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@Markatron84 possibly 5. Its hard to tell. I only fell in love with one. 10/10 on the dead granometer.

Id recommend everyone gives this a go but just be aware it wont be for everyone.

@somnambulance yeah indika is a solid game. I can see how it would be a bit heavy for some folks though.

@OldGamer999 yeah im looking forward to this one to

@fatpunkslim sigh its not my playstation.

There are more not on it than are. But who cares. I own multiples of all the consoles and enjoy games on them all. I dont need an xbox or a pc to play PS games, just as much as i dont need a PS to play xbox games. Next gen, I wont even need an xbox. I recommend you broaden your horizons as well.

No xbox doesnt have twice the monthly users. You are lumping PC users in. They are not on xbox. Again, im not standing up for playstation, but i dislike misinformation.

Im just tired of your absolute inability to look at things from a balanced view. Like when you were wrong about day one games. Your immediate reaction is let's put a line under it and move on. After months and months of you say the facts show this, the facts show that, only for it all to be fanboy nonsense. Yet you say i dont like a discussion.

I will say it again. I want xbox to thrive. I want them to do well. I just see what they are doing as a way to bail out and become a publisher. Which I do not want.

Lets just end it there to save you the effort of moving the goal posts or using some AI driven 'fact' to make yourself look sillier.

Enjoy your day mate and play some games.

Peace out.

@fatpunkslim but it wont let you play everything. Want to play gran tourismo? Sorry. And thats just one in a long list of ps games not even on PC.

They already stripped windows in the rog and its widely considered to still be a pain in the backside that stops it feeling like a console.

PC gamers already have rigs that will do all of this and yet PS is selling millions more than xbox despite that. Just because it has an xbox logo wont make them drop what they already have.

And then theres price. This is going to be a big thing and from the signs we already have, its gonna be a costly boy.

Look, it will have a market for people like yourself who are ingrained in the ecosystem. It may even tempt a few outliers, but it wont even sell series numbers.

Lets just agree to wait and see what comes in the future and we will see what the outcome is as all this, on both sides, is speculation until we know.

@Markatron84 oh you know it is...you know it is

@Markatron84 I got just the game to play...

@NeoRatt ahh, I misread that. I see now those folks who made it just gave a number. Either way, i dont get why youre upset about it. Its sold well on all for the time it was out on them

@NeoRatt i genuinely think they are just showing it sold well on thm all.

@FraserG of course. Enjoy your weekend chief.

@NeoRatt its actual data released by folks who made it showing how it tracked. They arent trying to win something.

@Markatron84 This would be some sixth sense levels of a reveal 😂. Drop my wedding ring in slow mo as @FraserG slowly appears.

@FatGuyInLilCoat I need to learn this approach. Either that or they need to ban him for trolling. The place would be better for it 😂

@GuyinPA75 @Fiendish-Beaver bit younger than the beaver here (sorry man 😂) but old enough to feel the pain you speak of.

Once windows gets involved, no matter how stripped down or what you overlay it with, it will continue to rear its head repeatedly. Theres a reason the giant bomb folks rated the xbox full screen experience in the top 3 dissapointments of 2025 and its simply because it was not an xbox. Superb kit, but not an xbox.

@eduscxbox sorry man, just spotted your second comment. This we agree on. Microsoft can make a ton off games. Hence why they are making a PC and inevitably just going towards being a publisher with its own storefront.

@eduscxbox it wont be an xbox then will it. It will be a PC with an xbox sticker and an app, as i said earlier. If they arent making xbox games, I can buy an alienware PC and just get the same thing.

@GuyinPA75 100% with you. Which is why I want xbox to release an actual xbox.

@fatpunkslim im not showing cynicism, im quoting facts. Its no coincidence that every other website (no offence folks here, I know you have to do your best with what you have) state that this is all negative for xbox.

I mean, maybe im the fool for expecting you to actually be any different. But then again, you were 100% on the money that games wouldn't release on PS day and date. You even had all the facts to back it up. So youre right, I take everything you just said as the absolute truth of the matter.

Edit 'very good news for the next xbox, which is a PC'. So its not an xbox then.. 🤦‍♂️

@fatpunkslim its a 4% increase over 2024 results and that seemed to bring plenty of games to the system. You seem to avoid the 14% drop in interest to develop for xbox compared to 2024.

To try and say the platform that had increased interest is in a bad place compared to the plummet in the one you clearly favour is quite the take.

You are also ignoring that devs could pick multiple choices in the survey. So half of that 80% could have picked PS5 as well. Meaning the difference would be the 40% solely focused on PC, as it could be the 60% that said the same towards not developing on xbox.

Either way, its multiple somersaults through many hoops to try and make this a positive. This is despite your constant talk of facts and people not liking them.

@Naughtyottsel92 the whole it'll have PS on xbox thing just makes me laugh as by accessing the selection available on PC means that they will have to cut MS out of any profit. To play them they woud likely be bought through steam, epic, etc. Literally the opposite of xbox games on PS. Sony dont spend a penny on those games and take a cut. They already sunk the cost into the PC versions and will get a cut of every sale the new 'xbox' will play. MS get nothing, which removes the point of having an xbox entirely as you can do all the same stuff through a PC.

@eduscxbox true but if the box plays pc versions of the latest games, why waste money on developing an xbox version.

Then folks can buy that in a steam sale, cutting xbox out of any sales.

I suppose consoles are ecosystems more than a box. You sell a box that can let you ignore the eco system and pick up games cheaper, then you made no profit over the initial sale. Therein, what's the point. If that makes sense.

I can buy multiple brand pre built PC's. They get not another penny over that initial sale. This is essentially (from what we know) the same thing xbox will be. The bonus being you can access (hopefully) all your library native. But even thats not certain as the bulk of it is streamed at present.

@Sakai enjoyed the conversation my friend. Hope you have a good day!

@eduscxbox because an xbox doesn't give the option to delete the os, storefront and install another one. Its a bespoke, closed eco system to develop for without multiple hardware options that can be upgraded by simply buying a new graphics card.

This is why PC versions need console ports and vice versa.

The same reason you cant just boot up your xbox games on a pc if they dont have a pc version.

A PC is not this.

@Sakai no worries. As I said in a comment above, the problem with a hybrid is even if people buy the box, they arent necessarily going to enter the xbox eco system. Heck, they could buy it, delete all the xbox stuff and just use it as a PC for steam. Its probably why price is going to be a premium.

The 60% who said they wont develop for xbox and stick to PC will just do the same and sell it on steam. Xbox wont see another penny from those apart from the initial sale of the box (whatever it turns out to be).

Essentially they will sell a PC with an app overlay like the ally x. Once you base it on windows though, you can just remove the lot, Including windows. Have a little search for videos of the rog were people removed all the xbox/windows stuff. Performance far outstrips what you get out of the box.

Strange times though and I hope they do something to compete with Sony and Nintendo. Competition only benefits us at the end of they day

@eduscxbox the problem is its not going to be an xbox. It will be a PC with an app. Folks who want PC already have one and most people will just buy from steam apart from the loyal folks. That 80% already have a market and the devs arent gonna be making xbox versions. Its basically going to be a storefront and just look how epic have struggled to bring the PC crowd on board.

On the flip side though, what other route can they go as another console will likely not increase their market share.

@Sakai I just looked at the 2024 results. 66% said developing for PC, 35% PS5, 34% xbox.

Basically PC is the biggest increase, PS is actually an increase and xbox has dropped a fair bit.

It pretty much reflects the market today in terms of PC growth, PS in a steady place and Xbox struggling.

@Sakai xbox and PS are essentially the same system when it comes to how a game runs, with obvious nuances. So its mainly about reach. Would they use money to reach 30 odd million or 80 odd million. If 10% of the audience bought their games for example, the bigger audience will always sell the bigger numbers and will likely bring more money in for the same development costs.

While yes they are asking individuals, these people will range from single dev studios to one dev from a massive team. Thats why they ask a sample group as you get a variance of situations.

I dont have the historical data so you could well be right, but just go look on steam. There are piles and piles of games that are just added there we will likely never hear of. Plus this is 3rd party stuff.

It all boils down to budget and resource. Huge teams for big devs will aim everywhere. Smaller devs will focus on getting into the widest market first, which will always be pc. If it makes enough, aim for the next biggest market and so on unless you are lucky enough to land a viral hit or something.

@Sakai pretty standard. There are hundreds upon hundreds of small indie games released on PC and its far easier to get anything on a budget on there. It also has the widest reach.

Not all studios have the budget to go to console as well and few games overall sell numbers to cover development costs and a console port.

Adding windows to anything is absolutely not a benefit.

If youre excited for the pcxbox love child, just build yourself a PC. Same result but you can have it now.

Ive said this a few times but if the next xbox is essentially a PC, why focus efforts on an xbox version when it'll will just play the PC one. While the next gen is likely some time off, I imagine this will become more and more the case sadly.

@fatpunkslim ummm you can stream any game you purchase on PS via the cloud. Its been that way for quite some time (providing its a digital purchase).

I always said its a good business decision. If you ain't selling the consoles, sell the games where people are playing them.

@OldGamer999 Its mental to think there has been an entire console generation in the space between GTA 5 and 6. Even more wild that it still regularly tops sales charts

@somnambulance the surprise may be what delights us, the people that haunt places like this. But go to any casual and its GTA. I remember when 5 launched. People who hadn't gamed for years were ordinary the game, a console and taking days of work. Absolutely mental the reach that game has.

@themightyant It affects all subs but id say its more associated with gamepass with the whole day one release/pay to play earlier, DLC included thing.

I didnt actually know they did that when stuffs delisted, definitely a good thing. I suppose though at the point its delisted - with the caveat you continued to sub - you already paid about quadruple the value of the game, so its the least they can do ha ha.

Hope you and yours are good my man.

The thing that always irks me with this is once you unsub, the games gone and you forked out 60 bucks (in this instance) for dlc you cant use. Unless you have a cheap stack of GP you have to continue to sub and will pay far more than just buying it outright.

Edit: how long was it between release and dlc's last time round?

@Lazar_Kaganovitch let it go man, nobody cares as much as you think they do.

@fatpunkslim apologies man, I missed your other comment. Big respect for holding your hands up though. We can both agree that this looks great and we are looking forward to playing it.

Well there it is. @fatpunkslim, interested in your thoughts on the day and date release across consoles as this is very different from your predictions.

Looking forward to giving this a whirl.

@GamerScore200K this will be a 'free', ad supported way to play the games you own if you dont subscribe to gamepass is my take. Not for me personally as ad's do my head in, but folks out there will make use of it.

@Markatron84 THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELLS YOU! THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELLS YOU!

Mine lapsed and I havent renewed it. With 3 kids, work and the travel I do it just didnt hold the value at the new price with the time I get to play. My kids only really played one or two games on xbox so it was just cheaper to buy them outright and they fill their boots with them.

With the majority (all) now going to PS i can save money as i use that more now when I get the time. My backlog on xbox vanished when gamepass did so im playing through my backlog on PS and will pick up any xbox releases I want on PS in a sale at a later date.

@Fiendish-Beaver I do miss the old days of fiesty comment sections 😂

@Fiendish-Beaver I fear you are wasting your efforts with this one my friend. He has a very blinkered view and will certainly not entertain rational or logic. I see he even called someone for not tagging him in but does this multiple times himself.

At the end of it I think you are on the money. Theres clearly sales to be had that xbox arent able to make on their own system. They had a plan, it didnt work so they moved the games to where people will buy them. Its good business. But trying to paint it that they did it to be the good guys is silly. They did it because they weren't getting enough sales or subs. Like we said the other day, it will be interesting to see what fable does. If it is day one across the board, everything our man up there has been saying goes out the window so it will be interesting to see the change in position they go for.

@Fiendish-Beaver the combat is massively improved in the sequel and is much more enjoyable. In general, it refines everything in every way and the game is better for it, yet it still retains the magic the first one grabbed you with.

@Fiendish-Beaver oh man, if you enjoyed the first one, the second is going to blow you away. My personal game of the year.

'PS: What really stands out is your tendency to defend PlayStation beyond all reason, And failing to see any value in the Xbox ecosystem, even though objectively it offers more than any other.'

This has to be the single most hypocritical post i have ever read.

A company that paid around 90 billion dollars to buy publishers, literally came out and agreed that they did it as they were planning to make their games exclusive, failed to improve sales and is now saying exclusives arent important.

It does not take a genius to figure out why. And they are all facts. Not opinions played as facts or selective truths through a skewed lense. Stone cold facts.

I also wouldn't class playstation games accessible to all on xbox when its via a 1000 dollar handheld that has an xbox badge stuck to it and an app that lets you access about 8% of your games library. Its also certainly not all playstation games either. The mental gymnastics are unreal.

Its okay to say its not panned out as planned. Its okay to pivot. But lordy lord, stop peddling PR lines that are fed out out as damage control. We all want xbox to keep going, but the bottom line is that its basically gonna be an app on a pc going forward. And thats fine as long as we still get the games.

@Fiendish-Beaver id imagine that the money they pull in off the platform will probably encourage earlier release for other games, if not day and date.

Will be interesting to see what Fable does on this front.

Once windows comes into the mix im out. Anybody not ingrained in the xbox circle knows that windows gaming is a horror show. I just want to put a game in and play it. I dont want to be updating drivers and any of that faff that comes with PC gaming. If you can live with it then fair play to you, but its not for me at all. Will be the first gen I havent bought an xbox on release and honestly, it makes me sad.