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@Cakefish I'm not sure PS5 is up YoY in terms of console sales...Wasn't PS5 in november 2025 40% down YoY? (if I remember Circana numbers correctly) And also down YoY in december?

For Xbox it's pretty clear. They didn't offer any deals during Black Friday/Christmas to protect their margins, so they are way down. Not remotely surprising.

Not surprising since BLOPS 7 kinda blew in their face.
Content & Services revenue fell 300 million YoY, which is kinda what happens when you go from record setting Call of Duty game (BO6) to sequel that barely scraped into TOP 5 (BO7).

But I wouldn't make big thing out of this. This year's slate is way stronger from commercial standpoint. So while next quarter won't be anything to write poems about (because Xbox has no new games coming), then thing should get better.

I mean, I would take Forza Horizon 6 + Halo CE Remake + COD MW4 + Fable + Gears of War E-Day vs. DOOM TDA, South of Midnight, Avowed, BLOPS 7 and The Outer Worlds 2 any day of week. From terms of revenue potential.

@abe_hikura Obviously. Digital Upgrade is going up with price because Premium Edition cost more. Hence expansions will be probably more expensive

I guess this is Xbox's way to increase price of games without increasing price of games.

Let base version stay at usual price, but jack up price of Premium versions of games.

I bought vouchers immediately after price hike, so I'm good until 2028.
It's a great service for me and in current time (and sheer amount of games I'm playing from service) I would even be able to justify paying 26,99€ per month for it. Although I would be glad if they made additional tier without Fortnite Crew (and maybe without COD) but with day one games for like 21,99€ or something like that.

I remember outrage when Microsoft announced FH5 for PS5. How dare they charge full price for 4 years old game...

...seems like it was right choice lol.

@Fiendish-Beaver I think that trying to release two AAA game from one studio in short span of time could lead to catastrophe. Like, I know that PG have separate teams for both project, but they are still one studio.

It's like Obsidian with Avowed and TOW2. I would argue that pressure is even higher because to me FH6/Fable combo is more high profile than Avowed/TOW2 (I'm not counting Grounded 2, because that was Eidos Montreal game and Early Access game). You had to give them at least half a year of flexibility to respond to potential hiccups or unforeseen stuff.

I'm not particularly worried about Fable. It required huge amount of time because PG had to build entire team for a game, convert "racing engine" (Forza Tech) to support RPG and then pandemic also happened. If project was in bad shaped, they would have canned it with Everwild and PD.

To me fact that they even found time to make PS5 port alongside Xbox and PC suggest that game is in final stretch of development. To me, only reason for delay would be to space out games like Microsoft did in late 2024 with Avowed.

@Fiendish-Beaver I don't think it's necessary to show exact date for Fable during D_D. Especially when you have summer showcase where you can pinpoint that date. I expect something like "fall 2026" or something like that.

To me fact that they are showing Fable during D_D means that they are pretty confident that they are hitting this year. Otherwise I would expect E-Day instead of Fable during presentation.

@ILuvGames You still need to put Call of Duty somewhere. Also there is GTA VI you need to avoid in november (if game won't be delayed into 2027 obviously).
So I would not be surprised if Gears, for example, was late august game, while Fable would be in september. That could give you space for COD in October and then Halo remake in november.

DD with Forza, Fable and Gears E-Day would be awesome

Putting TOW 2 ahead of Kingdom Come is certainly a choice...

It's good-to-great. I get that many people with shake their hands because of direction of campaign, but I found it genuinely fun, especially endgame.
Of course there are few gripes like story that isn't coherent and some design constraints (teammates talking to you even if they are not there, because two players disconnected or lack of in-mission saves).

MP is way better than BO6 at launch with better maps and few interesting ideas (Overclocks on scorestreaks and equipment).

I played only one Zombies round so I can't give my opinion on that just yet.

So while it isn't the best COD, it's miles away from MW3 for example.

I would be more glad if they would finally expand number of countries where Rewards are available.
I truly don't understand why Microsoft Rewards ARE available, but Xbox Rewards are not...

Campaign looks plain bad. I don't know why they are even bothering with it tbh. I would rather them pour resources to make more MP maps than this...

@themightyant Also, what he can blame Microsoft for? They literally gave him everything. Exciting location where huge amount of big studios are to poach devs from...
...when things went south, they gave them Certain Affinity as co-dev...
...when that went south they gave them Crystal Dynamics as co-dev...
Despite that nothing. After 8 years of funding.

So my Rog ally will probably get this sooner. Nice.

@Questionable_Duck Yeah. I'm sure they do that to appease Arrowhead. Especially since they own the IP and Arrowhead already told that they are making their next game without Sony

/s

And some people still think that Helldivers 2 is an exception and not standard moving forward lol...

Only "downside" is when you are achievement hunter. Because when you have Sony's approach, you can technically earn trophies for one game twice (one for PS5 and second for PS4 version) while on Xbox, Series X/S and One SKU are treated as one game. So only one achievement list.

Otherwise it's awesome.

That's not happening. Microsoft is not giving up ads on dashboard

@Kaloudz Vertical slice is like a preview of a final game. So for example you will take one planned level and make it complete - as if you was planning to ship it as a full game. Everything from visuals to gameplay systems and VO. It's like a proof of concept for your game and it then serve as a blueprint for rest of a production.

@Kaloudz Basically full production means that you know the game you are building (thanks to vertical slice) and you have stuff like script and all required info (number of levels etc) and you are actually building all that stuff.

It's also most intensive part of dev proces in terms of size of team.

@Fiendish-Beaver No, it doesn't mean anything like that

It just mean that Everwild was in dev hell. Which is obvious since it was in some form of development for decade. So Microsoft axed it...

Lol. EA that did 4 layoffs in last 7 months has an audacity to lecture...

@Kaloudz They went in full production in late 2024. Exact month is unknown.

From public information from Remedy and Naughty Dog, full AAA game production tend to last 2-3 years. Same as that cancelled Blackbird MMO from ZOS that was ready to enter full production with goal of shipping a game in 2028. Witcher 4 also entered full production late last year with shipping goal for 2027.

Of course that is when production is relatively smooth.

So, Grubb was right on money when he said that Blade is targeting 2027 as a release year...

Not surprising and not necessary to have this game ready for 2026. Especially since Xbox already have plenty of games for 2026. If that Fable/Forza Horizon 6/Gears of War E-Day/Halo CE Remaster tease will come to fruition. Plus obligatory COD (MW4)

Xbox had over 20k employees last year. So I truly don't know where Brussard took that 10k number from.

I think Microsoft will axe huge chunks in COD mobile development since Warzone Mobile flopped hard.

From what I read, 2018 Xbox studios (Undead, Obsidian, inXile, Ninja Theory, Compulsion Games, Playground and I guess also Double Fine) have a wording in their buyout contracts that should prevent them from shutting down. Instead it would be Toys for Bob type of situation - going independent. Although PG obviously isn't under threat. And I guess Undead, Obsidian and inXile are also safe.

Unfortunately, this is all because of ABK merger that left Xbox division in 70 billion deep hole and more importantly left them at forefront of financial oversight of Microsoft, since Xbox is literally third biggest moneymaker for Microsoft.

Not surprising considering Ubisoft will have weak 2025 in terms of releases.
They can spread stuff like PoP Remake into other shows during this week.

lol. 5 people on X is not "huge"

People need to realise that this is "niche within the niche" situation. Number of people who buy physical version of games is already dropping. People who will refuse to buy a physical game when full game is small percentage of already small percentage of people who are buying physical

@themightyant With Nintendo introducing "Game key" cartridges, it's just pretty obvious which way wind is blowing.

@themightyant I didn't say he/she was id dev. i just said "game dev." If I remember correctly he/she was DICE dev in the past.

So it was more of a general statement, no directly tied do DOOM: TDA.

@themightyant Well, I'm not gonna argue. I just posted this straight from game dev's mouth to shed some light.

Because when you look at this, you can counter-argue "just delay the game 6 weeks"

At the end of the day, this issue covers "niche within niche." If people are so angry about it, then they just won't buy a game. But it's pretty clear that they are not that many, because publishers would not be doing that.

COD games are best sellers almost every year despite them pulling this stuff.

@themightyant One of the game devs on ResetEra explained it.

"It takes 6 weeks usually to cert and print discs. 6 weeks that are better spent on the game and not distracting the team to final a disc build. Not a surprise. Would take this any day."

"In the past it was a trade off that studios did, less dev time on the game and possibly more crunch to finish the disc build. As time goes and digital becomes an ever more present reality, studios are deciding where to put their priority, and more and more teams are opt-ing for that to be the full day 1 release and thus you are seeing these compromises with discs only having stubs and licenses on them. The smaller the physical market becomes, the more teams will decide to do this."

Not surprising. Especially after Indiana Jones. 5 people will cry about it and then we will all move on.

Last few months of Game Pass first-party are literally insane
October - Black Ops 6
November - MSFS 2024
December - Indiana Jones
February - Avowed
April - Oblivion Remaster, South of Midnight
May - DOOM
July - Tony Hawk 3+4
August - Gears
late 2025 - COD 2025, The Outer Worlds 2, Ninja Gaiden 4, COD 2025

It's hilarious that Xbox went from "no first-party games" to "sheesh, slow down because I can't keep up" lol

If game won't be show at Xbox Games Showcase I call for riot...

Probably my most anticipated game outside of Fable.

@dskatter After Nintendo and Xbox raised prices of games, I have no doubt that GTA VI will cost same, maybe even more...

@Kaloudz I have a hunch that Fable was targeted for Q1 even before GTA delay. I personally expect it in march.

Obvious delay. Can't remember last Rockstar game that shipped without a delay.

But kudos to Rockstar to announce delay now. Because they were blueballing entire industry so devs and publishers didn't know when to place their game during late 2025.

@AirForceMetroid What? Yes. Tarrifs existed in past, but they were employed strategically to protect certain industries. But this was in time when you could effectively sourced whole product from your country.

Which isn't true anymore. For example, you can't just dig minerals that are required to make chips from anywhere lol. Same for materials for batteries on EVs. Doing tariff war in time when whole trade is interconnected and to make one car you are sourcing materials/components from whole world is dumbest idea on Earth.

Like what the ***** you think will happen? Do you really think Apple will start manufacturing iPhones in USA? Do you know how much that iPhone would cost considering cost of labor lol? How much do you think manufacturing of Xbox/PS consoles in US would cost? You can effectively double a price of current PS5 and Series X and you probably have a landing spot.

These price hikes are happening because companies want to protect themselves from idiot president who tends to wake up and make new ***** without thinking and without reason.

Now imagine how much next-gen consoles will cost...

Outside of plenty of "smoke" from insiders regarding exact week when Oblivion would be drop, it's really hard to harm nobody when you are releasing your game considering there are multiple game released every day

@Ricky-Spanish Game Pass is Xbox!

@NishimuraX You probably didn't "get" my post. But okay.

Hilarious to me is reaction like if it's first time this happened. Not fact that gamers have "less choice." I already made my choice. I don't care if physical continues to exist for next 50 years for others to buy.

Fact that even consoles are moving towards digital is not "me championing that" but reality. Even Nintendo in my region is starting pricing physical games to be more expensive (as they should have been from beginning) than digital in obvious attempt to move players towards digital. PS5 Pro releasing without BD drive is obvious attempt to test adoption rate of external BD drive before next-gen and Xbox and PS making handhelds will move even more players towards digital.

Also, you have ability to buy Xbox digital games outside of Xbox Store, just like Steam games. So "less choice" is interesting way to frame that lol.

All and all, market has decided. Microsoft don't see a worth of "printing" second disc just to fit whole game on physical edition. They probably know that people are mainly buying physical games because they want to resell them (which they can even if full game is not on disc) or they want to put that case on shelf so they can have good vibes from it. And amount of people who will not buy Indy on PS5 just because BD just hold 20GB is just miniscule.

And expecting Microsoft to treat PS5 users in some kind of privileged position is foolish. The moment I saw how much GB Indy takes and how Xbox physical version was released, I knew that this exact treatment would be there for PS version. And that's not me saying that I agree with Microsoft. I'm just stating the obvious.

It's hilarious reading these meltdowns while I personally haven't bought physical game since 2017 lol.

And while I don't fully understand it, it was expected. Microsoft for sure won't treat PS users as some kind of special breed. Indy has 125GB which would mean getting two discs in case. And Microsoft is clearly not willing to do that. So I expect DOOM TGA to be the same.

It's maybe a shock for PS users, since PS is more prevalent in terms of physical discs. Seeing cries about FH5 not getting physical version or this is funny. But not surprising. Xbox is already 90% digital. First party even more (because of Game Pass).

I call ***** on this one.
Okay, if there are some problems with licensing, deal with those problems. But I doubt there are any problems with releasing Modern Warfare 2 (new one) or even Vanguard or Black ops Cold War on Game Pass. They are modern games and I doubt there are any problems with licensing.

I just think they are not bringing them to Game Pass, because Black Ops 6 is their moneymaker and they are afraid that people will back to the games that can't be monetised that well.

It's pretty clear that Microsoft can't launch new Xbox as a closed ecosystem. It would too niche and devs would probably stop supporting it.
So making a PC with Xbox shell sounds pretty logical. But it's a case of "how will you implement." Because on paper it sounds good.

We would have access to many more games thanks to PC ecosystem including PlayStation games. It would basically solve "will devs support a platform" problem. But there are many questions that needs to be answered.

so we have a "insider" fight
One is claiming that Fable was delayed to create a space for Gears of War E-Day and other Xbox releases
Other is claiming that there is no GoW E-Day for 2025 but we will have Gears collection this year.

We shall see in June.

I'm more interested in vision of Xbox ecosystem moving forward. It's pretty clear that it doesn't make sense for Xbox to make closed ecosystem like they used to do, because with them moving to multiplatform releases, it would be death sentence for the hardware and support from third-party devs.

I don't have plans to leave Xbox ecosystem, so I would be obviously interested into new hardware. Series X will be 6 years old and it have served me well. So I would welcome more horsepower even for higher price.

@RetroMan71 Yeah, but that isn't first-party game