It seems far less likely to me at this point, especially after Phil’s interview where his comments on it were they are still trying to work hard on it but it’s not their only strategy.
I actually thought High On Life was pretty good and worthy of higher than 67. On the other hand I didn’t enjoy HiFi nearly as much as most people apparently would have it nowhere near the mid to high 80s.
My point being, a metacritic score isn’t the end all be all but obviously the higher the score, the higher the odds it will be better received by players.
@SplooshDmg I don’t know if it’s the worst game, but I totally agree about disregarding GamePass. I think GamePass has done a fantastic job of convincing people that games are “free” and if they’re bad then “oh well, I didn’t pay for it”. That mindset is like a get out to jail free card which can (will?) lead to mediocre games down the road.
His interview has been twisted six ways to Sunday to write clickbait articles and fit a narrative.
What he said here is correct. PS5 has such a huge market share that a handful of huge games isn’t going to make them the market leader. Maybe over time they slowly get some market share back but it seems like they don’t see that as viable so switched course completely.
Disclaimer; I think Phil has done a bad job getting good games out but the strawman and lies about this interview annoy me to no end.
@Sol4ris All Phil does is give PR speak. He’s been promising games for years now. Feel bad anyone still takes him at his word. I’ve defended Xbox to PS friends doe the last couple years but I’ve got nothing left to defend.
@Tharsman I’m sorry but that’s not how this works. Whoever is at the top is responsible. So if there is someone under Phil (like you’re suggesting) who isn’t getting the job done, that falls on Phil. So if he is unable to manage his people to get the job done, he should go.
I think it’s time for Phil to go. He seems like a good dude to hang out with but his ability to be in charge of studios producing a good product is terrible.
@SplooshDmg @Nestalgia Well, to be fair, SE goal is to make money. Their shareholders aren’t interested in them making a game for a smaller market share.
I guess I’ve always considered GoW reboots an action light RPG, which seems to differ with you guys. But at the end of the day, I just want good, fun games. I loved GoW so if FF16 is down that road I imagine I will lobe this too.
I do feel bad that a series you guys clearly are invested in is diverging from what you want it to be though.
@NEStalgia Interestingly I saw this gameplay awhile back and had zero interest in it. The strategy type games like this, similar to FF Tactics, have never done anything for me. Which is saying something since I believe I’ve played almost all of the FF entries.
I know it seems you’re really against the new FF game, but I can’t wait, think it looks incredibly fun. I think it just comes down to your definition of RPG is not being fulfilled in FF16 so you’re not into it, which is fine.
I just don’t understand how this game is such a train wreck. Basically unlimited funds, a year delay to “give us a polished game” and we get this, so frustrating.
This is very disappointing. I don’t know what’s happening with management of studios under MS but they need to make some changes. Phil seems like a decent guy but they have struggled mightily under him to get games out and have them be good. Thank goodness I’m playing these on GamePass and not paying full price. Fingers crossed that Starfield is a banger.
@NEStalgia @mousieone I see where you’re coming from. You aren’t really a fan of action RPG, GoW for example. Or perhaps you just don’t even consider an ARPG an RPG.
Im not really tied down a specific definition of RPG, appreciate your take on it though. I do agree that an ARPG lacks the building up from nothing character you spoke of.
I think for me an RPG is just having a character you build up, whether from nothing or semi formidable. Picking skills and such that want to have that character use. Outside of that I’m open to a broad scope of activities.
Unfortunately I think the intricate details you mentioned are probably a thing of the past because people don’t have the patience/interest in all of that anymore so devs shy away from it. People want that instant gratification so resource management, slower progression are going the way of the dinosaur.
Thanks for the back and forth and providing your opinions.
@NEStalgia I sort of see what you mean, what RPG elements are you wanting to see that you haven’t? It will 100% have a skill tree, summons, etc. It’s definitely an action heavy game, no doubt about it.
@mousieone I was just curious, it looks like a FF game to me with action combat. I think there were 9 entries prior to PS2, I don’t think those could have been anything but turn based with what the PS1 could do. Once the 360/PS2 came around, they could do some more stuff, like you see them start to transition with 10 and most certainly 12. So to me, anything prior to that second gen of consoles they were kind of stuck IMO.
@NEStalgia I think the turn based games were restricted by the times when they came out, a fleshed out open world RPG action game wasn’t doable back then, or at least I can’t think of any. I don’t dislike turn based JRPGs at all, some of my fondest memories are those but I think they do feel restrictive and dated now.
I’m not sure why Final Fantasy has to be tied to any certain thing though. Games evolve as time passes, so I think there is no “Final Fantasy” model they have to adhere to. They’ve had so many different settings, characters types, etc. If they were all sequels I could understand the desire for them to be samey but they’ve almost always had a different cast and story. Just my $0.02.
@NEStalgia I am trying to understand this FF thing and just don’t get it? Are you wanting a 2001 style turn based JRPG or what are you looking for? Gigantic open world with not much in it?
Was an excellent game when I played it in 2018. I’m not sure how it would hold up now without a performance mode. Story was very good, and the live action is very unique.
@mousieone I’ve bought three Series X and two PS5 so far. One of each for myself and the others for friends who couldn’t find them. It seems like I’ve had good luck.
@Trmn8r A deflection would be to talk about something different, which I did not do. I reference both the video and the games I listed you ignored. If anything, you’re now trying to evade.
I get it, you like Xbox a lot and want to defend it. No problem.
@Trmn8r Not sure if you’re looking for a ton of links or what but examples include; Ghostwire Tokyo, RE4, Hogwarts Legacy, Callisto Protocol, TW3, etc.
Here is a link to a YT video showing some examples of games.
@Trmn8r This is as of June 2022. The script has flipped since then. DF has done many games since then and usually the PS5 version is better. For whatever reason, Xbox has struggled in the past 10 months or so.
@GamingFan4Lyf I had also wondered if the PS5 architecture is somehow easier to work with? Xbox should be running some form of windows though, right? If so, why on earth does it have these issues???
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Re: Redfall Dev Reveals Sadness Over 'Mean Spirited' Feedback From Peers
@NEStalgia I also wondered this, I’m assuming what she is talking about is not public? I haven’t seen anything like that.
Re: Xbox Series X|S Arctic Camo Controller Appears On Microsoft Store
Yay, another controller that is still light years behind.
Re: Talking Point: Are You Hoping Xbox's 'Gears Collection' Is Real?
Not really interested. Would rather get Gears 6 sooner.
Re: Poll: Do You Think The Xbox ActiBlizz Deal Will Still Go Ahead?
It seems far less likely to me at this point, especially after Phil’s interview where his comments on it were they are still trying to work hard on it but it’s not their only strategy.
Re: Talking Point: What Do You Think Of Redfall So Far?
@Chaudy Interesting stuff, thanks for posting.
I actually thought High On Life was pretty good and worthy of higher than 67. On the other hand I didn’t enjoy HiFi nearly as much as most people apparently would have it nowhere near the mid to high 80s.
My point being, a metacritic score isn’t the end all be all but obviously the higher the score, the higher the odds it will be better received by players.
Re: Talking Point: What Do You Think Of Redfall So Far?
@SplooshDmg I would vote for Babylon’s Fall as the worst $70 game.
Re: Talking Point: What Do You Think Of Redfall So Far?
@SplooshDmg I don’t know if it’s the worst game, but I totally agree about disregarding GamePass. I think GamePass has done a fantastic job of convincing people that games are “free” and if they’re bad then “oh well, I didn’t pay for it”. That mindset is like a get out to jail free card which can (will?) lead to mediocre games down the road.
Re: Talking Point: What Do You Think Of Redfall So Far?
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Re: Microsoft Reckons It 'Lost The Worst Generation To Lose' With Xbox One
@NEStalgia I want Pure Xbox to confirm for us if you type more words than everyone else together. Make it happen.
Re: Microsoft Reckons It 'Lost The Worst Generation To Lose' With Xbox One
His interview has been twisted six ways to Sunday to write clickbait articles and fit a narrative.
What he said here is correct. PS5 has such a huge market share that a handful of huge games isn’t going to make them the market leader. Maybe over time they slowly get some market share back but it seems like they don’t see that as viable so switched course completely.
Disclaimer; I think Phil has done a bad job getting good games out but the strawman and lies about this interview annoy me to no end.
Re: Xbox Boss Insists Microsoft Will Deliver A Packed Schedule Of Releases
@Sol4ris Nothing you said is wrong, I’m just tired of hearing him say it with no pay off. Just frustrating, I dunno.
Re: Xbox Boss Insists Microsoft Will Deliver A Packed Schedule Of Releases
@Sol4ris All Phil does is give PR speak. He’s been promising games for years now. Feel bad anyone still takes him at his word. I’ve defended Xbox to PS friends doe the last couple years but I’ve got nothing left to defend.
Re: Phil Spencer Says Xbox 'Needs To Improve' Its Development Process
@Tharsman I’m sorry but that’s not how this works. Whoever is at the top is responsible. So if there is someone under Phil (like you’re suggesting) who isn’t getting the job done, that falls on Phil. So if he is unable to manage his people to get the job done, he should go.
Re: Phil Spencer Says Xbox 'Needs To Improve' Its Development Process
I think it’s time for Phil to go. He seems like a good dude to hang out with but his ability to be in charge of studios producing a good product is terrible.
Re: Marvel's Midnight Suns Brings 'Excellent Tactical Action' To Xbox One This Month
@NEStalgia BoTW certainly not RPG, I was just bringing that up because Sploosh said you’d be into it. 😀
Re: Marvel's Midnight Suns Brings 'Excellent Tactical Action' To Xbox One This Month
@SplooshDmg Just to cause you guys more angst, I thought BoTW was awful and quit after about 8 hours. 😬
Re: Marvel's Midnight Suns Brings 'Excellent Tactical Action' To Xbox One This Month
@SplooshDmg @Nestalgia Well, to be fair, SE goal is to make money. Their shareholders aren’t interested in them making a game for a smaller market share.
I guess I’ve always considered GoW reboots an action light RPG, which seems to differ with you guys. But at the end of the day, I just want good, fun games. I loved GoW so if FF16 is down that road I imagine I will lobe this too.
I do feel bad that a series you guys clearly are invested in is diverging from what you want it to be though.
Re: Marvel's Midnight Suns Brings 'Excellent Tactical Action' To Xbox One This Month
@SplooshDmg Haha. I just think RPG is a broad scope and we might be looking at that in different ways. It’s not a bad thing, just different opinions.
Re: Microsoft Says To Expect 'New Surprises And First-Looks' From Xbox Games Showcase 2023
@LX_FENIX It hurts to see comments like this because it’s true. 😞
Re: Marvel's Midnight Suns Brings 'Excellent Tactical Action' To Xbox One This Month
@NEStalgia Interestingly I saw this gameplay awhile back and had zero interest in it. The strategy type games like this, similar to FF Tactics, have never done anything for me. Which is saying something since I believe I’ve played almost all of the FF entries.
I know it seems you’re really against the new FF game, but I can’t wait, think it looks incredibly fun. I think it just comes down to your definition of RPG is not being fulfilled in FF16 so you’re not into it, which is fine.
Re: Random: Redfall Players Are Encountering Some Hilarious Glitches On Xbox
I just don’t understand how this game is such a train wreck. Basically unlimited funds, a year delay to “give us a polished game” and we get this, so frustrating.
Re: Review: Redfall - Arkane's Undead Experiment Brings Mixed Results To Xbox Game Pass
@SplooshDmg 😂😂😂
Re: Review: Redfall - Arkane's Undead Experiment Brings Mixed Results To Xbox Game Pass
@SplooshDmg Is this why you were threatened with a cage?
Re: Review: Redfall - Arkane's Undead Experiment Brings Mixed Results To Xbox Game Pass
This is very disappointing. I don’t know what’s happening with management of studios under MS but they need to make some changes. Phil seems like a decent guy but they have struggled mightily under him to get games out and have them be good. Thank goodness I’m playing these on GamePass and not paying full price. Fingers crossed that Starfield is a banger.
Re: Xbox Game Pass Players Are 'Heading For New Zealand' To Play Redfall Early
@NEStalgia @mousieone I see where you’re coming from. You aren’t really a fan of action RPG, GoW for example. Or perhaps you just don’t even consider an ARPG an RPG.
Im not really tied down a specific definition of RPG, appreciate your take on it though. I do agree that an ARPG lacks the building up from nothing character you spoke of.
I think for me an RPG is just having a character you build up, whether from nothing or semi formidable. Picking skills and such that want to have that character use. Outside of that I’m open to a broad scope of activities.
Unfortunately I think the intricate details you mentioned are probably a thing of the past because people don’t have the patience/interest in all of that anymore so devs shy away from it. People want that instant gratification so resource management, slower progression are going the way of the dinosaur.
Thanks for the back and forth and providing your opinions.
Re: Xbox Game Pass Players Are 'Heading For New Zealand' To Play Redfall Early
@NEStalgia I sort of see what you mean, what RPG elements are you wanting to see that you haven’t? It will 100% have a skill tree, summons, etc. It’s definitely an action heavy game, no doubt about it.
@mousieone I was just curious, it looks like a FF game to me with action combat. I think there were 9 entries prior to PS2, I don’t think those could have been anything but turn based with what the PS1 could do. Once the 360/PS2 came around, they could do some more stuff, like you see them start to transition with 10 and most certainly 12. So to me, anything prior to that second gen of consoles they were kind of stuck IMO.
Re: Xbox Game Pass Players Are 'Heading For New Zealand' To Play Redfall Early
@NEStalgia I think the turn based games were restricted by the times when they came out, a fleshed out open world RPG action game wasn’t doable back then, or at least I can’t think of any. I don’t dislike turn based JRPGs at all, some of my fondest memories are those but I think they do feel restrictive and dated now.
I’m not sure why Final Fantasy has to be tied to any certain thing though. Games evolve as time passes, so I think there is no “Final Fantasy” model they have to adhere to. They’ve had so many different settings, characters types, etc. If they were all sequels I could understand the desire for them to be samey but they’ve almost always had a different cast and story. Just my $0.02.
Re: Xbox Game Pass Players Are 'Heading For New Zealand' To Play Redfall Early
@NEStalgia I am trying to understand this FF thing and just don’t get it? Are you wanting a 2001 style turn based JRPG or what are you looking for? Gigantic open world with not much in it?
Re: Quantum Break Returns To Xbox Game Pass Following Brief Absence
Was an excellent game when I played it in 2018. I’m not sure how it would hold up now without a performance mode. Story was very good, and the live action is very unique.
Re: Xbox Gaming Revenue Down 4% YoY In Latest Earnings Report
@Romans12 Yes, falsifying financial records is jail time, fines, etc. I’m 36.
Re: Xbox Gaming Revenue Down 4% YoY In Latest Earnings Report
@Romans12
https://www.vgchartz.com/
Re: Xbox Gaming Revenue Down 4% YoY In Latest Earnings Report
@Romans12 Sony has to report numbers to their shareholders. That’s not something you can lie about. Jail time for falsifying financial records…
Subscriptions are the deal for Xbox, not Sony.
Re: Xbox's Activision Blizzard Deal Officially Blocked In The UK
@Widey85 I follow now, thanks for clarifying. That 70% is based on console sales.
By buying all the publishers, studios, etc, MS is hoping to gain some market share in the “high end” I would assume.
Re: Xbox Gaming Revenue Down 4% YoY In Latest Earnings Report
@Romans12 This couldn’t be father from the truth. PS5 sales are up ridiculous amount compared to last year because stock shortage is over.
Re: Xbox's Activision Blizzard Deal Officially Blocked In The UK
@Widey85 What do you mean by monopolistic? Console sales?
I would argue that monopolistic is what MS is attempting to do by buying up studios and publishers, no?
Re: Talking Point: Would You Leave Xbox Game Pass If Microsoft Removed Its Exclusives?
100%. Only reason I sub.
Re: Rumour: Xbox Exclusive Hi-Fi RUSH 'Didn't Make The Money It Needed To Make'
@NEStalgia I like the way you think.
Re: Rumour: Xbox Exclusive Hi-Fi RUSH 'Didn't Make The Money It Needed To Make'
@mousieone I don’t need one at the moment but for future reference we talking like 50/50 split or…
Re: Rumour: Xbox Exclusive Hi-Fi RUSH 'Didn't Make The Money It Needed To Make'
@mousieone So you aggressively want to buy me a PS5, the plot thickens!
Re: Rumour: Xbox Exclusive Hi-Fi RUSH 'Didn't Make The Money It Needed To Make'
@SplooshDmg Haha. I was just reporting on my local stock situations. A strange topic to trigger someone
Re: Rumour: Xbox Exclusive Hi-Fi RUSH 'Didn't Make The Money It Needed To Make'
@mousieone Thanks, I think? Seems like a passive aggressive shot at me but whatever. Lol.
Re: Rumour: Xbox Exclusive Hi-Fi RUSH 'Didn't Make The Money It Needed To Make'
@mousieone I’ve bought three Series X and two PS5 so far. One of each for myself and the others for friends who couldn’t find them. It seems like I’ve had good luck.
Re: Rumour: Xbox Exclusive Hi-Fi RUSH 'Didn't Make The Money It Needed To Make'
@Tharsman Wild! I never see PS5s here but always can find Xbox. Must be a regional thing.
Re: Rumour: Xbox Exclusive Hi-Fi RUSH 'Didn't Make The Money It Needed To Make'
@Tharsman Are there really stock issues where you are? For months now my local Walmart and GameStop have had consoles available in store at all times.
Re: Ghostwire: Tokyo's Xbox Version Described As 'Big Disappointment' In Digital Foundry Tech Review
@Trmn8r Nothing I said was incorrect. Just have to scroll through your comments. Have a good one.
Re: Ghostwire: Tokyo's Xbox Version Described As 'Big Disappointment' In Digital Foundry Tech Review
@Trmn8r A deflection would be to talk about something different, which I did not do. I reference both the video and the games I listed you ignored. If anything, you’re now trying to evade.
I get it, you like Xbox a lot and want to defend it. No problem.
Re: Ghostwire: Tokyo's Xbox Version Described As 'Big Disappointment' In Digital Foundry Tech Review
@Trmn8r I’m not sure why I’m even bothering with this since you’re insanely biased but you completely ignored the recent game examples I gave.
The video was just more examples because I didn’t know exactly what you were looking for. There are some newer games in there as well.
Re: Ghostwire: Tokyo's Xbox Version Described As 'Big Disappointment' In Digital Foundry Tech Review
@Trmn8r Not sure if you’re looking for a ton of links or what but examples include; Ghostwire Tokyo, RE4, Hogwarts Legacy, Callisto Protocol, TW3, etc.
Here is a link to a YT video showing some examples of games.
https://youtu.be/UytUMIZ1ACE
Re: Ghostwire: Tokyo's Xbox Version Described As 'Big Disappointment' In Digital Foundry Tech Review
@Trmn8r This is as of June 2022. The script has flipped since then. DF has done many games since then and usually the PS5 version is better. For whatever reason, Xbox has struggled in the past 10 months or so.
Re: Ghostwire: Tokyo's Xbox Version Described As 'Big Disappointment' In Digital Foundry Tech Review
@GamingFan4Lyf I had also wondered if the PS5 architecture is somehow easier to work with? Xbox should be running some form of windows though, right? If so, why on earth does it have these issues???