don't think I'll believe any release date for the PoP remake until the game actually opens on my Xbox.
@Markatron84 I now fear for my hat. Sure, the chance is next to nothing, but the damage would be high.
@Scrubchub I guess it depends on which remake rumours are true. One sounds more like Metal Gear Delta, shiny new graphics, exact same game, but another has this as a complete from the ground up remake, with it being the Kenway's actual story and not the animus recreation (I'm guessing it's like Mirage, no modern day stuff).
With the likelihood of Xbox not being a "true" console in the future I appreciate having access to my games on PC but I'm also kinda meh on Play Anywhere simply because it doesn't support the vast majority of my library isn't part of it and probably won't be.
Considering MS's comments on the next Xbox, probably not.
I wouldn't be surprised if the "technically superior" Nex-Box pricing ends up "goldilocks" the Steam Machine into relevance.
Honestly, I think the Steam Machine isn't aimed at converting console gamers; instead, it's about giving PC gamers on increasingly aged hardware a way "out" of spiralling component upgrade costs instead of "going console" to play the latest games.
@Chip-Douglas a lof it people in my retro groups say Simpsons Hit and Run fans should try it I haven't yet (Fortnite is more my daughters thing) but that's probably the most effective endorsement I've heard.
I never got round to playing it. It launched rough, so I waited for a patch and played something else. When I was finished with that there was another patch due and the cycle went around and around.
@kelomaniack The sad part is others have done workarounds.
Hogwarts Legacy on S1 has a link to the store on the main menu that lets you get a huge discount on the S2 digital version (I used a pre-owned physical copy to get the deal), but I guess they are concerned we'll turn around and then sell the 360 disc we've kept for years.
@kelomaniack If I had to guess that won't work as it won't be an upgrade patch, I suspect it checks your account to see if you own RDR1 digitally, and if you do gives you this version for free.
Speaking as someone who only has the physical copy, I hope I'm wrong.
@themightyant I'm sure there's probably more reasons why they can't, but the Mod limit was their major reason for not bringing it to Xbox soo... maybe?
With fans desperate for more Fallout content I'd make sense for Bethesda to help bring it across. Do it as a "creation" and then the devs can even get paid.
Putting price aside, my concern is that the majority of my PC games are not through Steam, it's one thing to leave my Xbox console library behind, it's another to gut everything but steam games.
Assuming running non-steam games on SteamOS become easy enough and they sort the anti-cheat problems, this might be where I end up next gen.
I remember at the time saying nothing aboutthe handling of Destiny 2 suggested this was a good idea, I guess they was hoping Marathon was going to be out soon and be a huge hit.
I was watching a Digital Foundry video on YouTube and they were talking about how they are also expecting the current-gen consoles to keep going long after the new generation consoles come out. Pointing to Switch 2, Handheld PC, and the general PC market, with games needing to be very scalable.
I'm struggling to get into it. I enjoyed the prologue mission but for some reason thr second I hit that first town I started to struggle to keep playing.
Now I fully admit I probably haven't given it enough of a chance to get its hooks into me, been on a weird visual novel kick which is distracting me from playing it.
I'm hoping that settling in for a night with no distractions and giving it a real go fixes it.
@Fiendish-Beaver At the very least, you will be able to have it outside the "Xbox experience" as that, based on how it is described here, is "just a PC".
I would expect another Game Pass shake-up before this launches, the console Game Pass options become the "legacy options" with a new tier that replaces PC Game Pass that's basically just PC gamepass + cloud streaming.
@BacklogBrad it's really weird considering hey said this is the last year Infinite is going to be at the championship. im guessing there's going to be some free to play multiplayer thing.
FBC has a decent foundation. Its just isnt structured well and light on content.
It needed some kind of intro narrative getting you through the maps the first time and then dropping you into the ongoing threat, give it a Helldivers 2 map conflict and "meta narrative", with different parts of it coming under attack and players rallying to quell it and earn extra rewards (vs doing what they want)
Granted this would have messed with their anti-fomo ambitions but hey.
I really would like to understand this move, surely existing dev kits is one of the places you'd want to eat the costs, the last thing you want is making it harder for dev ship games for console/gamepass.
@Grumblevolcano @Cakefish it dose seem to be MS's thing. Do something that generates some posertivity and they stand on a rake, and then when trying to deflect from it they stand on another and just keep doing it, over and over.
Now I'm not saying the report was true, but MS "refuting" it... We've been here before.
Xbox was "committed" to Kinect, to VR on One X, to first-party exclusivity, to native handheld, to studios they closed, games they cancelled, and staff they let go.
They are always super committed right until the moment they do a 180.
I really want to play Jump Ship, but the confusion about it being on Game Pass gave me whiplash. It's a lot harder to convince my group to fork over cash.
But it having a trial might mean I'll be able to suucker them.
@AverageJoseph yeah seems like just usual MS speil. I did see someone suggest it might be something to do with epic game store, like Gp users getting access to play anywhere versions of the free games they give out every month.
@AverageJoseph
Acording to the article on here about the fortnite pass being part of GP
Microsoft also says this is "just the beginning of Xbox and Epic’s work together toward an open gaming ecosystem where friends can play and create together, anywhere, across devices"
@Weebleman "im pretty sure somewhere in Sony there is someone sat rubbing their hands, just waiting for the moment to increase there prices as well."
I saw someone yesterday that the "free market" has changed, instead of putting pressure on each to keep prices low, it's flipped and its now clawing as much as it can, trying to find the line where customers break and stop.
Based on what Xb said about Epic, I'm guessing the real meat of its gamepass inclusion isn't just Fortnite pass, that's just the bit they had laying around to add for the price rise but boy "we're jacking up prices for Fortnite" doesn't hit well.
I'd love for an Xbox version of PC Game Pass (remembers that was what GP started as,) but I suspect that would gut the higher tiers.
I really do appreciate that they actually added something with this price rise (adding cloud streaming to the other tiers, Ubisoft classic to ultimate)instead of just jacking up the price (or removing stuff like day 1 titles), but ultimate's sticker price is just too damn high for a monthly sub.
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Re: These 14 Games Are Coming To Xbox Game Pass (December 2-11)
I sure do hate how annoying it is working out what's actually coming to gamepass for me now.
Re: Three More Games Have Been 'Hard Delisted' And Removed Off The Xbox Store Entirely
I have to assume the two Schedule clones got nuked because they even used the name of the game they were ripping off.
Re: Talking Point: Did You Expect More From Xbox 360's 20th Anniversary?
I wasn't expecting much, but somehow managed to limbo right below my expectations. So congrats I guess?
Tangentially (since the article brought it up), where are all the Activision BC titles? I'm guessing it's all sorts of licensing problems causing it, but it feels like that should be officially confirmed at some point.
Re: Xbox Series X|S Could Go Up In Price Again Due To Potential RAM Shortages, It's Claimed
@OldGamer999 I'm not going to say you're wrong about competition, but PC part prices have exploded thanks to the AI bros buying it all up. No amount of new console makers is going to change that AI companies are sucking up all the hardware (and power).
Re: Xbox Series X|S Could Go Up In Price Again Due To Potential RAM Shortages, It's Claimed
It is concerning that this rumour is believable.
Years ago it would seem impossible that Xbox/MS just didn't see or care about the cost of RAM going up and did nothing, forcing prices to go even higher.
But now, it sure seems like something they'd do.
Re: Ubisoft Has Two Major Releases Planned By April 2026, One Being The Prince Of Persia Remake
Man, I don't think I'll believe any release date for the PoP remake until the game actually opens on my Xbox.
@Markatron84 I now fear for my hat. Sure, the chance is next to nothing, but the damage would be high.
@Scrubchub I guess it depends on which remake rumours are true. One sounds more like Metal Gear Delta, shiny new graphics, exact same game, but another has this as a complete from the ground up remake, with it being the Kenway's actual story and not the animus recreation (I'm guessing it's like Mirage, no modern day stuff).
Re: Poll: How Important Is The Xbox Play Anywhere Program To You?
With the likelihood of Xbox not being a "true" console in the future I appreciate having access to my games on PC but I'm also kinda meh on Play Anywhere simply because it doesn't support the vast majority of my library isn't part of it and probably won't be.
Re: Rumour: Steam Machine To Be 'Priced Like A PC' Rather Than Traditional Xbox Or PS Console
A potential sigh of relief for Microsoft & Sony?
Considering MS's comments on the next Xbox, probably not.
I wouldn't be surprised if the "technically superior" Nex-Box pricing ends up "goldilocks" the Steam Machine into relevance.
Honestly, I think the Steam Machine isn't aimed at converting console gamers; instead, it's about giving PC gamers on increasingly aged hardware a way "out" of spiralling component upgrade costs instead of "going console" to play the latest games.
Re: Fortnite Crew Is Coming To Xbox Game Pass Ultimate Today! Here's What You Need To Know
@Chip-Douglas a lof it people in my retro groups say Simpsons Hit and Run fans should try it I haven't yet (Fortnite is more my daughters thing) but that's probably the most effective endorsement I've heard.
Re: Stalker 2 Team Shares Parting Message Ahead Of Xbox Game Pass Departure
I never got round to playing it. It launched rough, so I waited for a patch and played something else. When I was finished with that there was another patch due and the cycle went around and around.
Re: Red Dead Redemption To Receive Free Xbox Series X|S Upgrade This December
@kelomaniack The sad part is others have done workarounds.
Hogwarts Legacy on S1 has a link to the store on the main menu that lets you get a huge discount on the S2 digital version (I used a pre-owned physical copy to get the deal), but I guess they are concerned we'll turn around and then sell the 360 disc we've kept for years.
Re: Red Dead Redemption To Receive Free Xbox Series X|S Upgrade This December
@Kaloudz Not to jump in, but apprently I am. The fact the Xbox upgrade only applies to the digital copy suggests its a whole new client.
Re: Red Dead Redemption To Receive Free Xbox Series X|S Upgrade This December
@kelomaniack If I had to guess that won't work as it won't be an upgrade patch, I suspect it checks your account to see if you own RDR1 digitally, and if you do gives you this version for free.
Speaking as someone who only has the physical copy, I hope I'm wrong.
Re: Black Ops 7 Campaign Review (Xbox): Black Ops Pedigree Can't Save This Mess Of A COD Campaign
Considering the kicking they got for MW3 you'd think they'd not try pulling "direct sequel to last years game" again, but here we are... again
Re: Red Dead Redemption 1 Has Suddenly Been Rated For Xbox Series X|S
The fact that this rating is for PS5, which already got a straight port, as well as Series and Switch, does suggest is more than a straight port.
Re: Three Big Fixes Coming To Fallout 4 Next Week, Mod Storage To Increase By 50x On Xbox Soon
@themightyant I'm sure there's probably more reasons why they can't, but the Mod limit was their major reason for not bringing it to Xbox soo... maybe?
With fans desperate for more Fallout content I'd make sense for Bethesda to help bring it across. Do it as a "creation" and then the devs can even get paid.
Re: Talking Point: What Does The 'Steam Machine' Mean For Xbox's Next-Gen Console Plans?
I think this might have exposed a huge hole I'm the next Xbox's "premium" plans.
It was one thing for a console-pc hybrid to be more expensive than a PS6, its another for it be more expensive than a consolised PC made by steam.
Re: Xbox Boss Phil Spencer Shares His Thoughts On Valve's New 'Steam Machine'
Putting price aside, my concern is that the majority of my PC games are not through Steam, it's one thing to leave my Xbox console library behind, it's another to gut everything but steam games.
Assuming running non-steam games on SteamOS become easy enough and they sort the anti-cheat problems, this might be where I end up next gen.
Re: Sony's Purchase Of Former Xbox Studio Bungie Isn't Exactly Going To Plan
I remember at the time saying nothing aboutthe handling of Destiny 2 suggested this was a good idea, I guess they was hoping Marathon was going to be out soon and be a huge hit.
Re: Sony Exec Suggests PS5 Is Far From Finished, And It's Likely The Same For Xbox Series X|S
I was watching a Digital Foundry video on YouTube and they were talking about how they are also expecting the current-gen consoles to keep going long after the new generation consoles come out. Pointing to Switch 2, Handheld PC, and the general PC market, with games needing to be very scalable.
Re: Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2 Is Part Of Xbox Free Play Days This Week (November 6-9)
Well, sorry Outer Worlds 2, but you're going on the back burner for a bit.
Re: Poll: What Are Your Initial Impressions Of The Outer Worlds 2 On Xbox Game Pass?
@Westernwolf4 That's great to hear.
Re: Poll: What Are Your Initial Impressions Of The Outer Worlds 2 On Xbox Game Pass?
I'm struggling to get into it. I enjoyed the prologue mission but for some reason thr second I hit that first town I started to struggle to keep playing.
Now I fully admit I probably haven't given it enough of a chance to get its hooks into me, been on a weird visual novel kick which is distracting me from playing it.
I'm hoping that settling in for a night with no distractions and giving it a real go fixes it.
Re: Epic Details Exactly When Xbox Game Pass Ultimate Players Can Access Fortnite Crew
I wonder how this is going to work in practice, I hope it's through the perks system as then I could give my daughter the code as I won't use it.
Re: Digital Foundry Impressed By Halo: Campaign Evolved, But Worried About Unreal Engine 5
It is a shame that just as UE becomes "the" engine running all the games, it ends up incredibly flawed.
Re: Halo Co-Creator 'Absolutely Loves' What Xbox Is Doing With The Campaign Evolved Remake
The other folks who worked on the original don't seem as impressed.
Re: Huge Xbox Report Details 'Ambitious' Next-Gen Console With Free Online Play
@Fiendish-Beaver At the very least, you will be able to have it outside the "Xbox experience" as that, based on how it is described here, is "just a PC".
I would expect another Game Pass shake-up before this launches, the console Game Pass options become the "legacy options" with a new tier that replaces PC Game Pass that's basically just PC gamepass + cloud streaming.
Re: Halo: Campaign Evolved Officially Announced, Coming To Xbox In 2026
@BacklogBrad it's really weird considering hey said this is the last year Infinite is going to be at the championship. im guessing there's going to be some free to play multiplayer thing.
Re: Phil Spencer Addresses AI & Developer Creativity At Xbox Game Studios
I'm sure Phil himself has intention of mandating AI use, his boss on the otherhand...
Re: Remedy CEO Steps Down, Not Long After Studio Admitted 'Weak Sales' For FBC: Firebreak
FBC has a decent foundation. Its just isnt structured well and light on content.
It needed some kind of intro narrative getting you through the maps the first time and then dropping you into the ongoing threat, give it a Helldivers 2 map conflict and "meta narrative", with different parts of it coming under attack and players rallying to quell it and earn extra rewards (vs doing what they want)
Granted this would have messed with their anti-fomo ambitions but hey.
Re: Microsoft Is Reportedly Increasing The Cost Of Xbox Dev Kits In Latest Price Hike
I really would like to understand this move, surely existing dev kits is one of the places you'd want to eat the costs, the last thing you want is making it harder for dev ship games for console/gamepass.
Re: Poll: Are You More Interested In The ROG Xbox Ally Now That Reviews Are Out?
Reviews are falling exactly where I expected.
1. Amazing handheld PC.
2. Bad Xbox.
And expensive.
Should it get a deep discount then I'll leap at it but I can't afford throwing that kind of money at anything.
Re: Xbox Journalist Says Latest Rumours Are 'A Huge Challenge For The Brand Right Now'
@Cakefish that too can't be a good sign.
Re: Xbox Journalist Says Latest Rumours Are 'A Huge Challenge For The Brand Right Now'
As a lot of us were saying in the other story, regardless of the actual validity of the rumours, people are believing it, and that's a bad sign.
Re: Microsoft Issues Statement Denying Target & Walmart Are Pulling Xbox Products
@Grumblevolcano @Cakefish it dose seem to be MS's thing. Do something that generates some posertivity and they stand on a rake, and then when trying to deflect from it they stand on another and just keep doing it, over and over.
Re: Microsoft Issues Statement Denying Target & Walmart Are Pulling Xbox Products
@Cakefish that's a very good point, regardless of the actual validity of the rumour, people are believing it.
Someone could "leak" Sony or Nintendo was quitting consoles tomorrow and no one would believe it.
Re: Microsoft Issues Statement Denying Target & Walmart Are Pulling Xbox Products
Kinda generic response, particularly since it adds unnamed "other retailers".
Retailers selling PS5 and Switch versions of Xbox games could still count as being "partners"
Not that I'm saying the stores are dropping Xbox or not.
Re: If Your Battlefield 6 Crew Plays On Xbox, It'll Earn Less XP Than On PlayStation
Considering the massive stink Sony made about Xbox possibly putting CoD perks on gamepass as "unfair" that's "fun".
Re: Indiana Jones And The Great Circle Anniversary Update Brings New Game+ To Xbox
If this had dropped along side the "side story" dlc I'd have jumped on it.
I will use this when I inevitably get the dlc
Re: Former ZeniMax Devs Who Were Fired By Xbox Create New Company Called Sackbird Studios
Erm.. the winged bird has a crotch arm
Re: Xbox Journalist Disputes Rumour About AMD Requiring 10M Units For First-Party Handheld
@AverageGamer and they couldn't get the metrics from any of the other Windows handhelds like the previous RoG Ally?
Re: Xbox Journalist Disputes Rumour About AMD Requiring 10M Units For First-Party Handheld
I don't understand why MS would have to partner with a ASUS to make a handheld to fix Windows on handhelds.
Re: Xbox Issues Statement Denying Rumour That Next-Gen Console Could Be Cancelled
Now I'm not saying the report was true, but MS "refuting" it... We've been here before.
Xbox was "committed" to Kinect, to VR on One X, to first-party exclusivity, to native handheld, to studios they closed, games they cancelled, and staff they let go.
They are always super committed right until the moment they do a 180.
Re: Here's What Might Leave Xbox Game Pass In November 2025
Man, I really need to start playing Stalker 2
Re: Jump Space Is Dominating The Xbox Charts Right Now, And There's A Good Reason For It
I really want to play Jump Ship, but the confusion about it being on Game Pass gave me whiplash. It's a lot harder to convince my group to fork over cash.
But it having a trial might mean I'll be able to suucker them.
Re: Xbox Fan Shares Their Concept For A Game Pass 'Select' Plan With Optional Add-Ons
@AverageJoseph yeah seems like just usual MS speil. I did see someone suggest it might be something to do with epic game store, like Gp users getting access to play anywhere versions of the free games they give out every month.
Re: Xbox Fan Shares Their Concept For A Game Pass 'Select' Plan With Optional Add-Ons
@AverageJoseph
Acording to the article on here about the fortnite pass being part of GP
Microsoft also says this is "just the beginning of Xbox and Epic’s work together toward an open gaming ecosystem where friends can play and create together, anywhere, across devices"
Re: Xbox Fan Shares Their Concept For A Game Pass 'Select' Plan With Optional Add-Ons
@Weebleman "im pretty sure somewhere in Sony there is someone sat rubbing their hands, just waiting for the moment to increase there prices as well."
I saw someone yesterday that the "free market" has changed, instead of putting pressure on each to keep prices low, it's flipped and its now clawing as much as it can, trying to find the line where customers break and stop.
Re: Xbox Fan Shares Their Concept For A Game Pass 'Select' Plan With Optional Add-Ons
Based on what Xb said about Epic, I'm guessing the real meat of its gamepass inclusion isn't just Fortnite pass, that's just the bit they had laying around to add for the price rise but boy "we're jacking up prices for Fortnite" doesn't hit well.
Re: 'Price Increases Are Never Fun For Anybody' Says Xbox Exec Defending Game Pass Changes
I'd love for an Xbox version of PC Game Pass (remembers that was what GP started as,) but I suspect that would gut the higher tiers.
I really do appreciate that they actually added something with this price rise (adding cloud streaming to the other tiers, Ubisoft classic to ultimate)instead of just jacking up the price (or removing stuff like day 1 titles), but ultimate's sticker price is just too damn high for a monthly sub.