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@Tharsman I'm now buying the game on who owns the studio that made that game lol. I bought Dishonored and Fallout 4 (liked them both) and have Dishonored 2, but I'm buying PS Bethesda released games, Hellblade, Outerworld etc. on xbox

Reason: maybe backwards compatible with PS6 is affected... or they run better on xbox intentionally or we get price cuts etc.

@dem1stav Gamepass on Playstation won't happen. That'll be horrible. Xbox will go third party and Sony will have no competition. It would be hard too because unless they develop games for ps5, the Gamepass thing would be all cloud. Really doubt it. Sony would probably come up with their own service first.

Well EA doesn't own a platform/console and EA makes games for PS anyways.

Whoever wants a console or a service to have everything is asking for trouble.

@dem1stav Ok, but Gamepass is not on Playstation. Or... Call of duty is on Playstation. However you want to look at it. That library needs to have games that aren't on other platforms.

@Lavalera People who buy the plastic boxes are the ones that will be buying the pieces of digital subscriptions.

Can you imagine Sony now buys Capcom or Square and they're all PS exclusives?

Why play nice?

@Dezzy70

It's Xbox + Bethesda vs Sony's WWS minus Bungie again.

PS def has the lead since last year I'd say they tied, but on launch PS crushed them and now 2022 will crush them again and even more if Starfield gets delayed. They needed to catch up on console sales. Why play nice? They're not even tied atm.

Sony should buy Capcom to trade their games for Bethesda games and it's the OG Xbox 2018 studios vs... lol.

100 Horse Armor skins

@Dezzy70 I hope they mean mobile games coming to PS5 LMAO.

I actually wanted them to be exclusive. Phil! Take away my games I don't care about so Sony makes more of what I want to play.

I bet next generation they will all be exclusive.

@Kohaku Suuure. Tell that to Bethesda games.

There's probably something we don't know. Either Sony making a deal for Bungie's next game to be on xbox, the FTC or something.

@dem1stav Ain't nobody spending $500 plus xbox live + gamepass over just paying $70 on ps5. For the people that only play that game I mean.

@Dezzy70 Well there's still Bethesda and the other studios from Activision. Yeah there's more pressure, but that call of duty man. I know they must be feeling more calm.

@blinx01 Call of Duty was the only thing that was going to make PS5 shake.

Maybe it has to do something with the FTC? Oh. Wait. Then I guess making COD not annually will benefit them because those studios can make games exclusive to Xbox.

@SecretAgentCat You want a Monopoly sir?

Wow. That sucks because I wanted Playstation to be pressured. God dammit.

@LtSarge I disagree. I don't think Gamepass is why they got more studios. I think they would have acquired them anyways because they needed some. Playground was organic too. Undead Labs too.

Nah, we can't tell, but I seriously doubt Gamepass is the reason.

I just watched Nintendo games sales. I think Xbox would prefer to have those numbers than have a bleeding money service lol. Plus the profit of those games that don't cost as much? OOOFFF
Even Playstation is trying to get there with horizon and god of war but they won't.

I think Xbox can drop the day 1 Gamepass thing. They have Call of Duty now that sells 20m every year.

@LtSarge

My bad. I thought you meant variety as in 2d, top down, arcade games. Stuff like that. Then I agree.

"Games like Fable, Perfect Dark etc. wouldn't be in the works right now if it weren't for Game Pass"

• why tho? FPS and third person RPG can sell millions in this modern gaming market. You don't think Sony is not making a shooter with Deviation, Bungie (it's a hero shooter), Firewalk and Guerrilla studios? Maybe Bluepoint is making a third person RPG like Fable. Capcom is making Dragons Dogma 2 and Bethesda was going to make Elder Scrolls 6 so idk why Fable feels far fetched.

Sony made Ratchet, why would Crash and Spyro be far fetched?

Damn that potential list for a year is enormous, but I doubt dev cycles align like that. Plus we don't know if all 12 would be good. Gamepass or not, I don't want to waste my time or $15 ($60 in my case) for a game I won't enjoy.

@LtSarge

Well they still have to make games to maintain subs though. Xbox can't be making niche or average games. Gamepass shouldn't be the excuse for that. It gives them the risk-free, I get it, but I still think Xbox will focus on mass appeal titles.

I can agree that Sony's new IPs won't be something out of the norm. It will be unique in some ways, but I don't think they'll make something weird like Death Stranding, which didn't sell that well. Sony needs RPG, Horror, Fighting and FPS because those pull numbers, but genres like 2D platformer, sims, rts, strategy, arcade are just too small these days. I wouldn't play those personally.

I think having the mentality of not worrying a game doesn't need to sell as much creates this lazyness. I hope that's not the case. I disagree that it shouldn't be that way. Devs need to feel they need to hit off out the park.

Eh, Perfect Dark is a FPS and Fable a third person action adventure game. I don't see what's the difference there from what Sony is focusing on.
There are games like Stray, Sifu, Little Devil Inside, Kena so I don't get that point either.

edit: Oh and VR games.

@Dezzy70 Just look at Halo Infinite? Boy look at Anthem, F76, BF2042, Lawbreakers, Avengers, Battlefront 2...

Somebody needs to up the bar in multiplayer games and I hope Sony and Microsoft are the ones because I'm getting tired of those games...

oh look.. Siege, Destiny, Division, No Man Sky came to mind with bad launches too.

Multiplayer games need a new bar to reach. This is getting stupid.

and Free to Play games dodge the bullet because they're free, but don't say most of them have released with a lot of content lol.

@LtSarge

Oh, because AAA games sell better on Playstation (especially Japanese published games) and Playstation could outbid them. Yes, they can in this case because it also ruins their next sequels if this one doesn't sell well, even if they got a lot of money from MS. Both Sony having 2:1 ratio with PS4/PS5 and xbox users not buying games because they're getting used to Gamepass, gives a leverage for timed exclusives for PS5, even if MS had more money. Why would MS take a loss for a game that won't sell as good. Ask Tomb Raider or look at the first comment.

They need variety, of course I agree with you, but COD is so damn big that I don't think they'll release a COD every 3-4 years. Maybe they will make Crash, Spyro and Tony Hawk, but people were saying stuff like Guitar Hero and Pitfall. What???! It's like saying Sony will bring back Jak n daxter and Sly Cooper and Nintendo is bringing Star Fox and F-Zero. Not happening brother.

Why would MS drop COD annual release? Lets be honest. I see a lot of wishful thinking with revival of IPs, but is Xbox really dropping the annual COD that will make Gamepass potentially grow to 40m eventually? They're dropping that for... Crash that didn't sell? Spyro is probably a bit less popular so that would sell about the same. Tony Hawk? Idk.

I get these indies devs have a worry about getting skipped.

Eh. I don't like that vision.

It should be I want Starfield to be the best Todd Howard game or the most finished Todd Howard game.

This just means he wants people to boot it up but not play it more than one hour. User booting up a game it's an almost useless metric.

They should've said concurrent players peak for forza and halo last month.

@Dezzy70 Next year is the year people are saying xbox will come swinging.

Do we expect gameplay from Hellblade 2 (more), Avowed, Fable, Perfect Dark, Gears 6, Forza Motorsport, Everwild, State of Decay 3 and Compulsion's game this e3 2022?

It's been 5 years right? From those, which ones should we expect?

I think InXile is still too soon.

Redfall and Starfield are 100% being there, but what else?

Machine games?

It looks really really good.

I just wished it wasn't a tech demo and they would've shown combat.

He seems desperate lol.

"Buy me buy me buy me!"

What a "bold" prediction.

@Medic_Alert I only care about the Japanese publishers. I don't think Xbox will manage them well.

Yeah. I want competition. It will force Sony and Xbox to make new Ips to fight the Ips the other team has. For example, Deviation is now working on a single player with multiplayer FPS to go against COD. Firewalk is also another shooter studio partnered with Sony and now they have Bungie. They should get Crytek and that's enough shooty shooty studios.

Sony still needs a couple of fighting and RPG studios tho, and it's why I think Capcom is the perfect westernized but still global fit

@Medic_Alert Some people just want to have a PS and that's it. Either way, Since Bethesda, Sony has been making a lot of moves and now they'll make even more with Activision.

We'll see, but I hope people keep the same energy when Capcom gets bought.

@Krzzystuff Why do people keep saying PS5 is selling at a lost? Sony already announced ps5 disc version (not digital) was no longer selling at a loss. They're actually making money for each console sold, even if it's $5. Xbox is the one that hasn't mentioned that I think.

@Richnj Playstation guys have never felt how it's like to be in last place, and that scares them off lmao.

@Medic_Alert I don't like PC (plus it's expensive) and I would never stream games. Ever. Streaming won't become a viable almost as good as the console until years and years so this affects people NOW.

So is the Xbox ecosystem really that open? I'm a console only gamer and even tho I have no problem buying two consoles, it may force others that can only afford one, to buy another. The point is, that it has an effect, even if they're options people don't like in the first place.

But I think the real issue is people crying that they have to buy two consoles now lol. I don't believe for a second that if you can get a ps5, you can't save up for an xbox a few years later. Buy games on sale so they can save up.

@BAMozzy Man
Screw Destin. I hate people that aren't man enough to admit when they're wrong. Haven't seen the video, but in the past he has been a joke. I like the Ryan guy or whatever he's name is better.

@Bleachedsmiles Exactly. If Xbox didn't buy Bethesda, Sony was going to bury them yet again. Sony's biggest studios numbers are making 2-3 projects now, plus timed exclusives (since Gamepass helps third party get convinced to make timed exclusives with Sony), and maybe a few studios bought here and there, Sony would've buried Xbox to 50m sales again. I mean look at the 2018 studios Xbox bought. 4 Years later and still we're not seeing the fruits of those.

He's on point on what MS wants to do, but it won't work at all.
PlayStation and Nintendo have so much good will with its fans that people will keep supporting them.

Anyone who thinks Phil Spencer doesn't want to wall PlayStation and Nintendo in their niche wall of only exclusives should really reconsider their thoughts. Jimbo is a big fat liar, so is Phil Spencer and a lot of people think Xbox is really pro consumer when they're not. He looks like a nice guy. Remember where he works at.

Is surprising how much defense for this there is from both sides, but we know both communities blindly defend both companies. They're not paying us and we're doing their work, lol.

Watch Sony get somebody like Capcom and/or Square Enix, a few key studios like FromSoftware, Kojima, Arcsystems or whatever and people will stop saying this nonsense. They will change their mindset to Playstation is beating Xbox once again real quick. Sony can counter this and it's why it won't happen.

Plus Gamepass won't even hit a good fraction of subs compared to what Netflix has. This Gamepass thing won't skyrocket to undercut other competitors. Watch if Gamepass stops dropping increasing numbers or current subs and the narrative dies. Either way, Xbox would just stop making their exclusives day 1 worst case scenario.

@Banjo-

I already said I believe you don't like them. It's just the reasoning is weird to me. That's it.

I'm not defending sony alone btw, but Bethesda, Square Enix and Rockstar games too because they are just as much "movie" focused.

@Areus people put too much emphasis on quantity over quality. No dev from that publisher is better than any of xbox, Nintendo or sony's studios. It's good to catch up, but if Sony gets 30 studios, MS gets 40, Nintendo gets whatever they will get, it will be nearly impossible to compete.

@UltimateOtaku91 some publishers have been very very crappy even without consolidation tho

@Banjo-

My answer to the first paragraph.
I get you but I think you're bananas for discrediting it like that.

The second paragraph.
Never mentioned multiplayer games. Why is it hard to admit they're the second most successful single player publisher behind nintendo objectively speaking? First on awards too.

I never said the games were the only reason. I said xbox didn't make up for the price with their games to even up the odds after that horrible launch. I'm not saying you're wrong about that, but there were other factors that you want to discredit. Does it emotionally bother you sony gets praise for their games? Being serious here.

Edit: If you love games without being too heavy on cutscenes or dialogue, then talk good about those games. Talk more about what you like more than what you dislike, but you're jumping too many hoops and loops to make games you don't care about to discredit them. Talk about how good multiplayer games are and or games like doom (I love it too) that are just pure gameplay.

Did you play/are interested un Demon Souls and Returnal? Those two are very gamey games you might like.

@Banjo-

But they're not interactive films. That's heavy rain, detroit, tell tale games. It wouldn't be bad take if their games were like those. Yeah they are more heavy on the narrative than other games but that's just it. Narrative focus action/adventure it's the better way to describe them (just like Starfield or Rockstar).

The "movie" adjective was created by fanboys. Not saying it's you, you could genuinely not like sony games for whatever reason (too many cutscenes or whatnot). That "movie" term was created to discredit sony success with the games and it was created for childish console war takes. Some pc master race elitist said the same thing. You can see the pattern there.

The same thing with the attach rates of their games. It's all just console war propaganda. There are few single player only games from third party that sell as much. I always kept asking myself why people don't realise that some third party AAA publishers would have love to sell that many copies on all three platforms (sometimes 4).

@Banjo-
I disagree. Xbox one launch was horrible, but they didn't make great games to make up for it later on. They made the worst halo and gears (and the best forza) last gen, but that didn't bring new people in. Both consoles can be sucessful (One doesn't need to lose for the other to win), but xbox wasn't doing their part to even be worth it as a secondary console. Now MS listened to the complaints, which was mostly ps fans saying "xbox has no games".

I don't like their method, because now sony and nintendo may buy studios/publishers that won't make games on xbox as a consequence. A console doesn't lose in its first year (ps3). They can comeback, and they didn't. Wii u failed but nintendo cameback swinging with the switch. The ps5 might not even sell as much as the switch.

I disagree. When you pull players that bought at least 2-3 exclusives, you could count 30 million people that preferred sony games over xbox games (not everybody that bought spiderman, bought god of war or the other games is the logic behind having a general attach rate of 30% of the player base buying at least 2-3 sony games). Xbox couldn't even pull 5 million sales apart from halo and didn't have that much variety in the AAA space, where it actually matters.

And sony games aren't "movie" games. It's pretty much an ignorant take to say that. Sony games actually have more gameplay playtime than xbox games campaigns and other third party AAA games. They're just as good when it comes to gameplay. Tlou2's gameplay carried that game 100%. It's like saying all nintendo makes are games for kids and that's not true. Yeah, sony needs a few shooters and fighting games but does xbox have vr games, a fighting games studio, a game like mario maker or dreams?

I have never heard any ps fanboy say fps are brain dead. I personally don't like Bungie. iD and Respawn are the best fps devs for me.

About Capcom and Square. Probably not. If that doesn't work, Sony might buy Ubisoft and actually help them make actual good games. It still ends up bad for both consoles, but you can't say for certain 100%. The companies are out of our control and say whatever they say to look better. Capcom or Square could be a bargain for Bethesda and Activision. Then nobody loses games they were supposed to get and it's up to the non publisher studios to make exclusives.

@armondo36
Maybe. I would like if MS and Sony bargain the publishers they got and nobody ends up exclusive, while not letting anyone get in into gaming.

@RedShirtRod $10B for Capcom then.

@UltimateOtaku91 Will warner bros even sell? They have 4 games coming this year (hogwarts, suicide squad, multiversus and gotham knights).

I could see Sony really wanting Netherealms for Evo. That's the best get from everyone there.

I could see Techland and Fromsoftware.

@Banjo- I hate the comments from some of the guys there that only want third person action games. It's like they still can't figure it out why sony needs FPS, multiplayer (in whatever matter) and Fighting games. Gaming is a selfish hobby and they're too stuck on that it's everything about them.

@Ashadelo I think Ubisoft is next for Ubisoft tho.

Because of Japanese laws and SE and Capcom games selling way better on playstation. I think Sony will support switch with them tho and use them as bargaining for Bethesda and Activision games.

@Banjo- I wouldn't worry about Sega. Not worth it.

I think Capcom and Square are the only sane options.

They def have the money lol. They just spent 3.6B for one studio. That's overpriced imo and they didn't care. They won't get a T2 or EA tho, but the smaller ones for sure. They probably still have 10B or more for acquisitions and they could always pull more. Sony head already said they expected this consolidation a year ago.

I would personally would go for Capcom since SE is already almost exclusive to Sony.

Ofc it will. Sony is probably close to acquiring more and starting with others as Jim Ryan mentioned it already.

Xbox will go to Ubisoft and they will get them too, but I think that is the endgame for them. I really don't see the point. If you have 40 studios, you should be able to dominate any new giant tech easily.