Wow Microsoft suck ass, will make my exist even easier, they dont make good games any more, and barely make games full stop, they have canceled more games than they released. This game was one of the only projects I was looking forward to.Fu(k em
@HonestHickok that makes more sense. Gears was one of my favorite series, never really got into the PVP as I prefer FPS, but I love Gears coop and horde mode and I have also played the first game to death, I would have considered it again if it was a ground up remake but I have essentially played this version many times already.
@HonestHick can I just ask, if its your favorite game, surely you own the og and the remaster and have played both to death, its a short game, so why can you not wait for this slight tweek to a game you surely already own?
@huroma yes in the hypocritical world where the earth is struck by an asteroid tgat leaves you alive but takes out the servers where your games purchases are stored....sure
@IronMan30 what's tge point, unless people play it as a standalone title. I never played the 2nd and never will. I dont need some bs shock tactic wokified sequel taking away from a pretty good first game. But yeah if TLOU came to xbox I would advise giving it a play 7 out of 10 gameplay, but decent story and amazing voice acting which elevated the whole experience.
@Nintendo4Sonic you comment is dumb, of course more people try games on gamepass, once you have paid for the month you can try as many as you like and stick with ones you like. Gamepas helps the industry because it exposes people to different genres, maybe you only played FPS but tried a turn based RPGs and loved it. B tier and indie devs can have the entire production budget for their game covered to be in gampass, they get the exposure and word of mouth then leading to sales on PC, PS and yes even xbox.
@Nintendo4Sonic I complete way more games now that I have gamepass, the fact that games leave the service motivates me to finish the ones I like or if I see a game scheduled to leave if I am semi interested I try it and many cases have finished it before it left the service.
@Balaam_ Its s really underrated game. It still looks amazing graphically. I am sure with the poor sales of Alan Wake 2 Remedy would also love a cash boost.
@AlwaysPlaying well with all the moves MS are making I think it might take miracle for me to get a next gen xbox, so it would give me a ***** tonne of games in my backlog to focus on
@Lup I probably have close to that, I have over 400 digital xbox games and boxes and boxes of 360 and Og xbox games. But yeah I probably have slowed down due to gamepas, but I still pick a tonne of games up during sales, and the very occasional day 1 purchase. But those are few and far between
I do all the time, normally I wait for sales for all single player games, for example the resident evil remakes I waited to each one went down to about 15 bucks, I have gamepass and a huge backlog so need to pay day 1 prices. I just finished RE3, I still have 4 and 8 to play, but will finish Alan Wake 2 first. Also picked Robocop up in one of the previous sales.
I was hoping to see some gameplay for this, but there us no point now if will be canceled with the next wave as MS will focus on the cash cows from Actiblizz and Minecraft moving forward all other games will be canceled
@SeaDaVie again Jesus go look at attach rates for console, average console has 8 games attached, those 8 games maybe bought in sale and only a couple will be first party, so for most of those MS will only get 30% of the sale price, now if they lock you into game pass at the cost of 2 full games a year or 3 to 4 not over a console gen thst uz the equivalent to 16 full priced games, yes there are additional costs but the majority of non 1st part games are Indie, AA or older games so the cost of getting them on the service is low.
Of course its sustainable if it was managed welll.
The math is down to console attach rates. Take the Xbox 1, the attach rate was 7 to 8 games per console over its entire life cycle. (Attach rate does not take into account the price of the games, just rhe total number of games sold devided by the total number of consoles sold)
Now if you can get the majority of console owners to sub to gamepas for the price of 2 games (2 60 bucks full price games, or now 3) that' alone would be like a gamer buying 16 or now 24 games over an 8 year console cycle.
Its double or triple the normal attach rate, and its at full game prices not games bought on sale.
The service now brings in over 3.9 Billion a year. Moving forward they could fund 6 AAA 200m games a year, 10 AA 50m games a yesr for 1.7
7 Billion, put 800m into costs paying current games on the service and run servers pay staff, and that would still leave 1.4 Billion for tax and profits, and MS does ome seriously shady ***** to avoid taxes.
Can someone explain to me how financially this is not sustainable, also they sell the games they make to non gamepass members on Xbox and PC and now also PS5?
Now if you claim its the quality of the content MS is producing and the time it takes to produce, then yes you might have a point. But Gamepass can alos help Indie and AA game devs survive.
@galson mine too, but I got 2 years of game pass paid off and a huge backlog so it will be awhile before I am out but yeah will be minimizing the amount of money MS make from me moving forward, could have lived with the third party thing if the next xbox was able to play my xbox library and have access to steam, but the scummy antics last week just pushed me over thw edge.
Not the slop MS are going to double down on moving forward, ***** like Grounded and SOT as they cancel any project that that cant be milked as a live service
At this stage ***** MS and the so called Xbox leadership. They have done nothing but destroy the industry for the last 15 years. I am done. I cannot support this ***** any longer.
@Cakefish well they had plenty of time to do something about it, and they pissed it away. Either that or MS had most of them working on SOT content. Let's face it though it's just more jaw dropping terrible management of talent by Phil and the gang
Oh no I was hoping for another cartoony borefest from MS. That's a shane at least we are getting lots of AAA adult focused games with cutting edge graphics, oh wait we are not getting that either hang on a minute what F are they doing over there
@Balaam_ Forza 1-4 were the best racers around, then Turn 10 seemed to go to *****. Racing fans on PS would buy a top tier Forza of the quality of 4. Its not like they are swimming in GT releases, they could stager the release so it comes out 2 years after every GT, but hey MS dont know their asses from their elbow when it comes to gaming so they would probably just release it thevsamevday as GT
@SaltySpitoon957 the last game sucked and the series was going down hill after 4. Not sure if it was just bloat. Maybe a smaller more passionate team will bring back the glory days, I doubt it though, MS just cannot manage game studios
@Exerion76 someone needs to tell the ***** xbox is nearly dead, a huge chunk of people will switch to PS or PC next gen no matter how good the next xbox is, because they dont trust him or MS in general anymore after all the lies and 180s. How he pretends not to know this while he spews out this corporate diarrhea is hilarious
@Juanalf no it didn't, it looked terrible with horrible animations, what we saw looked like cg and not in game even. It was shaping up to be another Redfall or worse, Phil wouldn't know a good game if it snacked him in the face. He really should move on. He fooled me , I thought he would save the brand, but he seems to know nothing about gaming or what gamers want, how to sell consoles or manage game studios
@Deshalu he never even tried to compete, to compete they needed high quality first and third party exclusive content, that gives people a reason to pick you console over a competitors, this is common sense and something they knew in og and early 360 days
The announcement is they intend to release 60% of a halo game in 4 years time. Which is a huge improvement over the 50% of a game they released last time after the longest dev time of halo game yet, they will announce the game is again focused on the 8 people who play halo at a pro level to give the 25 people who watch esport halo something to look forward to while causing 90% of casual players to drop the game after 2 weeks of getting stomped. They will promise to make the story line as convoluted as possible and confirm that even after reading 8 books and watching an animated series or 2 you will still only have a 10% chance of knowing what was going on, they will double down on the bland maps, which are all ***** for vehicles and ensure vehicles are made of paper and explode if they hit a bit of grass. I mean just more 343 halo. Can't wait, I guess at least PS fantards will get to play a ***** halo game too so double yay I guess
1. Maybe a game of the year contender, for the first time in over a decade? 2. Less souless 7 out of 10 games. 3. Stop letting Sony money hat all the actual good 3rd party games to keep them off xbox. 4. Stop calling everything an xbox until it can actually play xbox games. A Playstation is more of an Xbox than a quest 3. 5. Figure out what your actual plan is then stop doing ***** that makes you look like liars. 6. Hire a team that is passionate about Halo and give us a good traditional Halo game every 4 years. Hire a team that is passionate about gears and give us a new game every 4 years. Stop making these games to b fir everyone, they should be adult themed, gears should be dark and Gritty. Drop all woke ***** across the board, including making all female characters look like men, if I cannot make my own character in Fable and I am stuck looking like what ever that was in the reveal trailer, I am out. 7. Release an Elite controller 3 that does not have trash build quality. 8. Make consoles with a focus on gamers. How is it that I could set default controls like inverting the Y axis at the system level on 360 but I have to do it on a game by game basis for the last 12 years. Hire someone like Jay Allard or Mark Cerny who at least seems to know what gamers want.
But in that they won't do any of that and will double down on churning out more 6 and 7 out of 10 games while jacking up the price of gamepass and slapping xbox stickers on fridges and toasters, I am probably out.
Probably the only thing that will keep me on their hardware will be if it is a cheap standard PC that I can access my 500 xbox games and steam, GOG and Epic, but for a cheap price other than that I am going PC and will pick up a cheap XSX as a back up to still have access to my Xbox library.
Still prefer this and the huge DLC over thw janky 2. I know they put a lot of work in so I will revisit 2, but I preferred the vehicle gameplay of the DLC from fame 1
Anyone try this, I think its quite fun, but will never be as popular as RL, the controls feel a bit too complicated. I will give it a decent go before final verdict. I am sick to death of Rocket league.
Xbox should continue partnering with other hardware manufacturers where they share the dev costs and actually subsidize it a bit to keep costs low, they can just market it for cheap when they do these big shows, they know PC and PS gamers now watch as the games shown will come to their platforms. If the ROG is between 800 and 1000, I project sales of 1.5 to 2 million that is it, it will be very niche, they need to continue with the focus on playing existing games rather than yet another platform devs have to support. TBH if they could get it to play my entire xbox library and support steam and come in at 600-800 I would be somewhat interested
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Re: Xbox Is Officially 'Stopping' Development On First-Party Game Contraband
Wow Microsoft suck ass, will make my exist even easier, they dont make good games any more, and barely make games full stop, they have canceled more games than they released. This game was one of the only projects I was looking forward to.Fu(k em
Re: Gears Of War: Reloaded Preload Is Now Live On Xbox Series X|S
@HonestHickok that makes more sense. Gears was one of my favorite series, never really got into the PVP as I prefer FPS, but I love Gears coop and horde mode and I have also played the first game to death, I would have considered it again if it was a ground up remake but I have essentially played this version many times already.
Re: Gears Of War: Reloaded Preload Is Now Live On Xbox Series X|S
@HonestHick can I just ask, if its your favorite game, surely you own the og and the remaster and have played both to death, its a short game, so why can you not wait for this slight tweek to a game you surely already own?
Re: GTA Insider Shares First Look At Age Verification Checks For GTA Online
@InheritNegative yup, keep repeating we are free, we are free, we are free to do what they tell us.
Re: Rumour: Starfield Could Be Getting Interplanetary Travel Ahead Of Expansion 2 On Xbox
@RadioHedgeFund throw in Mass Effect and Halo and you are getting close
Re: Three Games Are Leaving Xbox Game Pass In Early August 2025
@TrollOfWar Thanks, will give it a shot, I guess the clock is ticking
Re: Three Games Are Leaving Xbox Game Pass In Early August 2025
I own Anthem, think I bought it for a few bucks on sale, is it worth a playthrough?
Re: 'Days Gone' Tweet Attracts The Attention Of Xbox Fans, But Don't Get Your Hopes Up
If they are not making a sequel, why not release it on Xbox
Re: A Month After Xbox Layoffs, Call Of Duty Dev Raven Software Officially Unionises
Like closing the stable door after the farmer shot all the horses
Re: Talking Point: What Are Your First Impressions Of Grounded 2 On Xbox Game Pass?
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Re: PvZ: Replanted Is A 'Definitive Remaster' Of The Xbox 360 Original, Releasing This October
Can't wait for next gen when its wall to wall reamasters of remasters with a few remakes of remakes thrown on for variety
Re: Hideo Kojima Says We're Either Going To Love Or Hate His Xbox-Published Game 'OD'
Sounds pretentious as *****. If you dont like it, you just dont get it, na 9 times out of 10 its just *****
Re: Microsoft Highlights First-Party & Xbox Game Pass Success In FY25 Q4 Earnings Report
@huroma yes in the hypocritical world where the earth is struck by an asteroid tgat leaves you alive but takes out the servers where your games purchases are stored....sure
Re: Microsoft Highlights First-Party & Xbox Game Pass Success In FY25 Q4 Earnings Report
@huroma how are you tied to a store on PC, you can have steam and epic games, gog on the same machine
Re: Talking Point: So, What Other PS5 Games Do You Want To See Come To Xbox?
@IronMan30 what's tge point, unless people play it as a standalone title. I never played the 2nd and never will. I dont need some bs shock tactic wokified sequel taking away from a pretty good first game. But yeah if TLOU came to xbox I would advise giving it a play 7 out of 10 gameplay, but decent story and amazing voice acting which elevated the whole experience.
Re: Poll: What Are Your First Impressions Of Wuchang: Fallen Feathers On Xbox Game Pass?
@Nintendo4Sonic you comment is dumb, of course more people try games on gamepass, once you have paid for the month you can try as many as you like and stick with ones you like. Gamepas helps the industry because it exposes people to different genres, maybe you only played FPS but tried a turn based RPGs and loved it. B tier and indie devs can have the entire production budget for their game covered to be in gampass, they get the exposure and word of mouth then leading to sales on PC, PS and yes even xbox.
Re: Poll: What Are Your First Impressions Of Wuchang: Fallen Feathers On Xbox Game Pass?
@Nintendo4Sonic I complete way more games now that I have gamepass, the fact that games leave the service motivates me to finish the ones I like or if I see a game scheduled to leave if I am semi interested I try it and many cases have finished it before it left the service.
Re: Xbox Will Apparently Announce More PS5 & Switch 2 Ports 'In The Coming Weeks'
@Balaam_ Its s really underrated game. It still looks amazing graphically. I am sure with the poor sales of Alan Wake 2 Remedy would also love a cash boost.
Re: Clive Barker's Hellraiser: Revival Announced For Xbox, And It's 'Closer Than You'd Think'
Looks pretty good. Horror games are few and far between so unless it gets awful reviews it might be my first day one purchase this year
Re: No Rest For The Wicked May Skip Xbox 'For The Time Being' Due To 'Current Market Conditions'
Won't be buying your game now on any platform, snubbing xbox fans worked out well for Cliffy B, and I assume will work out great here too.
Re: Talking Point: As A Game Pass Subscriber, Do You Still Spend Money In Xbox Sales?
@AlwaysPlaying well with all the moves MS are making I think it might take miracle for me to get a next gen xbox, so it would give me a ***** tonne of games in my backlog to focus on
Re: Talking Point: As A Game Pass Subscriber, Do You Still Spend Money In Xbox Sales?
@Lup I probably have close to that, I have over 400 digital xbox games and boxes and boxes of 360 and Og xbox games. But yeah I probably have slowed down due to gamepas, but I still pick a tonne of games up during sales, and the very occasional day 1 purchase. But those are few and far between
Re: Talking Point: As A Game Pass Subscriber, Do You Still Spend Money In Xbox Sales?
I do all the time, normally I wait for sales for all single player games, for example the resident evil remakes I waited to each one went down to about 15 bucks, I have gamepass and a huge backlog so need to pay day 1 prices. I just finished RE3, I still have 4 and 8 to play, but will finish Alan Wake 2 first. Also picked Robocop up in one of the previous sales.
Re: Xbox's Contraband Still In The Works As Job Listing Reveals New Details
I was hoping to see some gameplay for this, but there us no point now if will be canceled with the next wave as MS will focus on the cash cows from Actiblizz and Minecraft moving forward all other games will be canceled
Re: Xbox Reporter Addresses Game Pass Confusion, Says It's Still A Profitable Service In 2025
@SeaDaVie again Jesus go look at attach rates for console, average console has 8 games attached, those 8 games maybe bought in sale and only a couple will be first party, so for most of those MS will only get 30% of the sale price, now if they lock you into game pass at the cost of 2 full games a year or 3 to 4 not over a console gen thst uz the equivalent to 16 full priced games, yes there are additional costs but the majority of non 1st part games are Indie, AA or older games so the cost of getting them on the service is low.
Re: Is Xbox Game Pass Unsustainable? Arkane Founder Sparks Huge Debate On Social Media
Of course its sustainable if it was managed welll.
The math is down to console attach rates. Take the Xbox 1, the attach rate was 7 to 8 games per console over its entire life cycle. (Attach rate does not take into account the price of the games, just rhe total number of games sold devided by the total number of consoles sold)
Now if you can get the majority of console owners to sub to gamepas for the price of 2 games (2 60 bucks full price games, or now 3) that' alone would be like a gamer buying 16 or now 24 games over an 8 year console cycle.
Its double or triple the normal attach rate, and its at full game prices not games bought on sale.
The service now brings in over 3.9 Billion a year. Moving forward they could fund 6 AAA 200m games a year, 10 AA 50m games a yesr for 1.7
7 Billion, put 800m into costs paying current games on the service and run servers pay staff, and that would still leave 1.4 Billion for tax and profits, and MS does ome seriously shady ***** to avoid taxes.
Can someone explain to me how financially this is not sustainable, also they sell the games they make to non gamepass members on Xbox and PC and now also PS5?
Now if you claim its the quality of the content MS is producing and the time it takes to produce, then yes you might have a point. But Gamepass can alos help Indie and AA game devs survive.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (July 5-6)
@ScalenePowers did it get enhanced in any way for SX, I own it but never really gave it much of a play, same with 3 TBH, the dialog felt cringe
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (July 5-6)
@galson mine too, but I got 2 years of game pass paid off and a huge backlog so it will be awhile before I am out but yeah will be minimizing the amount of money MS make from me moving forward, could have lived with the third party thing if the next xbox was able to play my xbox library and have access to steam, but the scummy antics last week just pushed me over thw edge.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (July 5-6)
Mafia Definitive edition, it leaves GP on the 15th and its pretty good, you can finish it in 6-7 hours so still time.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (July 5-6)
Not the slop MS are going to double down on moving forward, ***** like Grounded and SOT as they cancel any project that that cant be milked as a live service
Re: Former Xbox Dev Claims Turn 10's Forza Motorsport Team 'Is No More'
At this stage ***** MS and the so called Xbox leadership. They have done nothing but destroy the industry for the last 15 years. I am done. I cannot support this ***** any longer.
Re: Xbox's Matt Booty Issues Statement On Layoffs And Game Cancellations
@Nepp67 yeah all the terrible choices that have driven the xbox brand into the ground they sure seem to have been made lightly
Re: Xbox's Everwild Gets Cancelled As Layoffs Hit Sea Of Thieves Developer
@Cakefish well they had plenty of time to do something about it, and they pissed it away. Either that or MS had most of them working on SOT content. Let's face it though it's just more jaw dropping terrible management of talent by Phil and the gang
Re: Xbox's Everwild Gets Cancelled As Layoffs Hit Sea Of Thieves Developer
Oh no I was hoping for another cartoony borefest from MS. That's a shane at least we are getting lots of AAA adult focused games with cutting edge graphics, oh wait we are not getting that either hang on a minute what F are they doing over there
Re: Forza Motorsport Team Reportedly Loses 'Nearly 50% Of Staff' In Xbox Job Cuts
@Balaam_ Forza 1-4 were the best racers around, then Turn 10 seemed to go to *****. Racing fans on PS would buy a top tier Forza of the quality of 4. Its not like they are swimming in GT releases, they could stager the release so it comes out 2 years after every GT, but hey MS dont know their asses from their elbow when it comes to gaming so they would probably just release it thevsamevday as GT
Re: Forza Motorsport Team Reportedly Loses 'Nearly 50% Of Staff' In Xbox Job Cuts
@SaltySpitoon957 the last game sucked and the series was going down hill after 4. Not sure if it was just bloat. Maybe a smaller more passionate team will bring back the glory days, I doubt it though, MS just cannot manage game studios
Re: Xbox Layoffs Begin As Phil Spencer Shares Internal Microsoft Gaming Update
@Exerion76 someone needs to tell the ***** xbox is nearly dead, a huge chunk of people will switch to PS or PC next gen no matter how good the next xbox is, because they dont trust him or MS in general anymore after all the lies and 180s. How he pretends not to know this while he spews out this corporate diarrhea is hilarious
Re: Two More Xbox Games Are Being Cancelled, Including Perfect Dark
@Juanalf no it didn't, it looked terrible with horrible animations, what we saw looked like cg and not in game even. It was shaping up to be another Redfall or worse, Phil wouldn't know a good game if it snacked him in the face. He really should move on. He fooled me , I thought he would save the brand, but he seems to know nothing about gaming or what gamers want, how to sell consoles or manage game studios
Re: Two More Xbox Games Are Being Cancelled, Including Perfect Dark
Phil and the gang yet again showing hiw utterly useless at running dev studios. Apart from playground the dev teams they built have sucked.
Re: These Seven Games Are Coming To Xbox Game Pass (July 2-15)
Wow a lot of old and stuff previously on the service. We have had some hit a miss months this year
Re: Ex Blizzard Boss Thinks Microsoft Should Pick Its Xbox Strategy And 'Stick To It'
@Deshalu he never even tried to compete, to compete they needed high quality first and third party exclusive content, that gives people a reason to pick you console over a competitors, this is common sense and something they knew in og and early 360 days
Re: Ex Blizzard Boss Thinks Microsoft Should Pick Its Xbox Strategy And 'Stick To It'
@Deshalu yep a 1 console future, but what kind of exec goes out of his way to ensure that 1 console future is the competitors console
Re: Halo Studios Confirms Major Reveal To Take Place Later This Year
The announcement is they intend to release 60% of a halo game in 4 years time. Which is a huge improvement over the 50% of a game they released last time after the longest dev time of halo game yet, they will announce the game is again focused on the 8 people who play halo at a pro level to give the 25 people who watch esport halo something to look forward to while causing 90% of casual players to drop the game after 2 weeks of getting stomped. They will promise to make the story line as convoluted as possible and confirm that even after reading 8 books and watching an animated series or 2 you will still only have a 10% chance of knowing what was going on, they will double down on the bland maps, which are all ***** for vehicles and ensure vehicles are made of paper and explode if they hit a bit of grass. I mean just more 343 halo. Can't wait, I guess at least PS fantards will get to play a ***** halo game too so double yay I guess
Re: Talking Point: What Do You Want To See From Xbox In The Second Half Of The Year?
1. Maybe a game of the year contender, for the first time in over a decade?
2. Less souless 7 out of 10 games.
3. Stop letting Sony money hat all the actual good 3rd party games to keep them off xbox.
4. Stop calling everything an xbox until it can actually play xbox games. A Playstation is more of an Xbox than a quest 3.
5. Figure out what your actual plan is then stop doing ***** that makes you look like liars.
6. Hire a team that is passionate about Halo and give us a good traditional Halo game every 4 years. Hire a team that is passionate about gears and give us a new game every 4 years. Stop making these games to b fir everyone, they should be adult themed, gears should be dark and Gritty. Drop all woke ***** across the board, including making all female characters look like men, if I cannot make my own character in Fable and I am stuck looking like what ever that was in the reveal trailer, I am out.
7. Release an Elite controller 3 that does not have trash build quality.
8. Make consoles with a focus on gamers. How is it that I could set default controls like inverting the Y axis at the system level on 360 but I have to do it on a game by game basis for the last 12 years. Hire someone like Jay Allard or Mark Cerny who at least seems to know what gamers want.
But in that they won't do any of that and will double down on churning out more 6 and 7 out of 10 games while jacking up the price of gamepass and slapping xbox stickers on fridges and toasters, I am probably out.
Probably the only thing that will keep me on their hardware will be if it is a cheap standard PC that I can access my 500 xbox games and steam, GOG and Epic, but for a cheap price other than that I am going PC and will pick up a cheap XSX as a back up to still have access to my Xbox library.
Re: Dying Light Is Getting Visually 'Enhanced' For Free On Xbox This Week
Still prefer this and the huge DLC over thw janky 2. I know they put a lot of work in so I will revisit 2, but I preferred the vehicle gameplay of the DLC from fame 1
Re: Nightdive Studios Teases 'Big Thing' Happening At QuakeCon 2025
@Decimateh Yeah I would love another horror focused doom
Re: Stalker 2 Update 1.5 Includes Mods On Xbox, Here Are The Patch Notes
I enjoyed what I played, just too many games not enough time
Re: Rematch: Release Date, Release Times & Crossplay Details On Xbox Game Pass
Anyone try this, I think its quite fun, but will never be as popular as RL, the controls feel a bit too complicated. I will give it a decent go before final verdict. I am sick to death of Rocket league.
Re: Xbox First-Party Handheld Plans 'Essentially Cancelled', Claims Report
@ButterySmooth30FPS I never said it was huge but if it brings a library of 1000 xbox games then many xbox gamers will consider it
Re: Xbox First-Party Handheld Plans 'Essentially Cancelled', Claims Report
Xbox should continue partnering with other hardware manufacturers where they share the dev costs and actually subsidize it a bit to keep costs low, they can just market it for cheap when they do these big shows, they know PC and PS gamers now watch as the games shown will come to their platforms. If the ROG is between 800 and 1000, I project sales of 1.5 to 2 million that is it, it will be very niche, they need to continue with the focus on playing existing games rather than yet another platform devs have to support. TBH if they could get it to play my entire xbox library and support steam and come in at 600-800 I would be somewhat interested