Besides Nintendo made stuff, I don't think any other portable gaming device sold over 10M in a decent amount of time. The Vita did sell over 10M, but it took some years to cross that line
I've been using my points to grow my OG Xbox and 360 library, so this may end up being good for my particular situation. I don't mind the 90 day limit to use the $ because we should have some good sales around BF and Xmas
The Series S was my first Xbox. It's now become a great retro machine. The only thing that would make me consider a new Xbox console in the next few years is integration with GOG to be honest.
@Coletrain Spain here. I've got the same numbers as you
Edit: On top of that. Daily plays on PC and console were cut in half instead of doubled. Just getting 5 each now. At least the weekly hasn't changed (yet at least)
Playing Jewel is still 5 points.
Several of my Xbox360 games are not showing as owned anymore in the games menu. When I click on them I can play them, but they're not showing as purchased. Is anyone else having this issue? I've tried restarting my Series S and even shutting it down completely for a few minutes. Nothing changed
What I'm certain is that... If the remake is too close to the original, people will complain and blame Ubi for lack of creativity If the remake is too far from the original, people will complain and blame Ubi for not respecting the OG If the remake is anywhere in between, people will complain and blame Ubi for lack of vision
Hopefully there'll be something good for people outside North America. Sadly, I've recently dropped from over 50k to now 19k points. I've got over 10 360 games though
I'm not sure both Zelda games should be excluded. It's got a new physical release for a new system. By that metric, Forza on PS5 and LoU2 on PC should be removed as well.
The fact that Halo basically only has one spin-off series with just two games is criminal. There's so much they could do with it I'd go crazy for a Halo XCOM type of game
I always rotate most of the games I have. Since I also play on Switch 2 and PS5, I usually have about 15 games (most retro ones) installed on my Series S (512GB) and I still have about 100GB free.
@TrollOfWar Thanks for the data. Always good to get a price on this sort of thing. But I guess I wasn't clear enough. It's not about being profitable or not. It's about how profitable it is. Example: Let's say it cost them $2M to port the game and $500k for marketing and the like. They technically need $2.5M to break even. But how much profit did they expect and how quickly? If they expected $20M in profit in the first quarter of sales, $10M in the first year, or $50M in six months, they are all vastly diffenrent scenarios and some can make the project be a success while others can make it seem like a failure.
I think Sony expected higher numbers on PC and that didn't happen. I can see them making money with some games on Xbox, but I think they'd be fools to ignore the Switch 2. Like it or not, it's on track to surpass 100M. Something it seems Xbox will unfortunately never do.
@Banjo- I appreciate it, and I've done that, buuuuuut it's only a parcial list. Putting the email side by side with the store, shows a bunch of titles on sale missing, unfortunately. Another issue is that since I moved I switched everything in my account to the new region, but the email still shows prices from the old one. It would be an easy fix. Heck, even Nintendo has this on the Switch 2
@Millionski Sure. There's was a leak from Insomniac a couple of years ago. They hacked and got a bunch of stuff from upcoming projects, emails, budgets, sales, etc. Part of it was about 100M for licensing fees to Marvel, for a single game. If memory serves, that fee was high because of the exclusivity. According to their numbers, the games were still highly profitable, but that's a really high fee indeed.
Both Sony and MS announce games too early. Sony's E3 2015 was amazing because it had games releasing up to 2020. But that's the thing, they did eventually release. Even Concord saw the light of day, even if for just a couple of weeks. But I'm gonna be sour about Perfect Dark for a good looooong while. And all these cancellations do have my confidence on a low setting about Xbox 1st party games actually coming out. It's a shame that the gen I finally got an Xbox, it's going to be used mostly as a backwards compatibility machine + some periods of GPU
@Gabrie I've seen a handful of physical games, but they never seem to go on sale. It's weird. But the marketing is zero. No presence whatsoever. It's really weird
@Decimateh I still have my physical version of WC2 from the 90s, but no way to actually play it. There's a website that emulates DOS games on it. Sometimes I drop by to play some WC and Carmen Sandiego
@themightyant On Xbox I don't have that comparison since the SS is my first. On PS I can say that I bought far more games on PS3 than PS4. PS5 is still quite recent, but it's on track to be on the a little lower than the PS4.
@NeoRatt You just proved my point. If defined terminology doesn't matter to someone, they'll just call what they wish. Now, I'll just play a cozy life sim called God of War Ragnarok
@themightyant I haven't bought as many as you and most I bought on Xbox Series were older and/or on sale. The only launch title I actually bought was Hogwarts Legacy. But in terms of numbers, we're the exception, not the rule. The average of games bought per system on any system is surprisingly low.
@NeoRatt Part of the problem, I see, as people not caring about accurate representation. Just like port, remaster and remake. Which according to some people even on this website would mean that the amount of remakes is a surprisingly low number.
Let's use your Perfect Dark example. We have a 1st party owned IP being mainly developed by a 1st party studio with the support (key work, support) from a 3rd party. That's a first party game which can have the added description of having external support.
Let's suppose that Toys for Bob is making Spyro 4. MS owned IP, external studio. Second party.
Things get "complicated" because people start ignoring meaning. At that point, why bother. Just call Black Ops VII a JRPG, Doom an Animal Crossing clone, and the new Perfect Dark a spiritual successor to Superman 64.
Let me ask you this... Is Bayonetta 1st party for Nintendo?
@SMJ Ninja Gainden Dragon Sword for the DS was published by Ubisoft in Europe. So I'd guess it's also a Ubisoft title... Ninja Gaiden is certainly getting around. We might own the IP as well and not even know it
@FraserG So I guess words don't mean anything anymore in this industry. Ports/remasters/remakes and now 1st/2nd/3rd party. Soon enough genres will mean nothing too. "So, this is a first person shooters?" "No, of course not. You play in first person and you shoot a lot, but we like to think of it as a traditional JRPG"
@trev666 and @Millionski I agree that at best it could be called second party
@NeoRatt I have. And since none of them are owned by MS, nor is the IP, they could have 50 studios working on it and it wouldn't change a thing.
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Re: Xbox Journalist Disputes Rumour About AMD Requiring 10M Units For First-Party Handheld
Besides Nintendo made stuff, I don't think any other portable gaming device sold over 10M in a decent amount of time. The Vita did sell over 10M, but it took some years to cross that line
Re: Two Games Are Available Today With Xbox Game Pass (October 7)
I never thought I'd see a game named Soup... I wonder what they'll think of next
Re: Microsoft Rewards Team Insists October Gift Card Sale Hasn't Been Forgotten About
I've been using my points to grow my OG Xbox and 360 library, so this may end up being good for my particular situation.
I don't mind the 90 day limit to use the $ because we should have some good sales around BF and Xmas
Re: New COD Sales 'Estimate' Helps Explain Xbox's Price Hike For Day One Game Pass Releases
I wish we could stick with the previous price and leave CoD out of it
Re: Xbox Issues Statement Denying Rumour That Next-Gen Console Could Be Cancelled
The Series S was my first Xbox. It's now become a great retro machine. The only thing that would make me consider a new Xbox console in the next few years is integration with GOG to be honest.
Re: Xbox Game Pass Is Getting A Major Overhaul With New Names, Games & Price Changes
$30 per month? That's insane.
Might as well buy the games at this rate or even better, wait some time and buy them for $30 or less.
Re: Xbox Rewards Is Buffing Its Points In Some Cases, And Nerfing Them In Others
@Coletrain Spain here. I've got the same numbers as you
Edit: On top of that. Daily plays on PC and console were cut in half instead of doubled. Just getting 5 each now. At least the weekly hasn't changed (yet at least)
Playing Jewel is still 5 points.
Re: Roundup: All The Reveals From The Xbox Showcase At Tokyo Game Show 2025
Several of my Xbox360 games are not showing as owned anymore in the games menu. When I click on them I can play them, but they're not showing as purchased. Is anyone else having this issue?
I've tried restarting my Series S and even shutting it down completely for a few minutes. Nothing changed
Re: Xbox Store Links Discovered For Horizon: Zero Dawn & Other PS5 Games, But Don't Get Excited
I'm more likely to believe Sony will release their 1st party PS4 games on Switch 2, actually
Re: If The Assassin's Creed Black Flag Remake Is Real, It Could Be Very Different From The Original
What I'm certain is that...
If the remake is too close to the original, people will complain and blame Ubi for lack of creativity
If the remake is too far from the original, people will complain and blame Ubi for not respecting the OG
If the remake is anywhere in between, people will complain and blame Ubi for lack of vision
Re: Xbox Gift Cards To Be Included In October 2025 Microsoft Rewards Sale
Hopefully there'll be something good for people outside North America.
Sadly, I've recently dropped from over 50k to now 19k points. I've got over 10 360 games though
Re: Dragon Quest 7 Is Getting 'Reimagined' For Xbox In February 2026
@Lup I'm no DQ expert, but given the currently available ones, III would likely be your best bet.
Re: Dragon Quest 7 Is Getting 'Reimagined' For Xbox In February 2026
I didn't expect this to come so soon after I&II, but I'm not complaining. I just hope at least some of the pacing issues have been addressed
Re: After Silksong, These Are The Top 10 Highest-Rated Games Of 2025 So Far
I'm not sure both Zelda games should be excluded. It's got a new physical release for a new system.
By that metric, Forza on PS5 and LoU2 on PC should be removed as well.
Re: Hollow Knight: Silksong Is Crashing The Xbox Store, Here's How To Install It
@FraserG I believe all stores has issues handling this launch.
I currently fear for the dev team... drowing in all this money coming in at once
Re: Xbox Demo Fest Returns Next Week, First Four Games Announced
I dropped out of both Yooka games, but this reimagining seems to be addressing some of my issues. I'll check it out.
Mina the Hollower demo is amazing! I hope it also has 120fps on Series
Re: Deals: Xbox Has Suddenly Put Another 700+ Games On Sale This Week (Sep 2-9)
I've just been on a retro shopping spree and got myself five 360 games
Re: Rumour: Bethesda Is Bringing Another Xbox Game To Switch 2 In 2026
Rare Replay on a cartridge is a dream of mine
South of Midnight as well, please
Re: Halo Is Quietly Having A Resurgence Right Now, And There's A Lot More To Come
@WildConcept6 XCOM is turn based.
Halo Wars is a great step into different gameplay for the series, but they could do so much more
Re: Halo Is Quietly Having A Resurgence Right Now, And There's A Lot More To Come
The fact that Halo basically only has one spin-off series with just two games is criminal. There's so much they could do with it
I'd go crazy for a Halo XCOM type of game
Re: Random: Xbox Fan Installs 1000 Games To See How Much Storage Space They Take Up
I always rotate most of the games I have. Since I also play on Switch 2 and PS5, I usually have about 15 games (most retro ones) installed on my Series S (512GB) and I still have about 100GB free.
Re: Rumour: Sony Is Planning To Bring More PS5 Games To Xbox
@TrollOfWar Thanks for the data. Always good to get a price on this sort of thing.
But I guess I wasn't clear enough. It's not about being profitable or not. It's about how profitable it is.
Example: Let's say it cost them $2M to port the game and $500k for marketing and the like. They technically need $2.5M to break even. But how much profit did they expect and how quickly? If they expected $20M in profit in the first quarter of sales, $10M in the first year, or $50M in six months, they are all vastly diffenrent scenarios and some can make the project be a success while others can make it seem like a failure.
Re: Talking Point: Battlefield 6 Or Black Ops 7, Which Xbox FPS Are You Looking Forward To Most?
I'll get neither right away. But I'll eventually only play the campaign and on that note, Battlefield will likely be the one I play first
Re: Rumour: Sony Is Planning To Bring More PS5 Games To Xbox
I think Sony expected higher numbers on PC and that didn't happen.
I can see them making money with some games on Xbox, but I think they'd be fools to ignore the Switch 2. Like it or not, it's on track to surpass 100M. Something it seems Xbox will unfortunately never do.
Re: Multiple Games Announced For Xbox Following July 2025's Nintendo Direct
@Trmn8r It's S-E... I'm just glad there isn't an equation on the title
Re: Deals: Xbox Summer Sale Gets Even Bigger With 100+ New Discounts
@Banjo- I appreciate it, and I've done that, buuuuuut it's only a parcial list. Putting the email side by side with the store, shows a bunch of titles on sale missing, unfortunately.
Another issue is that since I moved I switched everything in my account to the new region, but the email still shows prices from the old one.
It would be an easy fix. Heck, even Nintendo has this on the Switch 2
Re: Deals: Xbox Summer Sale Gets Even Bigger With 100+ New Discounts
It would be nice to have the option to filter the wishlist to have only games currently on sale.
Re: Talking Point: The Xbox Summer Sale 2025 Is Upon Us, So What Are You Hoping To See?
I would love for the FF XIII trilogy to be on sale. I've been waiting for years and nothing
Re: John Wick Hex Is Being Permanently Delisted On The Xbox Store This Week
They sould get it 90% off and get some revenue before it's over. But...
Re: Microsoft Spends Up To $50m On Xbox Game Pass Partnerships, Says Former Manager
@Kaloudz I hope so too. They did an amazing job that went beyond just their game. They will help shape future RPGs and that's no small feat
Re: Microsoft Spends Up To $50m On Xbox Game Pass Partnerships, Says Former Manager
@Millionski Sure. There's was a leak from Insomniac a couple of years ago. They hacked and got a bunch of stuff from upcoming projects, emails, budgets, sales, etc.
Part of it was about 100M for licensing fees to Marvel, for a single game. If memory serves, that fee was high because of the exclusivity.
According to their numbers, the games were still highly profitable, but that's a really high fee indeed.
Re: Forza Horizon 5 Set To Overtake 2024's Game Of The Year With Over 3 Million Sales On PS5
Great for Forza Horizon 5. It's a great game.
I wish Astro Bot sold better though. Such a fun game
Re: Microsoft Spends Up To $50m On Xbox Game Pass Partnerships, Says Former Manager
@Kaloudz Sony pays 100M+ just to keep Spider-Man out of Xbox and Nintendo. And that was Miles Morales if I recall correctly.
Re: EA Japan GM Comments On Xbox Layoffs, Says Long-In-Development Games 'Deserve To Ship'
Both Sony and MS announce games too early. Sony's E3 2015 was amazing because it had games releasing up to 2020. But that's the thing, they did eventually release. Even Concord saw the light of day, even if for just a couple of weeks.
But I'm gonna be sour about Perfect Dark for a good looooong while. And all these cancellations do have my confidence on a low setting about Xbox 1st party games actually coming out.
It's a shame that the gen I finally got an Xbox, it's going to be used mostly as a backwards compatibility machine + some periods of GPU
Re: Romero Games 'Trying To Fund' Project After Sudden Loss Of Xbox Support, Says Developer
Maybe he should give Nintendo a call. It saved Bayonetta.
Re: Ex Blizzard Boss Thinks Microsoft Should Pick Its Xbox Strategy And 'Stick To It'
Lack of focus can be quite detrimental to a brand. Just ask SEGA.
Re: Microsoft Planning To 'Restructure' Xbox Distribution In Central Europe, Says Report
@Gabrie I've seen a handful of physical games, but they never seem to go on sale. It's weird.
But the marketing is zero. No presence whatsoever. It's really weird
Re: Meta Quest 3S 'Xbox Edition' Launches Today For $399, But You'll Need To Be Quick
People can't claim the product failed for selling too little if it sold 100% of inventory
Re: 'Blood Message' Looks Like Assassin's Creed Meets Tomb Raider, And It's Coming To Xbox
"Blood Message is a narrative-driven, linear action-adventure single-player game"
Already hoping this turns out great and sells well
Re: These 11 Games Are Coming To Xbox Game Pass (June 18 - July 1)
@Decimateh I still have my physical version of WC2 from the 90s, but no way to actually play it. There's a website that emulates DOS games on it. Sometimes I drop by to play some WC and Carmen Sandiego
Re: These 11 Games Are Coming To Xbox Game Pass (June 18 - July 1)
@Decimateh that would be a dream come true!
Re: According To Sales Estimates, Final Fantasy 16 Had A Rough First Week On Xbox
@themightyant On Xbox I don't have that comparison since the SS is my first. On PS I can say that I bought far more games on PS3 than PS4. PS5 is still quite recent, but it's on track to be on the a little lower than the PS4.
Re: 2K Not Following Microsoft & Nintendo With $80 Game Prices, For Now
If the MSRP for GTA VI isn't $79.99 or higher, the whole world will be shocked
Re: Xbox Has Three First-Party Games Coming Out Within 12 Days Of Each Other
@NeoRatt You just proved my point. If defined terminology doesn't matter to someone, they'll just call what they wish. Now, I'll just play a cozy life sim called God of War Ragnarok
Re: According To Sales Estimates, Final Fantasy 16 Had A Rough First Week On Xbox
@themightyant I haven't bought as many as you and most I bought on Xbox Series were older and/or on sale. The only launch title I actually bought was Hogwarts Legacy.
But in terms of numbers, we're the exception, not the rule. The average of games bought per system on any system is surprisingly low.
Re: Xbox Has Three First-Party Games Coming Out Within 12 Days Of Each Other
@NeoRatt Part of the problem, I see, as people not caring about accurate representation. Just like port, remaster and remake. Which according to some people even on this website would mean that the amount of remakes is a surprisingly low number.
Let's use your Perfect Dark example. We have a 1st party owned IP being mainly developed by a 1st party studio with the support (key work, support) from a 3rd party. That's a first party game which can have the added description of having external support.
Let's suppose that Toys for Bob is making Spyro 4. MS owned IP, external studio. Second party.
Things get "complicated" because people start ignoring meaning. At that point, why bother. Just call Black Ops VII a JRPG, Doom an Animal Crossing clone, and the new Perfect Dark a spiritual successor to Superman 64.
Let me ask you this... Is Bayonetta 1st party for Nintendo?
Re: Xbox Has Three First-Party Games Coming Out Within 12 Days Of Each Other
@SMJ Ninja Gainden Dragon Sword for the DS was published by Ubisoft in Europe. So I'd guess it's also a Ubisoft title...
Ninja Gaiden is certainly getting around. We might own the IP as well and not even know it
Re: Xbox Has Three First-Party Games Coming Out Within 12 Days Of Each Other
@NeoRatt That would make it a 2nd party game. Just like the Zelda Oracle games and Minish Cap. 1st party IP, but developed by an external studio.
Re: Xbox Has Three First-Party Games Coming Out Within 12 Days Of Each Other
@FraserG So I guess words don't mean anything anymore in this industry. Ports/remasters/remakes and now 1st/2nd/3rd party.
Soon enough genres will mean nothing too.
"So, this is a first person shooters?"
"No, of course not. You play in first person and you shoot a lot, but we like to think of it as a traditional JRPG"
@trev666 and @Millionski I agree that at best it could be called second party
@NeoRatt I have. And since none of them are owned by MS, nor is the IP, they could have 50 studios working on it and it wouldn't change a thing.
Re: Xbox Has Three First-Party Games Coming Out Within 12 Days Of Each Other
I'm sorry, but why is Ninja Gaiden 4 being counted as 1st party? Xbox is the publisher, but not the developer.