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@Friendly Sony has been making a profit off each PS5 sold for a few years now. They don't sell at a loss.

@Fiendish-Beaver you can jump into all parts at anytime from what i recall 👍

@Kaloudz it's wild man, truly wild.

@Kaloudz the only saving grace for xbox/PS is that their games hit sales and get a fairly decent price drop. That simply doesn't really happen on Nintendo titles. At least if they initially go up we know they will drop into a sale at some point that's more reasonable.

Folks will still be paying 89.99 for Mario kart world in 5, 6 years time. Even more wild is it will still be selling bucketloads at that point as well.

@Titntin I'm with you. The whole thing felt like a grubby cash grab.

So far I'm on my third set of joy cons, two dual senses replaced and as of yesterday, three x box pads down, all with stick drift.

My dual senses probably get most ware and tare but still, at the price of pads these days you'd think they'd last longer.

The bottom line of it all is MS ported their games to bring in more revenue due to the stagnation of services and plunging console sales. Not to be every gamers friend. Sony simply doesn't have to port them yet as console sales continue to grow and ps plus has millions more subs than GP at the last released figures (though they likely are in the same stagnation).

The caveat being the word 'yet'.

I could have dreamt it in a middle aged fever dream to be fair pal 😂

@Fiendish-Beaver that's the one. Glorious collectors edition. It is indeed going to playstation as well though.

@Fiendish-Beaver is that the one with the tablet? If so, that's going to bud.

@themightyant we're here all week my man, here all week 🙂

@Kaloudz ahhhh man, I didn't know about your medical side of things and I'm sorry to hear that. 100% agree that refund policies across the board should be more like steam. Especially when it comes to reasons beyond a simple 'I didn't like it'.

Thanks for taking time to explain your viewpoint. While it differs from mine, I can't disagree with anything you said as to why it fits for you. The fact we are all different just makes the world more interesting. If only others could solve their differences with a conversation eh!

@Kaloudz I appreciate you man. I felt obliged to highlight it as most folks instantly think it's a dig.

100% respect and understand your points. Value wise they are untouchable, especially for folks like you.

I think I just struggle with the new direction. It feels like the death of the competition between them and Sony, and that's the thing that really pushed them both to be better.

Then again, maybe I'm just an old drama queen 😂

@Millionski I picked up a pro more for the upcoming games than the patches for the ones we already had. It seems assassins creed shadows is the first to really use it to that extent. DF describe the pro features as a generational difference. Hopefully (hopefully) this is the start of the trend.

@OldGamer999 wait wait wait. You returned your pro. After you got your series x back because your son came to stay after you sold your series x. Now your getting stuff on your pro again.

@Kaloudz first off, this is not a pop buddy. What right moves have MS made recently because everything looks like missteps to me.

They spent billions to get exclusives but that resulted in them having to go multiplatform.

They've basically killed off interest in their consoles.

Gamepass just isn't growing, even with call of duty. Yes, pc subs went up by 30 percent but revenue only increased by 2%, even after a price increase, meaning they lost a ton of subscribers.

Now that they have games, they can't keep them on their box or they simply don't make enough to justify it.

I just don't see any positives.

@Ricky-Spanish @themightyant I'm with you man. Also the amount of times games update and reinstall the old gen version as well as the new gen version gets right on my nerves.

Can't see see this catching on as nobody on xbox buys games. Or their consoles.

Am I right or am I right?

I'll get me coat.

(Jokes people, stay calm)

Folks should give it a go if it arrives. It's a decent 7 out of 10. It won't start a revolution but it certainly won't ruin your week either.

@HelloCraigo best of luck man.

@Millionski this year's one seems a bit of a quick fix to test the waters but it's not for me. I'd prefer a straight up xbox handheld in the vain of the vita (rip) than a reskin of one that's already out. Plus, rog ally isn't exactly cheap so I'm not sure i see the point to be honest. Feels like a bit of a cash grab until a better, refined thing comes along.

Appreciate the response though my man

So this will just be a rog ally with an xbox advert on it, not an xbox handheld, as you can already do all of these things on an existing rog ally.

Thats a pass from me. The 2027 one is the one ill keep my eye on.

It's kinda depressing that it feels like MS screwed the pooch to the point they just decide to ignore a generation and move on.

I'm all for new tech but can anyone really say they used what we all bought to it's full potential?

I'll hang fire for more details. There's been rumours and reports on rumours, yet everyone is now throwing out things in this thread like they have the exact details of the system. They don't. Nobody does outside of MS. Let's wait and see what's coming and, more importantly, what it costs.

A TV friendly PC is great but it all comes down to cost. If you want an all singing box under there, then you best start saving.

If you go for a budget PC at a console price then it's pretty pointless.

Then you have to look at letting folks access other store fronts such as steam, epic, gog, etc... Buying from these literally cuts off any money from the sale from MS.

So many questions that only time will answer I guess. My money is the next xbox will be a handheld and a streaming box.

@IOI while done a different way you get the same result. Just open an account registered in Turkey, japan or another country, set the console as your main, buy a localised psn voucher and you can buy games cheap as chips and play them on your own.

Not that I condone this behaviour, of course.

I suppose this was a bubble that would inevitably burst at some point. I know of many folks both on Xbox and PSN that purchase from other store fronts and save a fair amount.

Xbox one 2013

Xbox series X 2020

A month or so ago they had signed off on the specs and now there's dev kits? I just don't buy this one bit unless it's a portable using the same dev kits.

The drums were my go to. I have a feeling there's zero chance of getting a new kit though.

I had to delete this game as i would probably have ended up losing my job, family and home to the 'just one more run" urge.

@Cakefish the problem with this is while subs are up 30%, revenue from subs was actually down.

This means that others have dropped the sub otherwise revenue would increase in line with the sub increase. Not saying numbers have dropped, they are likely still plateaued around the same.

Edit: correction, revenue from services actually increased but only by 2%. So while subs went up by 30% on PC, revenue was 28% less. So they clearly lost subs somewhere or the revenue would show much higher/similar growth. Likely this will be balanced out by folks subscribing short term to play a game and then not resubbing.

Gamepass is still clearly bringing money in, but the 1 billion a quarter is revenue that doesn't deduct costs. Would be interesting to see what the actual figure is with development costs, etc... deducted.

Just for reference: https://gamerant.com/xbox-game-pass-revenue-record/

@themightyant oh there's no denying the value if you use GP a lot, even at full price. It just makes me chuckle when the more feral of supporters don't give them any money for it.

while I absolutely agree you should use every loophole, i never understand when people sing about the value of gamepass when they aren't even paying for it. Of course it's good value if it's free, but I kinda think it's part of the bigger problem.

@Titntin even if by some miracle it did turn up next year, I highly doubt it will stem the current trends for them. Without even considering the exclusivity of games, at present folks are just building digital libraries on the machine they have at the minute. Another console may hold a game they want but its an uphill struggle to get them to fork out for a 2nd box for a couple of games or, alternatively if they only buy one console, walk away from their libraries.

Like you, I've been gaming long enough to hear all the 'biggest generational leap' talk a million times. We've reached a point where there are no generational leaps anymore in consoles. They need strong features these days and even then, are they enough to make people leave their library. As long as Sony make it clear that all your games go with you, then folks will buy whatever comes next for them. It happened last gen when xbox dropped the ball and we are seeing the results of that this gen.

I will definitely pick up whatever xbox put out next (the handheld talk has my eye) but i think it's gonna be more or less the same sales patterns as we see now.

And hey, as long as they keep making games, we'll keep playing them. Just maybe not in the places we thought at the start of this gen.

@dreadful The amount of money COD makes on other platforms pretty much guarantees it will always remain on them.

@Millionski as an aside, it's nice to have a good conversation about these things on here for a change without the usual accusations from some.

Appreciated my man.

@themightyant 100% agree that Sony need competition. The last thing we need is an arrogant Sony phase again

@GuyinPA75 if sexy Julian gets involved that console will sell like a sh*t bird flying to the liquor store

@Millionski really? I thought he was the opposite. I'd be curious to hear his and @themightyant think. @fiendishbeaver what say thee

@Millionski I'd go late 27. They haven't even designed it yet, just signed off on the tech in it

@Millionski never gonna happen with the stage it's at

@Millionski there's no way we get next gen boxes anytime soon. It was reported recently that the new box had been signed off at the very early stages. That ain't arriving for a few years yet

@Cakefish a lot happened in the last 12 months that hit people right in the wallets.

Edit; also worth noting jan 2024 was a five week sales period. Jan 25 was 4 weeks. Wont make much difference but it will a little.

Let's be honest, nobody likes spending in January and I'm sure most purchases will be done the month before for christmas

@Fiendish-Beaver I was just reading that on EG. It sheds a very different light on the info that was given yesterday

@Millionski the simple answer is because that's where the majority now have their digital libraries after the last gen. The majority of purchasers (casual folks) simply won't drop it for GP

@TheEstablishment while I don't necessarily disagree, it just saddens me that as gamers we are all celebrating revenue rather than games.

The fact everybody now refers to Xbox as a brand and not a console tells you everything you need to know.

As a brand it is flying, as a box it it is not.

One thing that stood out to me in the quote is they say games can 'be played on any screen with Xbox'. They refer to Xbox as an entity here rather than an item (eg. any screen with 'an' Xbox). Which makes me think all these games are gonna be going everywhere. Which is cool as I'd be down for playing some on the switch 2 when I grab one.

@fatpunkslim at this point I just read your comments in absolute wonder at the somersaults.