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Not surprised at all. At the current price level this can't be sustainable for Microsoft (I know they claim it is, but in the end it heavily depends on different assumptions when it comes to accounting and "lost sales").

@themightyant, to be fair, it might just be careful wording. Could be the case that they just don't want people to know "every game will hit the service after six months", so they can announce it twice. Given how much games there are nowadays it's pretty easy to just wait a few months in most cases (plus, if you're patient and don't care about limited/collector's editions, you get most games pretty cheap after a while).

@Blofse, that should remain, yes.

Definitely a loss as the SteamWorld games are great!

Fortunately won’t affect me, prefer to play it on Switch.

And they only needed to purchase two publishers for that.

If it's optional ok, but streaming textures constantly instead of downloading them once? Sounds like an awesome idea for a shooter...

@Sifi and then again we have Hifi Rush, one of the very few great new IPs. There is a reason Phil and others are always vague, they want to have as much flexibility as possible. They opened Pandora's box and those discussions about games coming to PS5 will remain for the foreseeable future.

@Gamer_X, agreed, but at the same time those games aren't financing themselves, especially given the huge increase in development costs over the last years.

If they at least released a controller that is on par with DualSense, so the versions have the same controls.

@Artois2 @Rmg0731, thanks, that I saw, so I didn't miss anything.

Weren't there rumours about a surprise drop at the end of the show? Did I miss anything (didn't have the chance to watch it, just reading the articles)?

Guess that's the hardware they were announcing for later this year. Rather disappointing, now they will have five (?) different models. While I won't buy a PS5 anytime soon, having one SKU with an option to upgrade seems a smarter move (and less of a headache for everyone involved).

I just hope they won’t get rid of EA Play instead.

Let's see how much of Xbox as a console is still remaining when this game comes out for the next generation...

The fact that Phil is pretty much the last person we hear about the future of XBox these days is rather telling (and imo definitely not a good sign for the future of the platform).

Of course it makes sense to bring the games to PS in the short-term, especially with XS being that far behind. But every game is already coming to PC day one and without any exclusives their platform will be left to die. Sony will be happy about the cut they get for every (XBox) game sold on PS.

Rightfully so. Given team green's current track record of messing things up it won't get any easier for EA...

Really wonder when they'll significantly bump up the price of the subscription. No matter how often they claim that Game Pass is sustainable, it all boils down to how they do the accounting of first party games. Also just a matter of time before EA Play will be removed (obviously, yes).

Cheapest on XBox, best on PlayStation.

@K1LLEGAL, FFXVI isn’t a first party game.

Wouldn’t be surprised if Xbox became the budget way to play their games with Game Pass, while you get the better console version elsewhere. Really not a good look that their own games aren't best played on their own hardware.

Any chance anyone is playing Borderlands (specifically Borderlands 2) and can't play online coop with someone else? Was playing with my brother for quite some time, but since a few weeks it doesn't work anymore. Other games still work, so it shouldn't be a general issue...

How about a 60 fps version of the first game (for XBox, PS already has it) in the meantime...

Don't worry @InterceptorAlpha, once their games make the move to PS they'll make sure that it's in a good state

@awp69, Psychonauts, Hi-Fi Rush and Pentiment are multiplatform, Flight Simulator is rather niche and Age of Empires has it's home on PC. So it still looks rather sad.

Thanks to GamePass Xbox is the cheapest console to play first party games, but apparently not the best one lol

@Kaloudz, I also don’t expect it, but you never know.

@RBRTMNZ, that’s why all games also come to PC on day 1. That gives their games a much larger audience than all 1st party PS games on day 1.

@Kaloudz, even if it’s just a handful, if it’s the “wrong handful” they may as well bring all of them over. Imo they have to keep their hands of pretty much all Xbox Game Studios games that have no “proper history” (looking at Minecraft eg) on other platforms. Something like Sea of Thieves is understandable, but if they bring one of the “big franchises” (Gears, Halo, Forza,…) over, you can reasonably expect all games to hit PS at some point.

Beta testing so they can bring the best version to PS 😉

@Banjo-, I am/was also in favour of the merger, but I don't see the issue. The sad reality is, that some companies have far too much power and regulators should have been much more aggressive when it comes to not letting these mergers go through.

If Microsoft were always planning to release Starfield etc on PS, they could or would have said so a long time ago and the whole saga around the merger might have been over much sooner.

But it would be funny if Microsoft went 3rd party publisher very soon, then many fans would prefer the merge to not have gone through and Sony would have never complained.

@awp69, yes, but the point is, if there were absolutely no basis for those rumours, then they would've reacted accordingly. The way Phil reacted makes it rather clear that the rumours aren't that farfetched.

@themightyant, agreed. The main issue that I see is, once you start bringing some games over, where does it stop? Once you open that box, it's impossible to close it again. Porting games to Switch is different, they are not a "direct competitor" like Sony, so you reach people you otherwise might have never reached. But once you start bringing your biggest games to PS, there will always be rumours around every big exclusive that has not yet been announced for PS. Sony would be happy about this, as they get a cut.

@ZuneTattooGuy, once you stop the subscription you are left with nothing when it comes to GamePass. Plus, how many people buy games at full price? GamePass is great to get new games on day 1 (at least in theory day 1, seems like the latest trend is to offer upgrades for early access to make some money), but if you're patient you will almost always find huge discounts. Just not on day 1.

@themightyant, yeah, but my point was, they already have access to a huge install base, but that doesn't help if you're not able to get out games that are good enough.

Regarding Game Pass on PS5, why not try to pull as many people in your own ecosystem so you don't have to worry about whether a competitor allows your subscription service on their platform? My initial thought about the acquisitions was that this way they get content to draw people to their ecosystem, even if it takes time. This was never going to change things from one day to the next, but maybe just with the next gen of consoles. But nowadays you never know how much time companies "get" (from shareholders etc) to let things play out and not focus on short-term results.

@GoldenPants, the cheap conversion is already over now, they changed the "conversion factor" last summer if I remember correctly.

@themightyant, last time I checked Halo Infinite Multiplayer was on PC, so it's not like they go from console only to console + PC, which they have already been doing for quite a while now. Contrary to Sony they release everything day 1 on PC as well.

@Kaloudz, yeah. Let's see, I think once ABK games hit GamePass subs might see a nice jump again. As long as they don't give up on their own console I'm fine anyway.

@Kaloudz, while it's "just a few games", people have complained for years about missing exclusives on Xbox. While should they "immediately" give up on that now that they start having big exclusives?

When it comes to Starfield not moving enough consoles, it's important to keep in mind that everything from Microsoft launches on PC day one, so the same game will never have the same effect on Xbox as it would have on PS.

@Kaloudz, one thing people seem to be forgetting is the fact that the "store owners" get a cut of every game sold. If Microsoft started putting many games on PS now, they'd essentially give up on Xbox and by extension at some point also on their ecosystem to a certain degree. Every game sold via their store gives them a cut, while when they sell the game on Steam or PS, Steam and Sony get a cut. Short-term this would definitely increase their revenue, mid- to long-term? I'm not so sure (as their ecosystem might take a huge hit).

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Imo it's super clear that Zenimax and AB acquisitions are not short-term plays. The most profitable way is to sell their games through their platform where they can keep all the money.

@Kaloudz, they have Hollow Knight: Silksong though and who knows, maybe they add Hades 2 down the line. But both games are "rather cheap" anyway and worth every single penny (at least the first ones, but I have no doubt it'll be the same for the sequels).

Ah, couldn't remember which game had "in due time" as release date. Don't really no idea how to interpret this. Given that other games had 2024, I guess they hope to release it next year, but aren't 100% sure yet. Would really love to try this one (the sooner the better).

If you really want the best performance, you shouldn't be playing non-console-exclusives on consoles. Fortunately all Microsoft games get released on PC the same day.

Please not, after waiting for far too long I just decided to replay the original games.

But yeah, in general it would (have been) awesome to get a collection.

@Godot25 so it sounds more like a Bethesda issue. Still pretty odd. Especially for Ghostwire, as it released a year ago and there was more than enough time to incorporate feedback.

First Ghostwire, now Redfall? On a console player's shouldn't have to adjust the default settings for these things.

Still super annoyed about the lack of splitscreen. Dungeons is awesome in coop on one screen.

Would be great if the article could mention potential licensing issues. Wouldn't be the first game to be delisted and if it's a licensing issue, then Microsoft can't do anything about it.

If this is in fact true, then I hope the game will be on sale again before it gets delisted. Would be a bit annoying to delist it at full price while it seems to be on sale on a regular basis (almost always 75% off, according to Deku Deals). But we'll see.

Why would I subscribe for Ubisoft games when their games are heavily discounted not that long after the release?

@themightyant sorry for the very late reply and thank you! I ended up getting the achievements that I was close to Tuesday afternoon (CET) to be on the safe side. Fortunately I beat the game the weekend before.

@Dezzy70, I'm sure they will after some time, but I feel (not actual proof) that 3rd party games that drop on day 1 at GamePass (and are marketed) usually stay longer than one year. E.g. The Gunk was released 1.5 years ago and it seems like it's not leaving anytime soon. But of course, it's just a feeling from my side (but imo it would make sense).

Can anyone tell me when exactly (aka which time) those games are leaving?

Would be surprised if this version ended up being on GamePass. DLCs are usually not included, but only the base games. Would still be nice if you could just buy the upgrade directly.