@HardRockGamer Thanks for that. What I have to ask, considering all I have learned in this thread from yourself and others, is, are some of the issues we've seen with xCloud so far been due to console streaming. Like, will PC streaming do away with some of the issues? If it's better I mean.
I've used it before and whilst I've not had a huge amount of issues, I have had to deal with the odd disconnect, some lag, some screen distortion, and other mild stuff. Despite having 1gb internet.
This doesn't look half bad at all. I always cringe a little when I see Free to Play these days. Not because there's much wrong with it, but because it's very, very ballsy to go down this route as a pub / dev when the Free to Play space is massively contested as is. It's a huge gamble.
@WildConcept6 @HardRockGamer Thanks for the info guys. As always, both of you, I appreciate the input. It's always fascinating to learn about things like this, especially if, like me, you don't know much about certain areas in gaming.
One does wonder though, will they cherry pick which games run from PC and which run from console, or will that not really matter? For instance, Stardew Valley. Would that not make much difference from where it was run from (from a technical standpoint, and from the standpoint of a user?).
I'm interested to see where this goes. Perhaps MS has found a way to make it work and a way to balance it? Or perhaps they're banking on a surge of new users through their next gen push? Or perhaps they'll even reinvent their services down the line with this in mind? It just feels like one piece of a much larger puzzle now that you have both put them points forward lol.
Absolutely perfect analogy for this situation and I absolutely agree with all you said. It's easy to blame MS and it's easy to point the finger at them, but where was the team leadership and structure?
They had 11 years since concept of Everwild and still it was clearly nowhere near done. MS wouldn't have shut this or PD down if they were less than a year and a half out. Which draws back to what you've said.
@Kidfunkadelic83 Haha, R6 died with the first game I tried (Siege). It was fun at first, but then after a few weeks, when the tough players got used to the maps, little donut droppers like me didn't stand a chance.
@fatpunkslim @Gabrie @HardRockGamer Thanks guys. With all of that in mind, I'm confused as to why they wouldn't lead with PC versions to begin with. I mean, if they run and work better than console counterparts, why not?
It's not like it makes any difference to the gamer right? Aint the achievements and all that tied to one unified experience regardless as to where you play? Or is that only to XPA?
How is this franchise shaping up since losing the FIFA title? Was there much difference? I remember the owner of FIFA acting like the title was the be all and end all.
To be fair, I think we have to look past generational leaps these days as we once knew them. There's far too much cross gen compatibility to expect major changes out the gate. I'm hopeful we will see something better next gen across the board, or at least faster movement on a leap, so to speak, but as it stands, I think since X1 (across all platforms) prior platforms have held current platforms back.
Nice to see so much support on this front. It's a shame they didn't punch this harder when it first came about but it's great to see them giving it 110% now.
Dumb question maybe, but how different an experience would it be if, say, you streamed Ghostwire Xbox vs Ghostwire Xbox PC? When this rolls out at the end of the journey, I mean.
Not that it makes any difference to the user - everything is still streamlined with cross-play and cross-save. I'm just curious as to what differences there would be. Are cloud-based games on PC streamed better or something?
@Evilinsane See, I had a lot of fun with their Sea of Thieves, but that wasn't really great until, I'd say, two years post-launch. Fun, indeed, but not great. Before that, I'd very much agree with you. Rare Replay was solid, but that was pretty much just a collection of their best hits from a time in which they were at their best. So yeah, I'd agree heavily with you there. I don't blame MS in the slightest given their hands-off approach.
Truth be told, there'd have been hundreds of devs that would have loved a ten year paid deal by MS to create something - which is roughly how long it's taken for Rare to concept Everwild and make something (which they ultimately didn't deliver on). I don't think Everwild would have been cancelled if it was less than 18 months away. Anything more than that and I'm sorry, that's just taking the mick - on Rare's part. They got too comfy with that blank cheque lifestyle.
@wildcat_kickz Haha, I don't mind our back and forth Yeah see, I read somewhere that the teams within CoD cycles were going to start taking longer between releases - but then, on the other side of the coin, we're still getting something CoD based on a yearly basis. It surely must be profitable or they'd stop doing it, but I do miss the days of Infinity Ward > Treyarch > Sledgehammer - round and round we go.
I used to play it so much, but these days I just do the campaigns. My old reflexes just cant keep up with the current gen gamers. They're freakin' way too fast lol. Though I suppose when I was in my youth, I was doing the same to those in my position.
All said and done, I'd love a remaster of Blops 1 / 2, and WaW. If even just the maps and campaign (MW Remastered style). Blops 1 is my fave CoD of all time. I was a beast with the old Galil weapons.
@AlwaysPlaying That's true. I suppose one way to look at it from a fair point of view would be to expect higher ups to be more honest. Like "we're creating an AI to do your job at some point in the future, here's your timeline" so that the lower folks know where they stand.
@wildcat_kickz Yeah that's a wise shout. It's annoying but understandable from a dev-point of view. Still, wouldn't it be nice to have the ability to see what creativity can happen without all these barriers. The one I always question is the German censor (Wolfenstein and Swastika). I mean, it happened... I get that they don't want that associated with the country anymore, but, history is history IMO.
@GameOverScreen I think that gen (I forget what gen it was numbered as) was probably the strongest gen overall for new content. Back when we'd queue for the shops at midnight.
@CallMeDuraSouka Oh man, if the thought of that doesn't freak you out, go on YouTube and look up Walt Disney Animatronic. That is some freaky stuff O_o
That said, I think AI is a good tool - so long as we're using it, and not the other way round.
I need to test this. I keep forgetting to but I need to give this another shot. I'd love for them to update us regarding their improvements on this front. (capacity, capability ect..)
@wildcat_kickz Totally agree. To be honest though, I don't think I hear of console-implemented censorship all that often - so I wonder how frequent it is? When all is said and done I mean. I wonder if it happens more than we know?
@Cikajovazmaj Yeah I suppose that's one way to look at it, but if it was me, I'd be like, why are they asking me to create AI and teach it to do the same job that I am doing... Lol.
@GameOverScreen He was a character wasn't he!! Lol. I don't know if it was the UK or US, but I remember two people meeting up (teens) and one killing the other. One thing that was found was - I believe - a copy of GTA or Manhunt in the killers bedroom. I remember him jumping on that quicker than you can blink. I was glad he lost his licence to be a lawyer.
@themightyant I'll give it a peek when the time comes, but I have plenty of time. I'm not looking until next year, and probably more towards the end of it haha. I appreciate you both though.
@Questionable_Duck That's very true, very true indeed. Still, you'd think they'd do one final very generous push. I mean anything is better than nothing, right?
@Markatron84 not forgetting that Phil Spencer said in an interview fairly recently that he was pleased with the game's progress, or something to that effect. I imagine that at this point, no amount of progress other than "we're ready to ship" was going to save it from getting the chop.
That was my thoughts on the matter too. I think unless they could guarantee that (on their last status update or in-house meeting) the game was ready for 2026/27 shipping, it was going to meet the guillotine - and rightly so IMO.
Now, at the risk of getting digitally shanked, the memo does make sense. I mean, it's not nice and I get that, but reflecting on the memo alone, it's hard to argue with the reasoning.
Also...
many of the staff cut will effectively be replaced by the AI tools they built and trained
Surely, they knew beforehand that this was a likely outcome? Either way, I wish them all the best...
@Markatron84 I know right? I forget when the internal leaks took place, but I think it was around 2021/22. Maybe even 2023. Not factoring in that the game was supposedly concepted way back in 2014... Rare are great when they work well, but this project just has a whiff of Lionhead about it.
@Coletrain BGaE2 is that bad a delayed project, I consistently forget that it exists when it's mentioned every few years lol!
@wildcat_kickz No, nor me. I'm sure it will be a solid game either way, and if (as you say) it has everything to do with the devs not having to manage multiple versions, then so be it. I do question Sony/MS/Ninty what their stances are, or where their lines sit, in regards to censoring, but I suppose it matters not in the grand scheme of things.
The first trailer was revealed back in 2019, but it went quiet for a couple of years before reports suggested it had been internally rebooted in 2021, and then again it disappeared from public view.
Throw in the internal leaks that said that even Rare didn't know what it was, or what they were doing (to some degree) and it's not hard to see why it got canned. Shame, as I love Rare, but they dragged their heels with this for far too long.
@themightyant See that's not what I want. I don't want to drop that much money on something that will be obsolete in a few years time. I expect it to at least last the course of most a gen (five years plus). Problem with internet searching - when researching something like this - is you get so many different viewpoints lol.
All I am after is a handheld which I plan to get next year, that will play Xbox games (I don't care if it's native, or even Xbox PX) and steam games. My roof is £500. Oh and something that has a good two hour charge on it, or something that charges quite quickly is it runs dry after 90 mins.
@wildcat_kickz Is that seriously the hill people want to die on?
Not me. I'm not one for censorship at all. I wont not play a censored game (unless it's censored to a ridiculous amount) but I would always rather play a raw version over a tamed version.
I mean if it's simply down to player feedback or internet outcry, make two modes (like the classic "play with or without blood") and let the fans censor their own gameplay.
@Sol76 Crazy right? I mean at a quarter the asking price I might have picked it up (I enjoyed all the movies and even the mini series) but at this price it's just not worth the risk of not liking it.
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Re: Rumour: Xbox Is Working On Next-Gen Cloud Gaming, Including PC-Based Streaming
@HardRockGamer Thanks for that. What I have to ask, considering all I have learned in this thread from yourself and others, is, are some of the issues we've seen with xCloud so far been due to console streaming. Like, will PC streaming do away with some of the issues? If it's better I mean.
I've used it before and whilst I've not had a huge amount of issues, I have had to deal with the odd disconnect, some lag, some screen distortion, and other mild stuff. Despite having 1gb internet.
Re: Delta Force Beta Goes Live In Select Regions Ahead Of Free-To-Play Xbox Release
@beltmenot THAT is still going?
Re: Xbox Summer Sale 2025 Now Live, 1000+ Games Discounted
@Lightbubulz What is XII like? I heard it was far removed from the standard FF game.
Re: These 20+ Xbox Games Are At Their 'Lowest Price Ever' In The 2025 Summer Sale
There's some great deals in here!
Re: Xbox Console Exclusive 'ExoMecha' Finally Has A New Release Window
Wrong sort of game to make exclusive.
Re: Delta Force Beta Goes Live In Select Regions Ahead Of Free-To-Play Xbox Release
This doesn't look half bad at all. I always cringe a little when I see Free to Play these days. Not because there's much wrong with it, but because it's very, very ballsy to go down this route as a pub / dev when the Free to Play space is massively contested as is. It's a huge gamble.
Re: Rumour: Xbox Is Working On Next-Gen Cloud Gaming, Including PC-Based Streaming
@WildConcept6 @HardRockGamer Thanks for the info guys. As always, both of you, I appreciate the input. It's always fascinating to learn about things like this, especially if, like me, you don't know much about certain areas in gaming.
One does wonder though, will they cherry pick which games run from PC and which run from console, or will that not really matter? For instance, Stardew Valley. Would that not make much difference from where it was run from (from a technical standpoint, and from the standpoint of a user?).
I'm interested to see where this goes. Perhaps MS has found a way to make it work and a way to balance it? Or perhaps they're banking on a surge of new users through their next gen push? Or perhaps they'll even reinvent their services down the line with this in mind? It just feels like one piece of a much larger puzzle now that you have both put them points forward lol.
Re: Free Play Days: Try These Xbox Games For Free (July 17-20)
Does Skull and Bones have a decent playing community?
Re: Two Games Are Available Today With Xbox Game Pass (July 17)
I'll certainly be giving MFN a go, that looks pretty interesting.
Re: John Wick Hex Discounted To Just $2 Ahead Of Xbox Store Delisting
That's more like it.
Re: Rare Comments On Everwild Cancellation For First Time Since Xbox Layoffs
@Jark too many cooks running wild in the kitchen.
Absolutely perfect analogy for this situation and I absolutely agree with all you said. It's easy to blame MS and it's easy to point the finger at them, but where was the team leadership and structure?
They had 11 years since concept of Everwild and still it was clearly nowhere near done. MS wouldn't have shut this or PD down if they were less than a year and a half out. Which draws back to what you've said.
Re: Ready Or Not: How To Turn On Crossplay Between Xbox, PS5 & PC
@Kidfunkadelic83 Haha, R6 died with the first game I tried (Siege). It was fun at first, but then after a few weeks, when the tough players got used to the maps, little donut droppers like me didn't stand a chance.
Re: Rumour: Xbox Is Working On Next-Gen Cloud Gaming, Including PC-Based Streaming
@fatpunkslim @Gabrie @HardRockGamer Thanks guys. With all of that in mind, I'm confused as to why they wouldn't lead with PC versions to begin with. I mean, if they run and work better than console counterparts, why not?
It's not like it makes any difference to the gamer right? Aint the achievements and all that tied to one unified experience regardless as to where you play? Or is that only to XPA?
Re: Who Needs GTA 6?! Bus Simulator 27 Has Just Been Announced For Xbox Series X|S
I love the influx of sim games lately.
Re: THPS 3+4 Designer Calls It 'One Of Greatest Achievements Of My Career', Despite Being Laid Off In February
I've yet to try this out, but plan on doing so once I'm done with RE CV.
Re: Talking Point: The Xbox Summer Sale 2025 Is Upon Us, So What Are You Hoping To See?
If they drop Elden Ring and the sequel, I might just double dip.
Re: Oblivion Remastered Update 1.2 Adds New Difficulty Options, Here Are The Full Patch Notes
I plan on jumping back into this soon. E33 ultimately stole my attention.
Re: EA Sports FC 26 Launches For Xbox In September, Includes 10-Hour Game Pass Trial
How is this franchise shaping up since losing the FIFA title? Was there much difference? I remember the owner of FIFA acting like the title was the be all and end all.
Re: Opinion: Xbox Series X Still Hasn't Been Fully Utilised Yet, But 2026 Could Be The Year
To be fair, I think we have to look past generational leaps these days as we once knew them. There's far too much cross gen compatibility to expect major changes out the gate. I'm hopeful we will see something better next gen across the board, or at least faster movement on a leap, so to speak, but as it stands, I think since X1 (across all platforms) prior platforms have held current platforms back.
Re: Ready Or Not: How To Turn On Crossplay Between Xbox, PS5 & PC
@Kidfunkadelic83 Thanks man. I get Rainbow Six Siege vibes from it, is that fair to say?
Re: Neverwinter Nights 2: Enhanced Edition Is Out Now On Xbox, Early Reviews Are Quite 'Mixed'
Meh, I tried the first one and it just didn't do anything for me. I'll more than likely give this a miss.
Re: Xbox Adds 30+ Games To 'Stream Your Own Game' Library, Including Some Big Titles
Nice to see so much support on this front. It's a shame they didn't punch this harder when it first came about but it's great to see them giving it 110% now.
Re: Rumour: Xbox Is Working On Next-Gen Cloud Gaming, Including PC-Based Streaming
Dumb question maybe, but how different an experience would it be if, say, you streamed Ghostwire Xbox vs Ghostwire Xbox PC? When this rolls out at the end of the journey, I mean.
Not that it makes any difference to the user - everything is still streamlined with cross-play and cross-save. I'm just curious as to what differences there would be. Are cloud-based games on PC streamed better or something?
Re: Two Surprise Indies Are Launching On Xbox (Via Game Pass) This Week
Both of these look pretty cool. I'll be giving them a blast to tie me over until Wuchang.
Re: Rare Comments On Everwild Cancellation For First Time Since Xbox Layoffs
@Evilinsane See, I had a lot of fun with their Sea of Thieves, but that wasn't really great until, I'd say, two years post-launch. Fun, indeed, but not great. Before that, I'd very much agree with you. Rare Replay was solid, but that was pretty much just a collection of their best hits from a time in which they were at their best. So yeah, I'd agree heavily with you there. I don't blame MS in the slightest given their hands-off approach.
Truth be told, there'd have been hundreds of devs that would have loved a ten year paid deal by MS to create something - which is roughly how long it's taken for Rare to concept Everwild and make something (which they ultimately didn't deliver on). I don't think Everwild would have been cancelled if it was less than 18 months away. Anything more than that and I'm sorry, that's just taking the mick - on Rare's part. They got too comfy with that blank cheque lifestyle.
Re: Xbox's Full Black Ops 7 Reveal 'Kicks Off' Gamescom 2025 In August
@wildcat_kickz Haha, I don't mind our back and forth Yeah see, I read somewhere that the teams within CoD cycles were going to start taking longer between releases - but then, on the other side of the coin, we're still getting something CoD based on a yearly basis. It surely must be profitable or they'd stop doing it, but I do miss the days of Infinity Ward > Treyarch > Sledgehammer - round and round we go.
I used to play it so much, but these days I just do the campaigns. My old reflexes just cant keep up with the current gen gamers. They're freakin' way too fast lol. Though I suppose when I was in my youth, I was doing the same to those in my position.
All said and done, I'd love a remaster of Blops 1 / 2, and WaW. If even just the maps and campaign (MW Remastered style). Blops 1 is my fave CoD of all time. I was a beast with the old Galil weapons.
Re: Report: Activision Blizzard's King Team Sees Axed Job Roles 'Replaced' By AI
@AlwaysPlaying That's true. I suppose one way to look at it from a fair point of view would be to expect higher ups to be more honest. Like "we're creating an AI to do your job at some point in the future, here's your timeline" so that the lower folks know where they stand.
Re: Roundup: Here's What The 'Ready Or Not' Reviews Are Saying Ahead Of Its Xbox Release
@wildcat_kickz Yeah that's a wise shout. It's annoying but understandable from a dev-point of view. Still, wouldn't it be nice to have the ability to see what creativity can happen without all these barriers. The one I always question is the German censor (Wolfenstein and Swastika). I mean, it happened... I get that they don't want that associated with the country anymore, but, history is history IMO.
Re: Xbox Quietly Discounts 100+ Games Ahead Of The Massive Summer Sale
@GameOverScreen I think that gen (I forget what gen it was numbered as) was probably the strongest gen overall for new content. Back when we'd queue for the shops at midnight.
Re: Report: Activision Blizzard's King Team Sees Axed Job Roles 'Replaced' By AI
@CallMeDuraSouka Oh man, if the thought of that doesn't freak you out, go on YouTube and look up Walt Disney Animatronic. That is some freaky stuff O_o
That said, I think AI is a good tool - so long as we're using it, and not the other way round.
Re: Xbox Brings 'Stream Your Own Game' To PC App For The First Time
I need to test this. I keep forgetting to but I need to give this another shot. I'd love for them to update us regarding their improvements on this front. (capacity, capability ect..)
Re: Rare Comments On Everwild Cancellation For First Time Since Xbox Layoffs
@kmtrain83 Very true. Very true indeed.
Re: Roundup: Here's What The 'Ready Or Not' Reviews Are Saying Ahead Of Its Xbox Release
@wildcat_kickz Totally agree. To be honest though, I don't think I hear of console-implemented censorship all that often - so I wonder how frequent it is? When all is said and done I mean. I wonder if it happens more than we know?
Re: Report: Activision Blizzard's King Team Sees Axed Job Roles 'Replaced' By AI
@Cikajovazmaj Yeah I suppose that's one way to look at it, but if it was me, I'd be like, why are they asking me to create AI and teach it to do the same job that I am doing... Lol.
Re: Xbox Quietly Discounts 100+ Games Ahead Of The Massive Summer Sale
@GameOverScreen He was a character wasn't he!! Lol. I don't know if it was the UK or US, but I remember two people meeting up (teens) and one killing the other. One thing that was found was - I believe - a copy of GTA or Manhunt in the killers bedroom. I remember him jumping on that quicker than you can blink. I was glad he lost his licence to be a lawyer.
Re: ASUS Seems To Have Accidentally Leaked The ROG Xbox Ally Prices (In Europe)
@themightyant I'll give it a peek when the time comes, but I have plenty of time. I'm not looking until next year, and probably more towards the end of it haha. I appreciate you both though.
Re: John Wick Hex Is Being Permanently Delisted On The Xbox Store This Week
@Questionable_Duck That's very true, very true indeed. Still, you'd think they'd do one final very generous push. I mean anything is better than nothing, right?
Re: Rare Comments On Everwild Cancellation For First Time Since Xbox Layoffs
@Markatron84 not forgetting that Phil Spencer said in an interview fairly recently that he was pleased with the game's progress, or something to that effect. I imagine that at this point, no amount of progress other than "we're ready to ship" was going to save it from getting the chop.
That was my thoughts on the matter too. I think unless they could guarantee that (on their last status update or in-house meeting) the game was ready for 2026/27 shipping, it was going to meet the guillotine - and rightly so IMO.
Re: Report: Activision Blizzard's King Team Sees Axed Job Roles 'Replaced' By AI
@CallMeDuraSouka I mean if they can just purge engineers/ programmers like it's nothing- where does it stop.......
T-800 says hello
Re: Report: Activision Blizzard's King Team Sees Axed Job Roles 'Replaced' By AI
Now, at the risk of getting digitally shanked, the memo does make sense. I mean, it's not nice and I get that, but reflecting on the memo alone, it's hard to argue with the reasoning.
Also...
many of the staff cut will effectively be replaced by the AI tools they built and trained
Surely, they knew beforehand that this was a likely outcome? Either way, I wish them all the best...
Now that's out the way, come at me bro...
Re: Rare Comments On Everwild Cancellation For First Time Since Xbox Layoffs
@Markatron84 I know right? I forget when the internal leaks took place, but I think it was around 2021/22. Maybe even 2023. Not factoring in that the game was supposedly concepted way back in 2014... Rare are great when they work well, but this project just has a whiff of Lionhead about it.
@Coletrain BGaE2 is that bad a delayed project, I consistently forget that it exists when it's mentioned every few years lol!
Re: Roundup: Here's What The 'Ready Or Not' Reviews Are Saying Ahead Of Its Xbox Release
@wildcat_kickz No, nor me. I'm sure it will be a solid game either way, and if (as you say) it has everything to do with the devs not having to manage multiple versions, then so be it. I do question Sony/MS/Ninty what their stances are, or where their lines sit, in regards to censoring, but I suppose it matters not in the grand scheme of things.
Re: Rare Comments On Everwild Cancellation For First Time Since Xbox Layoffs
The first trailer was revealed back in 2019, but it went quiet for a couple of years before reports suggested it had been internally rebooted in 2021, and then again it disappeared from public view.
Throw in the internal leaks that said that even Rare didn't know what it was, or what they were doing (to some degree) and it's not hard to see why it got canned. Shame, as I love Rare, but they dragged their heels with this for far too long.
Re: Xbox's Full Black Ops 7 Reveal 'Kicks Off' Gamescom 2025 In August
I'm quite intrigued for this one. I enjoyed the last outing, but I think they need to do more than what MW3 did for MW2, if that makes sense?
Re: ASUS Seems To Have Accidentally Leaked The ROG Xbox Ally Prices (In Europe)
@themightyant See that's not what I want. I don't want to drop that much money on something that will be obsolete in a few years time. I expect it to at least last the course of most a gen (five years plus). Problem with internet searching - when researching something like this - is you get so many different viewpoints lol.
All I am after is a handheld which I plan to get next year, that will play Xbox games (I don't care if it's native, or even Xbox PX) and steam games. My roof is £500. Oh and something that has a good two hour charge on it, or something that charges quite quickly is it runs dry after 90 mins.
Re: Roundup: Here's What The 'Ready Or Not' Reviews Are Saying Ahead Of Its Xbox Release
@wildcat_kickz Is that seriously the hill people want to die on?
Not me. I'm not one for censorship at all. I wont not play a censored game (unless it's censored to a ridiculous amount) but I would always rather play a raw version over a tamed version.
I mean if it's simply down to player feedback or internet outcry, make two modes (like the classic "play with or without blood") and let the fans censor their own gameplay.
Re: John Wick Hex Is Being Permanently Delisted On The Xbox Store This Week
@Sol76 Crazy right? I mean at a quarter the asking price I might have picked it up (I enjoyed all the movies and even the mini series) but at this price it's just not worth the risk of not liking it.
Re: Ready Or Not Comparison Shows Difference Between Xbox Series X And Series S
Series S sounds / looks good to me. Budget console budget results, but that's not a bad thing by any means.
Re: Three Games Are Leaving Xbox Game Pass In Late July 2025
How is Gigantic going? Didn't that come back from the dead once already? Is it thriving now? I barely hear of it.
Re: These Eight Games Are Coming To Xbox Game Pass (July 17-August 1)
Wuchang for me, 110%. Not a bad ack half of the month at all. My Friendly Neighborhood looks pretty fun too. Sadly Robocop is a pass for me.