JayJ

Why would anyone want to develop for Xbox going forward?

Who cares, Xbox is ruined. 25 years is not an anniversary, it's how long the brand survived.

This is the console generation that has made me say enough is enough when it comes to home consoles.

Big news for the 3 or so people who still haven't bought or played GTAV yet.

@Gabrie Yeah it's true. I honestly believe my PS5 Pro will be the last traditional home console I will have. I will keep with Nintendo's Switch as it's a hybrid and I love their approach to handheld gaming, but going forward I just don't see myself wanting to stay with Sony or Microsoft next gen. Steam is just so much better right now it's crazy, they are so much more attractive when it comes to customer service and open platform access, not to mention online service.

I think RIP Xbox I already know what I will be replacing my consoles with going forward.

I don't even have any interest in anything Microsoft is doing anymore, I think Steam is such a better company, there is no comparison really. Like comparing someone who is usually nice to you to someone who is hostile and out to get you.

@Techno92LFC I wouldn't even want GT7 on Xbox anymore, but I would love to see it show up on PC.

I think Forza Motorsport 23 is just like the rest of the Xbox brand these days. By that I mean it seems like Microsoft has given up on it after they basically ruined it with awful, greedy, out of touch ideas.

So it's like, millennial high school simulator?

@Raffles Yeah I feel like the obsession with lighting and effects can become a real issue when it comes to performance optimization these days. I can go back to older games and with a high resolution and fast frame rate they can look just as good if not better in action compared to some of these latest games. It almost feels like devs are scrambling for a "wow" factor for screen shots and these games just never look that good while playing with the frame rate hit.

I'm on Core or Essential for now but I will probably just cancel when its finished early next year.

@You-come-to-me Yeah I really don't see the need for new consoles right now when the PS5 Pro is still relatively new and AAA games take so many years to release. It's like IMO this gen only relatively recently started getting good, heck PS5 Pro enhanced games are still a thing that only the latest and greatest releases seems to really support. I just can't see where all this desire for newer better more expensive hardware is coming from. Gains have never been harder to spot as well, seems like smooth 60fps became far more of a target than higher resolution/fancier graphics, where we only seem to be making "spot the difference" gains.

For once I simply have no desire for a next gen, especially right now.

This is the one thing Xbox seems to be good for these days, these AA PC ports.

Who knows if the studio will even last that long under EA's new ownership.

The funny thing about this is nobody is going to care by the end of 2026.

I don't think anyone has any faith in Xbox by this point.

Eventually Microsoft is going to see a sharp decline in Game Pass subscribers whenever their subscriptions expire and they will be in a panic.

@RetroMan71 Nah the site is still all messed up.

@Cakefish Yeah I hate the entire idea of being dependent upon streaming for gaming because in my experience internet services are simply not the sort of thing you can always depend upon.

I just tried going to xbox.com to check on something and it was refusing to load. Thought it was my ad blocker acting up but no, deleted the site cookies as well, nope, tried a different browser and accessing microsoft.com, still no go. Then I see how everyone else is complaining.

Microsoft just can't stop stacking L's lately it seems.

@Elbow Yeah I honestly hate how anyone brought that into here anyways. If you like that sort of political meme material great, but please keep it out of a gaming site like this (not that you're to blame).

@Elbow Since when did memes need anyone's approval?

This game has really become my favorite open world driving game as of lately, feels like the only one that isn't going for some completely arcadey approach with jumps, fireworks, and confetti all over the place.

They don't want to admit they screwed up. They ruined the studio and made the game live service only to quickly give up on keeping it up.

@Fiendish-Beaver Yeah Assetto Corsa was really dominated that community content scene so far, but this might have a chance if it brings that to consoles, the community scene of Assetto is only on PC.

@Fiendish-Beaver Yeah I see Rennsport as more of a community driven tool sort of game, I am sure the community content is going to be what makes it, but that will take some time to really develop. Project Motor Racing seems like more of the latest Project Cars 2 or Assetto Corsa Competizione sort of game.

Wow they did it, they actually followed through with doing something good for once. I am both astonished and pleased as I have been a fan of The Crew but always frustrated with the always-online requirements. That practice needs to come to an end, so many games that demand that don't seem to have any real need for it. Most of the time I would be fine with playing the games offline or even prefer them offline so I don't have to deal with other people and can just play the game in peace.

The Crew was always one of those games, seemed like most online interactions I had were obnoxious and took away from the immersion.

Racing games have been one of the few genres still peaking in this day and age and I love it.

@TheGameThrifter Yeah she does come off as a typical corporate climbing executive type, but Xbox seems to be full of people like that these days.

Guaranteed to be the console to make me ask: "why don't I just get a gaming PC and call it a day?"

Glad to see Nascar games back. Heat 4 was actually a surprisingly good game, made by the same people who make the World of Outlaws Dirt Racing games (excellent racing games for oval track). That said Heat 5 was a decline, and Nascar 21 Ignition is no joke one of the worst games I have ever played, just incredibly bad for what it should have been. Glad Motorsport Games is no longer around, that was just an awful studio. Excited to see iRacing take this over.

@BleedingDreamer This reminds me of when a big store chain is clearly going out of business, but corporate will never admit it, running every excuse they can, saying things like "we're changing distributors" as shelves become empty. Give it enough time and those businesses always go bankrupt and out of business before long.

The fact that they are desperately trying to deny this is happening speaks volumes about the current state of affairs over at Xbox. Clearly they don't want the brand to be declining the way it is, but there is no denying the evidence of the decline.

Remember when Time was a relevant news publication that people actually cared about and took seriously? It was a long time ago.

@themightyant I feel like the "normal" generational advancement timelines no longer really apply to this day and age because the pace and improvements have slowed down so much compared to the 90's and 00's. Like 5 years made a whole world of difference back in the 90's, it was the difference between 16-bit 2D graphics and early 3D graphics. The difference between those early 3D 90's consoles and PS2/Xbox/GC gen was massive and also only about 5 years difference. Then in the 00's going from that to 360/PS3 was huge as well. Things really started slowing down going from that to PS4/One, and things have really slowed down even more in the latest gen.

Technology simply isn't advancing in a really noticeable way anywhere near as fast or prominently as it once was, so we simply don't have any need for new consoles like we used to. This is made even more apparent by the introduction of upgrade consoles like the PS4/5 Pro, and the OS Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo are using for their latest consoles feels like they are merely direct continual evolutions of what they had last-gen. To top it off game development has slowed down to a crawl compared to what it was like back in the 90's and 00's, with some games taking about a decade or entire generation just to release, not even including the years of updates they usually need after.

Honestly I am not even interested in next gen consoles right now, I think it's way too early to be even thinking about that. The PS5 Pro just recently released and it can handle anything I want to play incredibly well. I don't even see the purpose in a next gen Xbox anymore, like why bother when it won't have any exclusives and Game Pass is no longer priced to be appealing? I feel like this gen burned me out on subscription services anyways, I don't want to be paying $80 or more for only a year of basic multiplayer and cloud save access. To top it off generational gains have really plateaued, it's hard enough for me to tell the differences between better looking PS4 games from average PS5 games, especially when those PS4 games have enhanced resolution/frame rate over what I had last gen.

I am ready to just build a nice gaming PC for all my next gen needs and retire on my PS5 Pro and Series X as my last home consoles.

Makes sense, the standard version competes too directly with the Steam Deck, which most people interested in such a device are likely to already own. This leaves the high-end X model as the more appealing option, and I bet it's selling out fast because the supplies are low.

@Nexozi Undoubtedly.

Another "hey check out this interesting game idea that got cancelled at Xbox."

Nice guy huh? Well good for him, but nice guys finish last.

I used to get decent rewards for purchasing games, now they give me 1 point for every dollar spent, it's just a total joke, I would need to spend about $5,000 just to get a $5 reward.

They can do whatever they want, I don't have any faith in Xbox anymore. All my confidence and desire for the brand is gone.

Don't even see the point in a next gen Xbox anymore, why would I want one over a PS6?

I'd definitely wait by now. I managed to get an Elite 2 on sale fairly recently and there is no way I would bother with a newer version anymore.

@awp69 True but this also managed to become an Xbox issue due to the way the Xbox store is setup:
"Again, it should be stressed that the security vulnerability isn't said to affect console versions, but because of how the Microsoft Store works, the delisting for the likes of Pentiment and Wasteland 3 still applies on the console version of the store."

Cool for whoever wants to support... this.

Things just keep getting worse at Xbox.

Here's what's leaving Game Pass: these games and most of their customers.

These games go on sale regularly for only a few dollars, why would I want to pay $30 a month to rent them?

@tigersden98 Everything changed when games went from being games to becoming services. Now all the big gaming corporations are obsessed with services and that is what they want to sell us as opposed to games.