@VisitingComet1 so you are saying that they should know how many people are going to play the game, before its made, to determine the budget it gets given to be made?

That math does not math.

The budget of the game is what it costs to develop it, not some random figure you make up based on how many folks played it afterwards.

@awp69 yeah I got the feeling it would be. Absolutely awful thing but full marks for the novel approach

@GuyinPA75 saw and agreed with all of it. I might change my metrics and decide im a millionaire. I still cant buy a Ferrari.

@VisitingComet1 counting three million players on gamepass as 3 million sales is absolutely not the same thing when those 3 million paid a fraction of the release price. Then you take into account all the other games they can access for that price, its basically pennies per game

'I believe in fairness, accountability, and holding ourselves to the standards we expect of others. Those standards only mean something when they’re applied consistently. I have serious concerns about how they were applied in my case, and I believe those concerns deserve to be taken seriously.'

Yep, absolutely no malice towards anyone in that statement.

@RTGX agree with you. Xbox will always be around, but i can see it moving to a very expensive, niche hardware in the short term and then essentially becoming a launcher in the way epic or steam is across other folks hardware. Games will go everywhere that plays them and they will continue via that road. The brand will be forever, I just dont see the console side of things doing the same.

As was said recently, twitter likes dont sell games or consoles. For every month that passes, they drop further behind. Whipping the faithful up doesnt bring in new money, but i have a feeling asha knows that and is just getting them onside for whats coming down the line.

@strzelec because those folks would rather have one over the 'ponys' in a made up war than actually help their box of choice succeed.

@Banjo- Really worth a playthrough. The atmosphere they create is brilliant.

@awp69 because targets may have been lowered for the new quarter following a decline last quarter. Without knowing what they are aiming for, we cant say its better.

Also across 2 quarters, its a 12% decline as they still haven't made up the losses from last quarter when viewed as a whole. They are just further down the ladder.

@BigMike22 I know, Nadella was talking about big games to play this holiday season. Just seemed odd he didnt count E Day in one of the ones he mentioned.

@Banjo- 100% from the old leadership. Like i said, the fact they let it get to this level is insane.

Edit: just to add to this, after checking pretty much every retailer i can think of, Series x/s is in stock. Which would suggest supply isnt an issue in some places, demand however very much is.

@HonestHick I suppose its more frustrating than anything. For me, they were 10% in the hole last time, 2% this time, which may seem less but as a whole, they still haven't recouped the 10% they lost last quarter. In fact they dug 2% deeper. I also wonder how much was saved from that loss by cutting wages/studios.

Like I say, gotta start somewhere. Im just struggling to see the light coming yet.

@Banjo- stock is a huge factor, agree, but i think the bigger problem is it wasnt in stock well before they increased the prices. I saw one chap saying they've been unavailable in stores where he is in Sweden for two years. I really dont understand how they let this happen.

I do respect your positive take on it though. Its just where you see sold out, I see unavailable.

So a drop in gamepass subs, drops in hardware, drops in everything xbox related, after the drops in last quarter, and thats supposed to be a positive.

And the supply constraints thing is just spin. If you have one xbox in a shop and two people want to buy it, demand outstrips supply. There are folks on here from different countries who say there are none available. Its not hard to outstrip that supply.

I get that they have to start somewhere but Sharma was trumpeting a return to growth (for 1st party games) not that long ago. Yet, theres literally zero growth in these numbers. I honestly feel like there is nobody in that company with an actual plan.

I also see that Nadella called out some big selling games for this season yet E Day was not mentioned.

From what Jez Cordon said in his article, she was exceptionally well liked and thought of at all levels. To then be binned off after 21 years with 2 sentences just feels odd.

Clearly all is going swimmingly over there when you fire your new COO after 3 months.

That could have paid for E Day.

@HonestHick thanks man. I enjoy are little chit chats. We may not agree all the time but its always pleasant and never a chore to engage with you.

Cheers brother.

@Banjo- hey, I'll behave if you do 😉😂. No promises though!

And to be fair, i didnt tag you in originally.

@fatpunkslim As soon as Saidi Arabia got involved with EA it was probably just a matter of time. They will just want the money spinners full of loot boxes churned out every year.

Like you, I was really looking forward to Blade and seeing what they did with it. Such a shame. Hopefully Xbox can find someone before the deadline hits.

@fatpunkslim according to the report, Blade is pretty much near the end of development and folks internally at arcane are very pleased.

Such an odd situation to have something there you can release soon and just pull the pin

@Banjo- dude, did you really go through that person's entire comment history on other sites looking for something you think would justify your position?

In all seriousness, dont let things get to you that much. Its just comments on a website. While I disagree with some of your comments (you may be surprised that I agree with quite a few as well), in real life I would happily sit and have a beer with you and we'd probably have a good time. Don't let things on here eat at you so much, as it can take a toll if you do.

@HonestHick im very much ready to dive into it again. Gonna be my game for to play over the festive season this year.

I have a pro controller and it is well worth the purchase. Feels lovely in the hand.

@HonestHick that Zelda switch model is going to sell like wild fire isnt it. I saw one of the nintendo execs come out the other day and say they massively underestimated how popular it was going to be. The only thing that will hold it back is availability.

@happy_hands_hamm thank you, genuinely appreciated.

@Balaam_ Sadly the majority of folks that buy up consoles are already digital. Folks who grew up with and care about physical games are going the same way as discs compared to the majority.

@Schonks they are available in stores in the UK.

https://www.currys.co.uk/search?q=Series+x

Would you not say Wolverine also went through a smear campaign and seems to have done okay.

I imagine this will be partly, if not all, due to the GTA marketing

@Schonks I mean I agree with what you are saying, all valid points, it doesnt change the point that its monetising users though.

For example, on the flip side though, sonys sub gives you unlimited streaming for games you own or via the plus library. Also third party digital sales are coming to sony once discs are gone, so a bit late, but at least theres something coming on that front I suppose.

My point was they all have plusses and minuses and all want more of our money. I wasn't suggesting one was better than the other. Just that some folks will defend one for doing the same as the other (which goes both ways, depending what box they favour).

@Banjo- im not sure what you are on about here. I believe you opened the thread with a negative comment. I was speaking to another user and you appear to have then responded aggressively to us all, claiming we are the same user.

And yes, I will comment negatively occasionally when I think it is deserved. Which is what we should be doing to hold them to account instead of accepting everything they do is gospel.

I also dont appreciate being called a troll just because I dont agree with your opinion.

@Llamageddon some folks just instantly say you are a sony fan if you even try to disagree with MS/Xbox. I wouldn't bother if I was you.

@fatpunkslim we know windows has always been the basis of Xbox OS, but it is very different to full windows, such as is found on the rog ally x, which uses a skin to emulate the xbox os, but still has all the windows bloat and issues underneath.

If they go with the full fat OS as usual, no issues.

If they go full windows and the issues that brings, its reasonable folks dont want that.

You state things like facts but neither you, me or anyone outside xbox knows right now. You shouldn't be dismissive of people's concerns when none of us know the facts yet.

@BacklogBrad I tried galaxy racer on luna as part of my prime sub. Never really looked at it before but theres a decent selection on there

While never said out loud, this feels awfully like the start of the 'monetising existing users' a lot of folks give Sony grief for.

@Coletrain it reads that way. Although depending how heavy you use it, it could add up cost wise.

Edit: in a 30 day month, 50 hours gives you just over an hour and a half each day.

@Rimebreaker 'There is likely no single entity with the financial capability to buy Xbox as a whole.'

Sadly, Saudi Arabia is probably watching from the wings.

@Millionski I have a steamdeck also and SteamOS puts windows to shame doesnt it.

@Banjo- all about those clicks my man

@strzelec As others have said, they will likely end up around the same performance wise, but support for FSR is far more common as of today as its been around a lot longer than QSSR which is very much a new thing.

@fatpunkslim it was good to hear she fought for it and, fom the sounds of it, is winning that battle. The Fortune article is a good read as well if you haven't already done so

@IllusiveMan im absolutely with you here. I do not want windows anywhere near my gaming experience and that tidbit about helix is not filling me with confidence.

I would by an xbox handheld that ditches windows in a heartbeat

@fatpunkslim agree with everything here except the 'significantly more expensive' comment. If you buy at resale then yes, its ridiculous. If you buy at retail, while slightly more expensive, it certainly isnt significantly more.

Edit: UK examples...

Series x disc 1tb model at curries £669

PS Pro 2TB model £789.

Certainly more expensive but taking into account double the storage and additional features, not significantly so. Disc drive is an additional expense but still well below the resale figures you quoted.

Finding one in stock on the other hand is a different issue.

@PsBoxSwitchOwner true for QSSR on the base PS5, but they are asking about PSSR which is only on the pro model.

@strzelec simply put no, because PSSR 2.0 is only available on more powerful hardware.

@Trojan unless PS simply release an add on drive like they did this gen. Same for helix 🤷‍♂️

Also, you can put series x games in an xbox one and it will pull the licence.

@Fiendish-Beaver regarding exclusives, it does say in the article that the role is for delivering to 'all platforms', so you may very well be right

@Nakatomi_Uk a 1000 times this

Shu is a legend regardless of which side of the wall you sit

@Millionski they're both as bad as each other for me. As long as we keep getting games to play, thats all that matters. Even if they releases the same code, Gta will play best on pro regardless, so if im paying full price, I will get it there.

Same with all the exclusive stuff going on. I will just get a game where it either plays best or on the box its available on, if its something i want to play. I just want to play games I enjoy, wherever they are, at the best they can be played.