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@GeorgeKal I recon it was planned. But with the way Sony & Microsoft's strategies are changing. Anything is possible.

@somnambulance I was gonna say the same thing. Xbox getting it last is either a desperate attempt to get more sales. Or it was always planned to be ported at a later date.

@themightyant I think we are in a minority though. As I asked the kids & they couldn't care less if Xbox games go to PlayStation & Switch. As long as they get to play on their Series S's.

I thought I'd think that as well & jump fully to PlayStation next gen. But Sony hasn't been great this generation with constant remakes & PC ports taking priority over new titles. So can't see anything change except maybe build a descent PC to compliment the Asus Rog Ally. Kids play on Xbox also. So they'd want the newest one when it comes also. Like I said before. I enjoy being able to play certain games on my Xbox Series X or Asus Rog Ally via Games Pass in my living room. Then later once I've been kicked out. Up the stairs on my PS5 after paying full price.

@themightyant but will it damage the PlayStation brand. The media plus PS Fanboys moan but at the end of the day still obey. Like MLB & PC ports. If Sony says its someone else's fault or its to grow the business it's genius. If it was Xbox saying that it's GAME OVER!!!. Look at the recent response to Sony's expanding it's cloud strategy. Little to nothing was said. Even the defending of constant remakes.

If Sony announced the original Spiderman & Miles Morales was heading to Xbox & Switch. Then later said that all parties wanted more revenue from older titles. I could see the media & fanboys blow it off due to they had to wait so many years to play it like they said about Death Stranding.

But I agree. I don't see the problem of PlayStation & Xbox games being everywhere. As the more players that buy & play the better chance we will see more games from our favorite franchises.

@themightyant I agree with everything you've said. But only time will tell what direction Sony will go. If they want easy money then the Marvel license would be it. As it's an easy sell to customers & fanboys.

@themightyant the Insomniac leaks stated that the deal with Marvel demands that each title must sell 6 million units each. But the reason Sony might go fully multiplatform is the % Marvel takes. Disney will receive 9-18% of digital sales, 19-26% of physical sales, 19-26% of DLC sales, and 35-50% of bundle sales.
Also Disney could be putting pressure on PlayStation to go multiplatform due to Xbox doing the same to Indiana Jones & The Great Circle.

@themightyant Its a funny world we live in. I still believe Death Stranding releasing is key. Yes Sony sold it back to Kojima. But nothing SOE related has been removed. It runs on the Decima engine. Which Sony owns. So probably needed permission first. So the ground work has already been completed.
But like you said. Do I expect it to happen anytime soon? NO. If it does though? Id expect it to be live service titles like Helldiver's 2 & licensed titles like MLB the Show or Marvels Spiderman & Wolverine.

@Foxx_64740 I still feel Death Stranding was possibly a test. As selling the franchise back to Kojima & allowing them to release the game with all the SOE references included allows a seed to be planted. Plus with Kojima being a close partner. I bet he'd share how well it's sold also.

@themightyant I think it depends on Xbox's current strategy. If the eco system explodes in popularity due to the all devices being an Xbox. Then I could see Sony taking advantage with titles like Helldivers 2 & online spin offs of popular franchises. As Death Stranding proves that at a descent price even older Sony exclusives will sell. Sony could also wait till Microsoft has all their titles on Playstation & announce that Xbox is no longer a threat but part of the family. But more likely they'll allow Xbox users to use their cloud service.

@K1LLEGAL I don't see Sony money hating being so much as a problem now. As it slowly going away to some extent. I think once Microsoft implement there third party strategy fully. If it includes ID@Xbox, Xbox worldwide publishing & other partnerships? Then I could see the momentum swing to Xbox. It gives even Xbox hardware more 2nd party titles etc. I think recent surge in companies like Square Enix, Keoi Tecmo, HoYoverse & Kojima Productions commiting is due to the fact they have been sold on the strategy of all device being Xbox.

@K1LLEGAL exactly. I think Arrowheads recent outburst about putting pressure on Sony to port Helldivers 2 to Xbox is a case of why are we not allowed to but Bungie is. Like Bethesda grumbling when Microsoft said ABK titles will still be multiplatform. Support Marathon, Destiny 2 & even MLB & if their is money to be made on Xbox. Who knows!!!

@IOI id suspect they'd have to deal with the FTC if they stopped bringing at least future Destiny & Marathon titles to Xbox. As they did investigate the acquisition. I also suspect that part of the independent deal was to appease the regulators. I don't think Sony expected them to be so aggressive since the ABK deal. Or they'd brought Marathon into house like they have a few teams.

@Balaam_ Funny how Nadella drops the whole multiplatform statement when the biggest multiplatform title Call of Duty releases. The earlier rumour of slowing down & learning from Indiana Jones could be true. As Nadella hinted at cloud gaming & how from next month you can play what you buy from the Xbox store.

That statement could be to celebrate a successful launch of COD Black OPs 6. Doesn't mean that earlier rumour that Xbox has learned from Indiana Jones announcement isn't true.

Any news on pricing?

@Titntin I'm sure the memory leak got dismissed as Microsofts second response said from what they have been led to believe it isn't hardware related & mentioned it couldn't comment on exclusive deals made by it's partners. So unelse it gets dragged through the courts. We probably never get the full story.

@Titntin still doesn't explain why all Xbox branding was absent from marketing before launch when they could have added a disclaimer saying it's coming at a later date. Plus PlayStation China heavily marketed it at launch. China is also a newer market for foreign console manufacturers as the ban was lifted in 2015. Sony has heavily invested in the region & see's Microsoft's purchase of ABK as a threat to that investment as Blizzard games are extremely popular on China. So investing in Wu Kong is a no brainer for Sony.

@BacklogBrad the EU mentioned Sony & gaming when they announced the Digital Markets Act. But decided not to act. I wonder if the EU is watching the UK case of gamers that are taking Sony to court for ripping them off.

@Banjo- if found guilty they could be fined 10% of there global income 👍. The EU said they weren't impressed back in June with there progress. Plus Microsoft & Epic have also been vocal. So can't see them getting away with it.

@NattyKing why. With Microsoft expanding Xbox onto pretty much any device that allows you to buy games, stream them via Games Pass or XCloud via WiFi? Why would Sony not want to make a bit of money of that.

@Banjo- I heard that. Epic & Microsoft complained that Apple isn't playing ball to the EU. So another investigation has been opened. According to the BBC.

The European Commission has opened another investigation into Apple regarding new contractual terms for developers.

This focuses on three main areas:

A fee of €0.50 (£0.42) which Apple charges developers for every app downloaded outside of Apple's App Store

The number of steps which Apple puts in place for users who want to download apps from alternative stores

Whether Apple's eligibility criteria for alternative app store developers breaches the Digital Market Act.

@BacklogBrad in the EU. Apple, Amazon, Google & Microsoft are classed as Gatekeepers. So have been forced to open up in accordance of the Digital Market Act. It's why Xbox looks to be opening up next gen. Sony PlayStation revenue falls in line with it's scrutiny if it goes all digital in the future. Nintendo doesn't make enough revenue. So goes under the radar in the EU.

@BIG3 Europe have already sorted the payment issue with the Digital Market Act. Which Google is named gatekeeper. As that's how Microsoft, Epic are planning to opening app stores on both IOS & Android.

@BacklogBrad id play Helldivers 2 to death if it came to Xbox. As love it on my PS5. Got Starship Troopers on pre order for Xbox also 👍

@Titntin aye!!! I can see it now. If Xbox survives the next gen? It will give Sony the excuse to remaster all there games again for there Xbox debut 😅😅😅.

@Ken_Kaniff I agree 100%. I just hope Microsoft having games now & the prospect of a handheld helps Xbox's fortune next gen.

@Ken_Kaniff to many like myself. More players playing isn't a problem. But looking at how Sony acts now with Xbox struggling. Could you imagine what they will do when Microsofts multiplatform strategy kills the Xbox console for good. As I see the next one as the last one to be fair.

@Fiendish-Beaver to be fair I have been here with a few Microsoft consumer products. The minute Microsoft plays nice to the competition & shares. It tends to be GAME OVER!!! to there hardware specially with Nadella at the helm.

@OldGamer999 they are indeed & with all the products they've produced over the years an advertising team firing on full cylinders would pay for themselves & give them more. As a lot of products were better than the competition. But then Microsoft never really recovered after there antitrust case plus other legal fights in the US & EU in the 80/90's

@OldGamer999 that's why I laugh when Sataya Nadella complains about abandoning mobile. They never learn. All there consumer products fail as they never advertise. Zune, Windows Phone, Windows VR & now Xbox. Most were descent products but the lack of advertising compared to there competitors sank them all.

If it was just the change to Unreal 5? I'd say no. But the whole studio has been been rebranded to Halo Studio. Which if it was just for the benefit of Xbox users would be pointless as we all know that was 343. So makes sense it's been rebranded for a multiplatform release in the future.
Halo CE remake could be the first Playstation game while Xbox/PC gets Halo 7 as exclusive till the rest are remade.

I wonder if Nintendo will look into Astro Bot next.

If anything. The PlayStation Pro is probably £699 because of Microsoft. They probably added an extra 1TB SSD to compete with the new Xbox Series X & reconned if Microsoft can price it £599 with nothing new. Then we will get away with a refresh for £699.

Aye if the PS5 Pro & the 2tb Xbox Series X are at £600-800 full spec of course. What will the biggest tech leap be for the next Xbox cost. Looks like I'll be a PC gamer next gen if the Xbox handheld isn't £499. PS5 will be my last PlayStation as even with the odd 1st/3rd party games that I've bought. It hasn't really been worth it.

@elpardo1984 your probably correct. But I suspect Microsoft would want one the latest big Final Fantasy titles in Games Pass & Pixel collection would be the cheapest. But im sure we will learn more at the Tokyo Gameshow.

I could see Square Enix seeking Games Pass funding for smaller budget titles like Dragon Quest Builders, FF Pixel Remaster collection, Tactics Ogre Reborn, Valkyrie Elysium, Star Ocean the Second Story etc. Which would give Games Pass a steady stream of japanese games.
But sell heavy hitters like Final Fantasy 7 remake, 16 & future titles at full price.

@Banjo- it be interesting to see what Ghostwire Tokyo's director Ikumi Nakamura new studio is making also. As if both Mikami & Nakamura make similar games to what they did at Tango. It would prove they left due to both Bethesda & Microsoft involvement.

Like I said before I think Microsoft were excited at the prospect of owning a Japanese studio. They said it many times. But once the Bethesda acquisition was announced. The only Bethesda studio to not put out a statement that they looked forward to being part of the family was...Tango Gameworks. Then the producer of Ghostwire Tokyo who Mikami said would be perfect to run the studio when he retires leaves. To be fair I said it be a hard studio to manage due to Xbox's niche popularity in Japan. The original prospect of your games being exclusive to less than 1% of your home audience always made it a hard sell to its workers. I guess by the time Microsoft decided to go 3rd party with certain titles it was to late. Good people were gone. Mikami even said it himself that he thought they'd be safe making HiFi Rush sequels. I don't believe he believes that. He may have got assurance from Phil before Microsoft fully took over. But he also made it clear he was leaving to retire but is creating a new studio.

@Sol4ris I'm sure we will get more news to this ongoing saga.
As for Concords failure. Will it lead to another shift in policy within PlayStation when it comes to 1st/3rd party exclusives.

@Mustoe all that means nothing if the bulk of the PlayStation community don't buy it.

@FatalBubbles all they said was that the Xbox series of consoles version requires further optimisation. Which would be true if they did a deal with Sony to prioritize the PS5 version. As they'd halt work on the Xbox port. Or there is a memory leak which would effect both consoles. Your the one blaming the Series S.

@NostromoXP me too. I've enjoyed having a good selection of japanese titles on Xbox again 👍

@andrewsqual you talk about exclusive deals from scummy Sony but call Phil slimy 😅😅😅. I don't know what the hold up is? ask Square Enix 😅😅😅.
Crisis Core Reunion sold like ass on Nintendo Switch as well. But again like I said before. Who is gonna buy a prequel to the FF7 trilogy on Xbox/Switch if you need a PS5 to finish it 😅😅😅. So it was obvious it was gonna sell on PlayStation.

I expect we may see Square Enix's multiplatform Xbox strategy unfold 😀. A few surprises would be nice. As hiring Mena Sato Kato could be a stroke of genius.

@PsBoxSwitchOwner probably till someone else claims something else I guess 😂😂. Let's see what next week brings lol.

@FatalBubbles to be fair there whole strategy has changed since Jim Ryan got the boot. So why that wouldn't mean the way they do exclusive deals wouldn't change either. Specially after the exposure the deals got during the ABK trails. But Like I said before Sony has invested a lot lately into the Chinese market. Microsoft got a foothold owning Blizzard. It's a relatively new market with lots of potential for growth. But then others have just said the sources are pulling back. Now saying it's not the case so who knows.

@FatalBubbles if they can stay quiet about buying content exclusively when before they used to weaponise it. Then why would they not do the same with games. Specifically if they get them to sign a deal to say otherwise. Maybe what Game Science said isn't wrong that the game needs extra optimisation as they had to push the Xbox version to aside while they prioritize the PlayStation due to the deal they signed.

@Mustoe the old Sony. Pre ABK deal would. But now after it's exclusive deals came under scrutiny during the FTC, CMA trails. I can see them being a bit more secretive about it to avoid getting pulled up by regulators themselves. As even American Congress questioned it's dominance in Asia.

@FatalBubbles they have kept quiet about have exclusive content to Sonic X Shadow Generations. Sega responded to a rumour. They confirmed PlayStation versions would come with an exclusive prequel anime.

@themightyant depends on when Sony did the deal I guess. Plus people aren't looking at the bigger picture as the Chinese market to outside competition is relatively a new market. A ban was lifted in 2015. So the prospect for growth is huge. But also competition started evenly for Nintendo, Sony & Microsoft. It's estimated worth is $42.6 billion. Sony has also pledged aggressive growth in entertainment in the region. It has exclusive deals with publishers like Genshin Impacts MiHoYo Co Ltd. Stellar Blade also this year. It also has China Hero Project & regularly shows up at Chinese game events. So Sony has invested a lot in the region. Another thing people forget is the ABK deal. Blizzard games are extremely popular in China. Add all Xbox/PC Blizzard games into Games Pass now they have returned to the region. It's a win for Microsoft. We also have Playstation pivot in strategy since the ABK deal. I didn't see Sony scream from the rooftops it has exclusive content for the new Sonic X Shadow Generations. I haven't seen any Sony advertising also but Sega confirmed Playstation versions have an exclusive anime. So maybe a new strategy after the attention it received from the ABK trails. As the American government questioned there dominance. So buying up exclusive rites last minute to a potential game changer in China isn't out of the question.