Stocksy

Doesn’t bode well for the planned releases for the next 12 months. It seems like we’ve been teased with games that will come for years and years. We need games to start to come. The hype for Redfall now looks ridiculous. They’d be better on just delivering at this point not teasing a game 4 years away.

“No loss” is not an intelligent or sensible response. People paid for this game and it’s being removed less than a year after release. This is outrageous.

The apathy from the gaming industry to stand up against rubbish like this is mind blowing.

@lacerz it’s hilarious people still claim there is a boycott. It’s the uneducated not understanding a complex issue. Which is a shame. Coz many of them need educating.

Either way it’s a good game and been an interesting spectator sport watching the faux anger at the game.

Ubisoft have massive sales and their games don’t hold their price physically either.

So it’s a never from me. Even their big games day one is no pull….. the cost is ridiculous.

Two people have said they will pay in this entire thread and both for the new AC game. Just buy it. Honestly.

@WallyWest for many their console choice is like supporting a football team…. You do it blindly and hate anyone that doesn’t agree with everything they do and say.

Where as much like politics - you shouldn’t blindly support any single company blindly and should act like a customer and not a “fan”, you should not support a political party you should support the one making the best policies at the time.

Lol. Very reliable sources said the CMA would approve it too. As reported here. People aren’t learning. Best wait for the actual result eh.

Don’t hang out any bunting just yet.

@Kevw2006 fair dues. Still having involved is for me personally a bad look. This guy has no morales and has represented some horrible people. I know people will say…. That’s lawyers and maybe they are right. Just not a fan of “Pannick on the streets of London”

EA are only number one because COD sells better elsewhere. COD numbers will be bonkers on Xbox if the deal goes through. Although with the gamepass and them technically being Xbox studios do they count? So probably EA are right. EA will be happy as less 3 party big publishers the bigger a partner they are. It’s less competition for them I guess.

Pannick is not a nice guy.
He has a very dubious track record.

The second dodgy one Xbox have employed in the fallout.

I’m not a fan. These are loop hole specialists. No one should be a fan of exploiting loop holes.

@eduscxbox that isn’t true. The Xbox community is the most forgivable community and fiercely loyal in any commercial arena. They can do no wrong. It’s part of how we are where we are. People lap it up no matter what this guy says and no matter what they do.

I hope all his PR and bluster finally comes true. This is a big month and it’ll either be mind blowing or more of the same…..

Let’s hope it’s a blockbuster, the showcase will set the tone.

He keeps telling us big things are coming. Redfall wasn’t it. Let’s hope it’s just a blip.

@Dezzy70 nail on head mate. They should pause everything and just focus on GOOD games. Nothing will lead to success more than good games.

You can make money with average games that have addictive and cash grab mechanics….. but it won’t work if you are a console seller. Everyone is chasing fortnite model. Average game that’s addictive.

I really really dislike this guy.

He is all spin and setting the agenda.

It’s nonsense to suggest microsoft can’t compete. Stop playing the underdog. You are Goliath. Not David.

This we can’t compete if we make good games. Give me strength.

They need to sack this guy. You make good games, and make them often and you’ll compete. Fact. People want the best games. They want a console that gives them the best games. The reason the bought Bethesda and Activision is for good popular games. To try and catch up and make money.

I think the issue is Microsoft just want to make money and don’t care how they do it. So they are trying to do it with a strategy that doesn’t include making good games. It includes making games.

It’s so strange.

They don’t make bad games I’m not saying that. They make ok/good games. But that isn’t their main strategy and that’s so weird.

A lot of pressure on this release as many of us are awaiting for the gold at the end of a long long rainbow.

The game may have bugs and issues (it does) but the main problem is it’s not a very good game. Patches aren’t gonna fix that.

Xbox have told me “it’s the day I’ve been waiting for”for the last two years, hyping every showcase and the hype for Redfall was huge….

I’m still waiting. They need to start delivering and then the hype means something. The good will they’d built will only last so long

User score here is 7.3…. And one of the first comments is about “review bombing” 😂

What’s the opposite of that???

The issue is Xbox are telling their studios they want games with live service elements that have multiplayer/co-op elements….. ironically the one game people wanted co-op - halo - didn’t have it.

I believe you have to let studios do what they want. With Xbox owning so many and with the gamepass model. Let these studios be free. Forget the service elements to hook people into subscriptions. Good games will do it more.

Us Xbox owners are constantly trying to hype up these games in the face of reviews like this because we are invested but seriously…… it’s hard work.

The VGC review was painful. They are big big big Xbox fans over there. It’s basically an Xbox fan site and the review reads honestly and like a 2/3 and he then gives it a 4 just to stay on brand. I feel for him.

I want this game to be a 4 out of 5 too. But it’s just not.

Xbox studios and whoever oversees all the content and joins it up for GPU calendar needs to take a time out and realise it’s not working. We went a year without an exclusive. We got a seriously compromised Halo. We’ve waited for the promised pipe line of hits and when the first big hyped game comes along it isn’t even close to delivering.

Stop the 4 player nonsense. Stop the always online nonsense. Stop the live service.

Get 4 or 5 banging solo player games out of the pipe line and then add in and sprinkle those games with the extras.

Your fans and subscribers will thank you.

You have the studios and the talent to do it.

Another day one game rushed and clogged up with live service style elements. To be fair we were warned. It’s a shame. We need a certified 8/9 on GPU very soon.

We know Forza will be. Forza Horizon was too. But I feel like a good solo player campaign needs to get 8/9 across the board.

After reading about a series of updates in the first few weeks to fix “issues” I’ve held off buying.

Really looking forward to this game but will wait for updates to be issued.

@Titntin I have to agree. I’ve especially struggled that the xenophobic comments against the U.K. have been allowed to stay here. Like the U.K. is a mess but so is everywhere. The CMAs decision shouldn’t be triggering the abuse it is.

I’ve said it from the start the focus should be games and not acquisitions and even gamers now seem more interested in discussing dividing and abusing each other.

So what you own a Playstation and I own a steam deck or whatever - let’s all be civil and discuss a love of gaming.

I own Xbox SX, ps5, oled Switch and steam deck.

The relentless defend “my console” narrative is pathetic.

This whole sorry affair has brought out the worst in so many and quite a few posters here I thought were nice people really aren’t. The bile they’ve posted is disgusting.

Also so many are still willing to die on a hill when they’ve been misinformed and don’t understand the topic.

Either way.

I look forward to games. Especially the massive pipe line of xbox games apparently coming…. Let’s hear more about them and not acquisitions all the time.

@Markatron84 this whole saga has brought out the worst in many. Especially in the last few days. Ridiculous overblown reactions on both sides. People really wanted COD for free and were so invested I’m actually quite shocked.

Ditto on the celebrations on the other side.

The xenophobic comments towards the U.K. have been OTT too.

Mixing comments would be a disaster.

I personally can’t wait for it all to be over whichever way it goes.

I won’t play COD if it’s free on my GPU or if I have to pay for it, I’d like more third party games and more competitive markets so that’s my only horse in the race and even then it’s a grey area on this deal with the Bobby stuff and the fact they already sleep on all their IPs.

It’s a mess.

@Kevw2006 exactly. If the deal was a clear cut as so many “experts” claimed - no way would Xbox be throwing 10 year deals like candy.

Their whole strategy has been one to try and push the deal through. These deals are now all sounding a bit silly.

@Sol4ris that made me lol.

A few on here a fully paid up members of the “project fear” everything is a conspiracy when they lose GBeebies style of life. I suspect our Nintendo themed friend might be Farage. Makes about as much sense.

A company working with Microsoft back Microsoft.

Hold the front page.

At least you can see the logic of what they say. It’ll make their offering better. Greed again.

Same as the nonsensical ramblings of some on here. “CMA is corrupt” - ok Trump.

Don’t like a result - call it fake and corrupt.

It’s sad people are like it.

@PsBoxSwitchOwner @Hamst88 yeah I used to think that poster was a sensible guy. He has embarrassed himself with his responses to this deal.

So many just seem blind to what was always going to be a complex deal.

As soon as Xbox started 10 year deals and taking adverts in tube trains trying to push the deal through I knew it was on the skids.

If it was a “clear” as so many made out they wouldn’t have bothered with any of that.

@Titntin lmao!!!!! Finally some light relief in all this.

So everyone that relentlessly mocked Sony on here for throwing their toys out the pram…. What’s this then?

This whole thing has left a bad taste in my mouth. Both Sony and Xbox and unfortunately many websites and posters online. The anger and ridiculousness posted during this saga.

Some of you should be ashamed.

@Sol4ris haha. I agree 100% with that.

@Widey85 it’s not just your experience Asda is now more expensive than Sainsbury’s and Tesco. In all reality the store should be empty. They are surviving on the fact people still believe Asda is cheap.

Yeah agreed. I’ve wanted them to focus on what they have for years. They don’t need to buy this IMHO they could use the money to really rocket launch what they already have.

So many brilliant “only on Xbox” games historically. They could be going hard like the used to.

I’d take a new Buffy game for a start. Back then a Buffy game being “only on Xbox” was big news.

I think buying this is all a bit dull and predictable. Also I want 3rd party left alone. More choice is good.

Xbox (Unlike Asda) don’t need activision to catch Sony. Not that they are in the same race really.

I think there is room for Nintendo, Xbox, Sony and now the steam deck.

Anyone know if anything removed? Anyone know what licenses had expired? Music? Products in game? Has it got real cars?

For years “experts” and Industry “insiders” said smoking was good for you……

It’s a bit boring seeing these clearly biased views. Just as boring as seeing the same on the other side saying it’ll destroy gaming.

It’s clearly not a great deal for gamers as it’ll mean less games. However it’ll mean no Bobby at Activision.

The deal has pros and cons it’s complex: it was never gonna be as smooth as the gaming media made out but let’s be fair gaming journalists are never gonna be nuanced business experts.

Xbox are not a charity and they are doing this deal for the good of gamers. That narrative is ridiculous.

I’m more in favour of the deal than I was but I still think 3rd IPs should be left 3rd party.

And all the pathetic CMA wanted to block this from the start. It’s a conspiracy against it is pathetic. Microsoft and its “hardcore” fans are sounding like trump and his supporters.

It’s a turn off.

The deal will still go through things like this are never smooth. Although I said Sainsbury’s and Asda would still go through and it didn’t.

Let the monkey see the nuts then….

I can’t wait for Forza the game I’ve most been excited about since the last Forza.

But other than that it’s been mucho hype and not much delivery really for my personal tastes. But gaming in general isn’t performing like it used to for me.

Indiana Jones can’t come quick enough….

The the nun to Indy….

@NEStalgia “sudden reversal from all indicators” where were you getting those indicators? The gaming media? They clearly had it wrong from the the start. I’m shocked so many “gaming experts” thought this deal would sail through and now why so many are emotional. The gaming media narrative from the start has been ridiculous on this.

The deal was always going to be problematic and the extent Xbox went to promote the deal was a signal they knew that.

The deal will still go through. Money talks.

Although I said that about Sainsbury’s and Asda and it died in the water.

The cloud aspect is the bit that seems most off for me which is why I think the deal will pass in the end.

@K1LLEGAL it’s been the only reason I don’t like the Activision and Bethesda deals…. The GPU model means Xbox will release 4/5 AAA games MAX a year. When you start listing all the IPs they would/do own it’s a VERY long wait between some. Especially when you consider COD will be yearly whatever they do

I’ve always said I’d rather pay and get more games/choice.

@FraserG haha. The deal will go through in the end I’m almost certain of that.

@Widey85 we are just as bad as everywhere else. Most of us don’t support the tories more of us didn’t vote for Brexit that did. It’s no excuse for xenophobia coz a bit of plastic isn’t gonna have a free game. I’m just not into it. It’s lazy for non brits to start abusing the U.K. we can abuse ourselves though. Lmao

Ah good more conspiracy theories and culture style wars created by rich dudes. Don’t buy into it.

@Markatron84 true that. I’d rather the deal go through than hear the nonsense and conspiracy theories from both sides. I’d like the whole topic to go away and just more solo player games get released. Whatever makes that happen

Can we cut down on the anti U.K. xenophobia comments please. Thanks.

@FraserG we wanna see the pic!! You are saying you cursed it?!?!? FRASER!!!!

Honestly take the passion and bias out of this deal and I’m shocked anyone thought it was gonna sail through. It was obviously bad for the industry on paper. The terrible behaviour of Activision aside. Which meant it’s better to be with Microsoft for sure.

Even as a GPU subscriber I felt the deal was going to struggle for sensible reasons.

I’m shocked it got blocked in the U.K. I thought it would be the other two that would be the issue.

I wasn’t a fan of the Bethesda deal for the same reason - I want more games and more choice not less. Xbox will only release so many in one calendar year. I don’t want to wait years for some of my fave IPs. I’d rather pay. I’m not greedy.

I suspect the deal will happen still as money talks.

I don’t understand why so many really beg for deals like this to happen though.

It’s not the same as your fave sports team signing a star player yet many act like it is.

The thing that worries me now is the activision gets a worse home. Which is entirely possible.

I’m ideal situation would be Activision wasnt run by scumbags and they could actually be a decent company on their own two feet.

Seems unlikely. I suspect deals will done and this will still happen. Either way people shouldn’t be so angry and worked up either way unless they or their relatives work for Activision. Those are the people I feel for right now.

Should be a another poll…

If we could trust people to be honest. Would you be buying this day one if it wasn’t on GPU. I suspect most would answer no.

The last time this was available was “the last game we did” is not the bold claim they think it is. Lol.

I love oval racing so I’m pleased. Not that I really understand what this content is. I avoid all the live service gunk they’ve clugged this game up with. If it’s adding some solo player circuit races to solo player - fantastic which is what the article makes it sound like - if not it’s more content that will vanish forever sooner rather than later.

I recently just got my teeth into storm island on 2 recently. I’d played it before but never threw myself into it, not sure why, it’s amazing, I’d go as far as to say the best DLC Forza has done, I missed out on Horizon 1 rally unfortunately, it’s such a shame storm island is lost forever as it’s really fantastic.

I had hoped the more recent Forzas would be future proofed but it seems the opposite.

The fast and furious stand-alone is also very very good.

The game pass model causes this. You often see people saying “I’m not buying will wait for gamepass” unless MS offer that sweet gamepass money more and more will skip. Greed from gamers has caused this issue and more and more it’ll get worse. Especially with so many clamouring for 3rd party companies to be swallowed up into the GPU calendar. Enjoy your wait for a new doom/fallout etc.

I’d rather pay and get the games I love.

It’s an embarrassment to be seen at number 10 with this current government. Deeply unpopular with voters and will be out and out for a long while when voters get the chance. Corrupt and useless no wonder they are inviting anyone that will come.

As if Microsoft need to “showcase” anything at this point. Number 10 after more freebies and accepting lobbying more like.

@Dezzy70 correct. We haven’t fully embraced the “American dream” yet. We had a good punt at the end of last year - and things like this could have been common place but luckily we said no. Taxing prizes is such a trickle down policy. Taking from the normos at every turn whilst allowing the rich to pay the least possible.

We do have to keep an eye on things like this mind you. They are never far away. Easy to bury a policy like this in a manifesto. It’s why politics is unfortunately important.

@NEStalgia they are from the picture mode though right? I’d imagine the actual racing won’t look anywhere like that and I’m ok with that.

In all reality it won’t touch Forza. Forza is a beast. However it’ll be day one for me and I’ll love it. I haven’t fully looked at all the details released yet, I saw it announced and then might have missed some stuff, hopefully not a crew 2 online only multiplayer Heavy affair and like Forza I can just enjoy in short bursts alone.

I just bought Dakar on steam deck as I read a lot of people complaining it was like need for speed and not a “sim” so I’m happy to dip into that. (Fairly low expectations still) but a rally style arcade game will do me.

This one will be day one if it’s not all MTX/live service nonsense.

I know Forza had loads of that but you can ignore all that it’s still amazing.

Played Forza H2 this week and that’s still one of the best racers of all time. All 5 of them are.