Great stuff as that system made the game very unattractive for a lot of players. It might be too little too late as gaming moves so fast these days. 5,6,7 are all amazing games. Love everyone of them. The online requirement for this game and the Forza quick delisting issues means this game is just not that appealing and that’s a real shame, as I don’t want to commit hours and hours to a game that will be completely unplayable in a couple of years. The ticking timebomb of online only games is ridiculous and needs to be addressed. Let us play games when they go offline

Xbox announce a briefing to outline their future strategy and people still claim it’ll be nothing.

The mental gymnastics people doing on all sides of this is crazy, Xbox influencers abandoning the brand. Others saying it’s the death of Xbox.

Massive purchases and mergers have a cost.

I said from the start there would be no winners from the mergers.

It’s turning out to be true.

Level headed gamepass subscribers are gonna do ok from all the mergers.

As to new leaks about hardware it all seems like damage control. I hope Xbox are not planning new hardware for a long time yet.

Anyone claiming they know what Xbox will do are just as bad as those saying they will sell their Xboxes and as for again blaming “the Sony crew” it’s ridiculous.

The Xbox community, we need to look at ourselves and how we’ve responded and dealt with firstly the mergers and secondly these rumours before we start throwing rocks about.

Nothing Xbox announces will change what your Xbox can do, will not change the games it can play, worst case it’ll mean more money for more and deeper games.

Even if Gears ends up on ps5 so what it’s been out years and years…..

People need to chill and get some perspective

Whilst it’s a bit short and could be longer this is actually a very decent game. I liked it as much as RE2 but coz of length RE2 does beat it.

The toxic nature that some go about their fave bit of plastic and cables is ridiculous. The same people that are furious now are the same people mad at anyone that suggested the mergers might not be as good as they seemed.

All some wanted was more games on game pass. That’s fine. I understand but also there was always gonna be a cost.

I’m all for Xbox studios releasing on other platforms. They won’t release everything and with all the third party IPs they now own it makes sense.

Honestly I can’t really see why anyone would be upset or selling their console.

Pathetic.

Win win here.

When Activision joined Bethesda it was always possible this would happen.

Gamepass still gets amazing value.

Xbox will ring fence a nice selection to be Xbox only.

Xbox owners with Gamepass are happy.

Ps5 owners get more choice.

No one loses.

Surprised at a backlash about this

This place has some really toxic members.

Multiple places have reviewed this game well. Many many people that actually played the test version…. Said it was good.

Everyone is ready to pile on.

It’s not that bad and is in fact a good game and people claim WB paid off the reviewer?!?

Not that a few angry YouTubers that are angry at this game are angry for clicks maybe? Like all the other half decent games that get buried.

And as for “8 is a half decent score” comments. No 8 out of ten is an excellent score. It’s a strange world where people think a 8 of ten is just decent.

Was average. Maybe slightly ahead of the last Xbox one. Both probably 6 out of 10. It’s gonna be a slow year for me.

Hoping for some shadow drops or unexpected 3rd party titles.

The state of the comments here. If this was Sony the same people would be saying VERY different things.

This is 1900 families that now have a real struggle at the worst of times

The company spent billions.

It’s a bad look. Those saying “this is expected” could you be more preprogrammed but the richest 5% the rich 5% have double their wealth in the last few years. Whilst the rest have shrunk their wealth.

This isn’t needed and the richest will still make record profits.

Stop validating this behaviour

Massive demand for a good tennis game. This will sell loads.

But the Mafia tennis crossover…… the skill set to make and design those two games can’t be too similar? 😂

“Ill wait for it on gamepass”

It giveth and it taketh away

@trev666 that’s not how it works in a gamepass model. Games need to make players play them over a long period. Gone are the days they expect players to binge a game in a weekend and move on.

Guys like this Twitter that’s quoted defending this are the worst thing about gaming. Large businesses are always terrible and make decisions that make no sense. It’s why we must call them out. Demand better and more. The constant apologists…. They have no excuse. They get no profits. They just defend defend defend blindly. Never defend a company blindly like you are on a “team” remember you are a customer and not a “fan” demand more and don’t be offended if others want more or better.

The Xbox community used to be my fave. Last few years more and more it’s become toxic. Luckily loads of people here and otherwise are still awesome.

Just don’t take criticism of a company personally. Don’t believe in console wars or culture wars.

If you don’t think it’s a big deal that’s fine but it might be to others.

@GrumpyDev I’m so glad this comment, the most sensible on this thread has the most likes.

If you read the comments on this site it often paints us Xbox owners as slightly unhinged.

It’s nice to see that it’s a vocal minority with their crazy “us” and “we” comments and the majority seem to lean towards sensible comments like yours

I really dislike tweets like that. Just flames the pretend “console war” for a lowest common dominator that loves that sort of nonsense.

Also as others have pointed out it’s not really a brag at 13.99 a month. If it was a £70 game it’s more of a brag

I’m the first to say if something needs calling out.

This is not it.

What a nonsense.

@Dan1283 the best game should get it mate. Not a game just so you can say an exclusive of your fave bit of plastic justifies your purchase.

lol at the top ten.

Forza really?
Highfi so high?
And Starfield one?

Like that’s people just voting off the back of one word. In surprised Redfall isn’t there tbh.

The irony of a couple of posters above question this guy with the absolute hot takes they regurgitate over and over in these comments.

Pot kettle black.

@Yukairi thanks mate. Appreciate the answer.

A couple of weeks ago I was moaning about Xbox sales. They’ve been so poor. This makes up for it I’ve spent a fortune. Cracking sale

Does this have any solo content at all?

@AverageGamer you are missing the point. NES games are 40 years old and people still play them. There is no need for the solo player mode to vanish

Need to check which I have on disk and which digital as I’ll pick a few of these up if it’s the disk versions I have

@KillerBoy for sure. Doesn’t make it right. I won’t by the latest one even though it’s right up my street because it’ll vanish forever in a few years.

It’s just not cricket.

I know it’s a driving game not cricket.

@FraserG cheers mate. At least that’s something. That F1 kart game is actually half decent. I was 90% sure it was playable without internet connect but these days you never know.

Crew should be playable offline. Simple. Most people played it like an offline game. Are any others on the list becoming unplayable offline?

@theduckofdeath the more you play it you get used to it. But it’s not a “good feature” - can you turn off the level up alerts in race? I’d rather just know at the end?

Like most games these days you might be able to skip the grind stuff like the practise but it was a silly design choice. It’s like in Horizon 5 you can ignore the live stuff and Forzathon things but so much cool stuff is tied into it. I’m just not a fan of all that. Horizon 3 and MS 7 both got Forzathon right. They were fun and achievable

Unfortunately there are so many people that call any one that says stuff that’s annoying or they don’t like “outraged” - Forza MS was my hope for the Game of the Generation so far….. on the track it’s solid. F MS 7 was 10 out of 10 on track so it’s no surprise.

So many other decisions hold the game back. The forced practise stuff. The bizarre pick your own place on the grid for more rewards. The level each car up thing. It’s all a very grind heavy design.

I played it for a couple of hours and just didn’t feel engaged. I wondered if I was just not in the mood so I booted up Forza 7 and had a ball and way more fun straight away.

I’m a solo player only. I would imagine there is nothing to moan about on multiplayer (on Xbox) coz the game looks and plays great. It’s just some of the design/mode choices holding it back and for me not making me want to play it.

Gran Turismo had a terrible terrible solo player menu system thing. This is better but the grind is just too much and in several forms.

Often modern games think “grind” is the same as longevity but it’s really not. Fun is longevity.

I’m not “outraged”….. at all. I’ll dip in and out of it and hopefully they’ll tweak things. Just not the clear GOTY it should have been.

@PhileasFragg the only license it’s lost is pretty much the word “FIFA” all the clubs and players stadiums and kits will be present.

The also will have to call the World Cup the world trophy or something but again have licenses for all the national teams. People that buy fifa will still buy EA football.

Bring back EA Sports BIG….

@LoquaciousB people on here say I’m anti Xbox but they just don’t read my posts. I agree I think even up to £240 a year would be insane value tbh. Especially with the mergers and future game schedule. You just have to use it right and not be buying games on top. There is plenty on there. The main way to get the best value is to only own Xbox. That’s not a joke.

If you only own an Xbox and play it daily and love to try new games it’s crackers.

If you like niche games. It might not be the same.

I literally spent 200 hours plus on a game which will never come to gamepass where you only turn left. I’m not the proper target market

@LoquaciousB aye. I do the Pc stuff everyday at work but I just don’t game enough these days and I game on a few platforms so there just isn’t the hours in the day and I forget. The Pc stuff alone isn’t anywhere near enough to get it free

@BrilliantBill it’s a fair point about Ubisoft! But that was a crazy price!

@Kaloudz that’s cool then. I don’t think they’ll change rewards anyway. To get a completly free sub you have to put in some hours, it’s not like loads of people can be doing it.

@Kaloudz but you admit you don’t pay a penny for it.

So if they removed the ability to pay with reward points would you be so delighted?

I’m fine with the price rise by the way. It was always coming.

@Ooccoo_Jr No not at all. But I don’t use it properly. You have to embrace playing from the selection of games and not just play games you’d buy and you have to pretty much stop buying games and play games from this. I have no issue with that as a model but I play too many niche games that’ll never make it on GPU and also I play steam deck, switch and PlayStation. There isn’t enough hours in the day to sustain a sub model value.

That’s ok though. Doesn’t mean for others GPU isn’t good value. At £70/80 games you only need to enjoy three a year I guess.

No problem with the price increase. If you use it right it’s still incredible value. Was always going to happen with Bethesda and Activision deals.

Also GPU is going to start to deliver regular exclusives that was always gonna drive price up

As much as I don’t like GaaS elements you cannot knock the extras they’ve thrown in with this game. I will deffo be taking a look at the story addition
Also is the new dlc included in the ultimate edition?

@Zoidpilot4 shake my head. It’s sad that consoles have become something akin to a sports team.

I don’t try and bait anyone. I speak how I feel. Nothing I say is outrageous or offensive.

I am not a “defend Xbox” at all costs. I’m a “expect better from all three”

ninetendo, Sony and Xbox all do things that should drive any gamer crackers at times. It’s been extremely frowned upon to question anything Xbox and that’s both sad and ridiculous.

I don’t need or seek to change anyone’s mind. There are some great posters here who are balanced and sensible even if I don’t agree with them. There are also plenty of “Xbox only” crew that are mentally too invested.

I love my Xbox why would I sell it? And which Xbox? I own 6 different units from the different generations, and about 600 hundred physical games.

I could bore you for hours with my love of the OG Xbox and how strong “only on Xbox” games were. What a beast of a machine.

I’ve been vocally against both the Bethesda and Activision deals because I genuinely think even for Xbox only gamers it’s bad news. It will result in less games overal as three companies worth of games and IPs have to fit it one GPU calendar schedule - nothing in my argument is remotely controversial and it’s a fact.

Before the take overs you could have Halo, Doom and Call of duty all release in the same month. You’d be lucky to get 2 in a year now.

Also I’d rather pay for day one exclusives and get less elements of GaaS than currently we are seeing.

I don’t play online. I play solo.

Instead of being on the defence or seeing me as baiting - try actually reading my comments and you’ll find they aren’t negative. They are a valid point of view backed up with logic.

@theduckofdeath yes he is blameless and once again it’s everyone else. Poor Xbox. They are relentlessly picked on aren’t they.

It’s disgusting.

The fact so many on here can’t take any criticism of Xbox or him is sad.

I love my Xbox. It’s a great machine. But their PR and “Xbox defence league” is such a turn off.

Again my integrity on this thread has been questioned by others and I’ve been told to sell my Xbox

It’s very sad that by questioning the dubious Xbox studios output and to be against the Activision take over deal that I’m somehow not worthy to post here.

Sad reflection of other fragile state of mind.

When you are the main person for a large company you have to watch what you say. I dont think his words were misconstrued I think others have twisted them to sound better.

At the end of this year I think he could probably say it all again and it sound better, as I believe at that point Xbox will have whacked out 2 9/10 out of 10 games in starfield and Forza. Then you can say, even 10 out of ten games won’t sell consoles if you believe it.

I don’t believe it, I think starfield and Forza will be awesome and sell units. If you are putting games out like that 4 times a year….. the gap closes for real.

So what he said however you spin it or whatever you think he means is wrong.

It’s been a long gap since Forza H5 which was a cracking game too.

Nowt wrong with demanding more, especially when you pay subscription.

I suspect on reading this I will discover you have reading comprehension skills as many on here just want to be offended by anyone that thinks Xbox can and should do a little better with their output.

Hit reverse hit reverse.

I was only meant to say that behind closed doors.

I find it hard to believe from the words he actually said anyone misconstrued his words at all. He was very clear.

Not another dreaded Xbox JPEG. Not more “exciting times ahead” I look forward to actual exiting times.

The amount of legal experts in this field that are regulars on Pure Xbox is amazing. We are very lucky to get their insight for free.

Well that’s a terrible decision for a game series that gets delisted incredibly quick.

Also goodbye to playing on steam deck.

Love playing 4/5 on steam deck.

Always logged on to play a solo player mode. Ugh.

It’s so not necessary!

@IronMan30 exactly all the “you don’t understand what in game engine means” no we do and that’s the issue.

It’s still not gameplay and all showcase we saw very little of what games might actually play like. That’s an issue.

@Banjo- I know it’s not time yet. It will be. 3 only went last year didn’t it? Although the last few years are a blur for me it might have been longer. Motorsport 7 has gone? Or is it still up? I’m still sore I never got to play Forza H1 rally expansion. I have everything else Forza.

I notice a lot of the folk saying “not a problem” and saying here comes the faux backlash - didn’t leap to the defence of Gotham Knights. Which was a very decent game that suffered horrendous press due to 30fps. I guess to get the online defence league you need to be Xbox studios these days.

On the FPS - won’t make any difference to me. As long as it plays well