@MonsterMike I read the first sentence of your comment, glanced at your profile pic and all I can here is that sentence being said in the same tone as 'let the boy watch'.
I could see them releasing an xbox only version of GP on PS/Switch as its current format simply won't fly. Either way, it's clear that we are likely going to be saying day and date on everything with newer games now that the strategy has been confirmed. If that keeps xbox around then it's no bad thing.
@fatpunkslim I’m not defending anyone bud, you said…
‘ Well, it's a practice that everyone did, but not at the same level as PlayStation, which has always played a lot on ambiguity.’
And I was just curious how you landed at that when they both do exactly the same. I’m not fussed what the games on as I have them both, so it literally holds no bearing to me as I can play any game I want regardless of the box that runs it. I was just trying to understand your logic is all.
Edit: you also mention marketing for COD. Didn’t Xbox have the previous marketing agreement prior to Sony. Xbox also had timed exclusivity for dlc maps. Again, they both do the exact same thing.
Also, GTA 6 isn’t out and no marketing has been announced.
@fatpunkslim im interested as to how the level was different when Xbox events only say Xbox and ps events only say ps? I mean, to me, it seemed exactly the same on both sides of the coin. Curious to understand how you thought one was more so.
@PsBoxSwitchOwner it's weird that games getting an average of 70's or 80's are classed as bad games. Just silly logic. These folks must miss out on so many good games because another person's opinion doesn't match their own.
@OldGamer999 you should be good with 60 in vrr. They said performance mode has some cut backs visually (things like lumin reflections, foliage, etc...) but it didn't seem to be anything that would put me off if I'm honest.
Performance is up and down at 60 but no issues with vrr
@Fiendish-Beaver I'm a big fan of 40fps as you get all the bells and whistles of quality mode at a much more smoother frame rate than you would expect from an additional 10 frames.
@Ricky-Spanish I know what you mean. It just feels off. I'm loving the setting and music of this one and like you, I will probably switch the stop motion effect off from the get go.
Never understood why folks preload a week in advance. I get it when someone has a slow connection speed but for others, couldn't you do it the day before and use the storage for something else you can play in the meantime?
@Ricky-Spanish apparently there's an option to turn off the stop motion and let it run 'normal'. You can also turn off the fights completely which feels a bit like they aren't really needed.
Looking forward to this though as the setting and mood is right up my street.
Looking forward to this one. Not 100% sold on the stop motion gameplay but cutscenes look lovely with it. It's nice they let you turn it off though and choice is always welcome.
To be clear, this isn't me fanboying (as you have said in the past) or attacking you, just a clarity that your comment it was shipped units isn't accurate.
Have a good weekend gaming. I'm finally gonna get round to cyberpunk i think.
Half expecting phil to rock up at the rumoured playstation showcase (or whatever they call it) in Feb to announce the upcoming releases for PS5. All of these ports weren't developed over night. They've been ticking along all the time folks argue that it's only 4 games.
Just for folks skimming the article, DF don't recommend the 120fps mode on any machine due to juddering.
'The problem here is that the game does not play nicely with frame-rates that fail to lock to 30, 60 or 120fps. Anything in between presents with judder regardless of whether you have VRR enabled or not. It's just an issue with how this game seems to work.'.
Just seems to be something that can hopefully be patched out.
No worries man. Only tv's that do 120fps can hit 40 (don't ask me why) so the best thing I could advise is Google your tv model and it should tell you.
If your tv isn't compatible it usually doesn't even offer the option in the game, I think at least.
@Kaloudz 40fps genuinely does feel like a huge bump over 30. If you do a quick Google for 40fps and digital foundry they explain it far better than I could.
In simplest terms you get an experience that feels a lot smother than 30 but doesn't need to cut back on the graphics side of things like a 60fps does.
The caveat being you need a TV capable of displaying in that mode. I have a C1 LG oled and it's a mode I use anytime it's available. Really does make a hefty difference over 30fps.
Edit: here you go. Apologies to any xbox folks offended that it's in relation to ratchet and clank, it was one of the first to do it and therefore gets a good explanation for it.
@SMJ It would be ironic if the additional revenue from xbox game purchases, that cost them zero to develop, meant that PS didn't have to go multiplatform with their own games.
I said this elsewhere but at the end of it all, MS will still make money and therefore games. With the new approach we all get more games to play, regardless of where you choose to play them. Which is the reason we are all loitering around sites like this, we all like playing games.
@fatpunkslim i think it's fair to say there was no compromise. It's a Disney ip as you say, so disney would need to be involved in the contract change to facilitate a compromise.
That wasn't a tease, genuine question. How did they change the contract if it was already agreed?
@fatpunkslim I mean this would be a good tactic if you ignore the fact it's an older game being ported and a brand new game, Indiana jones, is releasing on PS within 6 months of launching.
I kinda think that they won't be holding them for years anymore.
@themightyant you know, that's actually an angle that fits with the multiplatform approach also. A premium machine aimed at the loyal fanbase were you know sales won't hit super high numbers, but in the scheme of things, does enough numbers while gaps are filled with sales on other platforms/xbox anywhere.
@IOI I am interested to see what the innovations are they come up with for the box in development. My only concern is they may push a streaming only machine. It would tick all the 'revolutionary' boxes they mention and cut down on hardware costs, but streaming is just so hit and miss. It's not for me personally but I know some folks in here and other sites are fine with it. Outside the US, the infrastucture just isn't where it needs to be for everyone to get the benefit of it.
In terms of earnings, MS just had 6 billion wiped off its share price thanks to the AI app from China, so no doubt there's a few conversations going on around that.
Its a weird time for all console makers at the minute so it will be interesting to see where they go next. Thats not even taking into account if steam bring a box out as rumours suggest.
If they put Steam on the next xbox or PS (I'd lean more towards xbox for it but both systems have similar hardware) it's a massive gamble. Mainly as it's opening up another storefront that cuts out MS's/PS's own. Games on steam can be picked up a whole lot cheaper than on MS or PS stores. Plus you could buy the game outside the ecosystem and just cut them out entirely.
It would be great for us gamers but, on a business front, its just cutting off a revenue stream.
Series S is a great little console. Especially if you travel a lot due to its small compact design. I do kinda think they shouldn't be as stringent on the feature parity but there's no reason to drop it completely.
@themightyant oh I completely agree that there is valuable information in the numbers, and they can tell you exactly what strategy a company chose and why.
It was more the throwing around of statements (such as the one from the person above), where people make random claims or attempt to use things they don't understand as a yard stick that begins to irk. Don't get me wrong, there's folks on both side of the fence doing it. I never thought id miss the arguments over a 2fps advantage but here we are.
@Millionski dooming and glooming? Lost me on that. I'm only repeating things that have been said by those people you listed and giving an opinion on where I think its heading. What's that got to do with me enjoying games?
I never said they didn't say they werent releasing a console. I literally said I want them to release one.
If you took my comment about folks becoming accountants personal then that's on you. It was just my observation.
I said this on another site but do you remember when folks used to argue over frame rates, resolutions and review scores. I much prefer that over this new trend of celebrating profits.
All these people who shout about revenue were likely the ones telling PS players their console was doomed when series X said it had 12 teraflops and PS5 had less. Now they've gone from gaming enthusiasts to armchair accountants.
MS need to stay in the hardware game as it makes both sides better themselves and, ultimately, that benefits us gamers. More so the gamers who pick games over brand loyalty.
Sadly though, if you replace the word 'platform' in that interview with 'publisher', I think you get the truth where Xbox is heading.
@MrCarlos46 all of them, apparently. Timed or day one, it's clear they are now all going. Phil was asked directly in another interview if he can confirm Starfield will stay put on Xbox. His answer was simply 'no'. He then reiterated that he isn't locking games to the platform.
I think xbox will continue. I hope so anyway. Competition breeds innovation. Regardless of which platform folks choose, we need the other to push them to be better.
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Re: Talking Point: If GTA 6 Releases This Year, What Does Xbox Do With Fable?
@MonsterMike I read the first sentence of your comment, glanced at your profile pic and all I can here is that sentence being said in the same tone as 'let the boy watch'.
Re: Xbox's New Strategy Is 'Right' For The Business And Needs To Be Embraced, Says Former Exec
I could see them releasing an xbox only version of GP on PS/Switch as its current format simply won't fly. Either way, it's clear that we are likely going to be saying day and date on everything with newer games now that the strategy has been confirmed. If that keeps xbox around then it's no bad thing.
Re: Xbox Will Be 'Honest & Transparent' About Platforms In Future Showcases, Says Phil Spencer
@fatpunkslim I’m not defending anyone bud, you said…
‘ Well, it's a practice that everyone did, but not at the same level as PlayStation, which has always played a lot on ambiguity.’
And I was just curious how you landed at that when they both do exactly the same. I’m not fussed what the games on as I have them both, so it literally holds no bearing to me as I can play any game I want regardless of the box that runs it. I was just trying to understand your logic is all.
Edit: you also mention marketing for COD. Didn’t Xbox have the previous marketing agreement prior to Sony. Xbox also had timed exclusivity for dlc maps. Again, they both do the exact same thing.
Also, GTA 6 isn’t out and no marketing has been announced.
Re: Xbox Will Be 'Honest & Transparent' About Platforms In Future Showcases, Says Phil Spencer
@fatpunkslim im interested as to how the level was different when Xbox events only say Xbox and ps events only say ps? I mean, to me, it seemed exactly the same on both sides of the coin. Curious to understand how you thought one was more so.
Re: Review: Avowed (Xbox) - Flashy Action & Excellent Exploration Make Up For A Surprisingly Breezy Narrative
@PsBoxSwitchOwner it's weird that games getting an average of 70's or 80's are classed as bad games. Just silly logic. These folks must miss out on so many good games because another person's opinion doesn't match their own.
Re: Review: Avowed (Xbox) - Flashy Action & Excellent Exploration Make Up For A Surprisingly Breezy Narrative
@Hurblyburbly basically some folks think games get a review scores lowered because it's on xbox/gamepass.
Utter nonsense.
Re: Avowed Performance Modes Tested, Including 40FPS Option On Xbox Series S
@OldGamer999 you should be good with 60 in vrr. They said performance mode has some cut backs visually (things like lumin reflections, foliage, etc...) but it didn't seem to be anything that would put me off if I'm honest.
Performance is up and down at 60 but no issues with vrr
Re: Avowed Performance Modes Tested, Including 40FPS Option On Xbox Series S
@OldGamer999 digital foundry recommend the 40fps mode but, if i remember correctly, you have a vrr tv so you should be golden.
Re: Two Games Announced For Xbox Game Pass Following PlayStation's State Of Play Event
These are both day ones on ps plus as well, which is unusual to have them arrive on both subs.
Re: Avowed Performance Modes Tested, Including 40FPS Option On Xbox Series S
@Fiendish-Beaver I'm a big fan of 40fps as you get all the bells and whistles of quality mode at a much more smoother frame rate than you would expect from an additional 10 frames.
Re: Roundup: All The Xbox Reveals From February 2025's State Of Play
@Kaloudz that could be a solid spot there my friend. Solid spot indeed.
Re: Roundup: All The Xbox Reveals From February 2025's State Of Play
@Tyrant_T103 they didn't say they were exclusive either. That's how these things work for any of the box makers
Re: South Of Midnight Preview (Xbox) - A Compulsion We're Desperate To Indulge
@Ricky-Spanish I know what you mean. It just feels off. I'm loving the setting and music of this one and like you, I will probably switch the stop motion effect off from the get go.
Re: Avowed Xbox Preload Now Live Ahead Of Game Pass Release
Never understood why folks preload a week in advance. I get it when someone has a slow connection speed but for others, couldn't you do it the day before and use the storage for something else you can play in the meantime?
Re: South Of Midnight Preview (Xbox) - A Compulsion We're Desperate To Indulge
@Ricky-Spanish I'm unsure on it myself. Looks lovely in the cutscenes, I'm just not sure how I feel about it in actual gameplay.
Re: South Of Midnight Preview (Xbox) - A Compulsion We're Desperate To Indulge
@Ricky-Spanish apparently there's an option to turn off the stop motion and let it run 'normal'. You can also turn off the fights completely which feels a bit like they aren't really needed.
Looking forward to this though as the setting and mood is right up my street.
Re: Roundup: The Early Previews Are In For Xbox's South Of Midnight
Looking forward to this one. Not 100% sold on the stop motion gameplay but cutscenes look lovely with it. It's nice they let you turn it off though and choice is always welcome.
Re: Avowed's Full Performance Mode Options Detailed For Xbox Series X
40fps is my go to option when it's available so it's good to see another game using it.
Re: Avowed: Release Date, Release Times, Early Access Details For Xbox & PC
Not sure this is gonna be one for me but I hope it turns out well for all the folks looking forward to it!
Re: New Financial Report Provides Estimated Xbox Series X|S Sales Figure As Of Late 2024
@Banjo- Sonys numbers are sold, not shipped.
https://gamerant.com/ps5-total-sales-november-2024/#:~:text=Sony%20has%20sold%2065.5%20million,same%20point%20in%20its%20lifecycle.
Taking december into account (3.42 million) it is now estimated to be around 71 million sold.
https://www.vgchartz.com/#:~:text=PS5%20Tops%2070M%20Lifetime%20%2D%20Worldwide%20Hardware%20Estimates%20for%20December%202024%20%2D%20Sales&text=The%20PlayStation%205%20was%20the,71.03%20million%20units%20lifetime%20worldwide.
To be clear, this isn't me fanboying (as you have said in the past) or attacking you, just a clarity that your comment it was shipped units isn't accurate.
Have a good weekend gaming. I'm finally gonna get round to cyberpunk i think.
Re: Xbox Partners With Currys To Offer Console Repairs In UK & Ireland
Should probably partner with them to get stock back in while they are at it.
Re: Two More Xbox First-Party Games Are Moving To PS5 In 2025
@Isolte you beat me to that one 🤣
Re: Talking Point: It's Been A Year Since Phil Spencer Announced The 'Xbox Business Update' Event
@K1LLEGAL don't feed him dude. Utterly pointless with this one my friend.
Re: Two More Xbox First-Party Games Are Moving To PS5 In 2025
Half expecting phil to rock up at the rumoured playstation showcase (or whatever they call it) in Feb to announce the upcoming releases for PS5. All of these ports weren't developed over night. They've been ticking along all the time folks argue that it's only 4 games.
Re: Ninja Gaiden 2 Black Analysis Compares Xbox 360 Original To Unreal Engine 5 Remaster
Just for folks skimming the article, DF don't recommend the 120fps mode on any machine due to juddering.
'The problem here is that the game does not play nicely with frame-rates that fail to lock to 30, 60 or 120fps. Anything in between presents with judder regardless of whether you have VRR enabled or not. It's just an issue with how this game seems to work.'.
Just seems to be something that can hopefully be patched out.
Re: Review: Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 (Xbox) - A Brutal & Brilliant Medieval Epic, But You'll Need To Put The Time In
@Smackosynthesis congrats on the wedding. I'm sure your other half will understand if you knock it back a few days so you can unlock a horse.
Re: Ex-PlayStation Boss Compares Xbox's New Strategy To SEGA, Says It's A 'Balancing Act'
@Ricky-Spanish as a man utd fan also, I understand that reference.
Re: Far Cry New Dawn Getting 60FPS Patch Ahead Of Its Arrival On Xbox Game Pass
No worries man. Only tv's that do 120fps can hit 40 (don't ask me why) so the best thing I could advise is Google your tv model and it should tell you.
If your tv isn't compatible it usually doesn't even offer the option in the game, I think at least.
Re: Far Cry New Dawn Getting 60FPS Patch Ahead Of Its Arrival On Xbox Game Pass
@Kaloudz 40fps genuinely does feel like a huge bump over 30. If you do a quick Google for 40fps and digital foundry they explain it far better than I could.
In simplest terms you get an experience that feels a lot smother than 30 but doesn't need to cut back on the graphics side of things like a 60fps does.
The caveat being you need a TV capable of displaying in that mode. I have a C1 LG oled and it's a mode I use anytime it's available. Really does make a hefty difference over 30fps.
Edit: here you go. Apologies to any xbox folks offended that it's in relation to ratchet and clank, it was one of the first to do it and therefore gets a good explanation for it.
https://youtu.be/QXi7uO7wxdc?si=6KXV7YE7X28IHR07
Re: Xbox Leaker Believes Gears Collection Is Real, Will Launch On PS5 Day One
@SMJ It would be ironic if the additional revenue from xbox game purchases, that cost them zero to develop, meant that PS didn't have to go multiplatform with their own games.
Unlikely, but still pretty comical all the same.
Re: Former PlayStation Exec Says 'The Game Is Changing' As Xbox Goes Multiplatform
I said this elsewhere but at the end of it all, MS will still make money and therefore games. With the new approach we all get more games to play, regardless of where you choose to play them. Which is the reason we are all loitering around sites like this, we all like playing games.
Re: Forza Horizon 5 Officially Announced For PS5, Drifts Over In Spring 2025
@Isolte a man who knows 😂. 45 here (for another month or two anyway). Not to much of a gap.
Re: Forza Horizon 5 Officially Announced For PS5, Drifts Over In Spring 2025
@Isolte I love a good vinyl. We sound of a similar age from your other comments. Nothing beats the crackle of a good record.
Re: Forza Horizon 5 Officially Announced For PS5, Drifts Over In Spring 2025
@fatpunkslim i think it's fair to say there was no compromise. It's a Disney ip as you say, so disney would need to be involved in the contract change to facilitate a compromise.
That wasn't a tease, genuine question. How did they change the contract if it was already agreed?
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@fatpunkslim if they didn't have a say in it due to contractuable agreements, how did they insist it be delayed and change the agreement?
Re: Forza Horizon 5 Officially Announced For PS5, Drifts Over In Spring 2025
@fatpunkslim It's a very good example. As you said many times before the PS port was announced, its an xbox studio game. A new xbox studio game.
Re: Forza Horizon 5 Officially Announced For PS5, Drifts Over In Spring 2025
@fatpunkslim I mean this would be a good tactic if you ignore the fact it's an older game being ported and a brand new game, Indiana jones, is releasing on PS within 6 months of launching.
I kinda think that they won't be holding them for years anymore.
Re: Forza Horizon 5 Officially Announced For PS5, Drifts Over In Spring 2025
Regardless of opinions, its still a bit weird to see isnt it.
Re: Xbox Hardware Declines But 'Content & Services' Grows In FY25 Q2 Earnings Report
@themightyant you know, that's actually an angle that fits with the multiplatform approach also. A premium machine aimed at the loyal fanbase were you know sales won't hit super high numbers, but in the scheme of things, does enough numbers while gaps are filled with sales on other platforms/xbox anywhere.
Interesting.
Re: Xbox Hardware Declines But 'Content & Services' Grows In FY25 Q2 Earnings Report
@IOI I am interested to see what the innovations are they come up with for the box in development. My only concern is they may push a streaming only machine. It would tick all the 'revolutionary' boxes they mention and cut down on hardware costs, but streaming is just so hit and miss. It's not for me personally but I know some folks in here and other sites are fine with it. Outside the US, the infrastucture just isn't where it needs to be for everyone to get the benefit of it.
In terms of earnings, MS just had 6 billion wiped off its share price thanks to the AI app from China, so no doubt there's a few conversations going on around that.
Its a weird time for all console makers at the minute so it will be interesting to see where they go next. Thats not even taking into account if steam bring a box out as rumours suggest.
Re: Xbox Hardware Declines But 'Content & Services' Grows In FY25 Q2 Earnings Report
If they put Steam on the next xbox or PS (I'd lean more towards xbox for it but both systems have similar hardware) it's a massive gamble. Mainly as it's opening up another storefront that cuts out MS's/PS's own. Games on steam can be picked up a whole lot cheaper than on MS or PS stores. Plus you could buy the game outside the ecosystem and just cut them out entirely.
It would be great for us gamers but, on a business front, its just cutting off a revenue stream.
Re: Xbox Boss Dismisses Idea Of Removing The Series S Parity Clause
Series S is a great little console. Especially if you travel a lot due to its small compact design. I do kinda think they shouldn't be as stringent on the feature parity but there's no reason to drop it completely.
Re: Xbox On Keeping Games Off Other Platforms: 'That's Not A Path For Us'
@themightyant oh I completely agree that there is valuable information in the numbers, and they can tell you exactly what strategy a company chose and why.
It was more the throwing around of statements (such as the one from the person above), where people make random claims or attempt to use things they don't understand as a yard stick that begins to irk. Don't get me wrong, there's folks on both side of the fence doing it. I never thought id miss the arguments over a 2fps advantage but here we are.
Re: Xbox On Keeping Games Off Other Platforms: 'That's Not A Path For Us'
@PsBoxSwitchOwner agreed, none of them do. Which, as you say, folks arguing over those points is just bizarre.
We have plenty of decent games coming though so hopefully folks eventually go back to focusing on them.
Re: Xbox On Keeping Games Off Other Platforms: 'That's Not A Path For Us'
@Millionski dooming and glooming? Lost me on that. I'm only repeating things that have been said by those people you listed and giving an opinion on where I think its heading. What's that got to do with me enjoying games?
I never said they didn't say they werent releasing a console. I literally said I want them to release one.
If you took my comment about folks becoming accountants personal then that's on you. It was just my observation.
Re: Xbox On Keeping Games Off Other Platforms: 'That's Not A Path For Us'
I said this on another site but do you remember when folks used to argue over frame rates, resolutions and review scores. I much prefer that over this new trend of celebrating profits.
All these people who shout about revenue were likely the ones telling PS players their console was doomed when series X said it had 12 teraflops and PS5 had less. Now they've gone from gaming enthusiasts to armchair accountants.
MS need to stay in the hardware game as it makes both sides better themselves and, ultimately, that benefits us gamers. More so the gamers who pick games over brand loyalty.
Sadly though, if you replace the word 'platform' in that interview with 'publisher', I think you get the truth where Xbox is heading.
Re: Xbox Will Continue To Ship More Games On PlayStation And Nintendo
@MrCarlos46 all of them, apparently. Timed or day one, it's clear they are now all going. Phil was asked directly in another interview if he can confirm Starfield will stay put on Xbox. His answer was simply 'no'. He then reiterated that he isn't locking games to the platform.
I think xbox will continue. I hope so anyway. Competition breeds innovation. Regardless of which platform folks choose, we need the other to push them to be better.
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@Isolte well you learn something new every day. Cheers man.