@Dsswoosh I think it's the reverse. Doesn't matter how it's delivered if it's quality. People will pay if it's quality to them and there's no doubt of that.
Services are relatively new in gaming. For 4 gens we didn't need them and we still don't.
@iplaygamesnstuff why? how are services more important than the games themselves? Without the games or these dev studios, neither of these boxes are worth it.
@Shigurui You know I meant Playstation lol. Common now...
Yes, the console (the hardware) was profitable, but they lost money elsewhere. Playstation made no profit for Sony that gen. Hope it's clear. One more gen like that and they would've closed playstation.
Go to statista and watch the net income.
Why is it important for you that sony made profit from ps3 during that gen?
@NEStalgia Yeah. Sadly Arkane Studios games never sell even if they are good. Don't think that can be helped in any way. I don't think they wanted it to be niche though or that it was experimental. It's something in Arkane's dna that does not connect. I think it's the theme and visual designs of their games.
Yeah. I agree with you and I think you agree with me since you are mentioning Deathloop is not as big as AC or Horizon. Yeah. Bethesda was in a bad spot. After f4, I think iD carried that company with their games and engine. iD are monsters and it's my favorite studio from xbox.
We'll see with more games in the future how mtx get worse but from gears 4 to gears 5 it has happened. Not enough evidence so I can't say, but the reasoning makes sense on why they would make it worse.
@Rural-Bandit Does Netflix produce high budget movies or series like on marvel, dc, wb movies? That is all I am saying.
I don't think there is misinformation. I mentioned a couple of day 1 games that were average and you rarely see a high quality one unless it is an indie game.
Yes. It is lackluster. I don't mind it since I prefer to consume gaming traditionally as I believe that is the best way for games to remain huge production games. They didn't even needed to do it. It is an unproven experiment.
@Rural-Bandit Yes. Those third party games are on all platforms, but when a AAA game is coming to a service day 1, I can already tell they are not expecting the game to blow up so they added the game to gamepass. It is a bit different from first party, since they know from the start it will be in gp.
I do not think 40 and 50m is enough if Netflix is on 200m plus and that is not enough. Movies do not have mtx but do we really want our games filled with mtx so gp can profit? Or do we want the old way we consumed games which worked.
About Hellblade 2. The budget can be bigger, but is it that big? We will see. The game looks great graphically but I am questioning the combat and the content.
Lets see how Redfall, F motorsport, Atomic Heart, Starfield, Stalker 2, Warhammer and Plague Tale 2 (I think it will be good) end up this year.
@Rural-Bandit No. Deathloop is not day 1 gp. It came out on ps5. It made its sales. It wont be affected. I still think you don't get what I am saying. Games that have huge budgets will have problems making money back if they are day 1 on services.
No. Mlb would be mad if sony (not xbox) did not make enough money because they put their game on ps plus day 1.
I beat Horizon on the first week of release. I only saw visual bugs. Nothing game breaking. Yes. It is as big as Bioshock. Bigger actually. Bioshock has not released a game recently.
And we will see. First party wise there are not enough examples of how day 1 gp games are lower quality, but from third party is 100% clear they only put mediocre games when the publisher does not expect much from the game.
I am going to end it with this. Don't expect getting that hot and smart girl by going to MCDonalds ($15 a month).
@Rural-Bandit
Examples of Day 1 gamepass games:
DnD, Outriders, R6 extraction, The Medium, Shadow Warrior 3 (ps now), Halo Infinite, Crossfire X and I am missing a few higher budget AA and AAA titles. I seriously do not know why people forget those came out with issues day 1 on Gamepass but we pretend they are as good as a resident evil or bioshock.
I don't blame anyone. It is not something someone will be paying attention to.
Yes. Starfield is a very key game to this. I am not saying it will happen, but the logic is there and I already see a pattern.
Idk. EA and Ubisoft are the worst 2 third party publishers imo (since AB is out). Are their games day 1 in GP? Hmm. You actually made me notice that.
I never said Gamepass has bad quality titles. The day 1 AAA are the only ones I am concerned with. I think Gamepass will ruin those. Jim never said old games quality will be ruined. He said day 1 games, which is true by the games I pointed out. I even said this before he said that. Years ago.
Doom Eternal is my top 3 game of last gen, but that was not day 1 on GP.
I agree. Sony needed mp games, but they did exactly what they needed to do in that gen where everyone was leaving sp games.
Deathloop was not day 1 on gamepass. That game does not apply here.
Well. At least ps5 owners own those 2 games, but that is not my point. Those two games can sell on ps5 so whatever little they sell on xbox, they can survive with ps5 sales. If mlb was on ps plus, mlb would be getting mad at sony.
@Rural-Bandit Many? Most still want hardware. I don't know nobody that would prefer to play via cloud, so it does not matter if they could do it.
Doubt anyone is dying for paid cloud saves. I said free to play required gold and absolutely nobody from the xbox camp were talking about it as much as they are mentioning cloud saves. I don't think anyone who dodged that (not saying names) has the right to talk about something that I barely use. Used it once to download ps4 save data to the ps5 and that was it. It is not a big deal.
Yeah. I agree. Rather buy the old games.
It all depends on what 32 games. I will probably end up liking 10 games at the end of the gen and that is fine. It is the same amount ps4 had. I will feel the purchase of the console was justified.
Oh ofcourse. Ps already lost market share. Never said it wasn't going to happen.
I don't think the infrastructure is an issue. Nintendo does not have that and is currently doing better than both atm.
If those games were day 1, horizon 3, gt8 would be worse games due to lack of sales. I am glad that did not happen. I am completely fine buying games since I have done that since gaming was introduced to me.
The only thing sony should worry is if xbox starts mimicking the high budget games sony makes and are as good. Not cloud, services, being friendly to customers, but games.
Yeah. Xbox has failed in a lot of things too. That is not something special about sony. Trillion dollar companies can make mistakes predicting how gamers will consume games (cloud and services). You already saw Phil does not know which strategy is better. Sales or Subs.
@Sakisa and I find most indie games mostly 2d side scrollers or top down with little changes from those games with those genres that came years and years ago. If you look at the game awards that's what I mostly see. Maybe some interactive ones here and there.
Well you aren't fine with it because you don't play AAA games, but the ones on xbox that only play AAA games, they should have no problem having $20 skins or 20 hours grind for each character. It's what they asked for without knowing it.
Anyways. Let the games do the talking. If Starfield is a hit, I won't bring it again. I'll just say I want more games like Starfield Xbox. Bring me more!
@NEStalgia Not the same, but close. It's handicapping yourself unless you want to take a loss, which I don't mind if MS does it. I would say it's great if you're in the double A realm.
Exactly. So if they're already enough full price mtx filled games, why do we want more of those? If we don't give them enough money, they're forced to get it some other way, and those that like to buy games, which will end up being a minority, will pay double since they can't make $ from a minority.
I'm anti services. Doesn't matter from who.
Gaming was fine without them, and now we don't know what we're asking when we want games for no extra cash. I think MS will drop the day 1 in a few years due to backlash from you guys.
"Is it all an elaborate way of saying "I don't like Game Pass or PS Now/Plus because I have very specific gaming preferences and what they offer doesn't fit my preferences?"
@Sakisa That's totally fine. I have never bought anything Sony Japan unless if you want to count Bloodborne. I played Shadow of the Colossus remake for free and it bored me. I finished it, but I don't get the 90 plus score.
@Sakisa It's fine if you're bored with AAA gaming. Psychonauts 2 isn't AAA to me. It barely looks Double A to me. If they spent as much as an AAA game, then they didn't spend it well. I can buy it now but I'm not interested in it. I know it's a humorous game, has a lot of awards and it's a good game, but it's not what I look forward to.
"I think getting lots of ‘AA’ games from a subscription model like gamepass is more compelling than dropping $70 on a game"
Not if all of those AA games are mediocre and bore me. Which happens more than it doesn't. So Tunic isn't something that could have been done in earlier gens? I don't get the shallow gameplay thing. Tunic looks shallow to me. Something I could have play on an iPod 5 back in the day.
@Sakisa How did Activision, T2, EA, Capcom, SE, WB, Bethesda etc. get so big? It wasn't because of small games like Tunic.
Yes. Those AAA games are a fraction of how many games are being made, but 90% of gamers play mostly those AAA games. If Sports and Call of Duty didn't exist, consoles wouldn't reach 100m sales. Yes. It's only 3-4 franchises I just mentioned, but about 10-20m play only those games. Do we really play the 5k games that are on both consoles? We don't care about 95% of the games being made. I'm in top 1% leaderboards wise and I don't even care about those. Imagine the people under me?
I'm going to be straight honest. For me. Xbox only released Halo and Forza Horizon 5 last year. This year they are only releasing Starfield (Maybe F motorsport but idc about that one since FH5 is there).
I only care about those big games. These smaller, double A games are what some people community call "default games". Meaning they're there just to hold you until what you bought the console for.
@Sakisa That's fine, but I didn't buy a next gen console to play Tunic. Hollow Knight is in my top 10 games from last gen, but I didn't buy a ps4 to play that. Yeah it is more fun than a lot of triple A games, but the game doesn't take advantage of the $500 I spent.
Japan Studios was "shut down" because Sony now has a mainstream high end blockbuster view. They want Uncharted to be as known as Harry Potter.
@Sol4ris If $70 is too much, Sony will eventually lower it. Let the market dictate what's enough value for them. I don't think GT7 and Ratchet were worth the $70. I think HFW and Demon Souls were. That's subjective. It's not like you can't wait for a sale. I think $10 more for bigger games (HFW is better than HZD in a lot of ways) is not a greedy thing. They can hope to sell better in order to justify increasing the budget for the sequel. Doesn't always work like that.
For me, $120 for online is worse than that. Xbox slowly forcing $60 live only payers to pay $120 instead. I'm not using any services and I don't want to be forced to pay for something I will barely use.
Well, everything is connected. I gotta compare other games that cost less than $70 or are being given away for "free". That's how someone knows how much value there is for something. The campaigns for those games are fine. They aren't as bulky as a lot of SP games but are fine since they come with MP. I was talking about more the multiplayer and its mtx.
"Absolute bull crap and evidence of a total lack of objectivity..... PushSquare is your natural habitat, clearly."
Men lie, Women lie, numbers don't lie. I guess Halo and Gears monetization hasn't shown you anything.
@Sol4ris From paying $70, you get gow, hfw, returnal, demon souls remake, ratchet, hogwarts and the outlier that is gt7, but with free to play, you get fortnite with $20 skins, apex with huge grinds to get any character, rogue company is the same, brawlhalla (you can buy the all legends pack which is cheap but almost nobody does that) is the same etc. You think I haven't played these free to play? You end up paying more than $70 to not even end up with not even 25% of how much content those $70 those games offer. You think companies don't know this? It's why they do this.
I play siege pretty often, and I bought all the season characters that I was missing for $40 or something. Not bad for years of added content. If the game was free to play, that $40 would have been $100 or more than $60. Since they got the $60 from sales, they can afford to sell all the characters for $40.
I rather pay $60-70 and jump that grind because everything is included instead of paying $400 for each thing that would have been included in a $60. You do know those games survive on whales and anyone who enjoys the game and wants to enjoy it more, needs to be a whale or only play that game. This is what I hate services giving games for basically free. Doesn't matter who. PS or XB. I don't like the free to play or it's like free model these games will become.
Anyone who loves Gamepass, must love no life grinds to get anything or love MTX to skip it. It doesn't make sense logically to dislike one and not the other. Games will have to become that under a service.
Don't believe me? Look at mobile gaming. I play 0 mobile games. I don't want Console gaming to become that.
@Sol4ris I just saw that there is no $60 annual price for gold option digitally on xbox store. I won't buy xbox gold if they are pushing me to spend $60 more (which is worse than an extra $10 for game that goes on sale).
Better to pay $70 than $20 for each skin and character. Phil has convinced many people to that norm it seems. Not surprised. When you look at how popular free to play are, people love this norm lol. I don't want last of us factions to be free. Screw the reach. It will end up as a better product if it is a premium one. I do not want to download the game for free, see that every gun is $20. I rather pay $70 and get all of the content day 1. That is just me tho. Quality for less.
It is funny how people think not paying $70 gets the more when that is false.
@UltimateOtaku91 There are already next gen only games.
It's just that the jump because of diminished returns from last gen to this one isn't that big.
PS6 will mostly have cross gen games. We're hitting a gaming peak.
Clearly Sony is the only greedy one that needs to be put in place but we forget things like $120 xbox live price attempt, gears 5 and halo infinite mtx. It seems people turn a blind eye when you aren't charged $70 when it comes to high price mtx. Did we forget freetoplay required live before?
Anyways, Xbox needs to do a showcase with a lot of gameplay for their upcoming games. That's the only way Sony will be put in place. I don't think $70 price tags will change since third party are joining (xbox will eventually join too). Besides $70, I don't see what type of greediness people want Sony to change.
@Savage_Joe I don't think the first sonic movie was great. It was decent/solid.
Same for the witcher 2 seasons. This one is bloated with information and it has a rushed pacing. Uncharted was solid too. Played all of those games.
Yes. Kojima and Neil are directors I remember that did respond to some of the hate. At least the Neil one was justified. It specifically targets people who still think Tlou2 is an sjw and lgbt focused game, which the only thing I can recall from that claim is the bigot sandwitch comment. The guys that think the game is that will probably look like that old guy from the game hehe. I think he might respond if people don't like the show since that happened. I think Cory is more opinionated on twitter though.
@mousieone I could agree with EA, but 2k has made good single player games. They just haven't made much, but surely they can produce a high quality one.
@lolwhatno Insult is a strong word. More like most are disappointed. Idk why anyone has to insult Sony's acquisitions. Besides Bungie, they all made sense.
A lot people stuck with xbox because of Gamepass. Crazy. It's not even about games anymore it seems.
@Bleachedsmiles I understand Bethesda would've closed, but EA or T2 could have bought them and everyone would still had their games. The games are exclusive so it was their decision.
Honestly, I calmed down from the AB acquisition. Mostly because I don't think they can get another one after AB. I didn't mind it because I don't care about AB. Cared for Bethesda (mostly iD). It's a prick move to do. Exclusives drive consoles but they should come from your own and not be stolen away. I don't want xbox to lose a publisher.
If they acquire a publisher tho, I would suggest Capcom. Square seems to need help though. So I am not sure. I don't want a publisher though.
I hope it's Kojima (although this would've happened already so I DOUBT IT) and Deviation Games. Does Sony really need 30 studios? I think 20 base studios is enough. Just make them bigger (300 plus devs). Platinum Games might need help. Everything else should be parternships. I think 3-4 AAA games per year should be enough to always need a PS console.
E3 is now split between Gamescom Live, Thegameawards, and the big 3 showcases.
I think it's a trade off. You'll never see a showcase be as good since showcases are far in between, but we'll get more from time to time and not crammed into 2-3 days.
Probably. Jumping from 5 to 30 plus studios in 4 years is a lot of management. Not to mention they're all getting bigger. Sony is acquiring people that they helped built or have worked with multiple times (besides Bungie). Same thing with Nintendo. They have more quality assurance and are efficient.
This year showcase will tell us how much do we need to wait.
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Re: Sony And Nintendo Follow Xbox's Lead In Changing Subscription Renewals
@Dsswoosh I think it's the reverse. Doesn't matter how it's delivered if it's quality. People will pay if it's quality to them and there's no doubt of that.
Services are relatively new in gaming. For 4 gens we didn't need them and we still don't.
Re: Poll: When Do You Think Phil Spencer Will Retire From Xbox?
I think when Xbox has a consistent flow of great games, I think that will be the time.
I would say 2026-2027. The guy must be tired as hell.
Re: Sony And Nintendo Follow Xbox's Lead In Changing Subscription Renewals
@iplaygamesnstuff why? how are services more important than the games themselves? Without the games or these dev studios, neither of these boxes are worth it.
Re: Sony And Nintendo Follow Xbox's Lead In Changing Subscription Renewals
So that change Nintendo made indicates they're copying Gamepass?
What?
Re: Dead Island 2 Reportedly Set For Re-Reveal This Summer
DL and B4B didn't quite hit.
Unless it is going to be much much better than those, don't bother.
RE and TLOU are carrying the zombie games.
Re: Infamous PS4 Video Wasn't 'Necessarily' Meant To Hurt Xbox, Suggests Ex-Sony Boss
@Shigurui I never said consoles. I said ps3 as in general. Stop blaming me for your mistakes.
Ps3 was a complete loss...
Nvm dude. Go on with your day.
Re: Major Back 4 Blood Expansion Arrives Today With All-New PvE Levels
When a 2008 is better than a 2021 game lol. From the "same developer".
Re: Microsoft Reportedly Working On Smaller, More Power Efficient Series X Chip
Great. I'll get this one when Starfield is a hit.
Re: Infamous PS4 Video Wasn't 'Necessarily' Meant To Hurt Xbox, Suggests Ex-Sony Boss
@Shigurui You know I meant Playstation lol. Common now...
Yes, the console (the hardware) was profitable, but they lost money elsewhere. Playstation made no profit for Sony that gen. Hope it's clear. One more gen like that and they would've closed playstation.
Go to statista and watch the net income.
Why is it important for you that sony made profit from ps3 during that gen?
Re: Infamous PS4 Video Wasn't 'Necessarily' Meant To Hurt Xbox, Suggests Ex-Sony Boss
@Shigurui but... you're wrong.
Playstation lost money during that generation. They were selling buildings and downsizing by the end of it.
Re: Infamous PS4 Video Wasn't 'Necessarily' Meant To Hurt Xbox, Suggests Ex-Sony Boss
@Shigurui Um. Who cares? They made money in general through sales and gold.
Sony made nothing through anywhere.
Stop capping.
Re: Infamous PS4 Video Wasn't 'Necessarily' Meant To Hurt Xbox, Suggests Ex-Sony Boss
@Shigurui Um. 360 made more money. Ps3 did not.
I haven't mention anything about the games.
Re: Infamous PS4 Video Wasn't 'Necessarily' Meant To Hurt Xbox, Suggests Ex-Sony Boss
Lies. They wanted to bury xbox after making 0 money during the ps3 gen.
Re: Activision Blizzard Reveals 1,100 QA Testers Are Getting Full-Time Jobs
@PhileasFragg hahaha yeah. I have not seen that but that show must make someone feel uncomfortable.
Great for the workers btw.
Re: Rogue Legacy 2 Arrives As An Xbox Console Exclusive This Month
Reminds of Hollow Knight with fantasy theme.
Re: Rumour: Microsoft Paid For 'Chip Priority' To Increase Xbox Series X|S Stock
@Rural-Bandit Mmm. I still prefer non open world games having length too. Like tlou 2 or gow. High budget does not always mean open world.
I could see some GaaS from sony being on ps plus. Tlou 2 won't be one. Maybe that Haven or the rumored twisted metal will be.
Hoping for the best for bethesda.
Re: Rumour: Microsoft Paid For 'Chip Priority' To Increase Xbox Series X|S Stock
@NEStalgia Yeah. Sadly Arkane Studios games never sell even if they are good. Don't think that can be helped in any way. I don't think they wanted it to be niche though or that it was experimental. It's something in Arkane's dna that does not connect. I think it's the theme and visual designs of their games.
Yeah. I agree with you and I think you agree with me since you are mentioning Deathloop is not as big as AC or Horizon. Yeah. Bethesda was in a bad spot. After f4, I think iD carried that company with their games and engine. iD are monsters and it's my favorite studio from xbox.
We'll see with more games in the future how mtx get worse but from gears 4 to gears 5 it has happened. Not enough evidence so I can't say, but the reasoning makes sense on why they would make it worse.
Re: Rumour: Microsoft Paid For 'Chip Priority' To Increase Xbox Series X|S Stock
@Rural-Bandit Does Netflix produce high budget movies or series like on marvel, dc, wb movies? That is all I am saying.
I don't think there is misinformation. I mentioned a couple of day 1 games that were average and you rarely see a high quality one unless it is an indie game.
Yes. It is lackluster. I don't mind it since I prefer to consume gaming traditionally as I believe that is the best way for games to remain huge production games. They didn't even needed to do it. It is an unproven experiment.
Re: Rumour: Microsoft Paid For 'Chip Priority' To Increase Xbox Series X|S Stock
@Rural-Bandit Yes. Those third party games are on all platforms, but when a AAA game is coming to a service day 1, I can already tell they are not expecting the game to blow up so they added the game to gamepass. It is a bit different from first party, since they know from the start it will be in gp.
I do not think 40 and 50m is enough if Netflix is on 200m plus and that is not enough. Movies do not have mtx but do we really want our games filled with mtx so gp can profit? Or do we want the old way we consumed games which worked.
About Hellblade 2. The budget can be bigger, but is it that big? We will see. The game looks great graphically but I am questioning the combat and the content.
Lets see how Redfall, F motorsport, Atomic Heart, Starfield, Stalker 2, Warhammer and Plague Tale 2 (I think it will be good) end up this year.
Re: Rumour: Microsoft Paid For 'Chip Priority' To Increase Xbox Series X|S Stock
@Rural-Bandit No. Deathloop is not day 1 gp. It came out on ps5. It made its sales. It wont be affected. I still think you don't get what I am saying. Games that have huge budgets will have problems making money back if they are day 1 on services.
No. Mlb would be mad if sony (not xbox) did not make enough money because they put their game on ps plus day 1.
I beat Horizon on the first week of release. I only saw visual bugs. Nothing game breaking. Yes. It is as big as Bioshock. Bigger actually. Bioshock has not released a game recently.
And we will see. First party wise there are not enough examples of how day 1 gp games are lower quality, but from third party is 100% clear they only put mediocre games when the publisher does not expect much from the game.
I am going to end it with this. Don't expect getting that hot and smart girl by going to MCDonalds ($15 a month).
Re: Rumour: Microsoft Paid For 'Chip Priority' To Increase Xbox Series X|S Stock
@Rural-Bandit
Examples of Day 1 gamepass games:
DnD, Outriders, R6 extraction, The Medium, Shadow Warrior 3 (ps now), Halo Infinite, Crossfire X and I am missing a few higher budget AA and AAA titles. I seriously do not know why people forget those came out with issues day 1 on Gamepass but we pretend they are as good as a resident evil or bioshock.
I don't blame anyone. It is not something someone will be paying attention to.
Yes. Starfield is a very key game to this. I am not saying it will happen, but the logic is there and I already see a pattern.
Idk. EA and Ubisoft are the worst 2 third party publishers imo (since AB is out). Are their games day 1 in GP? Hmm. You actually made me notice that.
I never said Gamepass has bad quality titles. The day 1 AAA are the only ones I am concerned with. I think Gamepass will ruin those. Jim never said old games quality will be ruined. He said day 1 games, which is true by the games I pointed out. I even said this before he said that. Years ago.
Doom Eternal is my top 3 game of last gen, but that was not day 1 on GP.
I agree. Sony needed mp games, but they did exactly what they needed to do in that gen where everyone was leaving sp games.
Deathloop was not day 1 on gamepass. That game does not apply here.
Well. At least ps5 owners own those 2 games, but that is not my point. Those two games can sell on ps5 so whatever little they sell on xbox, they can survive with ps5 sales. If mlb was on ps plus, mlb would be getting mad at sony.
Re: Rumour: Microsoft Paid For 'Chip Priority' To Increase Xbox Series X|S Stock
@Rural-Bandit
Idk why you mention mlb, re7 or deathloop.
Those are not the examples I am talking about.
1. It has to be day 1 on Gamepass and only on consoles that have gamepass.
2. It has to be high budget (100m plus).
I am not worried about double A or indies as I mentioned above.
No. It will always be about the games. Whoever makes the next fortnite wins.
Re: Rumour: Microsoft Paid For 'Chip Priority' To Increase Xbox Series X|S Stock
@Rural-Bandit Many? Most still want hardware. I don't know nobody that would prefer to play via cloud, so it does not matter if they could do it.
Doubt anyone is dying for paid cloud saves. I said free to play required gold and absolutely nobody from the xbox camp were talking about it as much as they are mentioning cloud saves. I don't think anyone who dodged that (not saying names) has the right to talk about something that I barely use. Used it once to download ps4 save data to the ps5 and that was it. It is not a big deal.
Yeah. I agree. Rather buy the old games.
It all depends on what 32 games. I will probably end up liking 10 games at the end of the gen and that is fine. It is the same amount ps4 had. I will feel the purchase of the console was justified.
Oh ofcourse. Ps already lost market share. Never said it wasn't going to happen.
I don't think the infrastructure is an issue. Nintendo does not have that and is currently doing better than both atm.
If those games were day 1, horizon 3, gt8 would be worse games due to lack of sales. I am glad that did not happen. I am completely fine buying games since I have done that since gaming was introduced to me.
The only thing sony should worry is if xbox starts mimicking the high budget games sony makes and are as good. Not cloud, services, being friendly to customers, but games.
Yeah. Xbox has failed in a lot of things too. That is not something special about sony. Trillion dollar companies can make mistakes predicting how gamers will consume games (cloud and services). You already saw Phil does not know which strategy is better. Sales or Subs.
Re: Video: Bethesda Introduces Us To Starfield's Robot Companion, VASCO
Looks great and something Bethesda would design.
Re: Rumour: Microsoft Paid For 'Chip Priority' To Increase Xbox Series X|S Stock
@Sakisa and I find most indie games mostly 2d side scrollers or top down with little changes from those games with those genres that came years and years ago. If you look at the game awards that's what I mostly see. Maybe some interactive ones here and there.
Well you aren't fine with it because you don't play AAA games, but the ones on xbox that only play AAA games, they should have no problem having $20 skins or 20 hours grind for each character. It's what they asked for without knowing it.
Anyways. Let the games do the talking. If Starfield is a hit, I won't bring it again. I'll just say I want more games like Starfield Xbox. Bring me more!
Re: Rumour: Microsoft Paid For 'Chip Priority' To Increase Xbox Series X|S Stock
@NEStalgia Not the same, but close. It's handicapping yourself unless you want to take a loss, which I don't mind if MS does it. I would say it's great if you're in the double A realm.
Exactly. So if they're already enough full price mtx filled games, why do we want more of those? If we don't give them enough money, they're forced to get it some other way, and those that like to buy games, which will end up being a minority, will pay double since they can't make $ from a minority.
I'm anti services. Doesn't matter from who.
Gaming was fine without them, and now we don't know what we're asking when we want games for no extra cash. I think MS will drop the day 1 in a few years due to backlash from you guys.
"Is it all an elaborate way of saying "I don't like Game Pass or PS Now/Plus because I have very specific gaming preferences and what they offer doesn't fit my preferences?"
Exactly my point.
Re: Rumour: Microsoft Paid For 'Chip Priority' To Increase Xbox Series X|S Stock
@Sakisa That's totally fine. I have never bought anything Sony Japan unless if you want to count Bloodborne. I played Shadow of the Colossus remake for free and it bored me. I finished it, but I don't get the 90 plus score.
Re: Rumour: Microsoft Paid For 'Chip Priority' To Increase Xbox Series X|S Stock
@Sakisa It's fine if you're bored with AAA gaming. Psychonauts 2 isn't AAA to me. It barely looks Double A to me. If they spent as much as an AAA game, then they didn't spend it well. I can buy it now but I'm not interested in it. I know it's a humorous game, has a lot of awards and it's a good game, but it's not what I look forward to.
"I think getting lots of ‘AA’ games from a subscription model like gamepass is more compelling than dropping $70 on a game"
Not if all of those AA games are mediocre and bore me. Which happens more than it doesn't. So Tunic isn't something that could have been done in earlier gens? I don't get the shallow gameplay thing. Tunic looks shallow to me. Something I could have play on an iPod 5 back in the day.
Re: Rumour: Microsoft Paid For 'Chip Priority' To Increase Xbox Series X|S Stock
@Sakisa How did Activision, T2, EA, Capcom, SE, WB, Bethesda etc. get so big? It wasn't because of small games like Tunic.
Yes. Those AAA games are a fraction of how many games are being made, but 90% of gamers play mostly those AAA games. If Sports and Call of Duty didn't exist, consoles wouldn't reach 100m sales. Yes. It's only 3-4 franchises I just mentioned, but about 10-20m play only those games. Do we really play the 5k games that are on both consoles? We don't care about 95% of the games being made. I'm in top 1% leaderboards wise and I don't even care about those. Imagine the people under me?
Re: Rumour: Microsoft Paid For 'Chip Priority' To Increase Xbox Series X|S Stock
@Sakisa
I'm going to be straight honest. For me. Xbox only released Halo and Forza Horizon 5 last year. This year they are only releasing Starfield (Maybe F motorsport but idc about that one since FH5 is there).
I only care about those big games. These smaller, double A games are what some people community call "default games". Meaning they're there just to hold you until what you bought the console for.
Re: Rumour: Microsoft Paid For 'Chip Priority' To Increase Xbox Series X|S Stock
@Sakisa That's fine, but I didn't buy a next gen console to play Tunic. Hollow Knight is in my top 10 games from last gen, but I didn't buy a ps4 to play that. Yeah it is more fun than a lot of triple A games, but the game doesn't take advantage of the $500 I spent.
Japan Studios was "shut down" because Sony now has a mainstream high end blockbuster view. They want Uncharted to be as known as Harry Potter.
Re: Rumour: Microsoft Paid For 'Chip Priority' To Increase Xbox Series X|S Stock
@Sol4ris If $70 is too much, Sony will eventually lower it. Let the market dictate what's enough value for them. I don't think GT7 and Ratchet were worth the $70. I think HFW and Demon Souls were. That's subjective. It's not like you can't wait for a sale. I think $10 more for bigger games (HFW is better than HZD in a lot of ways) is not a greedy thing. They can hope to sell better in order to justify increasing the budget for the sequel. Doesn't always work like that.
For me, $120 for online is worse than that. Xbox slowly forcing $60 live only payers to pay $120 instead. I'm not using any services and I don't want to be forced to pay for something I will barely use.
Well, everything is connected. I gotta compare other games that cost less than $70 or are being given away for "free". That's how someone knows how much value there is for something. The campaigns for those games are fine. They aren't as bulky as a lot of SP games but are fine since they come with MP. I was talking about more the multiplayer and its mtx.
"Absolute bull crap and evidence of a total lack of objectivity..... PushSquare is your natural habitat, clearly."
Men lie, Women lie, numbers don't lie. I guess Halo and Gears monetization hasn't shown you anything.
Re: Rumour: Microsoft Paid For 'Chip Priority' To Increase Xbox Series X|S Stock
@Sakisa
What? You're going to say Rogue Company is more fun and high end mechanically compared to Red dead 2? I played both.
Is Apex as complete as Titanfall 2? I had more fun with TF2 and it also looks and feels better than Apex.
Re: Rumour: Microsoft Paid For 'Chip Priority' To Increase Xbox Series X|S Stock
@Sol4ris From paying $70, you get gow, hfw, returnal, demon souls remake, ratchet, hogwarts and the outlier that is gt7, but with free to play, you get fortnite with $20 skins, apex with huge grinds to get any character, rogue company is the same, brawlhalla (you can buy the all legends pack which is cheap but almost nobody does that) is the same etc. You think I haven't played these free to play? You end up paying more than $70 to not even end up with not even 25% of how much content those $70 those games offer. You think companies don't know this? It's why they do this.
I play siege pretty often, and I bought all the season characters that I was missing for $40 or something. Not bad for years of added content. If the game was free to play, that $40 would have been $100 or more than $60. Since they got the $60 from sales, they can afford to sell all the characters for $40.
I rather pay $60-70 and jump that grind because everything is included instead of paying $400 for each thing that would have been included in a $60. You do know those games survive on whales and anyone who enjoys the game and wants to enjoy it more, needs to be a whale or only play that game. This is what I hate services giving games for basically free. Doesn't matter who. PS or XB. I don't like the free to play or it's like free model these games will become.
Anyone who loves Gamepass, must love no life grinds to get anything or love MTX to skip it. It doesn't make sense logically to dislike one and not the other. Games will have to become that under a service.
Don't believe me? Look at mobile gaming. I play 0 mobile games. I don't want Console gaming to become that.
Re: Rumour: Microsoft Paid For 'Chip Priority' To Increase Xbox Series X|S Stock
@Blessed_Koz Then why are you complaining about $70 when you are spending $25 for skins or one single character?
Yeah. You can get them for free by playing anormal hours of play.
Rather pay $70 and get all of them.
Also note that apex was a barebones game when it came out compared to $60-70 games.
So I prefer to pay $70.
Re: Rumour: Microsoft Paid For 'Chip Priority' To Increase Xbox Series X|S Stock
@Sol4ris I just saw that there is no $60 annual price for gold option digitally on xbox store. I won't buy xbox gold if they are pushing me to spend $60 more (which is worse than an extra $10 for game that goes on sale).
Better to pay $70 than $20 for each skin and character. Phil has convinced many people to that norm it seems. Not surprised. When you look at how popular free to play are, people love this norm lol. I don't want last of us factions to be free. Screw the reach. It will end up as a better product if it is a premium one. I do not want to download the game for free, see that every gun is $20. I rather pay $70 and get all of the content day 1. That is just me tho. Quality for less.
It is funny how people think not paying $70 gets the more when that is false.
Re: Xbox Series X|S Outsold PS5 And Nintendo Switch In The UK Last Month
What's your superpower?
Re: Rumour: Microsoft Paid For 'Chip Priority' To Increase Xbox Series X|S Stock
@themightyant So far Series sales are very very close to PS5 sales. That chip shortage might the best thing that happened to them.
I was expecting PS5 to be 2-3:1 as of today.
With Bethesda, I knew 2:1 at the end of the gen wasn't going to happen. With Activision I am now 100% PS5 won't dominate like ps4.
Re: Rumour: Microsoft Paid For 'Chip Priority' To Increase Xbox Series X|S Stock
@UltimateOtaku91 There are already next gen only games.
It's just that the jump because of diminished returns from last gen to this one isn't that big.
PS6 will mostly have cross gen games. We're hitting a gaming peak.
Re: Rumour: Microsoft Paid For 'Chip Priority' To Increase Xbox Series X|S Stock
Ah yes.
Love how humans are so self aware.
Clearly Sony is the only greedy one that needs to be put in place but we forget things like $120 xbox live price attempt, gears 5 and halo infinite mtx. It seems people turn a blind eye when you aren't charged $70 when it comes to high price mtx. Did we forget freetoplay required live before?
Anyways, Xbox needs to do a showcase with a lot of gameplay for their upcoming games. That's the only way Sony will be put in place. I don't think $70 price tags will change since third party are joining (xbox will eventually join too). Besides $70, I don't see what type of greediness people want Sony to change.
Re: Halo TV Star Calls Out 'Fans' Who 'Hated The Show Before They Saw It'
@Savage_Joe I don't think the first sonic movie was great. It was decent/solid.
Same for the witcher 2 seasons. This one is bloated with information and it has a rushed pacing. Uncharted was solid too. Played all of those games.
Yes. Kojima and Neil are directors I remember that did respond to some of the hate. At least the Neil one was justified. It specifically targets people who still think Tlou2 is an sjw and lgbt focused game, which the only thing I can recall from that claim is the bigot sandwitch comment. The guys that think the game is that will probably look like that old guy from the game hehe. I think he might respond if people don't like the show since that happened. I think Cory is more opinionated on twitter though.
Re: Halo TV Star Calls Out 'Fans' Who 'Hated The Show Before They Saw It'
@Vepra Right! Forgot that one.
Re: Halo TV Star Calls Out 'Fans' Who 'Hated The Show Before They Saw It'
@Savage_Joe I won't be surprised if Neil Druckmann does it too with its hbo tlou series.
None of these gaming movies/tv are great. A very selected few are just decent at best.
Arcane was awesome but it's nothing like the game.
Re: Bethesda Says 'Players Are Going To Lose Their Minds' Over Starfield
@Resi32 Um. Nobody said wolverine is 2023. Not even sony or insomniac.
Re: Bethesda Says 'Players Are Going To Lose Their Minds' Over Starfield
@Resi32 Who said wolverine?
Re: Rumour: PlayStation Could Have A 'Really Big' Acquisition To Announce Soon
@mousieone I could agree with EA, but 2k has made good single player games. They just haven't made much, but surely they can produce a high quality one.
Re: Rumour: PlayStation Could Have A 'Really Big' Acquisition To Announce Soon
@lolwhatno Insult is a strong word. More like most are disappointed. Idk why anyone has to insult Sony's acquisitions. Besides Bungie, they all made sense.
A lot people stuck with xbox because of Gamepass. Crazy. It's not even about games anymore it seems.
@Bleachedsmiles I understand Bethesda would've closed, but EA or T2 could have bought them and everyone would still had their games. The games are exclusive so it was their decision.
and I've seen many point out on one.
Re: Rumour: PlayStation Could Have A 'Really Big' Acquisition To Announce Soon
Daaaamn this comment section is 1/4 deleted.
Honestly, I calmed down from the AB acquisition. Mostly because I don't think they can get another one after AB. I didn't mind it because I don't care about AB. Cared for Bethesda (mostly iD). It's a prick move to do. Exclusives drive consoles but they should come from your own and not be stolen away. I don't want xbox to lose a publisher.
If they acquire a publisher tho, I would suggest Capcom. Square seems to need help though. So I am not sure. I don't want a publisher though.
I hope it's Kojima (although this would've happened already so I DOUBT IT) and Deviation Games. Does Sony really need 30 studios? I think 20 base studios is enough. Just make them bigger (300 plus devs). Platinum Games might need help. Everything else should be parternships. I think 3-4 AAA games per year should be enough to always need a PS console.
Re: It's Official, E3 2022 Has Been Cancelled
E3 is now split between Gamescom Live, Thegameawards, and the big 3 showcases.
I think it's a trade off. You'll never see a showcase be as good since showcases are far in between, but we'll get more from time to time and not crammed into 2-3 days.
Re: Damning Report Takes Aim At Xbox's State Of Decay 3 Studio
@Areus
Probably. Jumping from 5 to 30 plus studios in 4 years is a lot of management. Not to mention they're all getting bigger. Sony is acquiring people that they helped built or have worked with multiple times (besides Bungie). Same thing with Nintendo. They have more quality assurance and are efficient.
This year showcase will tell us how much do we need to wait.