I’ll have to wait and hear what the quality is like first, but I definitely want to support this, in hopes Aspyr can give The Last Revelation the same treatment. Wishful thinking maybe.
@Phantasystar77 My knee jerk reaction is about the same as yours. As an Xbox supporter I continue to feel disenchanted by their nice guy strategy. Not at first, but lately, I’m not feeling particularly good about it. Public perception is very important and I don’t think it’s making them look as good as they think it is. I know the money they will make will always speak louder than any online bickering about who’s better, but damn, I hope it works out for them long term, cause I’m not seeing it short term.
I’ve had a great experience personally. But I’ve only requested twice. One time because the game’s framerate was abysmal and made the game unplayable. And the other because I profoundly disliked the game, which is the one I thought they wouldn’t refund, but they did, within an hour or two. Can’t complain.
Please don’t use this story to dogpile Xbox. It’s really not them being “Scummy” it’s just an unfortunate sequence of events. The auto upload shouldn’t be on by default. That’s it.
As we get more games with adult content, this is bound to happen. But whether or not you think that stuff should be on the network for everyone to see, is pretty much irrelevant, because they don’t want it there and that makes sense. I personally don’t care, but whatever.
Ok this is a bit silly. I don’t like AI generated art as much as the next person. But I’m more alarmed by the outrage from these indie game enthusiasts… I mean, chill out. That one guy sounded like the worst game activist you’d never want to meet, so he couldn’t proceed to tell you you’re a bad person for buying anything made on a AAA budget…
It shouldn’t have been done, but it doesn’t actually matter in this context. As AI grows, it’s gonna become more commonplace and most likely harder to tell what’s generated and what isn’t. And that is scary for sure, but this seems like just a bad call to me.
Let’s not pretend that it’s not skewed though. These negative reviews are pointed, people got daggers for Bethesda and even more so, Todd. Gamer culture is awful like that. It doesn’t really deserve that level of derision but whatever. I wonder what the reception would have been like if FO76 never happened.
When I first got a Series S, I used it all the time, it was mind blowing. That was all before I realised it caused problems with achievements and sometimes caused the occasional crash. Now I don’t trust it. I only resume something I was just playing and only for a day, I’ll restart the game after that if I’m still playing it.
I stand by this guy entirely. He even said it far more diplomatically than I ever would. The arrogance, ignorance and childish behaviour of gamers is eternally frustrating and annoying. It’s what discourages me from even trying to get into game development.
Even some folks in these comments don’t get it and are being weird about it. But well, I guess that’s just the internet for you.
Point is, I recognise the work that went into Starfield and really like the game despite being able to point out its flaws quite clearly. Apparently that’s too hard for some? This game has irrationally become tied to the whipping post and we still got fools saying it’s not as good as a game they used to hate… That has had 7 years of updates. Superb logic there.
Pour one out. I know some game journo’s were always mad that the public viewed E3 as some big super fun time event and even attended it when they shouldn’t have, but screw them, E3 was amazing.
I loved Gamespots coverage in the early and mid 00’s. And even into the early 10’s a little bit. I had fun chatting during the livestreams, something I rarely find enjoyable at all, especially now. So many fond memories.
Super sad it had to end this way. The other showcases we get these days have never been quite the same. But it obviously makes more sense this way.
Careful SEGA… Make sure these are good and not just nostalgia bait, there was a really bad 3D Golden Axe before and 3D beat ‘em ups have a history of being real bad too. So be careful with Streets of Rage.
However, I am a humongous SEGA dork and this is music to my ears. Favourite news from the awards by far!
I’m glad Rise came out and exists because that is more of a classic MH experience. Slightly trepidatious of this seemingly more open, freeform MH. I guess I’d be sad to see classic MH go extinct, but it’s Capcom and should be in good hands, so, I’ll have faith.
The whole thing is incredibly depressing for someone who has spent so much time and money on the Xbox ecosystem…
The thing that makes me mad is; Outside of a dozen games sporadically released over the last decade, what’s so special and earth shattering about PlayStation? Nothing, it’s just brand power. And the Xbox brand damage is practically irreversible at this point. I’m more than unhappy at Microsoft for letting Sony walk all over them and continuing to do so. Especially in marketing, as others have pointed out. In the UK the Xbox is a non entity, that is no exaggeration. I could easily just place all the blame on Don Mattrick for the Xbox One, but it’s not all his fault…
My PS1 and PS2 got a lot of use in their day, but my PS3 and PS4 were always secondary to me, I’ve always thought Xbox was a better place to be as a consumer. My only hope now, as things get bleaker, is that some day my library will remain intact and can be played on some other system or device. Whether that’s some other console or that streaming gets better to the point it’s indistinguishable from the real thing.
@themightyant The real problem was people doing nothing but that, because they thought it was going to be NMS 2 (bear in mind people hated that at launch too)
And to be fair, Bethesda didn’t do themselves any favours in their marketing and build to launch. But I can’t imagine they’d be that stupid to think they were infallible with what they were launching with. Either they were actually that naive or just couldn’t get it to where they wanted to be, in that area anyway.
I really like the game for the record. If they had hundreds of unique dungeons, instead of what feels like a dozen, it would make just one playthrough feel way better. Emphasis on playthrough, because I feel like some people just wanted it to be another endless survival-craft game.
And also, this is something that can be remedied both officially and unofficially, in the years to come. But gamers like to hold grudges…
@Tasuki It does make me mad when I see people only play one game for 10 hour stretches every day, rush to the end and then complain that there's nothing left or that they're bored of it. I'm like; You play games wrong!
Well it's their right to. I like the style, I just think it's another one of those edgelord games made by questionable folk.
@Pimpernel Not really, more things got banned back then and Manhunt was highly controversial. It got banned in several countries. I'd argue it's quite tame by today's standards, but the context of that game was the important thing.
This game seems a little more silly by comparison so I don't know how to feel about it, it has that retro look and feel of PS1 era shock value.
@Tasuki @Nightscrawler I'm in the same boat. I've given up on pc's, I don't have the money and I can't run the latest content. So WoW coming to Xbox would save me a ton of money. I miss WoW a great, great deal!
Can't wait to play it in all it's glory at 10fps... UE5 can't save you from bad animation either. <.<
I'm just salty because I've always liked the look of this game's maps but, I've never had a machine that can run it well and I don't think that's gonna change being an S user. Game still seems janky as ever though.
@Kaloudz Err... There's quite a lot of FPS' around. Or are you talking about competitive multiplayer FPS'?
I don't think you're saying something too bold about Fortnite, there's plenty of hate to go around for that and rightfully so, that monster forever poisoned the well and we'll seemingly never recover from this seasonal BattlePass, FOMO ridden hellscape.
@PsBoxSwitchOwner Gotta have ambition to make it to that position.
I'm kinda amazed how some of you may think this invalidates his passion as a "gamer" though... I mean yeah, of course he would want to essentially "win" the console war. But no one should act like Sony wouldn't wanna do the same. You may find it scummy with good reason and that's fine but, I'm pretty sure he does actually like gaming.
So is there a good chance Outriders might get shut down soon? I tried it the other month and ended up really liking it, to the point where I said; I cannot play another second of this and get invested in something that's gonna die...
@Tasuki I like that trilogy, but they are very different games, even in structure. I desperately want Tomb Raider to go back to the 3-4 huge tombs format, heavy on navigation and puzzle solving, less cinematic.
But that don't sell copies in this day and age. I have ideas in my head how to modernize it though.
Very interesting. I actually like the visual treatment, I have a weird obsession over old visuals. The fact that you can swap between old and "new" probably won't satisfy most when both modes look dated.
Tomb Raider Anniversary is still my favourite TR game, so playing the original might be a little underwhelming for me, but a few years ago I played TR2 and was legit shocked at how enjoyable it was and not complete unplayable trash like I feared.
@Raw_Dawg It would be more fair to compare Starfield to NMS at launch. That game has had 7 years of updates from a team that can afford to dedicate its time to it.
I still don't even like the games being compared to each other to begin with. They're very different outside their basic premise. NMS is too procedural and infinite for me. I don't like that game's planets either, especially when they decided to make sure every rockface is dark and miserable after the 'Next' update.
I've kept up with what they've added over the years and it's impressive for sure, but it's still not quite what I want it to be.
While this is impressive, the only criticism I have of the physics is that the robot ragdolls are total jelly. A far cry from the heavy metal clunk of dwarven centurions and Fallout bots.
What is also special--and a testament to how well optimised it is on these consoles--is that my Series S is super quiet when playing this. I've had the machine for a while now and it makes noticeable noise when playing demanding games.
That's impressive considering how demanding it should be.
I was always expecting an aggregate of 86, but let's not pretend that MS could have used a runaway success of 90 and above. This is technically a win right now, but those 7's from the big publications are a bit of an ouch... I was always expecting Gamespot to be pedantic as always though.
@Tomato_Goose You guys shouldn't take "simulator" too literally. I mean, he's basically saying Skyrim is or was already in that role. I'm sure I've used the term to describe elements of the previous games before. TES games are structured like simulated worlds to begin with.
A targeted 60 fps just ain't it for me. I would rather have a locked 30 than a bumpy frame ride. I sincerely hope there is an option. A lot of games don't and insist that a wavering 60 is good enough.
I obviously don't know how it runs, I'm just assuming the worst.
Amazing news, I adore Titan Quest. I just hope they don't feel this temptation to give it a grimdark aesthetic, because my favourite thing about TQ is that it's not another grimdark ARPG.
Yeah what is with that wacky FOV? I assume that's Pure Xbox's choice, but I saw it in the trailers too. I know some people play FPS's that way to get an advantage competitively, but damn son, that's horrible.
On a positive note, the shooting looks ultra satisfying. More Payday with better shooting? Yeah sign me up. Gonna miss Bain though
You have to remember though, the console space has changed so dramatically. There aren't any hard set generations anymore. So I guess it's not surprising some of you are still waiting for "next gen". Defining what that means is different for everyone also
I personally don't feel like I'm still waiting for anything. I think it's been here for years already. To the point where these consoles are already feeling behind on performance, if we were to judge "next gen" purely on looks and how well games run.
I'm not someone who's always demanding innovation in design, and quite cynically I think game design already peaked long ago, sure there will be things here and there that surprise people but, I don't think we'll ever see consistent landmark changes like we did in the late 90's and 00's.
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Re: Don't Forget, It's Almost Time For Tomb Raider 1-3 Remastered On Xbox
I’ll have to wait and hear what the quality is like first, but I definitely want to support this, in hopes Aspyr can give The Last Revelation the same treatment. Wishful thinking maybe.
I really hope it’s not busted though.
Re: Rumour: Xbox Releasing Acclaimed First-Party Title On 'Competitor System' In 2024
@Phantasystar77 My knee jerk reaction is about the same as yours. As an Xbox supporter I continue to feel disenchanted by their nice guy strategy. Not at first, but lately, I’m not feeling particularly good about it. Public perception is very important and I don’t think it’s making them look as good as they think it is. I know the money they will make will always speak louder than any online bickering about who’s better, but damn, I hope it works out for them long term, cause I’m not seeing it short term.
Re: Talking Point: What Has Your Experience Been Like With Refunds On Xbox?
I’ve had a great experience personally. But I’ve only requested twice. One time because the game’s framerate was abysmal and made the game unplayable. And the other because I profoundly disliked the game, which is the one I thought they wouldn’t refund, but they did, within an hour or two. Can’t complain.
Re: BG3 Players Getting Banned On Xbox Is 'Annoying And Uncool', Says Larian Studios
Please don’t use this story to dogpile Xbox. It’s really not them being “Scummy” it’s just an unfortunate sequence of events. The auto upload shouldn’t be on by default. That’s it.
As we get more games with adult content, this is bound to happen. But whether or not you think that stuff should be on the network for everyone to see, is pretty much irrelevant, because they don’t want it there and that makes sense. I personally don’t care, but whatever.
Re: Xbox Sparks Fury Over Using AI-Generated Art To Promote Indie Games
Ok this is a bit silly. I don’t like AI generated art as much as the next person. But I’m more alarmed by the outrage from these indie game enthusiasts… I mean, chill out. That one guy sounded like the worst game activist you’d never want to meet, so he couldn’t proceed to tell you you’re a bad person for buying anything made on a AAA budget…
It shouldn’t have been done, but it doesn’t actually matter in this context. As AI grows, it’s gonna become more commonplace and most likely harder to tell what’s generated and what isn’t. And that is scary for sure, but this seems like just a bad call to me.
Re: Starfield's Recent Review Rating Has Dropped To 'Mostly Negative' On Steam
Let’s not pretend that it’s not skewed though. These negative reviews are pointed, people got daggers for Bethesda and even more so, Todd. Gamer culture is awful like that. It doesn’t really deserve that level of derision but whatever. I wonder what the reception would have been like if FO76 never happened.
Re: Poll: Three Years On, What Do You Think Of Quick Resume For Xbox Series X|S?
When I first got a Series S, I used it all the time, it was mind blowing. That was all before I realised it caused problems with achievements and sometimes caused the occasional crash. Now I don’t trust it. I only resume something I was just playing and only for a day, I’ll restart the game after that if I’m still playing it.
Re: Starfield Dev Calls Out 'Unreasonable' Criticism From Some People On Social Media
I stand by this guy entirely. He even said it far more diplomatically than I ever would. The arrogance, ignorance and childish behaviour of gamers is eternally frustrating and annoying. It’s what discourages me from even trying to get into game development.
Even some folks in these comments don’t get it and are being weird about it. But well, I guess that’s just the internet for you.
Point is, I recognise the work that went into Starfield and really like the game despite being able to point out its flaws quite clearly. Apparently that’s too hard for some? This game has irrationally become tied to the whipping post and we still got fools saying it’s not as good as a game they used to hate… That has had 7 years of updates. Superb logic there.
Re: E3 Is Officially Dead, ESA Confirms In New Statement
Pour one out. I know some game journo’s were always mad that the public viewed E3 as some big super fun time event and even attended it when they shouldn’t have, but screw them, E3 was amazing.
I loved Gamespots coverage in the early and mid 00’s. And even into the early 10’s a little bit. I had fun chatting during the livestreams, something I rarely find enjoyable at all, especially now. So many fond memories.
Super sad it had to end this way. The other showcases we get these days have never been quite the same. But it obviously makes more sense this way.
Re: SEGA Announces Five New Games, All Based On Classic Franchises
Careful SEGA… Make sure these are good and not just nostalgia bait, there was a really bad 3D Golden Axe before and 3D beat ‘em ups have a history of being real bad too. So be careful with Streets of Rage.
However, I am a humongous SEGA dork and this is music to my ears. Favourite news from the awards by far!
Re: Capcom Announces Monster Hunter Wilds, Coming To Xbox Series X|S In 2025
I’m glad Rise came out and exists because that is more of a classic MH experience. Slightly trepidatious of this seemingly more open, freeform MH. I guess I’d be sad to see classic MH go extinct, but it’s Capcom and should be in good hands, so, I’ll have faith.
Re: Xbox Would Like Game Pass On 'Every Screen' Including PlayStation & Nintendo
The whole thing is incredibly depressing for someone who has spent so much time and money on the Xbox ecosystem…
The thing that makes me mad is; Outside of a dozen games sporadically released over the last decade, what’s so special and earth shattering about PlayStation? Nothing, it’s just brand power. And the Xbox brand damage is practically irreversible at this point. I’m more than unhappy at Microsoft for letting Sony walk all over them and continuing to do so. Especially in marketing, as others have pointed out. In the UK the Xbox is a non entity, that is no exaggeration. I could easily just place all the blame on Don Mattrick for the Xbox One, but it’s not all his fault…
My PS1 and PS2 got a lot of use in their day, but my PS3 and PS4 were always secondary to me, I’ve always thought Xbox was a better place to be as a consumer. My only hope now, as things get bleaker, is that some day my library will remain intact and can be played on some other system or device. Whether that’s some other console or that streaming gets better to the point it’s indistinguishable from the real thing.
Re: Bethesda Has Started Responding To Negative User Reviews Of Starfield
@themightyant The real problem was people doing nothing but that, because they thought it was going to be NMS 2 (bear in mind people hated that at launch too)
And to be fair, Bethesda didn’t do themselves any favours in their marketing and build to launch. But I can’t imagine they’d be that stupid to think they were infallible with what they were launching with. Either they were actually that naive or just couldn’t get it to where they wanted to be, in that area anyway.
I really like the game for the record. If they had hundreds of unique dungeons, instead of what feels like a dozen, it would make just one playthrough feel way better. Emphasis on playthrough, because I feel like some people just wanted it to be another endless survival-craft game.
And also, this is something that can be remedied both officially and unofficially, in the years to come. But gamers like to hold grudges…
Re: Bethesda Has Started Responding To Negative User Reviews Of Starfield
@Xbox_Dashboard Because gamer’s are just that stupid.
Re: Blizzard President Says 'Players Have No Patience' And 'Want New Stuff Every Day'
@Tasuki It does make me mad when I see people only play one game for 10 hour stretches every day, rush to the end and then complain that there's nothing left or that they're bored of it. I'm like; You play games wrong!
Re: Microsoft Says 'No' To Horror Game That's Apparently 'Too Crazy For Xbox'
Well it's their right to. I like the style, I just think it's another one of those edgelord games made by questionable folk.
@Pimpernel Not really, more things got banned back then and Manhunt was highly controversial. It got banned in several countries. I'd argue it's quite tame by today's standards, but the context of that game was the important thing.
This game seems a little more silly by comparison so I don't know how to feel about it, it has that retro look and feel of PS1 era shock value.
Re: Blizzard On The Possibility Of WoW On Xbox: 'We Are Microsoft Now'
@Tasuki @Nightscrawler I'm in the same boat. I've given up on pc's, I don't have the money and I can't run the latest content. So WoW coming to Xbox would save me a ton of money. I miss WoW a great, great deal!
Re: Ark: Survival Ascended Is Coming To Xbox This November
Can't wait to play it in all it's glory at 10fps... UE5 can't save you from bad animation either. <.<
I'm just salty because I've always liked the look of this game's maps but, I've never had a machine that can run it well and I don't think that's gonna change being an S user. Game still seems janky as ever though.
Re: Xbox Leak Unveils New Bethesda Games Including DOOM, Dishonored, Fallout & Oblivion
@Kaloudz Err... There's quite a lot of FPS' around. Or are you talking about competitive multiplayer FPS'?
I don't think you're saying something too bold about Fortnite, there's plenty of hate to go around for that and rightfully so, that monster forever poisoned the well and we'll seemingly never recover from this seasonal BattlePass, FOMO ridden hellscape.
Re: Like A Dragon: Infinite Wealth Sets January 2024 Release Date For Xbox
Incredible as always. I adore this series! So happy it continues to stay true to itself and never compromises.
Re: Xbox's Phil Spencer Was Dead Serious About Wanting To Acquire Nintendo In 2020
@PsBoxSwitchOwner Gotta have ambition to make it to that position.
I'm kinda amazed how some of you may think this invalidates his passion as a "gamer" though... I mean yeah, of course he would want to essentially "win" the console war. But no one should act like Sony wouldn't wanna do the same. You may find it scummy with good reason and that's fine but, I'm pretty sure he does actually like gaming.
Re: Eight Games Will Leave Xbox Game Pass In Late September 2023
So is there a good chance Outriders might get shut down soon? I tried it the other month and ended up really liking it, to the point where I said; I cannot play another second of this and get invested in something that's gonna die...
Re: 'Immortals Of Aveum' Studio Announces Layoffs For 45% Of Staff
Yeah new IP, at that price point, in a year stacked as this... Not a good combination. I hate seeing new things fail though.
Re: Tomb Raider 1-3 Remastered Arrives On Xbox In February 2024
@Tasuki I like that trilogy, but they are very different games, even in structure. I desperately want Tomb Raider to go back to the 3-4 huge tombs format, heavy on navigation and puzzle solving, less cinematic.
But that don't sell copies in this day and age. I have ideas in my head how to modernize it though.
Re: Tomb Raider 1-3 Remastered Arrives On Xbox In February 2024
Very interesting. I actually like the visual treatment, I have a weird obsession over old visuals. The fact that you can swap between old and "new" probably won't satisfy most when both modes look dated.
Tomb Raider Anniversary is still my favourite TR game, so playing the original might be a little underwhelming for me, but a few years ago I played TR2 and was legit shocked at how enjoyable it was and not complete unplayable trash like I feared.
Re: No Man's Sky's 'Biggest Month In Years' Coincides With The Launch Of Starfield
@Raw_Dawg It would be more fair to compare Starfield to NMS at launch. That game has had 7 years of updates from a team that can afford to dedicate its time to it.
I still don't even like the games being compared to each other to begin with. They're very different outside their basic premise. NMS is too procedural and infinite for me. I don't like that game's planets either, especially when they decided to make sure every rockface is dark and miserable after the 'Next' update.
I've kept up with what they've added over the years and it's impressive for sure, but it's still not quite what I want it to be.
Re: Oh Look, Starfield Is Getting Review Bombed On Metacritic
See, as much as I may moan about some review publications, at least they show decorum. This is just lawless nonsense again. Humans are the dirt worst.
Re: Starfield Fan's Potato-Filled Spaceship Shows Off Impressive Physics System
While this is impressive, the only criticism I have of the physics is that the robot ragdolls are total jelly. A far cry from the heavy metal clunk of dwarven centurions and Fallout bots.
Re: Video: Digital Foundry Review Dives Deep Into The Tech Behind Starfield
What is also special--and a testament to how well optimised it is on these consoles--is that my Series S is super quiet when playing this. I've had the machine for a while now and it makes noticeable noise when playing demanding games.
That's impressive considering how demanding it should be.
Re: Starfield's Game Pass Upgrade Is Currently The Best-Selling Item On Xbox
@Dsswoosh I think it's more that those sites are ostentatious and annoying, but it might be what you said who knows lol.
Re: Roundup: Here's What The Critics Think Of Starfield So Far
I was always expecting an aggregate of 86, but let's not pretend that MS could have used a runaway success of 90 and above. This is technically a win right now, but those 7's from the big publications are a bit of an ouch... I was always expecting Gamespot to be pedantic as always though.
Re: Under The Waves Is A 'Love Letter To The Oceans', And It's Available Now On Xbox
I just want Endless Ocean 3 and I'll never get it
Re: Quake 2 Remastered Dev Wants To Work On Xbox 360 Classic 'The Darkness'
I played it all the way through at the beginning of the year, which I haven't done since it came out...
I was blown away. It may feel a little clunky now--which adds to it's uniqueness--but damn what an atmospheric and standout experience.
I'd trust Nightdive to do it justice if they ever get to and not mess with it too much, it's a really unique game. If anyone should do it, it's them.
Re: Bethesda Wants The Elder Scrolls 6 To Be 'The Ultimate Fantasy-World Simulator'
@Tomato_Goose You guys shouldn't take "simulator" too literally. I mean, he's basically saying Skyrim is or was already in that role. I'm sure I've used the term to describe elements of the previous games before. TES games are structured like simulated worlds to begin with.
Re: Two Classic Games Are Making Their Xbox Debuts With New Remasters
Nightdive continuing to keep it real.
Re: Armored Core 6 Tech Specs Detailed, And It's Great News For Xbox Series S
A targeted 60 fps just ain't it for me. I would rather have a locked 30 than a bumpy frame ride. I sincerely hope there is an option. A lot of games don't and insist that a wavering 60 is good enough.
I obviously don't know how it runs, I'm just assuming the worst.
Re: Titan Quest 2 Confirmed For Xbox Series X|S In Epic Announcement Trailer
Amazing news, I adore Titan Quest. I just hope they don't feel this temptation to give it a grimdark aesthetic, because my favourite thing about TQ is that it's not another grimdark ARPG.
Re: Video: Payday 3 Beta Gameplay Is Here Ahead Of Xbox Game Pass Launch
Yeah what is with that wacky FOV? I assume that's Pure Xbox's choice, but I saw it in the trailers too. I know some people play FPS's that way to get an advantage competitively, but damn son, that's horrible.
On a positive note, the shooting looks ultra satisfying. More Payday with better shooting? Yeah sign me up. Gonna miss Bain though
Re: Remedy Dev Reckons There's 'Nothing Surprising' About Baldur's Gate 3 Xbox Series S Debacle
Surely it can't be as much of a misery to develop for than the Xbox One... That still gets supported somehow.
Re: Talking Point: Do You Feel Like You're Still Waiting For 'Next-Gen' To Arrive?
I'm surprised this is even a question.
You have to remember though, the console space has changed so dramatically. There aren't any hard set generations anymore. So I guess it's not surprising some of you are still waiting for "next gen". Defining what that means is different for everyone also
I personally don't feel like I'm still waiting for anything. I think it's been here for years already. To the point where these consoles are already feeling behind on performance, if we were to judge "next gen" purely on looks and how well games run.
I'm not someone who's always demanding innovation in design, and quite cynically I think game design already peaked long ago, sure there will be things here and there that surprise people but, I don't think we'll ever see consistent landmark changes like we did in the late 90's and 00's.