Word on the street is that this delay is the direct result of the massive "union busting" firings they did recently. Apparently the victims included many senior employees and overall morale is way down.
Wow, that was a lot of scrolling (note I said scrolling, not reading). Anyhow, ROG Ally doesn't seem worth it to me based on what initial consumers are saying, so I'm going to save up for an open box Legion Go 2 (likely with Steam OS if the Full Xbox Experience isn't comparable by then)
Microsoft could let you play every Xbox game as part of their ultimate subscription and it still wouldn't be worth it. $30 per month is too much unless you have all the time in the world, which most subscribers likely do not have.
Why are comments implying that the Microsoft gaming os only supports Steam? Shouldn't it also work with Epic, GOG, and all of the other PC storefronts?
I'm definitely interested based on what we know currently and some early hands on previews.
My current concerns:
How well will sleep / suspend work?
What about family game sharing and parental controls?
How is the docked experience?
If I end up getting the Rog Xbox Ally, it will become my main handheld, probably replacing my OG steam deck, and designating my Switch 2 to exclusives only (with very few exceptions). It will also become my main "xbox", and while I will maybe hold on to the Xbox for now, I would definitely let game pass expire and just use the Ally for my online gaming, keeping Xbox only for the handful of console exclusives that I want to play (Rare replay mostly). If Rare replay ever moves to the PC, and it turns out that games play just as well if not better on the Rog as the Series X, then I can probably abandon the Xbox too.
I'm in the market for a good handheld pc. I have a steam deck, but it's too underpowered for any recent games.
Going to be getting either the rog xbox x with windows 11 or the legion go 2 with steam os. Going to wait for reviews of both first. Although if the Windows 11 performance is significantly better than it is currently due to optimizations, then I may get the rog near launch.
@themightyant If they don't want to fund the development of a Perfect Dark game then sell it to someone else who will. But they won't, because they would rather the IP die with them than let it thrive elsewhere.
@Kaloudz Long development times aren't necessarily a problem. Nintendo takes its sweet sweet time with its games and releases them when ready. Microsoft has the $. Just let them cook.
@TapeLoader I do this with many streaming services. The trick is to subscribe for 1 month and then immediately cancel. When you do this, you keep your current subscription but at the end of the month, you lose access. Then you don't have to remember to cancel since you've already cancelled.
It's funny how we've gone from "killing in games and movies is ok, it's just make believe." To "AI is the worst thing ever, look at what it does in movies."
Sorry, but I'm not convinced AI is going to kill us all because of some movies that people wrote.
@Coletrain Normally consoles are sold at a lost with the expectation of making the difference on software sales. Since Xbox can't expect any software sales, they need to profit (or at least break even) on their hardware.
@Kraven I think that's a meaningless statistic. Developers who release their game on game pass have already received a huge chunk of money upfront from Microsoft. So whether or not it sells to game pass subscribers who funded that chunk of money is meaningless.
The bigger issue with game pass is for those games that aren't launched into the service. How many game pass subscribers are buying those games? I believe we already have reports that state: "not many" and that is the true problem with game pass. Any xbox game not launching in game pass is unlikely to turn a profit.
@Sveakungen Sounds like its currently only available on the PS5 console. Is there no ability to stream from the cloud to phones, PCs, tablets, or the portal?
@GuyinPA75 In your situation, I also would never use handheld. But since someone is using the TV a lot, most of my gaming time is handheld. Additionally, there are a few indoor extracurricular activities that my sons do where parents are told to wait in their cars. So I wait in my car and play on my Steam deck/switch. I could doom scroll on my phone but I'd much rather game.
The 32 player servers are player hosted. The only "hosting" they do is for launching a 2-4 player co-op, but I'm pretty sure that's still primarily peer to peer since when the host gets kicked off, everyone else does too.
It really doesn't make sense why their costs are so high. There is likely some very poor server side implementations on their end.
@Banjo- For me the big thing is simplicity. I don't want to have to search the web for drivers, don't want to attach a keyboard or mouse, or toggle launch options to get a game to run. From a user perspective, I should be able to find the game and launch it without worrying about anything else. If it can do all that and still support PC games, then that's fine, but that seems like a high bar. I'm perfectly fine with Xbox only.
@Luca91 If it's windows I'm out. But if it's the same or similar OS as xbox, I'm in. Also, it has to play all (or at least most) of existing xbox games. Basically, if the series S can handle it, this new handheld should be able to as well.
Xbox physical games might end up being limited run. We already know 75% of xbox owners have a Series S. Anyone buying through the windows store or Steam is also doing digital. So you end up with maybe 10% of possible sales or so going to owners of the xbox series x.
@NarutosBiggestFan @Romans12 @FarmDog08 Hey fellow dad gamers. Also relative picky with my limited gaming time. Mostly, I just play indies since I can realistically finish them. Thankfully there are also a handful of games that my kids play that I can kinda enjoy with them. But most of the games they play bore me to sleep sometimes lol.
For competitive games that I am active in, I buy every DLC. In my case, that's every Smash bros and every normal Street Fighter (i.e. not the cross overs) . I've also bought DLC for a handful of other games: Fire Emblem 3 houses, Mario kart 8, Monster train, Sonic Mania, and maybe a few more that I'm forgetting.
I'm a sucker that will be buying this at or near day one. Ark players be going through the lowest of lows along with the highest of highs and I'm here for it.
@LordFunkalot Castle crashers is definitely easier, but I find the games way too boring now. I would much rather play through TMNT or Streets of Rage with my kids (ages 9 and 6).
I have one. The screen is super convenient. I can play it on the couch like a laptop. Pretty hard to do that with a separate monitor. At $200, I'd say the price is fair for what you get. Yes, you can get a better quality screen but then you're dealing with the hassle of lots of wires, a stand to support the screen, or you may be forced to play at a desk or table, and possibly needing multiple outlets. With the Xscreen, all you need is one outlet to plug in the power cord and you're good to go.
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Re: It's Official, Rockstar Games Has Delayed GTA 6 To November 2026
Word on the street is that this delay is the direct result of the massive "union busting" firings they did recently. Apparently the victims included many senior employees and overall morale is way down.
Re: Microsoft Passes The Buck To Asus For ROG Xbox Ally's Price Tag
Wow, that was a lot of scrolling (note I said scrolling, not reading). Anyhow, ROG Ally doesn't seem worth it to me based on what initial consumers are saying, so I'm going to save up for an open box Legion Go 2 (likely with Steam OS if the Full Xbox Experience isn't comparable by then)
Re: Xbox 'Magnus' Leak Suggests Next Console Will Be Powerful, Expensive & Maybe A Hybrid Device
My next "console" will support Steam. Whether that's the Xbox or the Steambox, time will tell.
Re: Talking Point: How Do You Feel About Ubisoft+ Classics Being Added To Game Pass Ultimate?
Microsoft could let you play every Xbox game as part of their ultimate subscription and it still wouldn't be worth it. $30 per month is too much unless you have all the time in the world, which most subscribers likely do not have.
Re: Talking Point: So, Did You End Up Pre-Ordering The ROG Xbox Ally?
I'll wait for a month for impressions then decide. Might wait until the scalpers get desperate and start selling them for 20%+ off MSRP.
Re: Xbox Cloud Gaming Quality Bump Shows 'Dramatic Improvement' Says Digital Foundry
Has anyone tried it lately?
Re: Xbox's New Handheld UI Has Become Available, And It's Giving FPS & Battery Improvements
Why are comments implying that the Microsoft gaming os only supports Steam? Shouldn't it also work with Epic, GOG, and all of the other PC storefronts?
Re: Xbox Adds Another 500+ Deals As 'Open World' And 'Publisher Spotlight' Sales Go Live
Definitely going to be a toss up between FF16 and Visions of Mana for me.
Re: Deals: Xbox Has Suddenly Put Another 700+ Games On Sale This Week (Sep 2-9)
Saw Grim Dawn remastered is on sale. Is it worth it for xbox?
Re: Talking Point: Has This Week's ROG Xbox Ally News Sold You On The New Handheld?
I'm definitely interested based on what we know currently and some early hands on previews.
My current concerns:
If I end up getting the Rog Xbox Ally, it will become my main handheld, probably replacing my OG steam deck, and designating my Switch 2 to exclusives only (with very few exceptions). It will also become my main "xbox", and while I will maybe hold on to the Xbox for now, I would definitely let game pass expire and just use the Ally for my online gaming, keeping Xbox only for the handful of console exclusives that I want to play (Rare replay mostly). If Rare replay ever moves to the PC, and it turns out that games play just as well if not better on the Rog as the Series X, then I can probably abandon the Xbox too.
Re: ROG Xbox Ally Handheld Gets Official October 2025 Release Date
I'm in the market for a good handheld pc. I have a steam deck, but it's too underpowered for any recent games.
Going to be getting either the rog xbox x with windows 11 or the legion go 2 with steam os. Going to wait for reviews of both first. Although if the Windows 11 performance is significantly better than it is currently due to optimizations, then I may get the rog near launch.
Re: Here's What The Windows Gaming UI Looks Like On ROG Xbox Ally
I'll be waiting for the Windows 11 vs SteamOS comparison to decide whether I get one or just wait for the next Legion Go with SteamOS.
Re: Microsoft Spends Up To $50m On Xbox Game Pass Partnerships, Says Former Manager
@Kaloudz 50m sounds like a lot until you realize that's less than 1 million units sold at full price.
Re: Xbox's Matt Booty Issues Statement On Layoffs And Game Cancellations
@themightyant If they don't want to fund the development of a Perfect Dark game then sell it to someone else who will. But they won't, because they would rather the IP die with them than let it thrive elsewhere.
Re: Xbox's Matt Booty Issues Statement On Layoffs And Game Cancellations
@Kaloudz Long development times aren't necessarily a problem. Nintendo takes its sweet sweet time with its games and releases them when ready. Microsoft has the $. Just let them cook.
Re: Xbox Officially Has Its First $80 Game, And It Won't Be The Last
@TapeLoader I do this with many streaming services. The trick is to subscribe for 1 month and then immediately cancel. When you do this, you keep your current subscription but at the end of the month, you lose access. Then you don't have to remember to cancel since you've already cancelled.
Re: Xbox Copilot Now Live For Testing As Microsoft Introduces Its AI Companion
@CaptainCluck AI will make some jobs easier and some jobs redundant but it will never have the ability to come up with good ideas on its own.
Re: Xbox Copilot Now Live For Testing As Microsoft Introduces Its AI Companion
It's funny how we've gone from "killing in games and movies is ok, it's just make believe." To "AI is the worst thing ever, look at what it does in movies."
Sorry, but I'm not convinced AI is going to kill us all because of some movies that people wrote.
Re: New Sales Data Highlights How Xbox Is 'Dominating' PS5 Right Now
@Coletrain Normally consoles are sold at a lost with the expectation of making the difference on software sales. Since Xbox can't expect any software sales, they need to profit (or at least break even) on their hardware.
Re: Square Enix Is Bringing Eight Games To Xbox Today (September 26)
@johndoe89 Nice avatar, chummer.
Re: Talking Point: What's Your Favourite Xbox Game Of The Year So Far?
@datamonkey I just got all the achievements in unicorn overlord. Now I don't know what to do with my life lol
Re: The Xbox Game Pass Conversion Ratios Have Gotten Worse This Week
@theduckofdeath People who had game pass ultimate clear into 2024.
Re: Roundup: Here's What The Critics Think About Visions Of Mana From Square Enix
@Kraven I think that's a meaningless statistic. Developers who release their game on game pass have already received a huge chunk of money upfront from Microsoft. So whether or not it sells to game pass subscribers who funded that chunk of money is meaningless.
The bigger issue with game pass is for those games that aren't launched into the service. How many game pass subscribers are buying those games? I believe we already have reports that state: "not many" and that is the true problem with game pass. Any xbox game not launching in game pass is unlikely to turn a profit.
Re: Talking Point: Are You Interested In Any Of The New Xbox Series X|S Models?
I'm just waiting for a gyro supported controller.
Re: 8BitDo Unveils Budget-Friendly Xbox Controller With Hall Effect Sticks
@HonestHick I haven't had a broken controller since the n64 (and the joy cons)
Re: Dragon's Dogma 2 Launches With Uncapped 30FPS Performance On Xbox
@Neither_scene Yeah if you can swing a $1500 PC, no need for the $500 series X.
Re: Palworld Patch Notes Unveiled For Second Xbox Update Of The Week (0.1.5.1)
Can pals be renamed now?
Re: Poll: Will You Be Buying The Star Wars: Battlefront 'Classic Collection'?
This takes me back to a time where online multiplayer didn't have to be GAAS. Definitely picking up this one.
Re: Phil Spencer Tells Xbox Fan To Expect Major xCloud Feature 'This Year'
@ZuneTattooGuy Not quite. In this article that we're commenting on, the following snippet is written:
"Before anyone gets too excited, it should be noted that the original plan in 2022 was only to allow access to "select" games from your library"
However, console only streaming isn't nearly as useful as being to able to stream to portable devices.
Re: Phil Spencer Tells Xbox Fan To Expect Major xCloud Feature 'This Year'
@Sveakungen Sounds like its currently only available on the PS5 console. Is there no ability to stream from the cloud to phones, PCs, tablets, or the portal?
Re: Random: Phil Spencer Has Been 'Liking' Tweets About Xbox And Handhelds
@GuyinPA75 In your situation, I also would never use handheld. But since someone is using the TV a lot, most of my gaming time is handheld. Additionally, there are a few indoor extracurricular activities that my sons do where parents are told to wait in their cars. So I wait in my car and play on my Steam deck/switch. I could doom scroll on my phone but I'd much rather game.
Re: Random: Phil Spencer Has Been 'Liking' Tweets About Xbox And Handhelds
@GuyinPA75 And do you have a wife and kids? That's where the true benefit of handheld comes in.
Re: Palworld Server Costs May Explain Why Xbox Is Helping Out With Pocketpair's Game Pass Hit
The 32 player servers are player hosted. The only "hosting" they do is for launching a 2-4 player co-op, but I'm pretty sure that's still primarily peer to peer since when the host gets kicked off, everyone else does too.
It really doesn't make sense why their costs are so high. There is likely some very poor server side implementations on their end.
Re: Xbox Might Be Looking Into A Handheld Console As PlayStation Rumours Circulate
@Banjo- For me the big thing is simplicity. I don't want to have to search the web for drivers, don't want to attach a keyboard or mouse, or toggle launch options to get a game to run. From a user perspective, I should be able to find the game and launch it without worrying about anything else. If it can do all that and still support PC games, then that's fine, but that seems like a high bar. I'm perfectly fine with Xbox only.
Re: Xbox Might Be Looking Into A Handheld Console As PlayStation Rumours Circulate
@Luca91 If it's windows I'm out. But if it's the same or similar OS as xbox, I'm in. Also, it has to play all (or at least most) of existing xbox games. Basically, if the series S can handle it, this new handheld should be able to as well.
Re: Sonic X Shadow Generations Brings Its 'All-New Collection' To Xbox In Autumn 2024
This might also be a full price purchase from me (long as it's not launching the same week as the next 3d mario) 😉
Re: Xbox 'Providing Support To Enable Dedicated Servers' In Palworld
This is great news. I will definitely play a lot more with dedicated servers.
Re: Talking Point: Would You Buy A 'Revised' Xbox Series X|S Controller In 2024?
If it's got functional gyro, I'm all in.
Re: Hellblade 2 Will Be A Digital-Only, Cheaper Release On Xbox And PC
Xbox physical games might end up being limited run. We already know 75% of xbox owners have a Series S. Anyone buying through the windows store or Steam is also doing digital. So you end up with maybe 10% of possible sales or so going to owners of the xbox series x.
Re: Palworld's Crazy Demand Is Causing Issues With Creating Multiplayer Worlds
I played this with my two boys this morning. It is amazing. I hope I can bring the wife in too tbh. So long Pokémon, it was nice knowing you.
Re: These 10+ Games Are Coming To Xbox Next Week (January 15-19)
Downloading Pal World day one. I'll pick up prince of Persia eventually.
Re: Poll: How Often Do You Buy DLC Packs & Expansions For Your Games?
@NarutosBiggestFan @Romans12 @FarmDog08 Hey fellow dad gamers. Also relative picky with my limited gaming time. Mostly, I just play indies since I can realistically finish them. Thankfully there are also a handful of games that my kids play that I can kinda enjoy with them. But most of the games they play bore me to sleep sometimes lol.
Re: Poll: How Often Do You Buy DLC Packs & Expansions For Your Games?
For competitive games that I am active in, I buy every DLC. In my case, that's every Smash bros and every normal Street Fighter (i.e. not the cross overs) . I've also bought DLC for a handful of other games: Fire Emblem 3 houses, Mario kart 8, Monster train, Sonic Mania, and maybe a few more that I'm forgetting.
Re: Ark: Survival Ascended Set To Make Console Debut On Xbox Next Week
I'm a sucker that will be buying this at or near day one. Ark players be going through the lowest of lows along with the highest of highs and I'm here for it.
Re: Alien Hominid HD & Invasion Crash-Land On Xbox This November
@LordFunkalot Castle crashers is definitely easier, but I find the games way too boring now. I would much rather play through TMNT or Streets of Rage with my kids (ages 9 and 6).
Re: The Xbox Series S 'xScreen' Is Now Officially Licensed By Microsoft
I have one. The screen is super convenient. I can play it on the couch like a laptop. Pretty hard to do that with a separate monitor. At $200, I'd say the price is fair for what you get. Yes, you can get a better quality screen but then you're dealing with the hassle of lots of wires, a stand to support the screen, or you may be forced to play at a desk or table, and possibly needing multiple outlets. With the Xscreen, all you need is one outlet to plug in the power cord and you're good to go.
Re: Rockstar Begins Adding Classic Games To 'GTA+' Service On Xbox
@carlos82 Don't forget the v-bucks! Or gta-bucks!
Re: Xbox's Phil Spencer Was Dead Serious About Wanting To Acquire Nintendo In 2020
They mention Valve in that letter too, not just Nintendo.
Re: Xbox's Phil Spencer Was Dead Serious About Wanting To Acquire Nintendo In 2020
This is pretty awful tbh. They really out here trying to consolidate the entire gaming industry. And are willing to play "the long game" to do it.
Re: Microsoft Is Targeting 2028 For A 'Hybrid' Next Generation Xbox Console
Returning to the power of the cloud. We'll see if it works any better this time around.