I'm not going to go into how disgusting and poorly made this decision is again.
It does however seem like it was made at the very last minute. With Hi-Fi Rush just releasing on PlayStation and the Redfall update planned at the end of this month, it looks like this was a shock for almost everyone.
It definitely seems like there's been a big impact on sales by the lack of physical. Such a brilliant game so hopefully a physical version appears for those who have held off.
I remember how completely different the same game would be on Mega Drive and SNES. In some cases, it actually made it worth owning copies for both systems if you had them.
@ShadowofTwilight Microsoft buying a giant publisher shouldn't concern you and they haven't had free reign. They've also been making games well before PlayStation and Xbox even existed so they have credibility in the games industry.
You should however be concerned about companies like Tencent, Amazon, Meta and the Saudi PIF buying things.
If we're just talking about higher resolution, faster SSD and more teraflops then I doubt many people will be blown away.
I think it would be much more interesting for Microsoft to utilise its massive AI knowledge to do the heavy lifting for developers. It could massively reduce the time and cost it takes to produce a AAA game. Or give indie devs the opportunity of a level playing field in creating large scale projects.
It could even be used to optimise games on the fly or create an infinite number of story branches.
A more far fetched use could be using AI to replicate previous Xbox generations so that all games become backwards compatible.
@Weapon_Wheel I literally cannot remember the last time I saw an Xbox advert in the UK. I remember seeing Xbox, Xbox 360 and Xbox One adverts all the time.
Now it seems like Microsoft has either given up or just assumes Xbox will sell on its own with no marketing the way that Windows and Office does.
Shadow of The Damned Killer Is Dead Rayman Origins Blur Black Enslaved Metal Gear Rising DOA Ultimate DOA 3 DOA Xtreme Beach Volleyball DOA 4 Castlevania LoS Mortal Kombat 9 MK Vs DC Universe The Orange Box Portal 2 Blazing Skies Mirror's Edge Psychonaughts Banjo and Kazooie Nuts & Bolts Jade Empire Star Wars KOTOR Perfect Dark Zero Blue Dragon Gears of War Halo Wars
I'm going to be annoyed with myself because I'm sure there are loads more I'll remember as soon as I've posted this.
It's absolutely inevitable that dedicated boxes aren't going to be needed in the future. Every publisher will have their own app subscription that you can sign up to and play their games.
What will be a deal breaker for me is if the only option is to stream. I want to be able to buy and keep the games I want to own.
It's amazing considering the original came out 14 years ago and was exclusive to Xbox 360. They've done a great job in reviving interest in the IP with the remaster and sequel.
@eire-shabba I've said this many times before and completely agree. The future is either a hard drive connected to the internet or a streaming device. Xbox will be an app. PlayStation will be an app. Pay the annual fees and you can play those games.
@Banjo- But if all exclusives are available on other platforms then there's even less reason to buy Xbox hardware. Less Xbox hardware sold means that it's less likely for third parties to release their games for Xbox (including Game Pass). Fewer games available on Xbox hardware means even fewer machines sold and even fewer Game Pass subscriptions. Etc. etc.
Whatever happens it has been handled really poorly. All these rumours have done is damage the Xbox brand in the mind of gamers. People are asking why they've supported the platform if it's all going to be taken away.
I've had time to think about what 'could' happen.
They announce they're going full third party, are dropping Xbox hardware and PS5/Switch will get Game Pass/full price games available depending on the system capabilities. Or they don't drop hardware and release new digital only hardware (handheld included).
They announce that select first party games will be available for PS5/Switch at full price the same day as they're available on Xbox and PC Game Pass. And the current hardware continues as before.
They announce that all Xbox Studio games will be available to play via Game Pass on PS5/Switch with no option to buy the games outright. And the current hardware continues as before. Or doesn't.
They announce that first party games will be available on PS5/Switch and that they're licensing the Xbox hardware to other manufacturers such as Samsung, LG etc. They'll have their own hardware but new hardware is built as a set top box or into TVs.
They announce that the Xbox store will be open to all platforms and people can buy games digitally for PS5/Switch. They'll keep the hardware as before.
It's DEFINITELY either one of the above or some of the above or none of the above.
I'm looking forward to finding out but as an Xbox gamer from the beginning, I can't see how releasing games on other platforms is the right thing to do to reward loyal fans. However, I completely understand that Xbox is just one division of Microsoft and releasing games on every available system makes perfect business sense and will massively increase profits.
I have all 3 systems and have no special allegiance to Xbox, PlayStation or Nintendo's various systems, aside from the memories I have from playing great games on each.
I can only see a negative for Xbox if this is true. If these games are available to buy on PS5 then what incentive is there for anyone to buy an Xbox/Game Pass? In fact, I can see people ditching their Xbox to buy a PlayStation because they'll have the best of both worlds in one system. That in turn gives 3rd party devs less incentive to make games at all for Xbox and even less point in owning one as time goes on.
It's literally a fat tracksuit to becoming a 3rd party publisher.
As much as I love my Switch, it doesn't go after the same customers as PS5/Xbox. Without Xbox as a competitor, Sony can do less, innovate less and charge more. No gamer should be wishing for a one system games industry.
Xbox didn't treat this game the way it deserved to be treated. It's an amazing game that should have received way more love. Hopefully it will get the bigger audience needed for a sequel to be made.
I kind of wish they'd included The Last Revelation, Chronicles and Angel of Darkness too. I know they're not particularly great but for completion sake it would have been nice.
@CharlieChooChoo The lending I can see them having a problem with because, as you mentioned, they would lose money. The trade in thing would technically make them lose money but I think would be a massive win for them PR wise. If you could trade your digital games on Xbox and no other platform holder allowed it, it would be a massive PR win.
Unfortunately, I think the Steam model is the way everything will go. Buy a game. Never own it. F**k off if you don't like it or have completed it because we already have your money.
I've been saying for years that each platform holder should create a digital trade in store. Imagine being able to trade in digital purchases once you've finished a game and get credit towards your next purchase.
@CharlieChooChoo Activision and Blizzard both have a very long history of making games for Microsoft Windows. Far longer than they ever had making games for PlayStation.
I have a PS5 and the DualSense is overrated in my opinion. I find the resistive triggers annoying and crunchy and the haptics a bit of a novelty that doesn't really get used very well. Plus the sharp edges on the prongs just aren't very comfortable for long play sessions. And of course, the left stick is positioned incorrectly. 😂
@Kaloudz I'm glad to see the Dreamcast controller mentioned. That was the pinnacle of comfort for me too. I'd put the Switch pro controller as 2nd though, very closely followed by the current Xbox controller.
@Kaloudz I absolutely agree. I've worked in HR/recruitment for over 15 years at some major global brands and I've had to deliver these kind of layoffs to employees.
It's never easy but, at well run businesses, a natural occurrence. The timing won't help the perception of what Microsoft is doing is the point I was trying to make.
@JayJ The only times I've found gyro controls to be a massive improvement have been with the Splatoon games on Wii U and Switch. Nintendo really nailed it in those games to the point where I'd struggle to play without them.
@rustyduck The day that mainstream gaming becomes streaming only is the day that I check out. I'll happily play my giant backlog of retro games that require no internet/downloads.
I actually really liked the show. It was a good mix of gameplay and dev insight. And there's so much more to come from Xbox Studios that I think they'll absolutely own this year. But that's just my opinion.
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Re: Xbox Is Reportedly 'Considering' Hellblade 2 For PlayStation 5
@FarmDog08 I hope you mean another decade or two gaming and not alive. 😂
Re: Tango Gameworks Founder Responds To Xbox Shutting Down Studio
I'm not going to go into how disgusting and poorly made this decision is again.
It does however seem like it was made at the very last minute. With Hi-Fi Rush just releasing on PlayStation and the Redfall update planned at the end of this month, it looks like this was a shock for almost everyone.
Re: Xbox Is Shutting Four Studios, Including Arkane Austin And Tango Gameworks
Absolutely ****ing disgusting move by Microsoft. Indefensible.
Re: Original Xbox 'Plug-And-Play' Adapter Delivers HD Gaming This October
I have the Kaico HDMI adapter and got it for £25. Will this be that much better to justify the cost?
OG Xbox games already look pretty crisp to me.
Re: Original Xbox 'Plug-And-Play' Adapter Delivers HD Gaming This October
@Aniscape This is a genius idea!
Re: Alan Wake 2 Still Hasn't Made Profit Despite Huge Critical Success
It definitely seems like there's been a big impact on sales by the lack of physical. Such a brilliant game so hopefully a physical version appears for those who have held off.
Re: Lollipop Chainsaw Remake Will Be Getting A Full Reveal Soon, Says Designer
Day one purchase for me. I adored the original and am still gutted it never came to BC because of the music rights.
Re: Sea Of Thieves On PS5 Has Slight Edge Over Xbox Series X, Notes Digital Foundry
I remember how completely different the same game would be on Mega Drive and SNES. In some cases, it actually made it worth owning copies for both systems if you had them.
Re: Talking Point: Do You Actively Avoid Xbox Games With Massive Download Sizes?
No. I still have 2.1tb free between my internal SSD, 1tb expansion card and 16tb HDD. I'm very fussy about having all of my games installed.
Re: It's Been 12 Months Since Xbox Faced A Major Activision Blizzard Crisis
@ShadowofTwilight Microsoft buying a giant publisher shouldn't concern you and they haven't had free reign. They've also been making games well before PlayStation and Xbox even existed so they have credibility in the games industry.
You should however be concerned about companies like Tencent, Amazon, Meta and the Saudi PIF buying things.
Re: It's Been 12 Months Since Xbox Faced A Major Activision Blizzard Crisis
The CMA objection was laughable and ill informed, showing they know nothing about the games industry.
I'm glad it's over.
Re: It's Been 12 Months Since Xbox Faced A Major Activision Blizzard Crisis
@ShadowofTwilight You can't still be angry surely?
Re: NetEase Enters Into Agreement With Microsoft To 'Explore' Bringing New Titles To Xbox
Lots of money incoming.
Re: Random: Gears Of War Creator Reminds Fans He Can't Revive Games He Doesn't Have Rights To
I don't think that any of this happened Cliff.
Re: Xbox Doubles Down On Highly Ambitious Plans For Next-Gen Hardware
If we're just talking about higher resolution, faster SSD and more teraflops then I doubt many people will be blown away.
I think it would be much more interesting for Microsoft to utilise its massive AI knowledge to do the heavy lifting for developers. It could massively reduce the time and cost it takes to produce a AAA game. Or give indie devs the opportunity of a level playing field in creating large scale projects.
It could even be used to optimise games on the fly or create an infinite number of story branches.
A more far fetched use could be using AI to replicate previous Xbox generations so that all games become backwards compatible.
Re: Talking Point: Has Ray Tracing Been A 'Complete Waste Of Time' For Xbox Series X|S?
Everybody Loves Ray(mond) Tracing.
Re: Talking Point: Would You Be Interested In Microsoft's White Xbox Series X Revision?
@OldGamer999 That's quite a niche Venn diagram right there. 😂
Re: Talking Point: Would You Be Interested In Microsoft's White Xbox Series X Revision?
I don't really see who this aimed at.
Re: Phil Spencer Would Like To See Other Digital Storefronts Appear On Xbox
I'm really glad that I've supported Xbox since the beginning in 2001. Thanks Microsoft!
Re: Major Game Maker Reportedly Questioning Xbox Support Amidst 'Falling Sales'
@Weapon_Wheel I literally cannot remember the last time I saw an Xbox advert in the UK. I remember seeing Xbox, Xbox 360 and Xbox One adverts all the time.
Now it seems like Microsoft has either given up or just assumes Xbox will sell on its own with no marketing the way that Windows and Office does.
Re: Talking Point: Which Backwards Compatible Xbox Games Still Hold Up In 2024?
Shadow of The Damned
Killer Is Dead
Rayman Origins
Blur
Black
Enslaved
Metal Gear Rising
DOA Ultimate
DOA 3
DOA Xtreme Beach Volleyball
DOA 4
Castlevania LoS
Mortal Kombat 9
MK Vs DC Universe
The Orange Box
Portal 2
Blazing Skies
Mirror's Edge
Psychonaughts
Banjo and Kazooie Nuts & Bolts
Jade Empire
Star Wars KOTOR
Perfect Dark Zero
Blue Dragon
Gears of War
Halo Wars
I'm going to be annoyed with myself because I'm sure there are loads more I'll remember as soon as I've posted this.
Re: Talking Point: Xbox Series X|S Owners, How's Your Storage Looking In 2024?
I have over 800 games installed for my Series X stored between internal memory, 1TB card and 16TB HDD.
I use my Series S as a Game Pass machine so I only normally have about 20 games installed at any one time.
Re: Tomb Raider 1-3 Remastered Update Now Live, Here Are The Full Patch Notes
@Banjo- 100%. I have all the modern Tomb Raider games and the BC ones on Xbox and I'd love to have the entire series on one system.
Re: Microsoft 'Feared' The End Of Console Gaming As Early As Xbox 360, Says Peter Moore
It's absolutely inevitable that dedicated boxes aren't going to be needed in the future. Every publisher will have their own app subscription that you can sign up to and play their games.
What will be a deal breaker for me is if the only option is to stream. I want to be able to buy and keep the games I want to own.
Re: 'Balatro' Is Out Today On Xbox, And It's Already A Game Of The Year Contender
I have never heard of this or fully understand what the game is but those kind of reviews have definitely put it on my radar.
Re: Alan Wake 2 Is Remedy's Fastest-Selling Game, Now An 'Established Franchise'
It's amazing considering the original came out 14 years ago and was exclusive to Xbox 360. They've done a great job in reviving interest in the IP with the remaster and sequel.
Re: Reaction: Xbox's Commitment To Console Gaming Is Pleasing, But Big Questions Linger
@eire-shabba I've said this many times before and completely agree. The future is either a hard drive connected to the internet or a streaming device. Xbox will be an app. PlayStation will be an app. Pay the annual fees and you can play those games.
Re: Ubisoft CEO Questioned About Xbox Potentially 'Going Multi-Platform'
@AlwaysPlaying But Disney/Lucas Arts DID say they were happy for the games to be single platform. They said it made sense.
Re: Talking Point: What Do You Expect To See From Microsoft's Update On The Future Of Xbox?
@Banjo- But if all exclusives are available on other platforms then there's even less reason to buy Xbox hardware. Less Xbox hardware sold means that it's less likely for third parties to release their games for Xbox (including Game Pass). Fewer games available on Xbox hardware means even fewer machines sold and even fewer Game Pass subscriptions. Etc. etc.
Re: Talking Point: What Do You Expect To See From Microsoft's Update On The Future Of Xbox?
Whatever happens it has been handled really poorly. All these rumours have done is damage the Xbox brand in the mind of gamers. People are asking why they've supported the platform if it's all going to be taken away.
I've had time to think about what 'could' happen.
They announce they're going full third party, are dropping Xbox hardware and PS5/Switch will get Game Pass/full price games available depending on the system capabilities. Or they don't drop hardware and release new digital only hardware (handheld included).
They announce that select first party games will be available for PS5/Switch at full price the same day as they're available on Xbox and PC Game Pass. And the current hardware continues as before.
They announce that all Xbox Studio games will be available to play via Game Pass on PS5/Switch with no option to buy the games outright. And the current hardware continues as before. Or doesn't.
They announce that first party games will be available on PS5/Switch and that they're licensing the Xbox hardware to other manufacturers such as Samsung, LG etc. They'll have their own hardware but new hardware is built as a set top box or into TVs.
They announce that the Xbox store will be open to all platforms and people can buy games digitally for PS5/Switch. They'll keep the hardware as before.
It's DEFINITELY either one of the above or some of the above or none of the above.
I'm looking forward to finding out but as an Xbox gamer from the beginning, I can't see how releasing games on other platforms is the right thing to do to reward loyal fans. However, I completely understand that Xbox is just one division of Microsoft and releasing games on every available system makes perfect business sense and will massively increase profits.
I have all 3 systems and have no special allegiance to Xbox, PlayStation or Nintendo's various systems, aside from the memories I have from playing great games on each.
Re: Baldur's Gate 3 Dev Gives His 'Optimistic' Thoughts On Xbox-To-PS5 Rumours
I can only see a negative for Xbox if this is true. If these games are available to buy on PS5 then what incentive is there for anyone to buy an Xbox/Game Pass? In fact, I can see people ditching their Xbox to buy a PlayStation because they'll have the best of both worlds in one system. That in turn gives 3rd party devs less incentive to make games at all for Xbox and even less point in owning one as time goes on.
It's literally a fat tracksuit to becoming a 3rd party publisher.
As much as I love my Switch, it doesn't go after the same customers as PS5/Xbox. Without Xbox as a competitor, Sony can do less, innovate less and charge more. No gamer should be wishing for a one system games industry.
Re: Rumours Resurface About Xbox Shadow Drop 'Hi-Fi RUSH' Releasing On More Platforms
Xbox didn't treat this game the way it deserved to be treated. It's an amazing game that should have received way more love. Hopefully it will get the bigger audience needed for a sequel to be made.
Re: Tomb Raider 1-3 Remastered Is Out This Month, And We're Excited For A Nostalgia Trip On Xbox
I kind of wish they'd included The Last Revelation, Chronicles and Angel of Darkness too. I know they're not particularly great but for completion sake it would have been nice.
Re: Xbox Games Are Reportedly No Longer Being Stocked At Some European Retailers
@CharlieChooChoo The lending I can see them having a problem with because, as you mentioned, they would lose money. The trade in thing would technically make them lose money but I think would be a massive win for them PR wise. If you could trade your digital games on Xbox and no other platform holder allowed it, it would be a massive PR win.
Unfortunately, I think the Steam model is the way everything will go. Buy a game. Never own it. F**k off if you don't like it or have completed it because we already have your money.
Re: Xbox Games Are Reportedly No Longer Being Stocked At Some European Retailers
I've been saying for years that each platform holder should create a digital trade in store. Imagine being able to trade in digital purchases once you've finished a game and get credit towards your next purchase.
Re: Xbox Predicts 'Hardware Decline' Despite Huge Revenue Boost From ActiBlizz
I can't remember the last time I saw and advert anywhere for Xbox.
Re: Gaming Becomes Microsoft's 'Third Largest Business' In Latest Quarter
@CharlieChooChoo Activision and Blizzard both have a very long history of making games for Microsoft Windows. Far longer than they ever had making games for PlayStation.
Re: Talking Point: Would You Buy A 'Revised' Xbox Series X|S Controller In 2024?
@Kaloudz It really was. I managed to get a boxed, brand new one from Japan last year for my Dreamcast. It's just incredible.
Re: Talking Point: Would You Buy A 'Revised' Xbox Series X|S Controller In 2024?
I would welcome gyro in a new Xbox controller. Everything else is fine for me.
Re: Talking Point: Would You Buy A 'Revised' Xbox Series X|S Controller In 2024?
I have a PS5 and the DualSense is overrated in my opinion. I find the resistive triggers annoying and crunchy and the haptics a bit of a novelty that doesn't really get used very well. Plus the sharp edges on the prongs just aren't very comfortable for long play sessions. And of course, the left stick is positioned incorrectly. 😂
Re: Talking Point: Would You Buy A 'Revised' Xbox Series X|S Controller In 2024?
@Kaloudz I'm glad to see the Dreamcast controller mentioned. That was the pinnacle of comfort for me too. I'd put the Switch pro controller as 2nd though, very closely followed by the current Xbox controller.
Re: Microsoft Cuts 1,900 Jobs Across Xbox, Bethesda And Activision Blizzard Teams
@Kaloudz No worries at all. I probably wasn't clear. It's just another sad day for the industry as a whole.
Re: Microsoft Cuts 1,900 Jobs Across Xbox, Bethesda And Activision Blizzard Teams
@Kaloudz I absolutely agree. I've worked in HR/recruitment for over 15 years at some major global brands and I've had to deliver these kind of layoffs to employees.
It's never easy but, at well run businesses, a natural occurrence. The timing won't help the perception of what Microsoft is doing is the point I was trying to make.
Re: Microsoft Cuts 1,900 Jobs Across Xbox, Bethesda And Activision Blizzard Teams
It really doesn't make good reading when in the same week Microsoft was valued at $3trillion.
Re: Rumour: Major Xbox Series X|S Controller Revision Still To Be Revealed This Year
@JayJ The only times I've found gyro controls to be a massive improvement have been with the Splatoon games on Wii U and Switch. Nintendo really nailed it in those games to the point where I'd struggle to play without them.
Re: Rumour: Major Xbox Series X|S Controller Revision Still To Be Revealed This Year
@homme_parametre To be fair, all modern controllers have drift and it's ridiculous considering the Hall Effect tech has been around for so long.
The Sega Saturn and Dreamcast used it.
Re: Starfield Discs Could Be Removed From Sale At US Retail Giant Soon
@rustyduck The day that mainstream gaming becomes streaming only is the day that I check out. I'll happily play my giant backlog of retro games that require no internet/downloads.
Re: Two Of Last Year's Best Xbox Games Are Getting Collector's Editions In 2024
Hi-Fi Rush 100%
Re: 'Quake 6' Was Teased At Xbox Developer Direct, And We Didn't Even Spot It
Give us Quake 4 as BC or remaster it please.
Re: Reaction: Xbox Developer Direct 2024 Proved That Microsoft's New Format Really Works
I actually really liked the show. It was a good mix of gameplay and dev insight. And there's so much more to come from Xbox Studios that I think they'll absolutely own this year. But that's just my opinion.