The fact that Halo basically only has one spin-off series with just two games is criminal. There's so much they could do with it I'd go crazy for a Halo XCOM type of game
I always rotate most of the games I have. Since I also play on Switch 2 and PS5, I usually have about 15 games (most retro ones) installed on my Series S (512GB) and I still have about 100GB free.
@TrollOfWar Thanks for the data. Always good to get a price on this sort of thing. But I guess I wasn't clear enough. It's not about being profitable or not. It's about how profitable it is. Example: Let's say it cost them $2M to port the game and $500k for marketing and the like. They technically need $2.5M to break even. But how much profit did they expect and how quickly? If they expected $20M in profit in the first quarter of sales, $10M in the first year, or $50M in six months, they are all vastly diffenrent scenarios and some can make the project be a success while others can make it seem like a failure.
I think Sony expected higher numbers on PC and that didn't happen. I can see them making money with some games on Xbox, but I think they'd be fools to ignore the Switch 2. Like it or not, it's on track to surpass 100M. Something it seems Xbox will unfortunately never do.
@Banjo- I appreciate it, and I've done that, buuuuuut it's only a parcial list. Putting the email side by side with the store, shows a bunch of titles on sale missing, unfortunately. Another issue is that since I moved I switched everything in my account to the new region, but the email still shows prices from the old one. It would be an easy fix. Heck, even Nintendo has this on the Switch 2
@Millionski Sure. There's was a leak from Insomniac a couple of years ago. They hacked and got a bunch of stuff from upcoming projects, emails, budgets, sales, etc. Part of it was about 100M for licensing fees to Marvel, for a single game. If memory serves, that fee was high because of the exclusivity. According to their numbers, the games were still highly profitable, but that's a really high fee indeed.
Both Sony and MS announce games too early. Sony's E3 2015 was amazing because it had games releasing up to 2020. But that's the thing, they did eventually release. Even Concord saw the light of day, even if for just a couple of weeks. But I'm gonna be sour about Perfect Dark for a good looooong while. And all these cancellations do have my confidence on a low setting about Xbox 1st party games actually coming out. It's a shame that the gen I finally got an Xbox, it's going to be used mostly as a backwards compatibility machine + some periods of GPU
@Gabrie I've seen a handful of physical games, but they never seem to go on sale. It's weird. But the marketing is zero. No presence whatsoever. It's really weird
@Decimateh I still have my physical version of WC2 from the 90s, but no way to actually play it. There's a website that emulates DOS games on it. Sometimes I drop by to play some WC and Carmen Sandiego
@themightyant On Xbox I don't have that comparison since the SS is my first. On PS I can say that I bought far more games on PS3 than PS4. PS5 is still quite recent, but it's on track to be on the a little lower than the PS4.
@NeoRatt You just proved my point. If defined terminology doesn't matter to someone, they'll just call what they wish. Now, I'll just play a cozy life sim called God of War Ragnarok
@themightyant I haven't bought as many as you and most I bought on Xbox Series were older and/or on sale. The only launch title I actually bought was Hogwarts Legacy. But in terms of numbers, we're the exception, not the rule. The average of games bought per system on any system is surprisingly low.
@NeoRatt Part of the problem, I see, as people not caring about accurate representation. Just like port, remaster and remake. Which according to some people even on this website would mean that the amount of remakes is a surprisingly low number.
Let's use your Perfect Dark example. We have a 1st party owned IP being mainly developed by a 1st party studio with the support (key work, support) from a 3rd party. That's a first party game which can have the added description of having external support.
Let's suppose that Toys for Bob is making Spyro 4. MS owned IP, external studio. Second party.
Things get "complicated" because people start ignoring meaning. At that point, why bother. Just call Black Ops VII a JRPG, Doom an Animal Crossing clone, and the new Perfect Dark a spiritual successor to Superman 64.
Let me ask you this... Is Bayonetta 1st party for Nintendo?
@SMJ Ninja Gainden Dragon Sword for the DS was published by Ubisoft in Europe. So I'd guess it's also a Ubisoft title... Ninja Gaiden is certainly getting around. We might own the IP as well and not even know it
@FraserG So I guess words don't mean anything anymore in this industry. Ports/remasters/remakes and now 1st/2nd/3rd party. Soon enough genres will mean nothing too. "So, this is a first person shooters?" "No, of course not. You play in first person and you shoot a lot, but we like to think of it as a traditional JRPG"
@trev666 and @Millionski I agree that at best it could be called second party
@NeoRatt I have. And since none of them are owned by MS, nor is the IP, they could have 50 studios working on it and it wouldn't change a thing.
@themightyant Spyro is a game none of my PS1-owning friends had. So I only played the remakes. I immediately fell in love. I wanted to try one of the DS ones people say it's actually ok, but the prices were too steep
@Cakefish If the next Xbox integrates Steam, Epic and GOG, I'll be a happy camper. I have a bunch of games (especially on GOG, thanks Amazon), but I don't like gaming on PC. So that would be a great reason to get the next hardware
It might eventually come to Prime Gaming. I'm acutally hopeful they continue their 1st party publishing give aways there. I had only one of the new Wolfenstein games and now I have all of them.
@themightyant I didn't quit, but I still consider Crash to be overrated. Crash hard is more akin to NES Ninja Gaiden hard than a game that's actually well designed with that in mind. Heck! A friend of mine had a PS1 and he'd say any Crash game was waaay better than Mario 64. Since playing Crash I've questioned his sanity. And Spyro is underrated and deserves a new game. Just throwing this out there
@Banjo- I hope they get the price right. I love handheld gaming (I still play on DS and 3DS) and depending on the library and price, portables from Xbox and PS sound quite interesting to me. But if the price is not right and I gotta pick one, that's gonna be tough
@BacklogBrad The big problem is that devs spend so much money making a game, they can't take as many risks as they used to. So games become more of the same, but prettier.
The leap for this gen was held back by the jump in resolution. It takes a lot more horsepower to make the same thing, but in 4k, especially 4k60. We won't have that jump for next gen. And I don't many devs will go crazy on 120fps. So there's great potential for a larger visual leap than this gen had. I just wish there was a significant leap in development and costs involved.
@themightyant I hadn't considered battery life. That's indeed a current impossibility. A breakthrough in this sector is sorely needed. It'd be a whole new tech race if we had affordable batteries that lasted a lot longer and I miss a cool tech race
@Kezelpaso I've given up talking about this to people online, because they'll call your opinion stupid while failing to present their own. I've recently tried for the first time on purexbox and the people who pretend to "know it all" vanished when they had to answer a few simple questions. Alas... I still blame Activision and the Crash trilogy for this mess
I see a hybrid/portable from Xbox and PS facing the same issues.
Scenario 1 - It's the same power level of the PS6/XboxSomething, so the price will be stupidly high, but it'll have tons of games.
Scenario 2 - It's as powerful as a PS5/SeriesX. It'll be more affordable, but it'll stop getting a steady release of games in 2 or 3 years.
The Switch works for Nintendo because of what it offers and the amount of games it gets for a lower price of hardware. I don't see either Xbox or PS being able to replicate that part.
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Re: Xbox Demo Fest Returns Next Week, First Four Games Announced
I dropped out of both Yooka games, but this reimagining seems to be addressing some of my issues. I'll check it out.
Mina the Hollower demo is amazing! I hope it also has 120fps on Series
Re: Deals: Xbox Has Suddenly Put Another 700+ Games On Sale This Week (Sep 2-9)
I've just been on a retro shopping spree and got myself five 360 games
Re: Rumour: Bethesda Is Bringing Another Xbox Game To Switch 2 In 2026
Rare Replay on a cartridge is a dream of mine
South of Midnight as well, please
Re: Halo Is Quietly Having A Resurgence Right Now, And There's A Lot More To Come
@WildConcept6 XCOM is turn based.
Halo Wars is a great step into different gameplay for the series, but they could do so much more
Re: Halo Is Quietly Having A Resurgence Right Now, And There's A Lot More To Come
The fact that Halo basically only has one spin-off series with just two games is criminal. There's so much they could do with it
I'd go crazy for a Halo XCOM type of game
Re: Random: Xbox Fan Installs 1000 Games To See How Much Storage Space They Take Up
I always rotate most of the games I have. Since I also play on Switch 2 and PS5, I usually have about 15 games (most retro ones) installed on my Series S (512GB) and I still have about 100GB free.
Re: Rumour: Sony Is Planning To Bring More PS5 Games To Xbox
@TrollOfWar Thanks for the data. Always good to get a price on this sort of thing.
But I guess I wasn't clear enough. It's not about being profitable or not. It's about how profitable it is.
Example: Let's say it cost them $2M to port the game and $500k for marketing and the like. They technically need $2.5M to break even. But how much profit did they expect and how quickly? If they expected $20M in profit in the first quarter of sales, $10M in the first year, or $50M in six months, they are all vastly diffenrent scenarios and some can make the project be a success while others can make it seem like a failure.
Re: Talking Point: Battlefield 6 Or Black Ops 7, Which Xbox FPS Are You Looking Forward To Most?
I'll get neither right away. But I'll eventually only play the campaign and on that note, Battlefield will likely be the one I play first
Re: Rumour: Sony Is Planning To Bring More PS5 Games To Xbox
I think Sony expected higher numbers on PC and that didn't happen.
I can see them making money with some games on Xbox, but I think they'd be fools to ignore the Switch 2. Like it or not, it's on track to surpass 100M. Something it seems Xbox will unfortunately never do.
Re: Multiple Games Announced For Xbox Following July 2025's Nintendo Direct
@Trmn8r It's S-E... I'm just glad there isn't an equation on the title
Re: Deals: Xbox Summer Sale Gets Even Bigger With 100+ New Discounts
@Banjo- I appreciate it, and I've done that, buuuuuut it's only a parcial list. Putting the email side by side with the store, shows a bunch of titles on sale missing, unfortunately.
Another issue is that since I moved I switched everything in my account to the new region, but the email still shows prices from the old one.
It would be an easy fix. Heck, even Nintendo has this on the Switch 2
Re: Deals: Xbox Summer Sale Gets Even Bigger With 100+ New Discounts
It would be nice to have the option to filter the wishlist to have only games currently on sale.
Re: Talking Point: The Xbox Summer Sale 2025 Is Upon Us, So What Are You Hoping To See?
I would love for the FF XIII trilogy to be on sale. I've been waiting for years and nothing
Re: John Wick Hex Is Being Permanently Delisted On The Xbox Store This Week
They sould get it 90% off and get some revenue before it's over. But...
Re: Microsoft Spends Up To $50m On Xbox Game Pass Partnerships, Says Former Manager
@Kaloudz I hope so too. They did an amazing job that went beyond just their game. They will help shape future RPGs and that's no small feat
Re: Microsoft Spends Up To $50m On Xbox Game Pass Partnerships, Says Former Manager
@Millionski Sure. There's was a leak from Insomniac a couple of years ago. They hacked and got a bunch of stuff from upcoming projects, emails, budgets, sales, etc.
Part of it was about 100M for licensing fees to Marvel, for a single game. If memory serves, that fee was high because of the exclusivity.
According to their numbers, the games were still highly profitable, but that's a really high fee indeed.
Re: Forza Horizon 5 Set To Overtake 2024's Game Of The Year With Over 3 Million Sales On PS5
Great for Forza Horizon 5. It's a great game.
I wish Astro Bot sold better though. Such a fun game
Re: Microsoft Spends Up To $50m On Xbox Game Pass Partnerships, Says Former Manager
@Kaloudz Sony pays 100M+ just to keep Spider-Man out of Xbox and Nintendo. And that was Miles Morales if I recall correctly.
Re: EA Japan GM Comments On Xbox Layoffs, Says Long-In-Development Games 'Deserve To Ship'
Both Sony and MS announce games too early. Sony's E3 2015 was amazing because it had games releasing up to 2020. But that's the thing, they did eventually release. Even Concord saw the light of day, even if for just a couple of weeks.
But I'm gonna be sour about Perfect Dark for a good looooong while. And all these cancellations do have my confidence on a low setting about Xbox 1st party games actually coming out.
It's a shame that the gen I finally got an Xbox, it's going to be used mostly as a backwards compatibility machine + some periods of GPU
Re: Romero Games 'Trying To Fund' Project After Sudden Loss Of Xbox Support, Says Developer
Maybe he should give Nintendo a call. It saved Bayonetta.
Re: Ex Blizzard Boss Thinks Microsoft Should Pick Its Xbox Strategy And 'Stick To It'
Lack of focus can be quite detrimental to a brand. Just ask SEGA.
Re: Microsoft Planning To 'Restructure' Xbox Distribution In Central Europe, Says Report
@Gabrie I've seen a handful of physical games, but they never seem to go on sale. It's weird.
But the marketing is zero. No presence whatsoever. It's really weird
Re: Meta Quest 3S 'Xbox Edition' Launches Today For $399, But You'll Need To Be Quick
People can't claim the product failed for selling too little if it sold 100% of inventory
Re: 'Blood Message' Looks Like Assassin's Creed Meets Tomb Raider, And It's Coming To Xbox
"Blood Message is a narrative-driven, linear action-adventure single-player game"
Already hoping this turns out great and sells well
Re: These 11 Games Are Coming To Xbox Game Pass (June 18 - July 1)
@Decimateh I still have my physical version of WC2 from the 90s, but no way to actually play it. There's a website that emulates DOS games on it. Sometimes I drop by to play some WC and Carmen Sandiego
Re: These 11 Games Are Coming To Xbox Game Pass (June 18 - July 1)
@Decimateh that would be a dream come true!
Re: According To Sales Estimates, Final Fantasy 16 Had A Rough First Week On Xbox
@themightyant On Xbox I don't have that comparison since the SS is my first. On PS I can say that I bought far more games on PS3 than PS4. PS5 is still quite recent, but it's on track to be on the a little lower than the PS4.
Re: 2K Not Following Microsoft & Nintendo With $80 Game Prices, For Now
If the MSRP for GTA VI isn't $79.99 or higher, the whole world will be shocked
Re: Xbox Has Three First-Party Games Coming Out Within 12 Days Of Each Other
@NeoRatt You just proved my point. If defined terminology doesn't matter to someone, they'll just call what they wish. Now, I'll just play a cozy life sim called God of War Ragnarok
Re: According To Sales Estimates, Final Fantasy 16 Had A Rough First Week On Xbox
@themightyant I haven't bought as many as you and most I bought on Xbox Series were older and/or on sale. The only launch title I actually bought was Hogwarts Legacy.
But in terms of numbers, we're the exception, not the rule. The average of games bought per system on any system is surprisingly low.
Re: Xbox Has Three First-Party Games Coming Out Within 12 Days Of Each Other
@NeoRatt Part of the problem, I see, as people not caring about accurate representation. Just like port, remaster and remake. Which according to some people even on this website would mean that the amount of remakes is a surprisingly low number.
Let's use your Perfect Dark example. We have a 1st party owned IP being mainly developed by a 1st party studio with the support (key work, support) from a 3rd party. That's a first party game which can have the added description of having external support.
Let's suppose that Toys for Bob is making Spyro 4. MS owned IP, external studio. Second party.
Things get "complicated" because people start ignoring meaning. At that point, why bother. Just call Black Ops VII a JRPG, Doom an Animal Crossing clone, and the new Perfect Dark a spiritual successor to Superman 64.
Let me ask you this... Is Bayonetta 1st party for Nintendo?
Re: Xbox Has Three First-Party Games Coming Out Within 12 Days Of Each Other
@SMJ Ninja Gainden Dragon Sword for the DS was published by Ubisoft in Europe. So I'd guess it's also a Ubisoft title...
Ninja Gaiden is certainly getting around. We might own the IP as well and not even know it
Re: Xbox Has Three First-Party Games Coming Out Within 12 Days Of Each Other
@NeoRatt That would make it a 2nd party game. Just like the Zelda Oracle games and Minish Cap. 1st party IP, but developed by an external studio.
Re: Xbox Has Three First-Party Games Coming Out Within 12 Days Of Each Other
@FraserG So I guess words don't mean anything anymore in this industry. Ports/remasters/remakes and now 1st/2nd/3rd party.
Soon enough genres will mean nothing too.
"So, this is a first person shooters?"
"No, of course not. You play in first person and you shoot a lot, but we like to think of it as a traditional JRPG"
@trev666 and @Millionski I agree that at best it could be called second party
@NeoRatt I have. And since none of them are owned by MS, nor is the IP, they could have 50 studios working on it and it wouldn't change a thing.
Re: Xbox Has Three First-Party Games Coming Out Within 12 Days Of Each Other
I'm sorry, but why is Ninja Gaiden 4 being counted as 1st party? Xbox is the publisher, but not the developer.
Re: Gears Of War: E-Day Team Shares Message After Missing Xbox Games Showcase 2025
@themightyant I'm still catching up o Gears, maybe I'll be up to date by the time it releases.
But did we get Gears 6?
Re: Opinion: Crash Bandicoot 4 Will Be A Divisive Addition To Xbox Game Pass
@themightyant Spyro is a game none of my PS1-owning friends had. So I only played the remakes. I immediately fell in love. I wanted to try one of the DS ones people say it's actually ok, but the prices were too steep
Re: Two Huge Free Demos Were Added To The Xbox Store Last Night
@Lup I know the feeling. It's a game I've played a bunch at other people's houses back in the day, but never cared to own
Re: Full Specs Revealed For Both Versions Of The 2025 Xbox Handheld
@Cakefish If the next Xbox integrates Steam, Epic and GOG, I'll be a happy camper. I have a bunch of games (especially on GOG, thanks Amazon), but I don't like gaming on PC. So that would be a great reason to get the next hardware
Re: Forza On PS5 Has 'Easily' Made $100 Million For Xbox, Says Analyst
@OldGamer999 Astro Bot on Switch 2 before a 3D Mario game would sell insanely well.
Re: Xbox Is Giving Away Deathloop For Free, But Only The PC Version
It might eventually come to Prime Gaming.
I'm acutally hopeful they continue their 1st party publishing give aways there. I had only one of the new Wolfenstein games and now I have all of them.
Re: Opinion: Crash Bandicoot 4 Will Be A Divisive Addition To Xbox Game Pass
@themightyant I didn't quit, but I still consider Crash to be overrated. Crash hard is more akin to NES Ninja Gaiden hard than a game that's actually well designed with that in mind.
Heck! A friend of mine had a PS1 and he'd say any Crash game was waaay better than Mario 64. Since playing Crash I've questioned his sanity.
And Spyro is underrated and deserves a new game. Just throwing this out there
Re: Xbox's Latest Buy One, Get One Free Sale Features A Random Selection Of 'Retro' Titles
@RetroMan71 The PS360/Wii gen being retro really hurts one's back
Re: When Will The Xbox Summer Sale 2025 Be Revealed?
I've already got about 40 euro saved up in points. I hope they have games from my wishlist listed
I'd love for Pandora Tomorrow to be relisted... I have SC1 and Chaos Theory, but no PT (though I played it all the way back on GameCube)
Re: Report: BioShock Announcement Set For This Summer As 2K Prepares Franchise Return
I just hope it's actually Bioshock and not whatever Infinite and it's DLC (vomit) were.
Re: Xbox's 2027 Handheld Expected To Include Nintendo Switch-Like Docking System
@Banjo- I hope they get the price right. I love handheld gaming (I still play on DS and 3DS) and depending on the library and price, portables from Xbox and PS sound quite interesting to me. But if the price is not right and I gotta pick one, that's gonna be tough
Re: Xbox's 2027 Handheld Expected To Include Nintendo Switch-Like Docking System
@BacklogBrad The big problem is that devs spend so much money making a game, they can't take as many risks as they used to. So games become more of the same, but prettier.
The leap for this gen was held back by the jump in resolution. It takes a lot more horsepower to make the same thing, but in 4k, especially 4k60.
We won't have that jump for next gen. And I don't many devs will go crazy on 120fps. So there's great potential for a larger visual leap than this gen had. I just wish there was a significant leap in development and costs involved.
Re: Xbox's 2027 Handheld Expected To Include Nintendo Switch-Like Docking System
@themightyant I hadn't considered battery life. That's indeed a current impossibility.
A breakthrough in this sector is sorely needed. It'd be a whole new tech race if we had affordable batteries that lasted a lot longer and I miss a cool tech race
Re: Syberia - Remastered Delivers Huge Overhaul On Xbox Series X|S In 2025
@Kezelpaso I've given up talking about this to people online, because they'll call your opinion stupid while failing to present their own. I've recently tried for the first time on purexbox and the people who pretend to "know it all" vanished when they had to answer a few simple questions. Alas... I still blame Activision and the Crash trilogy for this mess
Re: Xbox's 2027 Handheld Expected To Include Nintendo Switch-Like Docking System
I see a hybrid/portable from Xbox and PS facing the same issues.
Scenario 1 - It's the same power level of the PS6/XboxSomething, so the price will be stupidly high, but it'll have tons of games.
Scenario 2 - It's as powerful as a PS5/SeriesX. It'll be more affordable, but it'll stop getting a steady release of games in 2 or 3 years.
The Switch works for Nintendo because of what it offers and the amount of games it gets for a lower price of hardware. I don't see either Xbox or PS being able to replicate that part.