@somnambulance Concord failed because it looked horrible, it was Dollar Store Overwatch with Temu Guardians of the Galaxy characters, and in a world where Overwatch 2 and Marvel Rivals exist for free it was doomed to fail. No one even wanted to play the FREE BETA of it. And I’m a Sony fanboy saying this about a Sony game.
Helldivers 2 is a purely PvE team-based game (not hero shooter like Concord) with an amusingly over-the-top concept that plays out well. Plus folks who bought it actually liked it and gave it good word-of-mouth.
There’s no “pass” to be given, it’s just a genuinely well done game.
“It was so good that we had to kill it. Otherwise it might have destroyed the entire industry. Everyone on the planet would have played and the global economy would be left in ruins as people starved in their chairs, unable to pull themselves away from this game.
Given that MS isn’t allowing cross-progression in Horizon 5, the likelihood of Sony having it happening in Helldivers 2 is near-zero. Especially with no PS5-PC progression.
looks at Steam player count Huh. 3302 all time player peak, and 47 playing right now on Steam.
I…don’t think this community of players will be growing all that much. Bold of the devs to spend even more money trying to fix it though, rather than accusing players of a concerned bug campaign aimed at destroying what’s left of their reputation.
@IOI It’s possible that while they were porting to PS5, they just figured out how to optimize it further. No need to assign malicious intent or purposeful delays when it can be attributed to discovering new ways to make it run better WHILE porting it to a different platform.
@Kaloudz I just don’t remember Sony or Nintendo doing mass layoffs in their gaming divisions lately, excepting the once-in-a-lifetime utter failure that was Concord, of course!
@Kaloudz The behavior isn’t unique to MS, definitely. The sheer number of layoffs does seem to be, though. I do say SEEMS as I admit I haven’t seen hard numbers, of course.
If you release a shoddy product and people call you on said shoddy product, and before releasing said shoddy product you make accusations that anyone saying it looks like a shoddy product is part of a coordinated negativity campaign…oh, and you don’t allow people to review the shoddy product before it reaches the general public…
Well, let’s just say I am shocked, SHOCKED at this turn of events. Shocked.
@themightyant The ONLY reason I got the series X originally was for the disc based backwards compatibility. Even if it’s in the form of “smart delivery” which I despise.
If the next XBox has no disc drive, then my belief that my series X is my first AND last XBox will sadly not change.
Gosh, the pretty designs will look so good while inserted into the rear of my console, thus making the design completely and utterly useless and irrelevant!
“Hey, sorry we accused everyone who had negative opinons of being part of a coordinated smear campaign. Turns out our game IS an unoptimized steaming pile. Our bad.”
@Kraven “Horrible” may have been a poorly chosen word. But none of this looks good at the moment. Especially when “Update 2” is the launch update and apparently it was submitted so late that it isn’t approved for launch day…
I didn’t hate what I saw of the game, but I honestly forgot it existed until I saw the articles about how no review codes were sent out and that’s almost always a bad sign…
I wonder if the dev also will blame a concerted misinformation/negativity compaign for the patch being late on XBox…
@Kraven Sometimes if a game looks like it’ll be horrible, it actually IS horrible, and when the dev cries about a conspiracy to destroy their game before release, it makes me wonder why they’re already in damage control mode…
Ben, I mean ZERO disrespect or insult when I ask this: Why were you picked to review this while having zero 40k knowledge? Was it intentional to see how someone with no knowledge would think, or just luck of the draw? I was just amused when you mentioned the whole story passing you by bit!
@Lup I’m guessing you watched Fleekazoid’s review? I’m pretty sure he said that in his!
Even I’m saying this was a good showcase. Clockwork Revolution and No Ghosts In… were very intriguing to me, and P4R had me shout YES as I was watching.
I’m content.Though that last COD reveal was just…utterly bleh.
@AccessibleDaydream Yeah, I actually will be getting that tomorrow as well! But that Onn brand card seems to be a freaking unicorn, no other brand is selling that capacity anywhere near that cheap. But I’ve had decent luck with Onn in the past.
I’m shocked that Walmart of all companies is putting a card like that out at that price. If it spontaneously catches fire, I’ll know why.
Well, MS’s physical releases on PS5 have been key disc games, so it’ll go well with the key card games that all but two third party Switch 2 physical launch titles got. (I bought Cyberpunk and Rune Factory Guardians of Azuma for my S2 since they were actual game releases, not those key jokes)
But MS releasing games like Forza Horizon 5, Indy and others for Switch 2 can only be a good thing.
@BAMozzy “Physical media doesn't need to contain the entire Game Code as it does not RUN from the disc - it has to be downloaded and installed onto the Internal storage regardless of whether you download from Disc or Internet.”
The point is that if the data is on the DISC, then you don’t have to pray that you can still download the game from servers in the future, it can just be copied from the disc and installed regardless.
That’s the point. There is a LARGE difference between the two things and they are not comparable. In one scenario you can happily install the game to the console regardless of internet status. In the other, you cannot.
@Balaam_ 100% agreed! My backlog is now large enough that I can safely skip releases like this and focus on games I actually own!
@XboxNumberOne looks at my game shelf with lots of physical games Sure looks like I own these complete single player games and access to them can’t be removed…
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Re: Poll: Helldivers 2 Isn't On Xbox Game Pass, So Will You Be Buying It?
@somnambulance Concord failed because it looked horrible, it was Dollar Store Overwatch with Temu Guardians of the Galaxy characters, and in a world where Overwatch 2 and Marvel Rivals exist for free it was doomed to fail. No one even wanted to play the FREE BETA of it. And I’m a Sony fanboy saying this about a Sony game.
Helldivers 2 is a purely PvE team-based game (not hero shooter like Concord) with an amusingly over-the-top concept that plays out well. Plus folks who bought it actually liked it and gave it good word-of-mouth.
There’s no “pass” to be given, it’s just a genuinely well done game.
Re: Poll: Helldivers 2 Isn't On Xbox Game Pass, So Will You Be Buying It?
“Yep, Helldivers 2 is a premium $40 product, and roughly 18 months after its initial launch, Xbox players will have to fork out that cost as well.”
Forza Horizon 5 on PS5 enters the chat
Re: Helldivers 2 Developer Shuts Down Xbox Game Pass Rumour
@NishimuraX Sadly, this says everything about the current XBox community that needs to be said.
Re: Report: Xbox Execs Were 'Blown Away' By Cancelled ZeniMax Game Earlier This Year
“It was so good that we had to kill it. Otherwise it might have destroyed the entire industry. Everyone on the planet would have played and the global economy would be left in ruins as people starved in their chairs, unable to pull themselves away from this game.
“We saved humanity. Give us a raise.”
Re: Helldivers 2 On Xbox: Crossplay Confirmed, But What About Cross-Progression?
Given that MS isn’t allowing cross-progression in Horizon 5, the likelihood of Sony having it happening in Helldivers 2 is near-zero. Especially with no PS5-PC progression.
Re: Helldivers 2 Xbox Petition Passes 130,000 Signatures, But Don't Get Your Hopes Up
@Questionable_Duck One of the few times I’m glad to be wrong!
Re: Microsoft Is Seemingly Cutting Back On Its Quality Assurance Efforts With Xbox
@Balaam_ Bold of you to assume Bethesda had any part in any QA sessions whatsoever in the course of their history!
It’s kind of a hallmark in their games.
Re: MindsEye Gets 8GB Xbox Update, Devs Working Hard To 'Improve The Experience'
looks at Steam player count Huh. 3302 all time player peak, and 47 playing right now on Steam.
I…don’t think this community of players will be growing all that much. Bold of the devs to spend even more money trying to fix it though, rather than accusing players of a concerned bug campaign aimed at destroying what’s left of their reputation.
Re: Microsoft Rewards Is Giving Away 500 Points For Just A Few Minutes' Work
shrugs in Mac user
Re: Hellblade 2 To Receive Free 60FPS Xbox Upgrade Alongside PS5 Release This August
@IOI It’s possible that while they were porting to PS5, they just figured out how to optimize it further. No need to assign malicious intent or purposeful delays when it can be attributed to discovering new ways to make it run better WHILE porting it to a different platform.
Re: Report: Xbox Suffering Major Layoffs Next Week, Microsoft Declines To Comment
@Kaloudz I just don’t remember Sony or Nintendo doing mass layoffs in their gaming divisions lately, excepting the once-in-a-lifetime utter failure that was Concord, of course!
Now watch, tomorrow Sony will do the same thing…
Re: Report: Xbox Suffering Major Layoffs Next Week, Microsoft Declines To Comment
@Kaloudz The behavior isn’t unique to MS, definitely. The sheer number of layoffs does seem to be, though. I do say SEEMS as I admit I haven’t seen hard numbers, of course.
Re: Report: Xbox Suffering Major Layoffs Next Week, Microsoft Declines To Comment
Gosh, who would have thought that acquiring all those studios over a relatively short period of time would result in layoffs?
Re: It Sounds Like MindsEye Is Leading To Major Layoffs At The Studio
If you release a shoddy product and people call you on said shoddy product, and before releasing said shoddy product you make accusations that anyone saying it looks like a shoddy product is part of a coordinated negativity campaign…oh, and you don’t allow people to review the shoddy product before it reaches the general public…
Well, let’s just say I am shocked, SHOCKED at this turn of events. Shocked.
Re: Reaction: Xbox's Next-Gen News Is Exciting, But It Also Leaves More Questions Than Answers
@themightyant The ONLY reason I got the series X originally was for the disc based backwards compatibility. Even if it’s in the form of “smart delivery” which I despise.
If the next XBox has no disc drive, then my belief that my series X is my first AND last XBox will sadly not change.
Re: According To Sales Estimates, Final Fantasy 16 Had A Rough First Week On Xbox
@FatGuyInLilCoat Odd how Forza Horizon 5 didn’t prioritize PS at launch, and yet that’s selling like hotcakes on PS5 years later…
Re: WD's New Special Edition Expansion Card Is Now Available For Xbox Series X|S
Gosh, the pretty designs will look so good while inserted into the rear of my console, thus making the design completely and utterly useless and irrelevant!
Re: Developer Reveals Surprisingly Critical Feedback After Launching On Xbox Game Pass
Wow, renting a game doesn’t lead to actually buying a game in general.
Whodathunkit?
Re: MindsEye Dev Shares 'Sincere Apology' With Xbox Hotfix Now In The Works
It’s so bad that Sony is actually giving refunds for this game.
Sony almost NEVER gives refunds for games.
Re: MindsEye Dev Shares 'Sincere Apology' With Xbox Hotfix Now In The Works
“Hey, sorry we accused everyone who had negative opinons of being part of a coordinated smear campaign. Turns out our game IS an unoptimized steaming pile. Our bad.”
Re: MindsEye Comparison Shows Difference Between Xbox Series X And Series S
@Ricky-Spanish It got the patch. Apparently you’re seeing it WITH the patch. It was only delayed a few hours.
Re: MindsEye Releases To Zero Reviews, But Here's What The Players Are Saying
@TapeLoader iiiiinteresting! I can’t decide if I love that or hate it, given that my pushing-50s-self seems to need more handholding these days.
Re: MindsEye Releases To Zero Reviews, But Here's What The Players Are Saying
I’m sure the guy who claimed there was some sort of coordinated negative campaign will be spouting the usual review bombing accusations soon.
@TapeLoader Oh? I keep hoping to see more about this, anything in particular impress you?
Re: Xbox & Windows Worked 'As One Development Team' To Make The ROG Xbox Ally
So Microsoft and Microsoft worked together.
Astonishing!
Re: Opinion: I've Never Liked JRPGs, But Xbox's New FF16 Demo Has Me Hooked
It’s good seeing a fantastic game be appreciated by more folks.
Re: MindsEye Launches Later Today, But Dev Warns Xbox Players To Wait For Day One Patch
@Kraven “Horrible” may have been a poorly chosen word. But none of this looks good at the moment. Especially when “Update 2” is the launch update and apparently it was submitted so late that it isn’t approved for launch day…
I didn’t hate what I saw of the game, but I honestly forgot it existed until I saw the articles about how no review codes were sent out and that’s almost always a bad sign…
I’d love to be wrong, though!
Re: MindsEye Launches Later Today, But Dev Warns Xbox Players To Wait For Day One Patch
I wonder if the dev also will blame a concerted misinformation/negativity compaign for the patch being late on XBox…
@Kraven Sometimes if a game looks like it’ll be horrible, it actually IS horrible, and when the dev cries about a conspiracy to destroy their game before release, it makes me wonder why they’re already in damage control mode…
Re: Starfield Fans Voice Their Concerns About Future Support And Updates
Sorry, but…what are people expecting here? The game is presumably complete, is more dlc being clamored for?
Re: Poll: What Were Your Top 5 Reveals At The Xbox Games Showcase 2025?
Clockwork Revolution, There Are No Ghosts… and P4R were the only ones I cared about, personally.
Re: Talking Point: How Much Do You Think The ROG Xbox Ally Will Cost?
I’m betting more like $699 and $899, but I’m not at all certain.
That said…I’ll be good with my Switch 2 as a portable, but I hope those who want this will enjoy it!
Re: Square Enix Unveils 'Possibly' The Largest Xbox Series X Ever Made
And yet it’s still cheaper than a standard 2 TB Series X…
Re: Review: Space Marine Master Crafted Edition - A Proper 360 Throwback On Xbox Game Pass
@FraserG Makes sense! Again, NO insult was intended, was pure curiosity!
Re: Review: Space Marine Master Crafted Edition - A Proper 360 Throwback On Xbox Game Pass
Ben, I mean ZERO disrespect or insult when I ask this: Why were you picked to review this while having zero 40k knowledge? Was it intentional to see how someone with no knowledge would think, or just luck of the draw? I was just amused when you mentioned the whole story passing you by bit!
@Lup I’m guessing you watched Fleekazoid’s review? I’m pretty sure he said that in his!
Re: Reaction: Xbox Games Showcase 2025 Was Just OK, But Next Year Should Be Amazing
I’m a PS and Switch fanboy.
Even I’m saying this was a good showcase. Clockwork Revolution and No Ghosts In… were very intriguing to me, and P4R had me shout YES as I was watching.
I’m content.Though that last COD reveal was just…utterly bleh.
Re: 'There Are No Ghosts At The Grand' Will Be An Xbox Game Pass Title Unlike Any Other
I admit that the trailer started out with me completely uninterested…and then the Lovecraft kicked in and they had my attention.
Re: It's Official! Persona 4 Revival Arrives Day One On Xbox Game Pass
@N00BiSH Missed opportunity indeed, but I will still play the absolute hell out of this!
Re: Last Chance! What Are Your Final Hopes For The Xbox Games Showcase 2025?
Persona 4 remake.
That’s all I’ll be watching this show for.
Re: Talking Point: Switch 2 Owners, Should Xbox Embrace Nintendo's New System?
@AccessibleDaydream Yeah, I actually will be getting that tomorrow as well! But that Onn brand card seems to be a freaking unicorn, no other brand is selling that capacity anywhere near that cheap. But I’ve had decent luck with Onn in the past.
I’m shocked that Walmart of all companies is putting a card like that out at that price. If it spontaneously catches fire, I’ll know why.
Re: Talking Point: Switch 2 Owners, Should Xbox Embrace Nintendo's New System?
@AccessibleDaydream glances at prices of microsd express cards
I mean…it’s a LITTLE bit of an issue…
Re: Talking Point: Switch 2 Owners, Should Xbox Embrace Nintendo's New System?
Well, MS’s physical releases on PS5 have been key disc games, so it’ll go well with the key card games that all but two third party Switch 2 physical launch titles got. (I bought Cyberpunk and Rune Factory Guardians of Azuma for my S2 since they were actual game releases, not those key jokes)
But MS releasing games like Forza Horizon 5, Indy and others for Switch 2 can only be a good thing.
Re: Xbox Has Reportedly 'Sidelined' Plans For A 2027 First-Party Handheld
glances at the Switch 2 and then at MS jacking up prices across the board
Huh. Can’t imagine why MS might put these plans on hold. Total mystery.
Re: Talking Point: What Game Franchises Would You Pay $80 For On Xbox?
@GuyinPA75 That’s what I was alluding to.
Re: Xbox Mobile Store Plans Being 'Stymied' By Apple, Says Microsoft
Perhaps MS should make their own phones that they can put anything they want on?
Oh…wait. That didn’t work out well last time.
Re: Talking Point: What Game Franchises Would You Pay $80 For On Xbox?
Not Borderlands 4, that’s for sure. To hades with Pitchford.
Re: One Of The Worst Xbox Games Of All Time Has Dropped To $2.99
I would need to recieve a $10 account credit to allow this to be in my library.
And I voluntarily paid five bucks for SUICIDE SQUAD.
Re: Avowed Game Director Leaves Xbox & Obsidian For Netflix Studio
Ah, Avowed. The game that wouldn’t let Fleekazoid move forward or left.
I look forward to seeing what comes next!
Re: Everyone's Going Nuts For 'Cookie Clicker' As Xbox Port Gets Announced
Trust me…there’s more to it than mindless clicking.
Re: Mortal Kombat 1 Fans Disappointed As Definitive Edition Launches On Xbox
Imagine feeling surprised and betrayed that a game is feature-complete.
Re: Warner Bros Games Revenue Declines By Almost 50% At The Start Of 2025
As the great Jeremy Clarkson would say, “Oh no! Anyway…”
Re: Xbox's DOOM: The Dark Ages Seemingly Has Tiny Amount Of Content On Disc
@BAMozzy “Physical media doesn't need to contain the entire Game Code as it does not RUN from the disc - it has to be downloaded and installed onto the Internal storage regardless of whether you download from Disc or Internet.”
The point is that if the data is on the DISC, then you don’t have to pray that you can still download the game from servers in the future, it can just be copied from the disc and installed regardless.
That’s the point. There is a LARGE difference between the two things and they are not comparable. In one scenario you can happily install the game to the console regardless of internet status. In the other, you cannot.
@Balaam_ 100% agreed! My backlog is now large enough that I can safely skip releases like this and focus on games I actually own!
@XboxNumberOne looks at my game shelf with lots of physical games Sure looks like I own these complete single player games and access to them can’t be removed…