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@MrStark you honestly think they will release a machine that uses parts costing more than a series x, for less than a series x?

I cant work out if you are being sarcastic or insane here mr stark 😂

Im sat on a plane half way to Orlando so not really to bothered, but I hope it gets sorted for those it is affecting.

My series x is due a clean as it is sounding like Henry hoovers long lost brother at the minute. The good news its easy to do and will be silent again when done

@Odium @Fiendish-Beaver Thanks folks. It was the lack of hand holding that caught my eye and I believe the world building is brilliant because of it. Really looking forward to playing it. Will be after my holidays now as theres no point starting it before I fly but hopefully it can shift those holiday blues when im back!

Appreciate you both for the thoughts.

I recently bought hell is us in a sale but haven't had chance to play it. Im looking forward to it but im away on holiday from Monday so will be a few weeks. Anybody played it, have any thoughts?

Edit: just saw @Fiendish-Beaver's post above

The sad inevitability is theres no going back. As cost of parts increase, disc drives were always gonna be the first, and easiest, cost to cut.

Do i like it, no. Will it change, sadly not.

At least I can still buy a cheaper code in a box from other places. Yey. I suppose.

@MrStark The day one thing was always gonna be a gamble. Like you say, it simply isnt growing. They cant put the price up as folks will cancel. If they pull day one folks will cancel, but at least you will get sales and quite possibly better games.

@carlos82 evercades are awesome little devices. Cannot recommend enough

@oopsiezz Its all a bit silly to just call people names because they have a differing opinion.

@fatpunkslim so youre saying he's right when it suits your narrative?

He said multiple times his sources corroborate the stories you call fake. Yet this one you say is the time he's reliable. I would ask you again for your sources to prove the others are fake news as if they go against jez's- whom you acknowledge above has reliable inside ones - then they must be pretty high up. Yet we both know you dont have any, its more you dont like the news.

To be clear, I dont want any of these rumours (not facts or fake news) to be true as I play and enjoy games.

On a side note, I read a comment from you that English is not your first language. For the record, while I disagree with the majority of what you say, you speak very well in a language that is not your native tongue.

@Sol4ris oh god dont! If this process involves windows at any stage it would be less stressful to just set my house on fire and burn the lot 😂

Sounds good. Although I've seen some of the folks here saying how big their collections are. They are going to need at least a week off to get them linked.

@Kieduss uh oh

https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/xbox/new-details-emerge-on-xbox-positron-microsofts-disc-to-digital-program-as-it-seems-likely-xbox-helix-will-drop-discs-too

@Kieduss they dont have to flip anything, its inevitably coming to all.

@Sol4ris sadly seems to be just how its gonna be. Back compat will be a big one, especially for Sony. While they already do (barely) PS1 and 2, 3 is a constant rumour. Digital ps4 and 5 will be fine, discs though, that is going to be huge for both to figure out.

I would not be surprised if both offer an add on drive to access your disc collections. They can still go all digital for next gen and that will solve the problem. Will be salt in the wound though if they have it there and dont use it for newer stuff.

@Sol4ris if you think helix won't be all digital then you better prepare yourself for some bad news...

@kelomaniack I wonder if sony will do the same. An add on drive would let folks play their discs and they just won't sell anymore going forward.

@Toecutter in 20 years time they will probably just stream it and wonder why we all hate that.

Edit: apologies, that was for @Tasuki

@ZeD I suppose if they do codes in boxes like GTA we may still get that if they are available through amazon, argos, etc... Otherwise all we can hope for is places like loaded to give offers.

Until they explain plans then we will just have to wait.

Its not something I want but I also understand its inevitable. This will very likely be the same for all next gen consoles. Sony are just throwing all their bad news on the table now as they know very well that it will be buried in the news out of MS when they announce their reset plan next week.

The worst part of all this is folks on sites like these who buy physical (myself included) are such a drop in the ocean compared to digital, it won't make a jot of difference. PushSquare just put an article out say physical accounts for 15% of all sales on playstation. I imagine its smaller on xbox with gamepass being a driver.

The casual market won't care and younger generations dont either.

All the things we bicker about and discuss mean absolutely nothing to the majority of folks buying consoles. We are the tiny majority and its only gonna get smaller as years go on.

@ZeD they say in the statement that they will be available to purchase digitally through other sellers.

Absolutely grim news and a genuine open goal for xbox to take here. Although as much as i hate the all digital future, it is inevitable. I imagine if asha is looking to reduce costs of helix a disc drive will sadly be the easiest cost to cut out.

Grim grim news though

@EPiz He means Game Pass Ultimate (GPU) mate, he's not sat there building a PC 😂😂

@NishimaruX well you are in for an absolute treat sir.

@NishimaruX Its worth playing through just for the music. Its absolutely wonderful.

@fatpunkslim No, youre confirming my point. You arent answering the question. You didnt say these are rumours, you clearly stated (across multiple websites) that this is fake news and playstation are paying for some to be published.

That isn't a claim of rumours, thats you factually stating they are fake. Are you now saying these are not fake because if you are, by your own principles, you need to go and remove this false information or update your comments to say as much.

For clarity; Fake - something that is not genuine, true, or original, often designed to deceive or imitate.

So again, can you provide sources that demonstrate your claims these are fake or paid for by playstation.

It sounds like they are going to be investing more into fewer titles to speed up the process. Hope all affected at IOI land on their feet.

@fatpunkslim nope. You've pulled out a story that commenters stated was going to happen (to be fair, because it's happened before). It was never a headline.

Let me help you out and you can provide your sources.

Undead labs possible closure - Jez corden confirmed his sources state the same - you said fake news.

IGN reporting their affiliate information - this is based off their own affiliates so no reason to doubt it as its their information - you claimed fake news and paid for by playstation.

Compulsion closure/sale - staff have reported being told its happening, many are advertising they are open to work - you claim fake news.

Ninja Theory - multiple sources, many highly regarded, including jez cordon, state they are in discussions to retain their ip and avoid closure, but will be closed if no deal reached - you claim fake news.

These are just a selection of the claims you have made. So how about you back them up with your sources as you repeatedly claim they are fake and state playstation are paying for these stories.

Lets not even get into your history of halo will never be on playstation (wrong), fable will never release day and date on playstation (wrong), Xbox is financially fine (wrong), they will only port live service games (wrong), and many, many more.

So the ball is in your court to back these up. You are very confident in your claims so show me why. I also hope you acknowledge your false claims if/when you are wrong. As you said in another comment, putting fake information online and leaving it there is poor form.

The floor is yours my friend.

@fatpunkslim you repeatedly say there are fake news stories. Some of which have been confirmed by Jez Corden, whom you have used as a source to back up claims in the past.

Its a very simple question. You say there are fake news stories. I just asked you what those stories are. You seem to be avoiding that question

@fatpunkslim please provide a list of the fake news stories.

Edit: why did you not @NishimaruX in response to their comment?

@Fiendish-Beaver there are going to be some sad losses in the coming week my friend.

@fatpunkslim please detail what these fake news stories are?

@NishimaruX cant say I disagree with any of the points you have made. The whole hogwarts thing was ridiculous. I saw folks banned for simply mentioning it in the comments. Truly was a bottom of the barrel low point. I think the biggest problem I have is they can often go looking for politics in games when they should just be talking about the games. On the flip side, there are some good writers in there whose work I do enjoy.

Completely understand why you would be tired of it all though.

@HonestHick as with all these companies, its a business and they need/want to make money. MS has splashed a whole lot of cash to move the xbox needle and now the books have to balance when it didnt. None of this is helped by the state of the world at present either.

Sony's CEO answered a question about releasing with Helix. He said they arent following a competitors path but he wants healthy competition.

Thats probably the rare occasion when I agree with one of them.

@Balaam_ Sony paid Jez Corden to confirm this rumour I've heard.

@HonestHick I saw a comment on the other site that pointed out they only have one IP for the 20 years they have been going, with the exception of a game that was cancelled after a years development. I know they work in a genre that doesnt really require multiple games to keep going, but it certainly made me think it could be bad news for them.

MS just need to pull the pin on whatever they are planning as the constant whispers are grim.

@fatpunkslim give it a rest with your console wars. IGN released its own data from clicks through its site. IGN are owned by the same folks as pushsquare and purexbox. Theres no grand conspiracy mate. Its just a website counting its clicks to affiliates. It means nothing.

This also wasn't fake news. The original line that spread was xbox had put 3rd party deals on pause, which this article confirms. Your digging for secret meanings is just tiring, nevermind the fact you are consistently wrong.

As i said in another article, it makes sense to pause these things if you are making internal changes. The flip side being that it would suggest changes are definitely coming. Good or bad is anyone's guess at this point.

@NishimaruX I find the community over there to be a good balance of folks. Obviously sites like this and pushsquare lean to one side or the other, but you tend to get more straight up game news on these sites.

Obviously there are good folks in the community here and at PS as well. You just tend to get more of the 'other folks', of whom im sure you are already well aware of.

@PsBoxSwitchOwner I still enjoy some of the articles they put up and the community, but i dont think I will ever forgive them for letting Ian Higton go.

@PsBoxSwitchOwner eurogamer has an article up on it. Gamerant also, but here's EG's

https://www.eurogamer.net/microsoft-xbox-game-pass-deals

@BaldB3lper78 I've read a few bits just then. It feels right to pause if they are restructuring, but the flip side is it would suggest somethings coming that affects them.

@themightyant I read an article about Chris Nolans new film the other day about him banning influencers from screenings and only inviting critics. The reasoning being that people are now becoming wary of all the overly positive statements from social media folks after being flown out to these things and basically treated like royalty for them. I wonder if the same will happen in the gaming space, although I personally doubt it will.

I do agree it was nice to see Fanfest return though. I imagine there are some genuine fans in the mix but the times we are in probably meant a good few were invited to spread the word. Never been to one myself but would have definitely been interested in going.

Id be interested to know how many fans in that audience were like the folks who comment on this website and how many were social media users with massive followings.

@fatpunkslim there is zero evidence playstation paid for IGN's post. They are using their own metrics to provide the info they hold, regardless of how irrelevant that info is in the grand scheme of things. Making stuff up is just stupid though.