Headline should read "People want instant gratification, don't want to earn it."
Seriously though, was anyone expecting anything else when the mp was announced as F2P? I can count on zero fingers how many people are surprised by the pricing model. They don't want you to have everything up front, cuz you'll get bored and move on after a week. The drip-feed keeps gamers playing. How do people not understand this?
Game Pass is their best shot at getting people in. That reputation is so badly tarnished there's no way i'm paying for that game without trying it first. Even if they actually ever release the Series S/X version.
@oldgamerdave If you have Game Pass and can handle the hefty download, there's no reason not to give it a shot. Halo CE is worth a quick playthrough on Easy just to kind of understand the story and the purpose of the halo ring. That said, it's a lot of Halo and could very well burn you out before Infinite hits if you try to marathon it. No pun intended.
Kids nowadays don't know the struggle. Back in the 80's, not only were Nintendo and Sega exclusives strictly exclusive, but when we DID get multiplats, they were completely different games lol.
"Up to 60" makes it sound like it's not a locked framerate. Which, for Souls games, is kinda important. Hopefully these are conservative numbers like what Capcom released for RE Village ahead of its launch.
Framerate issues have always kinda been a thing for Souls games and I'm hoping they clean it up at least on the next gen consoles.
@FriendlyOctopus I'm going to assume so. MS is selling the premium add-on pack for Forza Horizon 5 specifically targeted at Game Pass subscribers. I think this is going to be a thing going forward.
What's so confusing about that? To buy the add-ons, it's $20. To buy the whole package, it's $50. Not sure how they could've made it simpler than that, aside from just making the whole thing free (which wasn't gonna happen).
They took a developer known for their single player, linear, narrative driven games and ham-fisted them into a multiplayer GaaS.
Literally everyone questioned that move, and now a few years later, Squeenix is saying they "might not have been a good fit." I think we can all file this away into the "No f******* s***" category.
I put about 100 hours into Breakpoint. It was a guilty pleasure for a while. I'm not gonna say it was a great game, but it scratched an itch.
I've been wanting to see what the next gen upgrade looks like, but I have a physical copy of the game and own a Series S, so I'm gonna use this free-play weekend to see what the differences are and what the new mode is like.
@OliverOwen An opinion cannot be correct, sir. That's why it's an opinion.
I didn't say I never used them, I still have a lot of games that have never been re-released. I definitely use them a lot less since my CRTV crapped out. But the fact of the matter is, I'm not going to keep them hooked up indefinitely, and playing a version of an older game on a newer piece of hardware, with a better controller, higher resolution and frame rate, and faster loading times will always be preferable to playing on one of the older systems.
I buy new consoles, especially Xbox, not just for those new, next-gen games, but also to play better versions of old games.
I bought an Xbox as a "why not" because I was bored with my PS2 and Gamecube (lol wtf MS making a console). It's been my primary console ever since. 4 generations and counting.
@OliverOwen I have a shelf here in my computer room that has an Xbox, Gamecube, N64, PS2, PS3, Wii, and a Dreamcast sitting on it. Hooking up one of those means dusting it off and finding some place to put it on my desk, digging the wires out of the closet, along with the rickety old ass controller, scavenge my memory cards from whatever dark corner they might be in, finding the AV adapter for my HDTV because they don't have composite inputs anymore, and hooking it all up, just so I can play a completely awful looking up-res 480p signal on my tv.
No thanks. They can give me all the remakes and remasters they want.
A lot of people are assuming this means cloud streaming or cloud-based services, but they didn't mention that in the article.
If anything, what I get from it is that post-pandemic, remote development is here to stay, and the challenges that developers have encountered is that of multiple people in multiple locations all working in sync. Builds have to be uploaded, shared, etc. before the next department can do their part. With a cloud based development environment, they could possibly work via the cloud and see the live results of everyone working on the project, similar to how it would be if they were all in the same office. I believe this is going to be 100% development, as opposed to hinting at what kind of end products we'll be playing on our consoles.
Resident Evil gets my vote just out of pure longevity. That series has some staying power (obviously). Silent Hill gets a nod but let's be honest, the first two games were great and then came a whole lotta 'meh.'
Personally, I would've double down on old Craig. Remove most textures. Simplify the mesh a bit. Tuck him away somewhere secret on the Zeta Halo. Then have him jump out at Master Chief in all his OG Xbox graphics glory and scream "Craig forevah motha****as!"
Wow these are overpriced. I bought a 40-inch Samsung for a little over 200 bucks. It doesn't do VRR or 120hz, but VRR will be less and less necessary as the gen goes on, and 120hz isn't important to everyone.
I'd rather just wait for OLED to get cheaper and more reliable.
With this, Tales of Arise, and FFVII Remake, it's nice to see JRPG's getting with the times in terms of graphics. They're finally not looking like PS3 games anymore! Now all Japan needs to do is evolve their anime style. I swear I've been playing as the same characters for 30 years.
I've been pretty happy with my Series S, but I do still have my One X for the enhanced games (and my physical games).
I've been trying to sell my friend on the Series S. He's still on a base XBO console, so literally any of the new consoles will be an upgrade. He won't budge though; just knowing the Series X exists he's insistent on waiting. That's fine and all, he can do what he wants, but he's going to be getting more and more hard-pressed to stick to his XBO when we're playing the newer multiplayer games without him.
I have a feeling he (and the other holdouts) will eventually grab a Series S as a "for now" console until the X is more readily available. But right now we're still in the cross--gen phase. The FOMO will win out eventually.
It's tough to say. Chaos Theory had the best over-all package, but Pandora Tomorrow offered some interesting twists (like staying IN the light to avoid the night-vision sniper, and the lightning flashes exposing you crossing an open area). Blacklist did a neat thing by combining different types of missions and giving Fisher better moves to counter certain enemies.
The series really did avoid cookie cutter sequels so its a shame its been so long (but its probably for the better considering Ubi's current direction).
Been playing it with a couple of friends. We have a few gripes but nothing that's killing the fun. It is what it is, we'll play through it and enjoy it and then we'll move on.
It would be really nice to be able to replace the optical drive on my Xbox One X that just recently crapped out. Now I have two Xboxes that don't play discs!
I stopped buying CoD about six or seven years ago and every single year, instead of being tempted to go back, they just give me more reasons to be glad I left.
Hmm. Not quite sure why they showed us this. While I did see a few staples of the SR series that give me a slight bit of hope, this quiet, leisurely stroll around somewhat empty streets isn't exactly blowing my skirt up. I was hoping for some action. Was it meant to be a tech demo?
I'll be using it to try out games I'm not sure I want to download to my Series S. It seems to be the general consensus. I would definitely use it more though if I were still gaming on a base XBO.
I didn't get an Xbox until about a year after it launched. The thought that Microsoft (not a hardware company at the time) wanted to release a console next to Sony and Nintendo was laughable. I bought one out of boredom, got Morrowind and Halo used, and experienced what it was like to have a hard drive in a console and built-in broadband. It's been my primary platform ever since. 20 years! (minus one lol).
The Xbox and Gamecube launched practically the same week, if not the same day, so of course I got the Gamecube, as Nintendo was the safe bet. I didn't regret my purchase, but I was looking at that Xbox a year later for a reason.
So hyped for this. I've put myself on media blackout for it, as I soaked up everything I could in anticipation for FH4, and felt like I kinda knew everything already by the time the game came out. Going in blind on this one!
As an old fart who has been a GR fan since the original on PC, it's my opinion that GR2: Summit Strike had the best MP in the series. In GR2 and GR2:SS you could play a mission with 16 players and permadeath. The more players that died, the harder it became to complete the mission. Couple that with the non-existence of party chat, and it would get quieter and quieter as you went further into the mission and more people died and got kicked back to the lobby. Everyone in the lobby could watch the rest of the match and could talk to each other but not the living players. Going back to the lobby after dying/finishing the mission would get you greeted with either cheers or boos, depending on the manner of your return. It was some of the best online gaming I've ever experienced. The early days of XBL.
GRAW and GRAW2 had co-op with completely broken A.I. and spawn triggers, and didn't even launch with actual co-op missions until way later (after the GR community complained enough). Even then they were broken messes due to the terrible enemy A.I. that knew where you were at all times and the scripted events that practically forced you to approach the situation exactly the same way each time.
I don't mean to sound elitist, but if you're a GR fan that didn't come around until GRAW or Future Soldier, you really can't understand why some of us older guys have been asking for "classic" GR for years now, to which we have been completely ignored and the series continues to veer further and further away from what made it great in the first place.
Well that sucks. I intend to play online with friends, but that might only happen once a week. i would want to play a little on the side to get better upgrades. If none of us can progress solo, we're gonna be one sorry bunch of survivors.
Played a round. It's very Battlefield 4, which isn't a bad thing. Not a fan of cross-play with PC. It's not a problem right now, but I have a hunch it'll be an issue in the future. Played on a Series S and woo boy there are graphical glitches galore. Hopefully most of them will be ironed out for launch.
It's already being heavily down-voted on Youtube, and for good reason. This is about as far from Ghost Recon as it can get outside of being a kart racer.
It's weird that with the bajillion previews they've done, that the reviews are being embargoed so late. Either that or they didn't send out review copies, which is also kinda shady.
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Re: Halo Fans Grumble About Infinite's Free-To-Play Model, 'Would Pay Full Price To Unlock All Content'
Headline should read "People want instant gratification, don't want to earn it."
Seriously though, was anyone expecting anything else when the mp was announced as F2P? I can count on zero fingers how many people are surprised by the pricing model. They don't want you to have everything up front, cuz you'll get bored and move on after a week. The drip-feed keeps gamers playing. How do people not understand this?
Re: CDPR Has 'No Plans' To Bring Cyberpunk 2077 To Xbox Game Pass
Game Pass is their best shot at getting people in. That reputation is so badly tarnished there's no way i'm paying for that game without trying it first. Even if they actually ever release the Series S/X version.
Re: Roundup: Halo Infinite Hands-On Previews Suggest The Campaign Will Be Worth The Wait
@oldgamerdave If you have Game Pass and can handle the hefty download, there's no reason not to give it a shot. Halo CE is worth a quick playthrough on Easy just to kind of understand the story and the purpose of the halo ring. That said, it's a lot of Halo and could very well burn you out before Infinite hits if you try to marathon it. No pun intended.
Re: Phil Spencer: The Elder Scrolls 6's Xbox Exclusivity 'Isn't About Punishing PlayStation'
Kids nowadays don't know the struggle. Back in the 80's, not only were Nintendo and Sega exclusives strictly exclusive, but when we DID get multiplats, they were completely different games lol.
Re: Elden Ring Graphics And Performance Mode Details On Xbox Revealed
"Up to 60" makes it sound like it's not a locked framerate. Which, for Souls games, is kinda important. Hopefully these are conservative numbers like what Capcom released for RE Village ahead of its launch.
Framerate issues have always kinda been a thing for Souls games and I'm hoping they clean it up at least on the next gen consoles.
Re: Bethesda Reveals Upgrade Prices For Skyrim Anniversary Edition
@FraserG If you're looking to Microsoft for clear naming conventions, you might be barking up the wrong tree
Re: Bethesda Reveals Upgrade Prices For Skyrim Anniversary Edition
@FriendlyOctopus I'm going to assume so. MS is selling the premium add-on pack for Forza Horizon 5 specifically targeted at Game Pass subscribers. I think this is going to be a thing going forward.
Re: Bethesda Reveals Upgrade Prices For Skyrim Anniversary Edition
What's so confusing about that? To buy the add-ons, it's $20. To buy the whole package, it's $50. Not sure how they could've made it simpler than that, aside from just making the whole thing free (which wasn't gonna happen).
Re: Square Enix Suggests Crystal Dynamics Was A Bad Fit For Marvel’s Avengers
They took a developer known for their single player, linear, narrative driven games and ham-fisted them into a multiplayer GaaS.
Literally everyone questioned that move, and now a few years later, Squeenix is saying they "might not have been a good fit." I think we can all file this away into the "No f******* s***" category.
Re: Ghost Recon: Breakpoint Is Free-To-Play This Weekend For Ubisoft's 35th Anniversary
I put about 100 hours into Breakpoint. It was a guilty pleasure for a while. I'm not gonna say it was a great game, but it scratched an itch.
I've been wanting to see what the next gen upgrade looks like, but I have a physical copy of the game and own a Series S, so I'm gonna use this free-play weekend to see what the differences are and what the new mode is like.
Re: Review: Project Zero: Maiden Of Black Water - Plenty Of Flaws, But Still Provides Effective Chills
@OliverOwen An opinion cannot be correct, sir. That's why it's an opinion.
I didn't say I never used them, I still have a lot of games that have never been re-released. I definitely use them a lot less since my CRTV crapped out. But the fact of the matter is, I'm not going to keep them hooked up indefinitely, and playing a version of an older game on a newer piece of hardware, with a better controller, higher resolution and frame rate, and faster loading times will always be preferable to playing on one of the older systems.
I buy new consoles, especially Xbox, not just for those new, next-gen games, but also to play better versions of old games.
Re: Random: No Kidding, You Can Now Buy An Official Halo Soap
Not gonna lie, Master Chief's swampass is probably more legendary than he is.
Re: The Official Xbox Website Has Received An Early 2000s Makeover
I bought an Xbox as a "why not" because I was bored with my PS2 and Gamecube (lol wtf MS making a console). It's been my primary console ever since. 4 generations and counting.
Re: Review: Project Zero: Maiden Of Black Water - Plenty Of Flaws, But Still Provides Effective Chills
@OliverOwen I have a shelf here in my computer room that has an Xbox, Gamecube, N64, PS2, PS3, Wii, and a Dreamcast sitting on it. Hooking up one of those means dusting it off and finding some place to put it on my desk, digging the wires out of the closet, along with the rickety old ass controller, scavenge my memory cards from whatever dark corner they might be in, finding the AV adapter for my HDTV because they don't have composite inputs anymore, and hooking it all up, just so I can play a completely awful looking up-res 480p signal on my tv.
No thanks. They can give me all the remakes and remasters they want.
Re: SEGA And Microsoft Partner Up To Bring Next-Gen Games Via The Cloud
A lot of people are assuming this means cloud streaming or cloud-based services, but they didn't mention that in the article.
If anything, what I get from it is that post-pandemic, remote development is here to stay, and the challenges that developers have encountered is that of multiple people in multiple locations all working in sync. Builds have to be uploaded, shared, etc. before the next department can do their part. With a cloud based development environment, they could possibly work via the cloud and see the live results of everyone working on the project, similar to how it would be if they were all in the same office. I believe this is going to be 100% development, as opposed to hinting at what kind of end products we'll be playing on our consoles.
Re: Pick One: Which Of These Horror Franchises Is Your Favourite?
Resident Evil gets my vote just out of pure longevity. That series has some staying power (obviously). Silent Hill gets a nod but let's be honest, the first two games were great and then came a whole lotta 'meh.'
Re: Poll: Are You Happy With November 2021's Xbox Games With Gold?
MS is pooling their resources into tent-pole releases for Game Pass. GWG is now the poor man's sloppy seconds.
In truth, GWG isn't any different than Game Pass, you still lose access to them if your sub expires. They should just retire GWG already.
Re: Random: Xbox Shows Off Craig's Incredible Transformation In Halo Infinite
Personally, I would've double down on old Craig. Remove most textures. Simplify the mesh a bit. Tuck him away somewhere secret on the Zeta Halo. Then have him jump out at Master Chief in all his OG Xbox graphics glory and scream "Craig forevah motha****as!"
But that's just me.
Re: Philips Reveals Two New 'Designed For Xbox Series X' Monitors
Wow these are overpriced. I bought a 40-inch Samsung for a little over 200 bucks. It doesn't do VRR or 120hz, but VRR will be less and less necessary as the gen goes on, and 120hz isn't important to everyone.
I'd rather just wait for OLED to get cheaper and more reliable.
Re: Visage Gets 'Enhanced Edition' For Xbox Series X|S, Now Available With Game Pass
Maybe it'll enhance my ability to stay awake while playing it.
Re: Square Enix Brings Star Ocean: The Divine Force To Xbox In 2022
With this, Tales of Arise, and FFVII Remake, it's nice to see JRPG's getting with the times in terms of graphics. They're finally not looking like PS3 games anymore! Now all Japan needs to do is evolve their anime style. I swear I've been playing as the same characters for 30 years.
Re: Xbox Engineers Jokingly Switch Dashboard Font To Comic Sans
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Re: Xbox Series X|S Demand Leads To 16% Increase In Gaming Revenue For Microsoft
Not to mention 16% of a few billion dollars is still a significant amount of money. It's not "just" 16% of the previous year's revenue, it's 16% MORE.
Re: Xbox Series X|S Demand Leads To 16% Increase In Gaming Revenue For Microsoft
I've been pretty happy with my Series S, but I do still have my One X for the enhanced games (and my physical games).
I've been trying to sell my friend on the Series S. He's still on a base XBO console, so literally any of the new consoles will be an upgrade. He won't budge though; just knowing the Series X exists he's insistent on waiting. That's fine and all, he can do what he wants, but he's going to be getting more and more hard-pressed to stick to his XBO when we're playing the newer multiplayer games without him.
I have a feeling he (and the other holdouts) will eventually grab a Series S as a "for now" console until the X is more readily available. But right now we're still in the cross--gen phase. The FOMO will win out eventually.
Re: Xbox's Comments About 'Gatekeeping' Are Met With Heavy Criticism
Why even report on twitter comments? C'mon PureXbox, you're better than this.
Re: Forza Horizon 5 Pre-Install Now Available, 100GB+ On All Platforms
@would_you_kindly Consider it a rental.
Re: Pick One: Which Is Your Favourite Splinter Cell Xbox Game?
It's tough to say. Chaos Theory had the best over-all package, but Pandora Tomorrow offered some interesting twists (like staying IN the light to avoid the night-vision sniper, and the lightning flashes exposing you crossing an open area). Blacklist did a neat thing by combining different types of missions and giving Fisher better moves to counter certain enemies.
The series really did avoid cookie cutter sequels so its a shame its been so long (but its probably for the better considering Ubi's current direction).
Re: Talking Point: Are You Enjoying Back 4 Blood On Xbox Game Pass?
Been playing it with a couple of friends. We have a few gripes but nothing that's killing the fun. It is what it is, we'll play through it and enjoy it and then we'll move on.
Re: Square Enix Is Still In 'Positive' Discussions To Bring Final Fantasy 14 To Xbox
I stopped playing FFIV years ago. A monthly sub is so passe.
Re: Bethesda Celebrates The Evil Within Series’ Spooky Anniversary
Evil Within 2 had probably one of the coolest looking final bosses in recent memory.
Re: Unsighted Is Proving To Be A Hidden Gem On Xbox Game Pass
"Competition is so unfair."
Um, you're on Game Pass. That's about as much as two people from Brazil who made a videogame could've dreamed for. Stop playing victim.
Re: Microsoft Considering Offering Xbox Owners 'Right To Repair' Their Own Systems
It would be really nice to be able to replace the optical drive on my Xbox One X that just recently crapped out. Now I have two Xboxes that don't play discs!
Re: Forza Horizon 5 Looks 'Very Good' On Xbox One, Enthuses Playground Games
I wonder if they're going to be unique products, like how Forza Horizon 2 on 360 was different from the Xbox One version.
I only ask 'cuz I want to double-dip achievements
Re: Once Again, Call Of Duty: Vanguard Will Have Exclusive Benefits On PlayStation
I stopped buying CoD about six or seven years ago and every single year, instead of being tempted to go back, they just give me more reasons to be glad I left.
Re: Quake Receives Free Xbox Series X|S Upgrade, Featuring 4K & 120FPS
Still gonna give me motion sickness. But now it'll be 120fps motion sickness!
Re: Saints Row's First Raw Gameplay Footage Has Left Fans Divided
Hmm. Not quite sure why they showed us this. While I did see a few staples of the SR series that give me a slight bit of hope, this quiet, leisurely stroll around somewhat empty streets isn't exactly blowing my skirt up. I was hoping for some action. Was it meant to be a tech demo?
Re: Poll: How Often Do You Plan To Use Xbox Cloud Gaming On Console?
I'll be using it to try out games I'm not sure I want to download to my Series S. It seems to be the general consensus. I would definitely use it more though if I were still gaming on a base XBO.
Re: OG Xbox Creator: People Who Stood In Xbox's Way Are Now Lauding It
I didn't get an Xbox until about a year after it launched. The thought that Microsoft (not a hardware company at the time) wanted to release a console next to Sony and Nintendo was laughable. I bought one out of boredom, got Morrowind and Halo used, and experienced what it was like to have a hard drive in a console and built-in broadband. It's been my primary platform ever since. 20 years! (minus one lol).
The Xbox and Gamecube launched practically the same week, if not the same day, so of course I got the Gamecube, as Nintendo was the safe bet. I didn't regret my purchase, but I was looking at that Xbox a year later for a reason.
Re: Xbox Is Giving Away These Custom Nickelodeon Series X Consoles
Motherf***ers at Xbox keep teasing me with these consoles I'll never have. First that horrendously wonderful Whataburger console and now TMNT?
Also... lol at "kids." I'm 41, dammit.
Re: Brace Yourself, The GTA Trilogy Remaster Could Be Pretty Expensive
A next gen price that better be for a next gen product. Not paying 70 bucks for slightly higher textures.
Re: Roundup: Forza Horizon 5 Impresses The Critics In Early Hands-On Previews
So hyped for this. I've put myself on media blackout for it, as I soaked up everything I could in anticipation for FH4, and felt like I kinda knew everything already by the time the game came out. Going in blind on this one!
Re: Pick One: Which Is Your Favourite Ghost Recon Xbox Game?
As an old fart who has been a GR fan since the original on PC, it's my opinion that GR2: Summit Strike had the best MP in the series. In GR2 and GR2:SS you could play a mission with 16 players and permadeath. The more players that died, the harder it became to complete the mission. Couple that with the non-existence of party chat, and it would get quieter and quieter as you went further into the mission and more people died and got kicked back to the lobby. Everyone in the lobby could watch the rest of the match and could talk to each other but not the living players. Going back to the lobby after dying/finishing the mission would get you greeted with either cheers or boos, depending on the manner of your return. It was some of the best online gaming I've ever experienced. The early days of XBL.
GRAW and GRAW2 had co-op with completely broken A.I. and spawn triggers, and didn't even launch with actual co-op missions until way later (after the GR community complained enough). Even then they were broken messes due to the terrible enemy A.I. that knew where you were at all times and the scripted events that practically forced you to approach the situation exactly the same way each time.
I don't mean to sound elitist, but if you're a GR fan that didn't come around until GRAW or Future Soldier, you really can't understand why some of us older guys have been asking for "classic" GR for years now, to which we have been completely ignored and the series continues to veer further and further away from what made it great in the first place.
Re: Crysis Remastered Is Now Available With Xbox Game Pass For PC
My PC is a calculator.
Re: Back 4 Blood Players Have A Major Concern With Its Solo Campaign
Well that sucks. I intend to play online with friends, but that might only happen once a week. i would want to play a little on the side to get better upgrades. If none of us can progress solo, we're gonna be one sorry bunch of survivors.
Re: Resident Evil: Welcome To Racoon City's First Trailer Is Finally Here
It literally took me until the licker scene to realize that was Leon.
Re: Xbox Players Are Reporting Graphical Issues With Battlefield 2042
On one hand: It IS a beta. Weird graphical glitches and bugs are to be expected.
On the other hand: It's a pretty poor first impression. Why not wait till closer to launch and do a stress test with a later build?
On the.. third... hand?: I don't think I've ever played a Battlefield beta that wasn't dumpster fire.
Re: Marvel’s Avengers Is Seeing A Huge Boost Since Joining Xbox Game Pass
It'll be fun to play through the story missions. I have zero interest in the multiplayer though.
Re: Battlefield 2042's Beta Has Begun For Xbox Game Pass Ultimate Members
Played a round. It's very Battlefield 4, which isn't a bad thing. Not a fan of cross-play with PC. It's not a problem right now, but I have a hunch it'll be an issue in the future. Played on a Series S and woo boy there are graphical glitches galore. Hopefully most of them will be ironed out for launch.
Re: Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Frontline Is A New Free-To-Play, Battle Royale-Style FPS
It's already being heavily down-voted on Youtube, and for good reason. This is about as far from Ghost Recon as it can get outside of being a kart racer.
Re: Ubisoft Reveals Pre-Load Info & Release Times For Far Cry 6 On Xbox
It's weird that with the bajillion previews they've done, that the reviews are being embargoed so late. Either that or they didn't send out review copies, which is also kinda shady.