@fatpunkslim it’s still dev cost and the main point is that it’s super expensive. On top of that the amount of tams that used unreal has went from 6/7 to 2 so would imagine a lot of the internal systems they spent time working on are probably worthless now. To me at least the main point is that AAA development in North America is too expensive now this isn’t just an Xbox issue but one thing that is mainly only an Xbox issue is the fact that they’re a huge blockbuster games release day one on game pass, and they lose revenue from that which is a problem they’re spending so much to make them.

Exactly. Still shows the inflated cost of AAA development mainly in North America. To be clear this isn’t just an Xbox issue. But will say one thing that affects mainly only affects Xbox is having their super expensive AAA games launch on game pass day one taking away a huge chunk of revenue from a full purchase which on top of the increasing development cost certainly doesn’t help.

Mean does it really change the overall point of the conversation?

@Banjo- e day sales are estimates but with all the info we have including the steam player count it’s not the best light. Those 3 games underperformed because while they reviewed well enough it wasn’t good enough to sell copies. They were mostly middling like Wolverine. They underperformed cause the market is stacked with great games and they weren’t that great. Even Xbox’s better games last year like outer worlds 2 and doom dark ages underperformed cause while they absolutely are good games with certain great elements they weren’t good enough to fully stand out. Most of Xbox’s this generation haven’t been that great or mind blowing besides pentiment, Indiana jones, the Forza Horizon games and now e day. I love Indiana jones and while it actually delivered on the critical front it’s announcement and release cycle was weakened cause of the ps5 reveal. Think a big part of the softer sales of Xbox games on ps5 is cause of delayed staggered releases which does hurt sales cause games get their biggest pop at release. The other reason is cause when the games do have a simultaneous release those games weren’t great enough to move the needle in general let alone when they are on game pass.

@Banjo- the sales and the critical reception shows this.

@Banjo- no they didn’t. They reviewed decently not great. The main games they released on ps5 mainly underperformed besides for sea of thieves and horizon 5 cause they either were decent but not great or they were delayed releases. E day was different cause it’s a major AAA exclusive and it reviewed very well. Yes it’s on game pass but even still the reported sales numbers are horrible.

@Banjo- would say the biggest problem is there games under performing even when they review very well. Yes it’s going to take time for Xbox to repair their image and exclusives are needed but how long of a runway are they going to have?

Damn good list

@Boogaloo_Jenkins have you not seen even the best most efficient studios working today needing at least 4-5 years for release? 4-5 years is the new norm.

@Kaloudz know it’s not the same just think that Xbox has so many ip that are wasting away the last thing they need is more. Fully agree with the last part of focusing on what they have right now.

@Boogaloo_Jenkins literally normal game development…

@Trojan Sony has their own issues but at least when they do a physical release they do it right and include a fully playable build on disc.

@fatpunkslim Xbox is not committed to physical media at least not yet. If they were they would make sure all of their single player games would be on disc and include 2nd and 3rd discs. They would make Xbox’s work with 100 GBs discs instead of the limited 50 GBs ones they have now. They would reprint games fully on disc. The amount of fully on disc Xbox 1st party games is minuscule. Literally one of Xbox’s best 1st party games this generation with Indiana jones only has a proper physical release on the switch 2. Until Xbox does all of this and more with physical releases they do not give a F U C K about physical media and don’t lie too yourself thinking otherwise

@zanlyons hellblade 2 is a glorified tech demo with hardly any gameplay.

Xbox caused this and ran ninja theory into the damn ground. The most prime example of you don’t get bought out by Xbox.

Low key kinda want too see galactic racer win best racing sports game. Forza horizon 6 is an amazing game but they are the cod or mk of racing games in the sense of they have an amazing formula and stick too it. Think galactic racer is doing actual new unique things for the racing genre and will push Forza horizon and playground a bit.

Would say it can’t get much worse for halo under halo studios but also activison but out Black ops 7 last year….not great but can’t hurt for the change

@Shinato2024 LOL the MW4 beta did not perform well. Bad player counts and horrible reception. Infinity Ward had no idea what the hell they want too do with this game. Also it doesn’t matter that BO7 was a “stop gap game” Activison still felt comfortable releasing that pile of crap and now they have halo under them? Like I said Halo studios is dogshit but as of right now Activison is just crap.

Mean on one hand Halo Studios is a horrible studio and has ran halo into the ground….but on the other hand Activison is also kinda S H I T right now after Black Ops 7 and Modern Warfare 4 also isn’t in a good spot either…. So I don’t really know how this is gonna go. Maybe giving Activison and the cod devs a fresh start with halo might be great but also like I said and something needed to be done with Halo. Idk hope for the best but I anticipate the worst. It is Xbox after all

@ValentineMeikin lol yes Nintendo is being laughed right too the bank with how much money they are gonna make on ocarina of time remake.

God I hope this is true. Would be best for Xbox and would also incentivize to make higher quality games which they have had a problem with this generation which is disappointing considering how many studios they bought.

@BacklogBrad just cause it’s “the gaming subscription” doesn’t make it a success, almost like the entire subscription streaming service for games idea doesn’t work.

Because gaming is a different medium than tv.

It’s really gonna be Ocarina of Time vs GTA 6 for GOTY. This game I swear is the most unified I think we will ever see all the dumb console fanboys. It’s truly beautiful.

@oopsiezz mean yes but also games are going to have to be released afterwards

Absolutely the right call. It can absolutely go toe to toe with GOW Laufey, Tomb Raider, and metro. Know fable is pretty much a new ip in all sense with this being a reboot but if it lives up to all the footage shown so far it’s going to hit hard

Seems like this will finally be the AAA game Xbox 1st party studios can fully deliver on

@Kang81 lol not with Xbox. Let’s not act like Xbox cares about physical media at all with their BS physical releases and the series x only supporting 50 gb discs.

@Gabrie NeSsAcRy

On one hand I love seeing new unique twists on established genres and game ideas especially from brand new studios. But the last thing I need is another good looking game to be coming out in this 3 month window.

This is why Xbox needs to get better with physical releases. Besides a few most of Xbox’s first party games have been dog s h I t physical releases with hardly no game being fully on disc.

All the dumb fanboys using the psn outage last week in gonna need yall to eat a big plate of crow.

Will also say Xbox can F itself for not doing a proper physical release with the game being fully on disc when it’s only 69 GB. If xbox and halo fanboys are gonna use this as a gotcha against Sony at least hold Xbox’s feet to the fire to do a proper physical release with the game fully on disc.

Seems like a good remake with some more controversial changes that some fans might nit pick. Score seems right. Just wish Xbox would stop with their BS physical releases. The game is only 69 GBs and it’s not even fully on disc for ps5. I’m going to need all the Xbox and halo fans using halo CE getting a physical release as a gotcha to be on Xbox’s butt about their terrible physical releases.

Seems like a good overall remake. Will say people bringing up ME legendary edition dropping the coop mode is overlooking the shear importance that mp has too halo.

Xbox can seriously go F itself for this physical release. Only a 69 gb (Nice) game file and these lazy F’s still can fully put the game on disc for PS5??? I jokingly said for the switch 2 release it’ll be fully on card like Indiana Jones and Oblivion remastered are but it’s seriously likely the only chance at a proper physical release will be on switch 2. It’s also sad and pathetic seeing all the halo and Xbox fans clowning on Sony (right so as well) for getting rid of physical games and yet accepting this BS. F Xbox.

@Mr-Cage lol delusion

Not shocking. Game pass has greatly hurt Xbox

Glad the expansion is good but GOTY really?? Why are we telling lies here?

@Fiendish-Beaver besides that, if they wanted to combine engine teams with say id tech and cod then do that and not fire some of the most talented people in the industry. Cod’s engine at base level is id tech based.

@Millionski yes cause ID had 14 layers of management… don’t believe all the BS you hear.

@Fiendish-Beaver Xbox is ran by idiots

@Fiendish-Beaver hard to make more dlc when 136 people which is over 75% of your studio get fired. * Xbox.

All the while firing more than half of the studio that made the game. * * * * you xbox

@Banjo- don’t think for a minute that Xbox can’t pull the same BS