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@Medic_alert awesome, glad we could have a friendly debate. I actually like debating, so this was a nice conversation! do you know how hard it is to debate ( especially over the internet) without others thinking that it's a fight or someone taking it personal? haha

@Medic_alert "Everyone has limited time and money and unless you can afford to buy every game on every platform then they very much compete with each other for both your time and money."

• Generally, yes, we have limited time and money, but it isn't about buying every game on every platform. It's about having options to play whatever game on whatever platform you like, when you like. And when we bring exclusives into the conversation, you NEED their hardware if you want to play their games. I don't understand why its (still) taboo for a gamer to have gamer things anyway, sure the companies are competing for your time and money, but why do we care? Were allowed to have them all and use them at our own leisure, options is a beautiful thing. We use options for everything else we own, with several different competing brands in our homes.

"Anyway, I stand by my initial statement that I don't believe this to be anything to do with PC sales - unless of course you have data to show otherwise?"

• I mean, it's absolutely fine if you disagree dude. It's just my theory and opinion. I should have put "imo" in my first comment, but whatever. My only data (since i dont feel like researching) is anecdotal from what I see. Just an opinionated theory.

@EVIL-C I guess man. Surely theres future-proof discounted GPUs available. I did the same thing that you want and managed to get a whole pc for under $2000 with a GPU that wasn't current (3070) and its still future proof, so id imagine just looking for a GPU alone can't be that difficult. you also mentioned supply, so I don't know.

@Medic_alert keyword "rarely" - doesn't mean its never happened a couple times before. Also, what makes you think im talking about power when i mentioned PC? Theres plenty of people that own a gaming PC whos CPUs or GPUs are aged & dated hardware. Steam asks its users for surveys i believe annually, and every single one of them always shows that more than half of PC users have "underpowered" PCs.

i threw the competitor argument because you mentioned relative sales, so by virtue of you comparing sales - theres competition involved. I don't understand why it surprises you that i had a competitive response to a competitive statement, but ok.

"When you are talking about selling over 100m machines all media is in competition for your time"

• Disagree. This is just generalizing.

"How you want to classify those things is of no interest to me."

• It interested you enough to have a reaction to my initial comment and somehow managed to shove nintendo into the conversation.

"And handhelds don't always outsell the home hardware."

• You mean like how underpowered consoles and handhelds haven't always outsold better hardware? Yeah, I know not to generalize.

"The Vita being the easy response but the 3ds didn't outsell the Xbox 360, PS3 or PS4."

• I don't get whats the point of this. Handhelds compete with other handhelds, Nintendo Switch has no competitor. Actually it does, my bad, steam deck.

@Medic_alert People buy consoles for several different reasons, so that statement really isn't true. The series X made no inroads because of the massive failure of the xbox one, which by the way, was a weak console & part of the reason the xbox one sold so bad was because of it's lower resolution compared to the PS4, but obviously that doesn't paint the whole picture so why keep generalizing? The switch is a handheld console, so why keep comparing it to traditional home consoles when its clearly not a competitor? one minute its "nintendo is doing its own thing" to "nintendo is winning vs ms or sony", so which is it? Its no surprise that a handheld (console) is outselling consoles, that's nothing new, nintendo's handhelds have always sold big. The PS2 was on the market an entire year earlier with more third party support and a DVD player - again, why generalize instead of tell the whole truth/story?

My idea isn't any different from yours, you say that the switch 2 is taking away from hardware sales, and im saying PC is. I swear the nintendo bias amongst the gaming space is unmatched. the switch has worsened the bias for nintendo x10 over.

@EVIL-C but you don’t need the latest gpu , I’d presume any GPU that’s close to 2020 and later obviously are good. You can get them on sale but maybe they’re more expensive in canada i guess?

@Medic_alert That sounds way more far-fetched than my theory ever could. Why would people stop buying current gen hardware for a handheld console that’s 2 generations behind, and not even out yet? The switch 2 won’t even be on the level of a steam deck.

It’s because PC gaming is more appealing than it’s ever been.

l4d2 is the GOAT zombie game. got it on pc and 360, but the games just so old now that i naturally moved on. still my favorite game of all time nonetheless

@stinkyx probably because both series concluded basically

The legendary 360 and was blown away! best console i’ve ever had and the greatest console of all time! legendary online, legendary games, exclusives & content, and a legendary adolescent years! long live the 360 ! ill never get rid of mine 🤍💚🩶

also, thank god for hyperkin remaking the 360 controller, it’s still my preferred controller! 💚🤍🩶

this was the fortnite of my generation 😂 THE GOAT!

not with those hideous graphics it wont

Batman’s story is done

@Lanmanna yes but i’m speaking mainly because of Xbox Live and just the overall collection of games that era. we still got new IPs and new ideas that were successful, xbox live arcade was revolutionary as was xbox live at the time

@Kaloudz lucky that you got to experience the dreamcast . i never even heard of it when it was out , just ps2 gamecube and xbox . as a kid i recall only seeing the dreamcast a grand total of one time at someone’s house 😂

@Kaloudz the 360 era was peak Xbox; literally the greatest console of all time

@abe_hikura i bet it’s impossible to truly fix $tick drift . this issue started last gen and hit its full stride this gen, so many wasted dollars on wasted controllers . here we are 5 years later into 9th gen and its still going strong

@Markatron84 Even apex legends fell from grace

@gollumb82 i agree & prefer console as well. which is why i use my pc just like one with a controller. pc has came a long way, times really are changing

@gollumb82 maybe i live under a rock , but i swear it seems like i see more & more people jumping on PC these days . even on twitch , virtually every game that isn’t a (modern) nintendo exclusive has the first several rows of people playing these games on PC.

Helldivers 2 for example has way more players on PC than console & that’s a sony IP

@x3King84 I agree! Halo The MCC definitely deserves a revival 😏

they haven’t made a good NFS in a long time. i hope midnight club can come back one of these days, or split-second. i need an arcade racer so bad. i tried the horizon series but they’re too slow paced or feel like simulators to me

@MonsterMike so is a laptop & steamdeck - both can be played at home & on the go on a television with a controller . PS portal also can be played at home & on the go & the vita .

Why is it that people can recognize the steamdeck as a handheld, but not the switch? it’s the exact same concept.

@Isolte it’s a handheld console , not a home console like people keep trying to force it to be for some strange reason. it’s not a competitor to ps or xbox. Also please don’t be rude , we’re just talking about video games , you don’t have to say “end of story” , like i’m a child.

@TheEstablishment it’s not a matter of opinion, it’s a literal fact that the switch is a handheld. People can agree on something doesn’t make it a fact, just a popular opinion. You don’t have any argument besides what other people think i.e other people’s opinions than any objective facts .

Nothing you say is facts

Definition of Hybrid Device - “a device that combines two or more technologies to create an efficient system”

oh you mean like the ps5 and xbox series and steam deck ?

@TheEstablishment Regardless of how people see it, how does that change the fact of it being a handheld that can be connected to a television via a glorified adapter/middleware called a “dock” (fancy marketing again)? The steam deck is also designed to play on a television and a PC with all controllers , yet it’s still a handheld just feature rich. The PS3 had a web browser & linux support , did that make it a hybrid between a console and PC?

This all boils down to gamers having an unparalleled and extremely biased liking for nintendo , and nothing else. every point i’ve made makes absolute sense , but this emotional nostalgia people have for golden child nintendo is just simply undefeated

also, like i said - literally the only difference between a switch lite and switch is that one comes with a tv adapter and the other doesn’t , but yet the switch is a console? lol yeah ok

@TheEstablishment it’s not a hybrid , that’s just fancy marketing in the same way people called hoverboards “hover”boards , despite being on literal wheels and rolling on the ground. Just because the switch can be connected to a tv doesn’t make it a console; virtually every mobile device can connect to a TV, and can be played with a controller. couple the fact that the literal only difference between a switch lite and switch is that one comes with a dock and the other doesn’t. The GBA could be played on a TV with a GC controller , why wasn’t that called a hybrid?

So yeah, fancy marketing and lingo

@TheGameThrifter switch isn’t a console . why do y’all keep comparing a handheld to home consoles? was this a thing with the nintendo DS too or??

i find that hard to believe . do you know how hard it is to pull away from PC with full controller compatibility with xbox controllers + game bar + all xbox games in superior format+ game pass & literal xbox live integration and FREE ONLINE ?? pc is xbox on steroids

i hope NG4 does well , it seems like the audience for hack n slash are gone, except me & a few people .

@GeorgeKal i looked up metroid dread on a whim and sources say it only sold 3+ mil, which is still a lot. many people believe any platformer that can crack a million is a success.

@Cakefish on the contrary , i’m actually younger than you by several years! i just get anxious when i hear people mention 30+ being old , it just makes me want to stay in my 20s forever 😂

@Cakefish 32…old?

@GeorgeKal what other nintendo platformers sell big numbers besides mario ?

@TeiGekiLord i don’t give a damn about nintendo, so there’s no point in you talking to me about it. you seem to be trying to start an unnecessary argument with me based entirely from your own misconceptions

go find someone else to troll

@TeiGekiLord first of all , who cares about nintendo , i didn’t mention nintendo at all, but it’s funny how they always get shoved in between conversations involving the two main competitors . secondly , i didn’t say they should - i said “it would be nice” .

it’s my opinion

Would be nice if $ony shared with M$, i don’t want a monopoly in gaming. it’s cool that halo (& possibly) gears is coming to PS, but $ony has been so complacent & comfortable for too long now it’ll only get worse than it already is

@Bigmanfan ok that’s too much foreshadowing ! 😂

@Ricky-Spanish the last ac worth playing was AC4 imo.

which is also a 360 game, haha

Bring AC multiplayer back!!

@Justifier yup, i use controller on pc since keyboard and mouse is so uncomfortable, and im really good at shooters

More new and original IPs please. Spyro and crash had there time, can we please get some more new things from the 21st century and 2020's for current 9th gen gaming.

yea theres been some flops for trying something new, but keep trying. everything was new at one point.

i grew up with controller in hand but that doesn’t mean i don’t like gaming on PC too (with a controller!) .

i’ll never game on a mobile device though , it’s just ..ugh. i’m out in the real world y’know 😂 & it’s also just ergonomically uncomfortable

absolutely nothing . resolutions suck , i rather have freedom to do what i want 😂

@RetroMan71 well said

yes , bright as in heaven because Xbox is dying 😛

it’s always interesting to see how much work goes into a game . it’s like watching behind the scenes movies

@EVIL-C i remember that ad too well, it made me look at xbox one as if i was gonna waste my money because the early years were really THAT bad, but i bought one anyway because i loved the 360

i eventually got a ps4 though , so i agree - well played 😂

@EVIL-C i completely forgot about that nonsense . it’s crazy how hard they shot themselves in the foot