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The 360 came out in 2005!

If we end up with more dropped features then a good workaround would be to allow S owners to stream X titles, even if they’ve just purchased it rather than subbing to anything.

@StonyKL Were the specs of both consoles not designed to run the same game at 1080p and 4K respectively? It makes sense to design for 1080p and then move upwards.

There is only one game on the list that anyone gives a fig about and all it needs is a wodge of cash and some assets from Sega.

If the box isn’t delivering the goods then that’s on the devs to make sure that happens. If they built for S and then upgraded the assets for X rather than going in the opposite direction they would have no issues.

If a game like Forbidden West can run without issue on the PS4 and Nintendo can continue to squeeze magic from the ancient architecture of the Switch then it’s all possible.

With Baldur’s gate 3 why not make the multiplayer like Diablo where the players cannot venture that far from each other. The. You only have to render the one environment.

Sunday Night Perfect Dark recreating with my friends how we all did so badly at college.

I use it at least on a weekly basis for my Fortnite games. If there is a game on Gamepass I want to play I will hunt down a cheap month code from an online retailer and just hook my iPad Pro up to the TV saving me the cost of a console.

What I’d really like is the ability to stream my Xbox purchases assuming a paid sub was required for access.

It’s weird how they say it’s not being used because there is always a 10 minute queue to get online.

If the problem is split screen then make it so players have to stay on the same screen together and cannot just wander off.

One environmental render, no problem.

@ZYDIO there have been ads /since/ the 360 days. It’s nothing new and they’ve always been unobtrusive.

@ZYDIO That’s a bit of an overreaction to a Home Screen, the hallway of your console.

I find it amusing that the final dashboard for the 360 was nigh on perfect and Microsoft have spent the last decade trying to build something as good and functional but keep coming up short.

Is this the same as dev account unlocking your Xbox for emulators?

Wow, they really missed the boat in finally giving next gen owners something unique for their console.

I remember my friend having the translucent green model and thinking Halo was the business. I then looked into getting one myself but quickly realised it was just a PS2 minus the interesting Japanese titles and a controller that made games like SSX Tricky twice as hard because it only had 2 shoulder buttons.

I did later buy a 360 and it remains my favourite console of all time.

@shoeses Due to a workaround on the backend with Backwards Compatibility you can still play all the free 360 and Xbox games they gave you without needing a sub at all.

Given how terrible GWG has been for the last few years it was time for Microsoft to take the dog out and shoot it.

I would have however liked to have seen streaming added across every tier for the games available. Microsoft claimed during the Activision case that hardly anyone uses it so maybe it’s time to widen its appeal?

A service like this shouldn’t have any lag at all.

Why stream a title that’s a few KB in size when you could hold it entirely in the RAM of the host console and just feed save data back to the server?

Oh now I get why they bought Activision.

@Markatron84 The dialog added to the motoring festival feeling in 1 & 2. Since then the game has felt a lot more ‘videogamey’ and ruined the illusion. The seasons completely ruined the idea as it meant that after a year of weekly season rotations apparently the Horizon Festival has been running for 12 years!

It’s a typo. It already includes online play!

Whilst I’m sure others are excited there is probably one game on that list I’d be bothered about playing again.

An always online title is tailor made for game pass. Customers aren’t saddled with dead weight should the servers go down but the continued sub means continued engagement,

Not the Xbox but I did skive off work when Metroid Prime and Wind Waker both came out.

For me the fun of GTA is putting a few cheats on (REMEMBER THOSE, DEVS?) and then just causing chaos. Thus I get about 2-3 days fun out of them before I get bored.

GTAV has been around so long that I got my jolly’s out of it by renting it from Blockbuster on the Xbox 360 just after launch and haven’t played it since!

I wouldn’t be surprised if they just canned Skull and Bones and just morphed it into this instead.

Greatest FPS ever made.

Most comprehensive local multiplayer ever put together.

Prove me wrong.

Nadella seemingly ignoring the last 30 years of the games industry then. Sega and Nintendo drew their battle lines on exclusivity or even exclusive features. Who can remember the Mortal Kombat blood fiasco or Aladdin?

Microsoft are just sore because they either closed their studios or canned their licensed exclusives and are now paying the price.

This reads as someone who has never heard of Nintendo and still remains sore Xbox canned all their exclusives on the One.

Until they patch in offline play it’s a no.

Copy the original games multiplayer code-for-code but add a new campaign. I know that’s not a small amount of work but that has to be the general direction for it.

Of course top brass probably want an ongoing multiplayer/season progression in place to keep the subs rolling in rather than something that it just raw fun.

Microsoft wouldn’t let Square release FFXIV on Xbox.

20% of XV sales were on Xbox.

Sony’s FF exclusivity stems from not burning bridges.

Yea, but only by exploiting cheap one off codes on CDKeys. I only use it for streaming on my iPad so I’m overpaying as it is. If they offered a streaming only sub I’d jump on that.

Which is why their Activision play is less Call of Duty and more Candy Crush. Microsoft sees the amount of money spent on mobile gaming: Genshin Impact made more profit than Sonys entire games division last year alone.

@Zoidpilot4 The Dreamcast was home to a burst of supernova creativity the likes of which haven’t been seen since from anyone.

Microsoft only have themselves to blame. They shut down all their 1st party studios knowing full well people buy consoles to play first party exclusives. The likes of Halo, Fable and PGR were reasons why I and many others picked an Xbox 360 over a PS3.

Sony doubled down on exclusives on the PS4 whilst Microsoft burned all theirs and they lost a lot of ground. It was only initiatives like backwards compatibility and Gamepass that got them through.

Are Microsoft a third behind Sony and Nintendo? Yes, but buying Activision won’t help things.

I honestly don't have high hopes for Starfield. It will be massive in scope and janky as heck at launch because, well Bethesda.

I foresee Forza being the star of the show. We already know it's visually above Gran Turismo 7; we just need to know what gameplay structure is like.

I'd love to see a Fable 2024 release. I just hope it's got an offline solo campaign and open world to play through. I don't mind playing online but sometimes I want that place to myself.

Even more galling knowing Nintendo delayed the release of Zelda for a year to polish it to perfection.

I agree the love service angle needs to stop. It didn't work for Halo and I find it nauseous in Forza Horizon.

So long as Microsoft keep delivering good games people will keep their game pass sub. They don't want to pay just to play the same 3 games over and over.

Stuff due out years down the line is exciting but of no use now. Hi-Fi Rush has been the best suprise of the year because it came out this year.

With that in mind I'd like to see Microsoft rebuild their backwards compatibility program to plug short term holes in the release schedule. There are still loads of older Xbox/360 titles that don't work on the Series S|X that could be added quickly.

Games like JSRF, PGR, Sega GT, Fall of Cybertron, FEAR etc are all welcome.

@S1ayeR74 Ironic given Windows Phone 7 had the best implementation of a gaming brand into the mobile space ever seen in the market.

@Stoned_Patrol Unfortunately this is why they're playing second fiddle to Sony. Don't get me wrong: I love the platform and the 360 is probably my favourite ever home console but as a father looking for a new console his whole family will play the Xbox doesn't sell itself very well.

The XIV situation is annoying. I recall its something to do with Sony letting them process sub fees outside the PlayStation Store. It also doesn't require a PS+ sub. Microsoft won't let them class it as F2P and Square don't want it to require XBL.

All so a few gamers can save £50 a year not buying Call of Duty. From the comments this is all anyone seems to care about.

I doubt Microsoft are looking to revive Zork or Pitfall any time soon. They really should have brought Sega for 5% of the price instead.

@Moonglow There is an intern at Sony paid just to sit with his finger over a giant 'Buy Square Enix' button in case this deal goes through. His arm is getting tired.

To put this another way: the price of Call of Duty becoming 1st party is Final Fantasy (or any of their other JRPGs) never coming to Xbox ever again. The flip side is I could see them continuing to release games on Nintendo platforms because that's where they sell the most.

The money theyre spending would be enough to pay the entirety of Lionhead and Bizarre Creations to reform and build Fable IV and PGR6 from scratch. It's then an additional £5bn to buy Sega and build Outrun 3, Skies of Arcadia 2 and JSR3 and make them all Xbox exclusives forever. And then sofa change to buy Deep Silver and get the actual creators of Goldeneye making Perfect Dark 3. Announce all this and the internet would melt.

But instead it's £60bn on Crash Bandicoot, a company that has massively misread the room on Diablo 4 and the literal definition of generic FPS.

I hope it doesn't go through so they can spend the money on something good.

This needs to be made Series-exclusive so upgraders finally feel a difference at the base level.

Honestly I just wish they would bring back the Xbox 360 Dashboard with the baked in store.

Why don't Microsoft just sign their own 10 year deal with Activision to bring it's titles to Gamepass? 😅

"Company mucrosoft gave lots of money to and favourable terms agrees with its stance"

Microsoft only have themselves to blame for this whole situation. When Sony were investing in their 1st party studios Microsoft went around closing them.

Now they think they can do a classic Microsoft and just buy their way out of the problem before ditching hardware after 2 generations.

I don't really get the opposition from Xbox gamers. These games are still coming out on Xbox regardless of the decision. Or is it a complaint that they will have to buy them at full price (shock!) instead of getting them 'for free' with Gamepass?

@NEStalgia The 2 biggest games of this year will be Final Fantasy XVI and Zelda. Starfield looks great but its on Gamepass so won't actually 'sell' any copies.

@DNortonX I'd argue the opposite. It looks like Xbox is cementing its library of western RPGs and shooters.

The reason half of these games don't come out on the Xbox is because of the perceived notion that there is no market for them. It goes back generations: Microsoft made a good push for Japanese exclusives on the 360 with games like Blue Dragon and Tales of Vesperia and they fell flat.

Even a game like Hi-Fi Rush seems to have failed to break even (although I don't see how a Gamepass title can when its 'free with the sub') Look at the E3 Conference from last year: shooters, zombie titles and horror games. Nothing aimed at families and precious few JRPGs.

Now it might be that if more games did come out they would sell and that would then continue a positive cycle but it remains that they don't and there isn't.

Microsoft could turn this around: The Series S is a lovely little box. Get some devs on some 6-month ports of older titles like Motorcross Mayhem or Doritos Crash Course and bundle them with the console and 2 controllers for the same $249 price and see if it makes a dent.