I have never seen a game nail it's aesthetic and theme like this first try. It set the bar so high that none of the sequels have come close to matching it's festival atmosphere, appearing more as maps for MMO racing instead.
A decade later the map is still fun to drive and has those trademark 360 sunsets that come very close to matching the haze of Fable 2. And the soundtrack is an exquisite mix, with repeated plays on Radio X in the UK and my car stereo.
Second would be Fable 2, a game that truly allows roleplaying without the game.mechanics getting in the way of every NPC conversation taking 10 minutes. (See: Bioware)
I am enjoying Starfield a lot more than I did Skyrim.
I just wish simple game mechanics (like say having a full crew complement) are locked away behind a ridiculous amount of grinding at attributes you might not even want.
I went to a lecture by the director of Fable 3 and Fable: The Journey and he showed off some internal videos of Milo that had to be seen to be believed. It wasn't that the tech didn't work, it was that they had no idea how to turn it into a playable game. So it was that Milo was canned and The Journey was born.
At the end of the day exclusives push sales and Xbox just hasn't had enough. I have a Series S because the PS5 is too big to go under my TV and I value access to my back catalogue, not because it has the best games.
Forza Horizon 2 is one of the greatest racing titles of all time with considerable post-game depth if you want to do all hundred+ tours. How that missed out on GOTY over tripe like Dragon Age I will never know.
There is a strong case that the Xbox 360 is the greatest console of all time. It might have piggybacked a few ideas but it not only ushered in the proper modern era of online gaming but it also had the best selection of system exclusives of any Xbox console.
What started with PGR3 was finished with Forza Horizon. Let me.put this another way: if the Series X wasn't backwardly compatible with all my old 360 purchases I would have sold up to PlayStation years ago.
I'll throw another one out there: Perfect Dark, the best local multiplayer FPS ever made is also on Game Pass. 23 years old and still no game has come close to rivalling it's depth of options.
Forza Horizon 1. Easily my favourite of the series, this is confounded more by the fact that I can never start again or I will lose all my custom car paint jobs. Microsoft turned the servers off and so my copy of them is the only one that will ever be there.
I think it's one of the finest roleplaying games I have ever played.
It's not an RPG, mind. That is a great story to play through, characters to level and fall in love with along the way.
But a ROLE playing game? Where does one begin at how wonderfully open ended the game is in playing as whoever you want to be and taking the side missions as they come. That's Starfield.
@AlwaysPlaying I'm not sure. I'm sure this guy is a really talented guy and allbut for me what made Fable was it's refusal to bow to the conventions of regular western RPGs by concentrating less on tedious stat management and more on building a memorable world full of humour and grace. Now from the trailer it looked like this was the direction Playground are definitely going
There is a reason I still play Fable 2 every year; I think it's the greatest western RPG ever made.
If we end up with more dropped features then a good workaround would be to allow S owners to stream X titles, even if they’ve just purchased it rather than subbing to anything.
@StonyKL Were the specs of both consoles not designed to run the same game at 1080p and 4K respectively? It makes sense to design for 1080p and then move upwards.
If the box isn’t delivering the goods then that’s on the devs to make sure that happens. If they built for S and then upgraded the assets for X rather than going in the opposite direction they would have no issues.
If a game like Forbidden West can run without issue on the PS4 and Nintendo can continue to squeeze magic from the ancient architecture of the Switch then it’s all possible.
With Baldur’s gate 3 why not make the multiplayer like Diablo where the players cannot venture that far from each other. The. You only have to render the one environment.
I use it at least on a weekly basis for my Fortnite games. If there is a game on Gamepass I want to play I will hunt down a cheap month code from an online retailer and just hook my iPad Pro up to the TV saving me the cost of a console.
What I’d really like is the ability to stream my Xbox purchases assuming a paid sub was required for access.
It’s weird how they say it’s not being used because there is always a 10 minute queue to get online.
I find it amusing that the final dashboard for the 360 was nigh on perfect and Microsoft have spent the last decade trying to build something as good and functional but keep coming up short.
I remember my friend having the translucent green model and thinking Halo was the business. I then looked into getting one myself but quickly realised it was just a PS2 minus the interesting Japanese titles and a controller that made games like SSX Tricky twice as hard because it only had 2 shoulder buttons.
I did later buy a 360 and it remains my favourite console of all time.
@shoeses Due to a workaround on the backend with Backwards Compatibility you can still play all the free 360 and Xbox games they gave you without needing a sub at all.
Given how terrible GWG has been for the last few years it was time for Microsoft to take the dog out and shoot it.
I would have however liked to have seen streaming added across every tier for the games available. Microsoft claimed during the Activision case that hardly anyone uses it so maybe it’s time to widen its appeal?
@Markatron84 The dialog added to the motoring festival feeling in 1 & 2. Since then the game has felt a lot more ‘videogamey’ and ruined the illusion. The seasons completely ruined the idea as it meant that after a year of weekly season rotations apparently the Horizon Festival has been running for 12 years!
An always online title is tailor made for game pass. Customers aren’t saddled with dead weight should the servers go down but the continued sub means continued engagement,
For me the fun of GTA is putting a few cheats on (REMEMBER THOSE, DEVS?) and then just causing chaos. Thus I get about 2-3 days fun out of them before I get bored.
GTAV has been around so long that I got my jolly’s out of it by renting it from Blockbuster on the Xbox 360 just after launch and haven’t played it since!
Nadella seemingly ignoring the last 30 years of the games industry then. Sega and Nintendo drew their battle lines on exclusivity or even exclusive features. Who can remember the Mortal Kombat blood fiasco or Aladdin?
Microsoft are just sore because they either closed their studios or canned their licensed exclusives and are now paying the price.
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Re: Talking Point: What Was The Greatest Xbox 360 Game Of All Time?
Forza Horizon.
I have never seen a game nail it's aesthetic and theme like this first try. It set the bar so high that none of the sequels have come close to matching it's festival atmosphere, appearing more as maps for MMO racing instead.
A decade later the map is still fun to drive and has those trademark 360 sunsets that come very close to matching the haze of Fable 2. And the soundtrack is an exquisite mix, with repeated plays on Radio X in the UK and my car stereo.
Second would be Fable 2, a game that truly allows roleplaying without the game.mechanics getting in the way of every NPC conversation taking 10 minutes. (See: Bioware)
Re: Starfield Dev Calls Out 'Unreasonable' Criticism From Some People On Social Media
I am enjoying Starfield a lot more than I did Skyrim.
I just wish simple game mechanics (like say having a full crew complement) are locked away behind a ridiculous amount of grinding at attributes you might not even want.
Re: It's That Time Again! Your Xbox 'Year In Review' 2023 Is Now Available
Wait, people actually use the newer uglier Avatars?!?
Re: EA Adds 'Immortals Of Aveum' To The List Of 90% Discounts On Xbox
Now then, maybe Jedi Survivor might make it too?
Re: Xbox Studio Arkane Is Officially Making A Marvel's Blade Game
I've nothing against whoever is playing the character here but it would have been nice to get Wesley Snipes back to do the voice acting.
Re: Xbox Exec Sends Fans Into A Frenzy With Random Social Media Post
4 words:
Jet
Set
Radio
Future
Re: Talking Point: Remember When 'Project Milo' Was The Next Big Thing For Xbox?
I went to a lecture by the director of Fable 3 and Fable: The Journey and he showed off some internal videos of Milo that had to be seen to be believed. It wasn't that the tech didn't work, it was that they had no idea how to turn it into a playable game. So it was that Milo was canned and The Journey was born.
Re: Reaction: Should We Really Be Surprised By 'Declining' Xbox Console Sales?
At the end of the day exclusives push sales and Xbox just hasn't had enough. I have a Series S because the PS5 is too big to go under my TV and I value access to my back catalogue, not because it has the best games.
Re: 'Microsoft MakeCode Arcade' Now Allows You To Create Your Own Retro Xbox Games
Microsoft have history here. I have some great memories teaching Kodu game lab to High School kids.
Re: Reaction: Looking Back, Xbox Has Had Some Strange GOTY Omissions Over The Years
Forza Horizon 2 is one of the greatest racing titles of all time with considerable post-game depth if you want to do all hundred+ tours. How that missed out on GOTY over tripe like Dragon Age I will never know.
Re: Starfield Fails To Make Shortlist For 'Game Of The Year' At The Game Awards 2023
I can understand Starfield because they released it half-finished but no love for Hi-Fi Rush?
Re: Poll: Which Has Been The Best Generation Of Xbox So Far?
There is a strong case that the Xbox 360 is the greatest console of all time. It might have piggybacked a few ideas but it not only ushered in the proper modern era of online gaming but it also had the best selection of system exclusives of any Xbox console.
What started with PGR3 was finished with Forza Horizon. Let me.put this another way: if the Series X wasn't backwardly compatible with all my old 360 purchases I would have sold up to PlayStation years ago.
Re: Reaction: Forza Motorsport Should Be Feeling The Pressure After New Gran Turismo 7 Update
All I really want is some music!
Re: Soapbox: 10-Year Old FPS Remains One Of The Best On Xbox Game Pass
I'll throw another one out there: Perfect Dark, the best local multiplayer FPS ever made is also on Game Pass. 23 years old and still no game has come close to rivalling it's depth of options.
Re: Talking Point: Which Xbox Game Would You Love To Play Again For The First Time?
Forza Horizon 1. Easily my favourite of the series, this is confounded more by the fact that I can never start again or I will lose all my custom car paint jobs. Microsoft turned the servers off and so my copy of them is the only one that will ever be there.
Re: After Just One Week, Paradox Is Already Admitting Defeat With The Lamplighters League
It's like modern developers don't study game design theory at all. Surely game design 101 is just the Miyamoto quote about delayed games?
Re: These 15+ Games Are Coming To Xbox Next Week (October 9-13)
Axis Football sounds far too much like a WW2-era FIFA game between the enemy powers.... Unfortunate choice of name!
Re: Video: Forza Motorsport Comparison Shows Difference Between Xbox Versions
Once Again showing that Larian were the problem, not the Series S.
Re: Talking Point: One Month On From Launch, How Are You Feeling About Starfield?
I think it's one of the finest roleplaying games I have ever played.
It's not an RPG, mind. That is a great story to play through, characters to level and fall in love with along the way.
But a ROLE playing game? Where does one begin at how wonderfully open ended the game is in playing as whoever you want to be and taking the side missions as they come. That's Starfield.
Re: Microsoft Unveils New 'Heritage Collection' Of Xbox 360 Merch
If they did a scale model with a lamp in the light that switches between green and red I'm there.
Re: Baldur's Gate 3 Producer Joins Fable Team At Xbox's Playground Games
@AlwaysPlaying I'm not sure. I'm sure this guy is a really talented guy and allbut for me what made Fable was it's refusal to bow to the conventions of regular western RPGs by concentrating less on tedious stat management and more on building a memorable world full of humour and grace. Now from the trailer it looked like this was the direction Playground are definitely going
There is a reason I still play Fable 2 every year; I think it's the greatest western RPG ever made.
Re: Phil Spencer Pledged To Get 'Real Honest' About Xbox's Future After 'Disaster Situation' In 2022
I’d argue this year has made up for it. Starfield is immense. Forza looks a lot better than GT7 and personally I’d put HiFi Rush as my GOTY.
Re: Hands On: Assassin's Creed Mirage Is An Enjoyable Return To The Series' Roots
It’s exactly what a I want: stealth skills that scale with player skill instead of level gating, a bustling metropolis to protect and classic parkour.
The best AC map is still Unity. It looks gorgeous on modern consoles.
Re: Create An Entire Replica Xbox 360 Console With This New MEGA Building Set
The 360 came out in 2005!
Re: Microsoft Has No Plans To Drop Support For Xbox Series S
If we end up with more dropped features then a good workaround would be to allow S owners to stream X titles, even if they’ve just purchased it rather than subbing to anything.
Re: Microsoft Has No Plans To Drop Support For Xbox Series S
@StonyKL Were the specs of both consoles not designed to run the same game at 1080p and 4K respectively? It makes sense to design for 1080p and then move upwards.
Re: Phil Spencer 'Would Love To Find Solutions' For Xbox 360 Games Being Delisted In 2024
There is only one game on the list that anyone gives a fig about and all it needs is a wodge of cash and some assets from Sega.
Re: Microsoft Has No Plans To Drop Support For Xbox Series S
If the box isn’t delivering the goods then that’s on the devs to make sure that happens. If they built for S and then upgraded the assets for X rather than going in the opposite direction they would have no issues.
If a game like Forbidden West can run without issue on the PS4 and Nintendo can continue to squeeze magic from the ancient architecture of the Switch then it’s all possible.
With Baldur’s gate 3 why not make the multiplayer like Diablo where the players cannot venture that far from each other. The. You only have to render the one environment.
Re: Talking Point: What's Your Favourite Xbox Live Memory?
Sunday Night Perfect Dark recreating with my friends how we all did so badly at college.
Re: Talking Point: What Would Convince You To Use Xbox Cloud Gaming More Often?
I use it at least on a weekly basis for my Fortnite games. If there is a game on Gamepass I want to play I will hunt down a cheap month code from an online retailer and just hook my iPad Pro up to the TV saving me the cost of a console.
What I’d really like is the ability to stream my Xbox purchases assuming a paid sub was required for access.
It’s weird how they say it’s not being used because there is always a 10 minute queue to get online.
Re: Baldur's Gate 3 Xbox Version Seemingly Pushed To 2024 Due To Series S 'Technical Hurdle'
If the problem is split screen then make it so players have to stay on the same screen together and cannot just wander off.
One environmental render, no problem.
Re: Soapbox: The New Xbox Dashboard Looks Clean, But It Still Needs Work
@ZYDIO there have been ads /since/ the 360 days. It’s nothing new and they’ve always been unobtrusive.
Re: Soapbox: The New Xbox Dashboard Looks Clean, But It Still Needs Work
@ZYDIO That’s a bit of an overreaction to a Home Screen, the hallway of your console.
Re: Soapbox: The New Xbox Dashboard Looks Clean, But It Still Needs Work
I find it amusing that the final dashboard for the 360 was nigh on perfect and Microsoft have spent the last decade trying to build something as good and functional but keep coming up short.
Re: Xbox Begins Handing Out 15-Day Bans For Using Retail Mode Emulators
Is this the same as dev account unlocking your Xbox for emulators?
Re: It's Finally Here! The New Xbox Dashboard Has Arrived
Wow, they really missed the boat in finally giving next gen owners something unique for their console.
Re: Talking Point: What Are Your Earliest Xbox Memories?
I remember my friend having the translucent green model and thinking Halo was the business. I then looked into getting one myself but quickly realised it was just a PS2 minus the interesting Japanese titles and a controller that made games like SSX Tricky twice as hard because it only had 2 shoulder buttons.
I did later buy a 360 and it remains my favourite console of all time.
Re: Poll: Xbox Live Gold Members, Are You Excited For Game Pass Core?
@shoeses Due to a workaround on the backend with Backwards Compatibility you can still play all the free 360 and Xbox games they gave you without needing a sub at all.
Re: Poll: Xbox Live Gold Members, Are You Excited For Game Pass Core?
Given how terrible GWG has been for the last few years it was time for Microsoft to take the dog out and shoot it.
I would have however liked to have seen streaming added across every tier for the games available. Microsoft claimed during the Activision case that hardly anyone uses it so maybe it’s time to widen its appeal?
Re: Hands On With Antstream Arcade: Xbox's Massive New Retro Gaming Collection
A service like this shouldn’t have any lag at all.
Why stream a title that’s a few KB in size when you could hold it entirely in the RAM of the host console and just feed save data back to the server?
Re: 'Police Simulator' Is Still In The Xbox Charts, And A Major Update Has Just Gone Live
Oh now I get why they bought Activision.
Re: Forza Horizon 5 Is Hosting A Summer Party, Featuring New 'Icons Of Speed' Story
@Markatron84 The dialog added to the motoring festival feeling in 1 & 2. Since then the game has felt a lot more ‘videogamey’ and ruined the illusion. The seasons completely ruined the idea as it meant that after a year of weekly season rotations apparently the Horizon Festival has been running for 12 years!
Re: Xbox's New Game Pass Tiers Are Causing Confusion Around Online Multiplayer
It’s a typo. It already includes online play!
Re: These 50+ Activision Blizzard Games Could Be Heading To Xbox Game Pass
Whilst I’m sure others are excited there is probably one game on that list I’d be bothered about playing again.
Re: Blizzard Reiterates That Diablo 4 Isn't Coming To Xbox Game Pass For Now
An always online title is tailor made for game pass. Customers aren’t saddled with dead weight should the servers go down but the continued sub means continued engagement,
Re: Talking Point: Have You Ever Taken A 'Day Off' For Something Xbox Related?
Not the Xbox but I did skive off work when Metroid Prime and Wind Waker both came out.
Re: Poll: Are You Still Enjoying GTA 5 In 2023?
For me the fun of GTA is putting a few cheats on (REMEMBER THOSE, DEVS?) and then just causing chaos. Thus I get about 2-3 days fun out of them before I get bored.
GTAV has been around so long that I got my jolly’s out of it by renting it from Blockbuster on the Xbox 360 just after launch and haven’t played it since!
Re: Assassin's Creed 4: Black Flag Remake Supposedly In Development At Ubisoft
I wouldn’t be surprised if they just canned Skull and Bones and just morphed it into this instead.
Re: Pure Xbox Game Club July 2023: Perfect Dark
Greatest FPS ever made.
Most comprehensive local multiplayer ever put together.
Prove me wrong.
Re: Microsoft's CEO Isn't A Fan Of Console Exclusives, Blames Sony
Nadella seemingly ignoring the last 30 years of the games industry then. Sega and Nintendo drew their battle lines on exclusivity or even exclusive features. Who can remember the Mortal Kombat blood fiasco or Aladdin?
Microsoft are just sore because they either closed their studios or canned their licensed exclusives and are now paying the price.