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@Questionable_Duck I've got a feeling that Microsoft/Xbox will strip down not needed features of Windows 11 in time. For it's future PC/hybrid & OEM partnerships. As the Xbox OS runs the Windows 11 gaming subsystem.

@ElkinFencer10 the fact it will integrate & run every rival store front on a PC. Guarantees it will be digital only. As it's the only way to prevent Microsoft/Xbox from breaching most anti consumer laws.

@BAMozzy people said the same when mobile gaming went free to play. That it wouldn't work. It be poor quality. Which it mostly is. But mobile gaming now brings the biggest amount of gaming revenue. So I can see free to play cloud services being extremely popular. Even if it offers just 1080p.
Sony already allows Helldiver's 2 to be playable via Xcloud. So they allow there only official published game. As MLB the Show can also be played. But that's MLB that licenses it. It's just Destiny 2 that's not available. But that's Bungie. it's also not available via cloud on PlayStation by the looks of it. Could be wrong.
Gamers aren't buying games either. An article today states the average gamer in the US. Buys 2 a year. Sony said something similar not long ago also.
I'm sure Sony does want everyone on PlayStation. But there are people who won't touch one. So they release games on PC, Nintendo Switch & recently Xbox. For the extra revenue. Will be no different with cloud.

@BAMozzy I do. As Sony argued during the ABK deal that they expect Microsoft/Xbox to be a key player in cloud gaming within the next decade. So why wouldn't Sony want to take advantage while Microsoft is ahead of the curve. As so far Sony's attempts at cloud is basic & its mobile strategy is in its infancy.
Plus kids today don't want to buy a $500-$1000 next gen console. Let alone an expensive PC to play games. They want them on their phones. So the rumour of a FREE Game Pass subscription to stream not just purchased Xbox games. Like GTA6 from the Xbox store. But also Xbox games day 1 will be well received by the younger generation.

@BAMozzy I believe that Sony's interest in Xbox ports is purely down to cloud gaming. Look at Helldivers 2. It originally launched on Xbox consoles. But now can be played via cloud for anyone who purchased the game. With an active Games Pass subscription. Also add talk of a FREE version of GP. Then it gets more interesting specially if access to purchased content doesn't require advertising to be consumed.

They need to stop bringing Phil & the gang to the Tokyo Game Show. If they want support from Asia. It should have been Mena Sato Kato's show today.

I'm putting my bets on Monster Hunter Stories 1&2 being announced or shadow dropped.

Horizon is my favorite PlayStation franchise atm. So would be day 1 purchase. Like Helldivers 2 was. If true!!!! But till it gets announced by Sony themselves. Pure speculation.

Deca Police from Level 5 is my top wish suprise announcement. But be happy with Silent Hill 2 remake. Some news on FF7:Rebirth & maybe a teaser for part 3.

@WildConcept6 should use both 😁.

@Kaloudz I'm sure they'll find something to fight about. Considering it's the platform wars now lol.

@WildConcept6 aye there just jealous to be fair. As if it was Sony that offered the value Games Pass does they'd be celebrating how consumer friendly Sony is. But it's Microsoft so the garlic & crosses come out.

It's just Games Pass that's the problem 😆😆😆. It's like when fanboys on Push Square say that Xbox users are conditioned not to buy games. But when you say. Well if Games Pass is such a problem on Xbox. Playstation Plus must have a similar effect on Playstation. They make excuses.

@Kaloudz I'm looking forward to seeing how nicely Microsoft & Sony act towards each other in the future. Now that both are 3rd party partners to each others eco system.

@Kaloudz next gen could be great. As it could be the first time where if you pick either an Xbox or PlayStation. You may not need to worry of buying the other to not miss out on a wide variety of games. But the downside each console could cost the same as both ATM.

@Kaloudz PlayStation got rid of the web browser a while ago. But it looks like it's just the standard PlayStation website through Edge on Xbox. I can't see Sony allowing Games Pass even via cloud.

@Kaloudz If Sony published the PlayStation app as a progressive web app (PWA). Then we could play PlayStation Plus content on the current Xbox series via the edge browser. I will check to see if it's already possible.

@Fiendish-Beaver I could imagine Sony is very protective of the Horizon IP due to its value. As the Tencent lawsuit proves. But to be fair letting Tencent make a Horizon title for the Asian market would be a gold mine for both companies. More so than the Lego deal. But I'm sure the reason for not allowing it is the background details that we never get told about.
But my point still stands from earlier though. As the evidence points to that Lego has never pushed for a multiplatform release when it does deals with console holders. As Forza Horizon had stand alone Lego dlc which never released outside Xbox & PC. Then you have the Nintendo WiiU which sold miserably. But it didn't force a multiplatform release of Lego City Undercover. So to me I'd suspect it was all Sony. As the absence of an Xbox port is another indicator that Sony has full control of where it released.

@Kaloudz I can see PlayStation porting PlayStation+ everywhere. Specially now that it's looking at being a platform. So expect an Xbox style push to cloud, mobile, smart TV, Fire sticks & next gen Xbox etc. I'm surprised there hasn't been regulator scrutiny. As something basic as a refund should be a must in this modern age.

@Kaloudz if it's a hybrid PC. I bet PlayStation will port it's app so you can stream Playstation+. You'll have Nvidia GeForce Now plus others. So like Store fronts I'd suspect that Microsoft would have to step up.
Each regulator will have contact info on their website. I need at least 2 caffeine hits before I wake from homosapien to human 😆
As for refunds. I see it being the next big area of regulator scrutiny. As I'm sure Sony is in trouble in a few countries for it's no return policy.

@Fiendish-Beaver you keep talking about contractual obligations? I still don't see why Sony would allow a similar situation to MLB with one of its own IP. Sony was vocal that it was MLB that called for it to be a multiplatform title. It makes no sense that Sony would allow Lego to hold Horizon hostage. If anything I'd say it gives Sony more leverage.
As for Xbox. Your looking at it in 2D. Yes it may be the smallest as a console provider with 30 million customers. But as a platform provider where the console is but a small part of the strategy. Then Xbox is already beating PlayStation. As Sony is aware of its potential growth from it's own investor call. As the expansion to any online/Bluetooth device has begun with smart TVs, Amazon Firesticks. Games Pass is readily available via cloud. There are hundreds of games that can be purchased via the Xbox store that can be streamed today. With a full roll out is meant to be later this year. So Xbox is possibly the cheapest place to play GTA6 next year. As you may not need a console to play it. Just the game via the Xbox store plus a controller to play on the device of their choice. That's why Sony is porting games to Xbox. As that alone could shift millions more copies.

@TrollOfWar I agree 100% I've been stung a few times believing in there grand visions. Just for it to be either scrapped or severely reduced in scale to the point the boat has sailed long before the product releases.
I think what they are doing with the Xbox PC app in preparation for the Xbox Asus Rog Ally is a hint of how the software is going to work with integration. Microsoft is also working hard to get games on the Windows Store also. But it will be interesting if Steam, GoG & others turn up in the Windows Store. As the Epic launcher is already in the store.
But or me it needs to be native. As if it's a case that Steam software is emulated or cloud based mostly in nature. It's a no for me.

@Kaloudz Having more competition would help in every aspect of the next gen Xbox. Better pricing for games in the Xbox store. Cheaper access to be online. Games Pass would still get decent games as it have increased competition etc. I'm sure there would be more benefits but I'm not long woken. Not enough coffee yet lol. As for a better returns policy. I would recommend you put a complaint into your local government consumer regulator. As if we all did it rather than just moan on the Internet. They'd be investigated. It's not perfect system!!! But Microsoft tends to jump quicker than the others.

@Fiendish-Beaver I only used the word forced. As that's the term that gets thrown about when it's generally mentioned that Sony has put games like MLB the Show & Lego Horizon Adventures on other formats.

@Kaloudz it will be interesting to see how Microsoft implement it. If they can also pull it off. As Microsoft tend to have grand ideas then fall at the final hurdle. If you know the later part the Universal Windows Platform life cycle. Then you will know what I'm talking about.

@Kaloudz I hope it improves pricing of games to be fair. As Steam is dirt cheap with great offers. So Microsoft will have to respond to compete if Steam becomes a reality.

@Fiendish-Beaver but why would Sony contractually sign a deal with one of its most successful new IPs to a kids toy company that they know would sell better on a rivals platform over its own?.
It's obvious to expand it to a new audience to make more money. That's why I'm surprised people are still sceptical of Sony's intent going forward.
It's like Sony intentionally made the deal to make a game that they thought would help make them a successful 3rd party publisher on the Nintendo Switch.

@Kaloudz that's the whole point of these laws. It's to benefit the consumer. It's also makes Microsoft fight for your cash so they will no longer get to be complacent at least when it comes to selling games on its next gen hardware. If the rumours are true that it's a hybrid PC.

@HonestHick that's it. Having a knowledge of how businesses work helps have an insight into there mindset. I asked a colleague who is self employed about anti trust regulation during the ABK merger & again recently with talk of Steam on Xbox.

@HonestHick It kinda reminds me of the days when people laughed at David Bowie when he called the Internet the biggest disruptor of information in a generation. When people laughed that Netflix would ever take off in a world dominated with cinemas & video stores. Now it's the thought that the trusted formula of games consoles is slowly being replaced.

@Fiendish-Beaver Microsoft wasn't forced to put Horizon on rival consoles when they made Lego dlc. Even Nintendo wasn't forced to put Lego City: Undercover game on other platforms when it released on WiiU. But Sony does 😆😆😆.
From what Guerilla Games said at the time. It sounds like it was a joint decision. So Sony was very much involved in the decision. That's why I said it's release should put this argument to bed. As it goes where it believes the most money is. Even if it puts other platforms priority over its own.

@Kaloudz Xbox is heading to be a digital only platform. That's been obvious for years. So rival store fronts is a must. To comply with worldwide anti trust regulations. Just need to look at how new laws have forced Apple & Google to open up to competition in the smartphone market.

@Fiendish-Beaver yes Helldiver's 2 is a live service game. But its also PlayStations biggest selling game that they ever released at launch. So it's a big deal for PlayStation. So to bring it's biggest selling title to Xbox first to test the water. Is also a risk. As if it fails to shift units. How long do they support the port. So you'd expect lower risk titles first. But if successful then everything else after that is a bonus for Sony. They did it before with Horizon which was there biggest selling new IP. As it was PCs first PlayStation port. Square Enix just did the same lately also. They brought there money maker first with Final Fantasy 14. Then said they were happy with how it did & now get we regular releases yearly.
Plus you'd think that Lego Horizon Adventures on the Nintendo Switch would have put this argument to bed when Guerrilla games was heavily involved.

@Fiendish-Beaver many of us said this was happening. Not just due to Xbox. But due to the nature of capitalism. Once the expansion begins & the money flows. The genie is out of the bottle. Then it rarely closes. Once one revenue stream is exhausted. It's the constant look for the next.
Plus Sony has been hinting for a while that something had to give. They put all there eggs in live service & failed. So they adapted by expanding to what made money & that was porting to other platforms.

@Kaloudz if it's a hybrid PC. I wouldn't think long. As there is nothing stopping Sony from adding its current PC ports to the Windows store now. To take advantage of the Xbox Asus Rog Ally X. Then update them later to take advantage the next gen console.

@Kaloudz looking at when PlayStation posted a similar post for there PC push. It took 14 months for Horizon: Zero Dawn to launch on Steam.

@HonestHick your getting the credit you deserve. You put all the dots together & told them to brace themselves. It not your problem they didn't listen.

@Markatron84 only time will tell I guess.

@HonestHick im sure we talked about this subject back in February. The kickback on YouTube has been hilarious. In a way it's karma. But your living up to your screen name. Your just being honest 👍

@HonestHick weeks!!!. I'd say you have been saying it for months 🙂.

I wonder if Xbox is getting fair games & that other Bungie game that they took in house last year. Sure it was rumoured to be an Overwatch clone. Even Gran Turismo 7 is a live service game.
I read also that Sony said that 40% of this years 1st party revenue is from its live service titles. So would explain why they are looking at Xbox & Switch 2.

@WildConcept6 that definitely could have some merit. Now that Xbox is a Playstation partner. If console hardware becomes less important after next gen. I could see both Playstation & Xbox looks out for each other to compete against it's online competition. So games coming to Xbox could be part of a long-term partnership.

@TrollOfWar I'm sure Playstation will promote their own cloud services. As at the moment they offer 4k streaming to Xbox's full HD at 1080p. But during regulator scrutiny of the ABK deal. Sony was also afraid that if unregulated that Xbox could be untouchable with it's xcloud services in the future. I don't see that attitude changing now that Xbox are putting their services on every device possible which is Microsoft's key strength being a software company first. So if Sony is correct & Xbox does take a reasonable chunk of the market in the future due to having a head start with it's multiplatform strategy. Then Sony still gets a large chunk of revenue from it's own titles on Xbox while it makes money off its own online services.
Also Playstation wants it's own PC & mobile stores to bring in new revenue streams. So by bringing their titles to Xbox they instead of treat them as a rival. They become an ally. As Xbox is likely to support with their services to help Sony compete with it's rivals. While it also makes money off it's rivals services.
As Phil Spencer has said several times that they don't class Sony as a rival. More Apple, Google, Amazon & Tencent.

@WildConcept6 I'd say you just have to look at Bethesda's decision to force Arkane Austin to make Redfall an online title. As an example to self sabotage to a studio. Or the MMO that Phil Spencer loved & had to be torn away from or he'd he'd missed a meeting. Being cancelled. These companies will follow trends to make money. It is the name of the game for these corporations. So cutting jobs in one studio to protect others in another isn't unheard of. Then you have Microsoft's love of AI also.
But I agree with what you wrote 100%.

@Fiendish-Beaver I think Sony is banking on Xbox to be a major player in the cloud gaming sector in the next few years. With there recent push to be on smart TVs, fire sticks. Xbox wants a mobile store on IOS & Android. We also have full cloud support for purchased games later this year to compliment Games Pass titles. All this opens the floodgates to millions of users who wouldn't touch a console. I can't see Sony not wanting a slice of that cash. Even if it's just 70%. Then add the 30 million Xbox console users also.

@WildConcept6 how is it major tin hatting. It's business. EA tried to force Sega during the Dreamcast days to drop its sports titles. Then again later. By successfully making Microsoft sell studios that made sports titles to Take 2 in return for support. This could be no different. If Microsoft has no faith in Forza Motorsport as an IP & can get Gran Turismo instead. I bet they would.

@Kaloudz I wonder if Turn 10 got hit as hard as it did because Microsoft was aware of PlayStation's new strategy & hope that with it may help bring Gran Turismo to Xbox.

@Questionable_Duck I can't see Capcom not releasing them now. Maybe we get an announcement soon or by Microsoft at the Tokyo Gameshow later this year.

@Quasicat The Adventures of Elliot: The Millennium Tales has also been announced for Xbox.

@Nighto4 it makes sense. Get Xbox users onboard either through a shadow drop or Games Pass entry later this year.