My Ultimate subscription won't be going up in price because I have it stacked until June 2027. However, when it comes to an end, I highly doubt I'll be sticking with Game Pass. I have only played one game on Game Pass this year, that game being Expedition 33, which I subsequently bought. I only use it for the online side of things to play Gears 5 Horde each weekend, and that is something that I could do through my gaming PC if I chose too, and without the need for Game Pass either.
The good thing about having my subscription stacked until June 2027 is that by then I should have a much firmer understanding of what Microsoft intend to do in relation to consoles, games and Game Pass.
Right now I think many of the moving parts are very uncertain; will there be another console? If so, what will it be? Will Game Pass be any different. Cost more still? Have another two or three new tiers? If the PCBox is a thing, will we all be able to transfer over to PC Game Pass? Will Xbox have any exclusives at all? Or will it just be timed exclusives? Or will literally everything just be day and date by then?
So many questions that I'd like answers to that I may know come June 2027. Until then I guess I have Game Pass covered though...
Absolutely agree with you, @OldGamer999. Many here will know that I am sceptic of Microsoft, but some here choose to believe that is because I do not like or support Xbox because that suits their narrative better than having a loyal Xbox fan feel very, very disillusioned with the way that Microsoft are treating their most loyal fans.
I feel that I have to keep reiterating that I have over 1600 digital games in my Xbox library, as opposed to around 20 games in my PlayStation library. I keep saying that Xbox is my main, and last month alone I bought around £600 worth of games on my Xbox account. However, me not liking Xbox is something I see said of me time and time again, granted it is inferred rather than open stated, but there is no doubt as to who is it aimed at.
Unfortunately I find that I have absolutely no faith in what Microsoft is saying will turn out to be true because they keep saying one things and then just a few short months later they go completely against what they had previously said. It's like catching your wife cheating on you for the third time, and then have trying to trust that she won't do it again. I think if people viewed it in those terms they too would have difficulty trusting what Microsoft say.
Anyway, on topic, yes, I will almost certainly buy the Elite 3... 😉
Exactly right, @OldGamer999. As much as I love my Xbox, Xbox themselves have never produced anything of the scale and production values of The Last of Us, Horizon Forbidden West, or Ghost of Tushima. Nothing even remotely close.
Also, I have delayed starting Ghost of Yotei in order to write this message to you. I'm literally about to start it... 😉
Thank you, @AkumaG. The only issue is though that this does not address the problem of the incorrect buttons showing up, with PlayStation using symbols, and Xbox letters. However, regardless of that, I will look into this device, which I take it is a dongle of some sort?
I don't believe that this was raised by some anon, @PKDuckman, or at least that is not how Push Square reported it.
This is what they said:
The poster SneakersSO on NeoGAF is known to have some knowledge of Microsoft’s plans, as he broke the story about the platform holder’s decision to go multiformat.
Early in 2024, prior to the company’s infamous business update, he was one of the very first to report plans of Hi-Fi Rush and other Xbox Game Studios titles coming to the PS5. We’ve obviously seen practically the entire publisher’s slate follow.
And in the aftermath of this latest rumour, The Verge’s Tom Warren has appeared on an Xbox podcast to point out the poster knows a “lot of what goes on internally”.
Just to be clear, Xbox is my main, I have over 1600 digital games in my library, and so the last thing I want them to do is leave the console business...
Totally agree, @OldGamer999. Even if the rumours are untrue, and Microsoft remain in the console business, many people seem to be oblivious to all the harm that all this uncertainty causes for Xbox. Many, many people will choose to go elsewhere next generation because they want certainty when they are shelling out several hundred pounds on a new console.
Even if the rumours are not true, damage to the brand is still being done, and Microsoft do not help themselves, or the situation, when they release half-arsed statements that do not directly address the rumours, and which can be interpreted in more than one way. And that's before you get into the whole 'plans change' scenario, wherein what they say today may well be true, but then the plans could change tomorrow and throw everything of kilter once more.
Would it work on the PS6? If it did, I'd definitely buy one. I love my Series 2 controller, and would happily buy the Series 3. I can use it with my gaming PC anyway, but it would be really cool if Microsoft actually made it work with PlayStation too. I bet it would sell really well if they did that, and gave us interchangeable buttons so that we could not only have Xbox buttons, but PlayStation ones too. Won't happen, but I'd love to see it...
Totally get what you are saying, @Gabrie, but I would guess that only around 5% of the games that I have in my Xbox library are Play Anywhere titles, which is obviously better than those PlayStation games that I own, but is still pretty closed really...
However, the one other thing to consider when it comes to these 'extra' points is that there is still a need to do things for a certain amount of time, especially if you want to get the slightly more obscure points. Sure, you can earn them, which is great, but you are going to be wasting several minutes a day doing them...
I am still buying on the Xbox, @Questionable_Duck, I bought a huge number of games there last week. Over £600 worth. It's just that I have this nagging feeling that I should switch to having my PlayStation as my main because of the uncertainty over the Xbox consoles future. The trouble is, I'm not keen on the PlayStation controller, and I have a Elite 2 controller that I really like, plus it's nice having most of my games in one place. Right now I have over 1600 digital games in my Xbox library, and about a couple of dozen in my PlayStation library.
So at the same time as I feel it is a mistake not to start building my PlayStation library, instead of adding to my Xbox one, I just find that I'm not quite ready to do that just yet...
I've held off buying Silent Hill 2 on the PlayStation as I would rather buy it on the Xbox. However, with all the troubles, and uncertainty, that Xbox is experiencing, I'm wondering if I am better of buying it in a sale on the PlayStation instead. I'm really not sure what to do at this point...
I totally get what you are saying, @JetmanUK, but I'm finding it really hard to pull the trigger on no longer buying games on the Xbox. I think a big part of that is I don't particularly like the PlayStation controller, and I have a Elite 2 Xbox controller that I really like.
The other issue I have is that I have Ultimate until June 2027, so I think I'll stick with buying on the Xbox until that expires, but after that, I'll probably switch to the PlayStation as my main...
It is a real shame to see Xbox in their current state, @JetmanUK . Of that there can be no question.
I have a decent gaming PC, but really don't enjoy all the faff and complexities that come with gaming on that platform. I far rather the simplicity of a console. I always buy a PlayStation at launch too, but only use it for the big exclusives, however, I think next generation I will be getting the PS6 and using that as my main console instead. I think by the time the PS6 comes out, we will know pretty much categorically what the situation with Xbox will be. I'd like to think they'll be going strong, but unfortunately I don't see it being like that...
"We are actively investing in our future first-party consoles and devices designed, engineered and built by Xbox. For more details, the community can revisit our agreement announcement with AMD."
If Microsoft continue to produce the Series consoles for the next few months, then the first part of their statement can be true. And if the Xbox Rog Ally is considered to be a first-party console, then the second part of that the statement can also be true, because I believe that that device has within it an AMD chipset within it, meaning that the second part of the statement can also be meaningless in terms of the plans for the PCBox.
And therein lies the problem that Microsoft always seem to have whenever they release a statement; their statements are always vague, or fail to address the issues directly. Here, they could have simply said, we are still going to be making the PCBox, and we will have more to tell you about it in the near future. Our plans are firm, and definitely not up in the air. But nope! They leave themselves enough wriggle room to say they were not lying when they made their previous statement.
Basically Microsoft have completely eroded trust in them by continually going back on their statements, from saying a game wasn't being cancelled and then cancelling it, or saying they weren't porting a game to the PlayStation, and then saying it was just 4 games, and then saying that everything was on the table.
As always, we can just circle back to Phil Spencer's comment when he said plans change. So just because the plan, this week, is that there will be a PCBox, what's to say that won't change come next week, and how are we supposed to continue buying our games on the Xbox in the face of such uncertainty...?
Have to say I'm impressed with the size of your library, @JetmanUK. I have over 1600 digital games in my library, and don't tend to buy small indies. I also have around 200 360 games on disc too, so I totally agree with you as to why we are upset to see our hard earned money, which we chose to invest in Xbox, be potentially in jeopardy...
I've said a number of times that people would join Game Pass for a month in order to play CoD and then quit soon after. That short-term boost is not as good for business as someone actually buying the game. If they join and remain for a whole year, then yes, that's good for Game Pass. However, if they join for a month and leave, then that's hurts the overall money brought in by CoD.
It's no wonder we've seen these massive prices rises, and let's not forget, the price of Game Pass went up last year right before the release of CoD on Game Pass, so this strategy is clearly not working as intended, and we are all paying for it...
I know what I'd like to see leave, all the recently added Ubisoft games, and Fortnite Crew. That would be a wonderful place to start. Then perhaps we would be paying a bit less for Ultimate...
I own every single one of the Assassin's Creed games. Every one of them, including the side-scrolling ones. I also own every single Far Cry game, including Blood Dragon. Plus I already own most of the other games, the only games I do not buy are sports titles, but there's a reason for that; I'm not interested in them!
So as I said before, if part of the cost of the increase in Ultimate is to cover the inclusion of these games, then they are utterly wasted on me, as is the Fortnite Crew (or whatever it's called). Absolutely not interested. I'd rather they weren't included, and I was paying less as a consequence...
Nothing for me this week, which is fine as I have a growing backlog.
Have to say though, this weeks Game Pass titles look pretty meagre. Now that Microsoft have drastically increased the price of a Game Pass Subscription, hopefully they can put some better titles than this on it in the future...
I shall be finishing off Deadzone Rogue this weekend before then commencing play on Ghost of Yotei next week. Really loving Deadzone, and cannot wait to jump into Ghost. It'll be epic...!
Well let us hope that they do a better job with Halo than they did with Oblivion!
I suspect we are more likely to see a bare bones performance boost for the game in order to make it more palatable to the PlayStation gamer. Much like Gears of War: Reloaded, which could have been delivered to us on the Xbox as a patch, but because it was being sold to the PlayStation it needed to be its own game. I imagine we'll be getting a free upgrade copy too just as we did with GoW: Reloaded. Honestly, with the mess that Oblivion arrived in, I don't have much faith in this disaster... I mean remaster...
How on Earth is Gears of War: Reloaded up for a Best Remaster award? It was so badly done. Giving it a performance boost that could have been delivered with a patch had it not also released on the PlayStation, does not mean it was a good remaster. The AI that controlled Dom was completely broken, a complete mess. It's a fun game, sure, and I enjoyed going through it twice to get all the single-player achievements, but if it wins Best Remaster, then we know where all the money from the Game Pass subscription increase has gone; it's lining the pockets of the judges of this sham...
Well, I won't be seeing these adds anyway as I never game on Cloud, but thanks anyway, I guess. I wonder whether the adds will bring in sufficient revenue to pay for the service, or whether it will be subsidised from the rest of Game Pass revenue...
"We understand price increases are never fun for anybody", he said, @Scotwilly, whilst sitting in his jacuzzi, sipping champagne, and watching the sun go down from his ocean front mansion in the most expensive real estate part of the world...
I agree, @Jenkinss. Honestly, I think Ultimate is now purely for the real enthusiasts, those that play many games on the service, of which I am not one. I actually cancelled my subscription last year when they put the prices up, although I am stacked until June 2027. I personally barely use the service. Indeed, I have only played one game on it so far this year, namely Expedition 33. If I didn't have it stacked, I wouldn't be on it at all. When my subscription ends, that will be that as far as Game Pass goes...
Try listing the actual filler trash, @awp69. What you have done is included all the good games. Why? Because they are not all AAA? A game does not have to be AAA to be good. It does not have to be massive to be good. Indie games can be good too, and no one is suggesting otherwise, and no one is suggesting that the games you listed are filler. However, there have been many, many small filler games included on Game Pass, and you know it. Find the lowest rated ones, and then your point will be valid. But seriously, the moment you included the highest rated game of the year (Silksong) in your comment, you lost your point...
First off, @AverageJoseph, I was explaining everything I had bought in the past month, and that happened to include Terminator Resistance. What you are suggesting is that I should not include it because I should not include everything that I bought?
Secondly, Terminator Resistance is a very good game. It's AA, sure, but still very good. Also we've just had RoboCop included on Game Pass and people were happy to see it, so why not Terminator Resistance too.
Lastly, you say bad examples, and then pick one game out of many. Go figure...
I entirely agree, @Questionable_Duck, which is why I was saying that I would much rather two bangers a month, as opposed to a handful of decent titles a year from a selection of 6 day one games a month.
If you are sat there watching all these great games releasing, but not on the service, and you are forced to buy them because they won't be available on Game Pass, then really what's the point? Why play games that don't really interest you just because they are on Game Pass? Why not simply buy the games that interest you rather then pay for a service that doesn't really give you what you want?
I buy around two games a month. So far this year I have bought 24 games, most of which are big AAA titles. In September alone I bought Borderlands 4, Deadzone Rogue, Cronos New Dawn, Hell Is Us, Dying Light: The Beast, Outer Worlds 2, and Terminator Resistance. Plus today, my Collector's Edition of Ghost of Yotei turned up. That's knocking on £600 in a single month! Frightening! Anyway, the reason I mention those games is because that is the kind of quality we want to see arriving on a regular basis on Game Pass, but we all know that we won't see anything of the kind (well, except for Outer Worlds 2, but you get my point).
Basically we know we will be fed far more filler and fodder, than we will truly worthwhile experiences. Some will look at it as they are still games that can be played, but personally, I'd rather spend my money on precisely the games that I want to play, rather than effectively playing the lottery with Game Pass and maybe hitting the jackpot a couple of times a year, which is likely what will occur with these 75 games...
So in other words, Microsoft are in a spot of bother right now as these price increases have gone down like a huge lead zeppelin, so they've sent some bloke we've never heard of to try and calm us all down by making promises that are only likely to be kept if the majority of these day one games are the type of filler no one ever plays. At the end of 12 months Microsoft can say they kept their word, and provided an additional 75 games, of which maybe a small handful are worth our time.
Basically, I'll believe it when I see it. It's quality that counts, not quantity. If they were to provide one new game each week, so 52 games in a year, and those 52 games were pretty decent, then fair enough, but we all know that's not what's going to happen. We'll just be getting some chaff that makes up the numbers. Game Pass is already bloated with games few people play, and this will just add more to that number.
I'd far rather a couple of really good games a month, than what we likely end up getting. I'd much prefer they put all that money they will be spending on 75 filler games, towards 25 decent games instead. 25 good games equates to 2 a month, and I think we'd all much prefer that...
In a classic bit of 'Oh, look, a dead cat' moment, Microsoft are probably scrabbling about looking for a big hitter of a AAA game they can throw into Game Pass in the next couple of months in the hope that we all look at said dead cat and say, 'Oh, in that case this huge price hike it worth every penny!'
I believe that Microsoft have raised the price so significantly in an attempt to make the service profitable, @Ricky-Spanish, and that they know that a certain percentage are likely to leave altogether, meaning they could not just say if we raise it by 25%, and everyone stays, then the service will be profitable, so that's all they we need to do.
Instead, Microsoft probably calculated that there would be (say) 10% of people who would leave, and that the remaining 90% would then to cover that missing 10% of subscribers subscription fees, thus they actually needed to raise the price by 50%.
The real question is, have Microsoft miscalculated the hardship people are feeling in their every day life, miscalculated how this rise would be received, and miscalculated just how many people will leave the service, and forgotten that gaming is just a hobby, and not an everyday essential, because if it is just that 10%, then fine, they will turn a profit, but if it is 15% of people that quit, then the service remains in trouble.
*Just to be clear, I'm not saying 10% or 15% are the actual figures, I am just using them for example purposes...
If Game Pass was profitable, @electrolite77, Microsoft could have increased the price by a couple of pounds / dollars and pretty much everyone of us would have stayed with the service, and Microsoft would have continued to make profit, and kept that line ticking upwards.
What Microsoft have done here is drive a substantial number of people away from the service meaning that they will struggle to make that profit. For the service to be sustainable, Microsoft need people to subscribe and stay subscribed. This hike has done the opposite.
What this 50%+ price increase says is that Microsoft needed to increase the price substantially in order to make a profit. Whether they honestly believed that everyone would suck it up and stick with the service, or whether they calculated a certain percentage of people would leave, but that the number of people that remained would be enough to ensure that profit, is the question.
Personally, I think Microsoft have not read the planet; they have not taken into account how people are struggling worldwide with daily costs, and they have forgotten that gaming is a hobby, not an essential. I honestly very much doubt that Microsoft expected an exodus the size of which they will likely see, and as a consequence, I highly doubt that Game Pass will be turning a profit any time in the near future.
In all honesty, I think that Microsoft are deliberately sabotaging the service because to make it sustainable, they need the current subscriber numbers to be paying the new rates, and that just is not going to happen because people will be leaving in their droves, or at the very least moving to a lower tier. I think Microsoft know this, and can only see one way out, and that is to do away with day one games on the service, and thus by driving people away from Ultimate, they can then get rid of it. I know that sounds very conspiratorial, but if it is not that, then Microsoft are either being plain greedy, or plain negligent...
I'm sure if you look back at my history of comments on this topic, you will see that I have said a fair few times that there will need to be a huge increase in price in order for Game Pass to be sustainable, @Ricky-Spanish. I'm absolutely certain I have, however, I never said how much that would be.
Also, you are missing the point of what I said above, I said that Game Pass is not making a profit. That is what I am saying I am right about. Whether or not Game Pass is sustainable.
The reason I said that is because either Microsoft were telling us the truth, and Game Pass is profitable, in which case Microsoft are being exceptionally callous and greedy at a time when people's finances are restricted. Or, Microsoft were telling us lies, and the service was not profitable, and this 50%+ hike is an attempt to rectify that.
My money is on Microsoft having lied to us, or at the very least been disingenuous with the statement that Game Pass was profitable. Maybe there was some obscure part of the world where is was, or more likely a particular element of it was profitable, however, I don't believe that Game Pass is profitable, or sustainable in its current guise, and this is what I said I had said on a number of occasions...
Truthfully, I hate that I was right too, @Cakefish. Sometimes being right about something when everyone else disagrees with you is not all that much fun...
Thank you, @FraserG. I appreciate that you are very busy right now, so am grateful for you assistance. You were right, I don't have an option to change my stacked subscription. Oh, well, I'll just have to wait until June 2027 for it to lapse...
Whilst I think that the above poll has value, @Kezelpaso & @FraserG, and it does tell it's own story, might I respectfully suggest a poll that asks the following?:
1. Will you be remaining on your current tier? 2. Will you be moving to a lower tier? 3. Will you be quitting Game Pass altogether? 4. I don't have Game Pass, and I don't intend to join now.
I think that may give a better overview the strength of feeling and how we, as gamers, are likely to react to these price increases...
I've said it time and time again, but I honestly do not believe that Game Pass is profitable. Microsoft were either speaking with a forked-tongue when they said it was, or flat out being disingenuous (lying to you and me).
Microsoft cannot have it both ways, either the service was profitable, and they are now being callous and greedy with this price hike of 50%+, or they were speaking untruths when they said Game Pass was profitable.
My honest view is that the service was / is not making a profit, and that this huge price increase will see a massive decline in the number of people that subscribe, which will in turn mean the service will struggle to make a profit. Whether sufficient people remain subscribed, and paying this massive hike to offset the loses that stems from people quitting the service is another question. Personally, I doubt it will, and I can see the service having huge problems over the next 12-24 months.
I've said a number of times that I think Game Pass will not exist in its current form 3 years following the release of the PCBox. I've long thought that the service will become a first-party only service that will then be allowed to go on the PlayStation. Indeed, I also think that the who Play Anywhere notion that Microsoft are pushing is partly with the end of Game Pass in mind.
Honestly, I think the only thing that Microsoft can do now to stem the exodus of gamers from Game Pass, is to put an end to day one first party titles on the service. They need those sales, and to some extent, pricing people out of Ultimate, may help with that aspect, but it will come at the expense of Game Pass subscriber numbers, which will massively impact how much money the service has coming in.
I think Microsoft have made a gamble too far with this more. Either that, or it is intentionally sabotaging Ultimate so that they can do away with the day one first-party games...
As someone that never uses cloud gaming, and never will, all I can say is thank you Microsoft for increasing my subscription by more than 50%, whilst offering me nothing that I want in return. You're the best...
My guess is that Game Pass is, and was not, profitable, @GamerScore200K. Basically, I think Microsoft were able to say that it was by some clever double speak wherein profit was made somewhere, allowing them to say it was profitable, but the overall service is not profitable.
How anyone can possibly believe the service to be profitable, but then also needs to have a price hike of 50% or more beggars belief. Unless every big AAA third-party release from here on out is coming on to the service day one, I cannot see how they can possibly justify this.
Basically, either the service is profitable, in which case Microsoft are being callous and exceptionally greedy, or the service is not profitable, and for it to be so, they need to increase the price by 50% or more. It is one of the two, and I'm inclined to think that this is an attempt to make the service profitable (although greed may play a part too)...
Serious question, @FraserG, but if, like myself, you have another 20 months or so of Ultimate stacked, can you downgrade that to Premium or Essential. I'm not sure whether Essential comes with online, but that is all I need Game Pass for. It would be good if you can swap tiers like that because it would allow me to stay subscribed for much longer...
Does anyone know if Microsoft will allow us to downgrade our subscription? I have Ultimate, but I'd happily swap my remaining months to Essential instead, which would presumably equate to being subscribed to the service for much longer. I highly doubt you can, but I do know if that is the definitive answer...
1. If Game Pass was profitable as Microsoft insisted just a month or two back, why the need to raise the price of the subscription by 50% (or more!)? My guess, Microsoft were not telling the whole truth with that particular statement.
2. Just how many people are going to quit the Service as a consequence of this huge increase in price? And will this price increase be enough to cover those who cancel their subscriptions? I highly doubt the second part of that question.
3. What will Microsoft do when they release the PCBox? Will they allow anyone that owns one to subscribe to PC Game Pass instead? Something tells me that somehow Microsoft will say that the PCBox does not qualify for PC Game Pass, which will go down like a lead balloon, and probably be substantively untrue as well.
4. I cannot recall a time when I have seen so many different people commenting on a single article. I have read every single comment, and am amazed that not even the usual suspects are trying to sell this as a win for Xbox. It is very refreshing, truth be told. It also demonstrates the depth of feeling over what is happening, which does not bode well for Game Pass subscriber numbers...
As someone who has never, and never will, play Fortnite, I'd like to personally thank Microsoft for raising the price of my subscription by more than half, whilst offering me nothing in return. Thanks Microsoft, you're great...
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Re: Strange Xbox Email Suggests Game Pass Price Increase Doesn't Apply To Certain Members
Ain't that the truth, @Questionable_Duck! And I've never yet played a GTA game either... 🤣
Re: Strange Xbox Email Suggests Game Pass Price Increase Doesn't Apply To Certain Members
My Ultimate subscription won't be going up in price because I have it stacked until June 2027. However, when it comes to an end, I highly doubt I'll be sticking with Game Pass. I have only played one game on Game Pass this year, that game being Expedition 33, which I subsequently bought. I only use it for the online side of things to play Gears 5 Horde each weekend, and that is something that I could do through my gaming PC if I chose too, and without the need for Game Pass either.
The good thing about having my subscription stacked until June 2027 is that by then I should have a much firmer understanding of what Microsoft intend to do in relation to consoles, games and Game Pass.
Right now I think many of the moving parts are very uncertain; will there be another console? If so, what will it be? Will Game Pass be any different. Cost more still? Have another two or three new tiers? If the PCBox is a thing, will we all be able to transfer over to PC Game Pass? Will Xbox have any exclusives at all? Or will it just be timed exclusives? Or will literally everything just be day and date by then?
So many questions that I'd like answers to that I may know come June 2027. Until then I guess I have Game Pass covered though...
Re: Strange Xbox Email Suggests Game Pass Price Increase Doesn't Apply To Certain Members
"Microsoft's lack of transparency...", @FraserG? Have they ever been transparent...? 😂
Re: Talking Point: Would You Still Buy An Elite Series 3 Controller For Xbox Series X|S?
Absolutely agree with you, @OldGamer999. Many here will know that I am sceptic of Microsoft, but some here choose to believe that is because I do not like or support Xbox because that suits their narrative better than having a loyal Xbox fan feel very, very disillusioned with the way that Microsoft are treating their most loyal fans.
I feel that I have to keep reiterating that I have over 1600 digital games in my Xbox library, as opposed to around 20 games in my PlayStation library. I keep saying that Xbox is my main, and last month alone I bought around £600 worth of games on my Xbox account. However, me not liking Xbox is something I see said of me time and time again, granted it is inferred rather than open stated, but there is no doubt as to who is it aimed at.
Unfortunately I find that I have absolutely no faith in what Microsoft is saying will turn out to be true because they keep saying one things and then just a few short months later they go completely against what they had previously said. It's like catching your wife cheating on you for the third time, and then have trying to trust that she won't do it again. I think if people viewed it in those terms they too would have difficulty trusting what Microsoft say.
Anyway, on topic, yes, I will almost certainly buy the Elite 3... 😉
Re: Talking Point: Would You Still Buy An Elite Series 3 Controller For Xbox Series X|S?
Thank you, @AkumaG... 👍
Re: Talking Point: Would You Still Buy An Elite Series 3 Controller For Xbox Series X|S?
Exactly right, @OldGamer999. As much as I love my Xbox, Xbox themselves have never produced anything of the scale and production values of The Last of Us, Horizon Forbidden West, or Ghost of Tushima. Nothing even remotely close.
Also, I have delayed starting Ghost of Yotei in order to write this message to you. I'm literally about to start it... 😉
Re: Talking Point: Would You Still Buy An Elite Series 3 Controller For Xbox Series X|S?
Thank you, @AkumaG. The only issue is though that this does not address the problem of the incorrect buttons showing up, with PlayStation using symbols, and Xbox letters. However, regardless of that, I will look into this device, which I take it is a dongle of some sort?
Re: It Looks Like The Silent Hill 2 Remake Is About To Go Fully Multiplatform
I don't believe that this was raised by some anon, @PKDuckman, or at least that is not how Push Square reported it.
This is what they said:
The poster SneakersSO on NeoGAF is known to have some knowledge of Microsoft’s plans, as he broke the story about the platform holder’s decision to go multiformat.
Early in 2024, prior to the company’s infamous business update, he was one of the very first to report plans of Hi-Fi Rush and other Xbox Game Studios titles coming to the PS5. We’ve obviously seen practically the entire publisher’s slate follow.
And in the aftermath of this latest rumour, The Verge’s Tom Warren has appeared on an Xbox podcast to point out the poster knows a “lot of what goes on internally”.
This is the whole article:
https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2025/10/ps6-may-go-uncontested-as-rumours-of-next-gen-xbox-cancellation-force-microsoft-to-comment
Just to be clear, Xbox is my main, I have over 1600 digital games in my library, and so the last thing I want them to do is leave the console business...
Re: Talking Point: Would You Still Buy An Elite Series 3 Controller For Xbox Series X|S?
You can, @AkumaG? I've never heard of such a thing...
Re: Talking Point: Would You Still Buy An Elite Series 3 Controller For Xbox Series X|S?
Totally agree, @OldGamer999. Even if the rumours are untrue, and Microsoft remain in the console business, many people seem to be oblivious to all the harm that all this uncertainty causes for Xbox. Many, many people will choose to go elsewhere next generation because they want certainty when they are shelling out several hundred pounds on a new console.
Even if the rumours are not true, damage to the brand is still being done, and Microsoft do not help themselves, or the situation, when they release half-arsed statements that do not directly address the rumours, and which can be interpreted in more than one way. And that's before you get into the whole 'plans change' scenario, wherein what they say today may well be true, but then the plans could change tomorrow and throw everything of kilter once more.
As an Xbox fan, it's exceptionally frustrating...
Re: Talking Point: Would You Still Buy An Elite Series 3 Controller For Xbox Series X|S?
Would it work on the PS6? If it did, I'd definitely buy one. I love my Series 2 controller, and would happily buy the Series 3. I can use it with my gaming PC anyway, but it would be really cool if Microsoft actually made it work with PlayStation too. I bet it would sell really well if they did that, and gave us interchangeable buttons so that we could not only have Xbox buttons, but PlayStation ones too. Won't happen, but I'd love to see it...
Re: It Looks Like The Silent Hill 2 Remake Is About To Go Fully Multiplatform
Totally get what you are saying, @Gabrie, but I would guess that only around 5% of the games that I have in my Xbox library are Play Anywhere titles, which is obviously better than those PlayStation games that I own, but is still pretty closed really...
Re: Xbox Rewards Adds More Weekly Point Buffs For Game Pass Ultimate Members
However, the one other thing to consider when it comes to these 'extra' points is that there is still a need to do things for a certain amount of time, especially if you want to get the slightly more obscure points. Sure, you can earn them, which is great, but you are going to be wasting several minutes a day doing them...
Re: It Looks Like The Silent Hill 2 Remake Is About To Go Fully Multiplatform
I am still buying on the Xbox, @Questionable_Duck, I bought a huge number of games there last week. Over £600 worth. It's just that I have this nagging feeling that I should switch to having my PlayStation as my main because of the uncertainty over the Xbox consoles future. The trouble is, I'm not keen on the PlayStation controller, and I have a Elite 2 controller that I really like, plus it's nice having most of my games in one place. Right now I have over 1600 digital games in my Xbox library, and about a couple of dozen in my PlayStation library.
So at the same time as I feel it is a mistake not to start building my PlayStation library, instead of adding to my Xbox one, I just find that I'm not quite ready to do that just yet...
Re: It Looks Like The Silent Hill 2 Remake Is About To Go Fully Multiplatform
I've held off buying Silent Hill 2 on the PlayStation as I would rather buy it on the Xbox. However, with all the troubles, and uncertainty, that Xbox is experiencing, I'm wondering if I am better of buying it in a sale on the PlayStation instead. I'm really not sure what to do at this point...
Re: Xbox Issues Statement Denying Rumour That Next-Gen Console Could Be Cancelled
Replying to your comment at 48
I totally get what you are saying, @JetmanUK, but I'm finding it really hard to pull the trigger on no longer buying games on the Xbox. I think a big part of that is I don't particularly like the PlayStation controller, and I have a Elite 2 Xbox controller that I really like.
The other issue I have is that I have Ultimate until June 2027, so I think I'll stick with buying on the Xbox until that expires, but after that, I'll probably switch to the PlayStation as my main...
Re: Xbox Issues Statement Denying Rumour That Next-Gen Console Could Be Cancelled
It is a real shame to see Xbox in their current state, @JetmanUK . Of that there can be no question.
I have a decent gaming PC, but really don't enjoy all the faff and complexities that come with gaming on that platform. I far rather the simplicity of a console. I always buy a PlayStation at launch too, but only use it for the big exclusives, however, I think next generation I will be getting the PS6 and using that as my main console instead. I think by the time the PS6 comes out, we will know pretty much categorically what the situation with Xbox will be. I'd like to think they'll be going strong, but unfortunately I don't see it being like that...
Re: Xbox Issues Statement Denying Rumour That Next-Gen Console Could Be Cancelled
"We are actively investing in our future first-party consoles and devices designed, engineered and built by Xbox. For more details, the community can revisit our agreement announcement with AMD."
If Microsoft continue to produce the Series consoles for the next few months, then the first part of their statement can be true. And if the Xbox Rog Ally is considered to be a first-party console, then the second part of that the statement can also be true, because I believe that that device has within it an AMD chipset within it, meaning that the second part of the statement can also be meaningless in terms of the plans for the PCBox.
And therein lies the problem that Microsoft always seem to have whenever they release a statement; their statements are always vague, or fail to address the issues directly. Here, they could have simply said, we are still going to be making the PCBox, and we will have more to tell you about it in the near future. Our plans are firm, and definitely not up in the air. But nope! They leave themselves enough wriggle room to say they were not lying when they made their previous statement.
Basically Microsoft have completely eroded trust in them by continually going back on their statements, from saying a game wasn't being cancelled and then cancelling it, or saying they weren't porting a game to the PlayStation, and then saying it was just 4 games, and then saying that everything was on the table.
As always, we can just circle back to Phil Spencer's comment when he said plans change. So just because the plan, this week, is that there will be a PCBox, what's to say that won't change come next week, and how are we supposed to continue buying our games on the Xbox in the face of such uncertainty...?
Re: Xbox Issues Statement Denying Rumour That Next-Gen Console Could Be Cancelled
Have to say I'm impressed with the size of your library, @JetmanUK. I have over 1600 digital games in my library, and don't tend to buy small indies. I also have around 200 360 games on disc too, so I totally agree with you as to why we are upset to see our hard earned money, which we chose to invest in Xbox, be potentially in jeopardy...
Re: New COD Sales 'Estimate' Helps Explain Xbox's Price Hike For Day One Game Pass Releases
I've said a number of times that people would join Game Pass for a month in order to play CoD and then quit soon after. That short-term boost is not as good for business as someone actually buying the game. If they join and remain for a whole year, then yes, that's good for Game Pass. However, if they join for a month and leave, then that's hurts the overall money brought in by CoD.
It's no wonder we've seen these massive prices rises, and let's not forget, the price of Game Pass went up last year right before the release of CoD on Game Pass, so this strategy is clearly not working as intended, and we are all paying for it...
Re: Here's What Might Leave Xbox Game Pass In November 2025
I know what I'd like to see leave, all the recently added Ubisoft games, and Fortnite Crew. That would be a wonderful place to start. Then perhaps we would be paying a bit less for Ultimate...
Re: Talking Point: How Do You Feel About Ubisoft+ Classics Being Added To Game Pass Ultimate?
Not interested in the slightest.
I own every single one of the Assassin's Creed games. Every one of them, including the side-scrolling ones. I also own every single Far Cry game, including Blood Dragon. Plus I already own most of the other games, the only games I do not buy are sports titles, but there's a reason for that; I'm not interested in them!
So as I said before, if part of the cost of the increase in Ultimate is to cover the inclusion of these games, then they are utterly wasted on me, as is the Fortnite Crew (or whatever it's called). Absolutely not interested. I'd rather they weren't included, and I was paying less as a consequence...
Re: These 30+ Games Are Coming To Xbox Next Week (October 6-10)
Nothing for me this week, which is fine as I have a growing backlog.
Have to say though, this weeks Game Pass titles look pretty meagre. Now that Microsoft have drastically increased the price of a Game Pass Subscription, hopefully they can put some better titles than this on it in the future...
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (October 4-5)
I shall be finishing off Deadzone Rogue this weekend before then commencing play on Ghost of Yotei next week. Really loving Deadzone, and cannot wait to jump into Ghost. It'll be epic...!
Re: Halo Reporter Thinks They've Discovered Who's Developing The Combat Evolved 'Remake'
Well let us hope that they do a better job with Halo than they did with Oblivion!
I suspect we are more likely to see a bare bones performance boost for the game in order to make it more palatable to the PlayStation gamer. Much like Gears of War: Reloaded, which could have been delivered to us on the Xbox as a patch, but because it was being sold to the PlayStation it needed to be its own game. I imagine we'll be getting a free upgrade copy too just as we did with GoW: Reloaded. Honestly, with the mess that Oblivion arrived in, I don't have much faith in this disaster... I mean remaster...
Re: Xbox Game Studios Titles Up For Several Awards At Golden Joysticks 2025
How on Earth is Gears of War: Reloaded up for a Best Remaster award? It was so badly done. Giving it a performance boost that could have been delivered with a patch had it not also released on the PlayStation, does not mean it was a good remaster. The AI that controlled Dom was completely broken, a complete mess. It's a fun game, sure, and I enjoyed going through it twice to get all the single-player achievements, but if it wins Best Remaster, then we know where all the money from the Game Pass subscription increase has gone; it's lining the pockets of the judges of this sham...
Re: Talking Point: So, Have You Tried Out Hogwarts Legacy On Xbox Game Pass Yet?
I played, and enjoyed, the game upon release. I won't be playing it again any time soon, and for me it was a pretty pointless addition to Game Pass...
Re: Microsoft Set To Announce 'Free' Xbox Cloud Gaming Tier With Ads
Well, I won't be seeing these adds anyway as I never game on Cloud, but thanks anyway, I guess. I wonder whether the adds will bring in sufficient revenue to pay for the service, or whether it will be subsidised from the rest of Game Pass revenue...
Re: 'Price Increases Are Never Fun For Anybody' Says Xbox Exec Defending Game Pass Changes
"We understand price increases are never fun for anybody", he said, @Scotwilly, whilst sitting in his jacuzzi, sipping champagne, and watching the sun go down from his ocean front mansion in the most expensive real estate part of the world...
Re: 'Price Increases Are Never Fun For Anybody' Says Xbox Exec Defending Game Pass Changes
I agree, @Jenkinss. Honestly, I think Ultimate is now purely for the real enthusiasts, those that play many games on the service, of which I am not one. I actually cancelled my subscription last year when they put the prices up, although I am stacked until June 2027. I personally barely use the service. Indeed, I have only played one game on it so far this year, namely Expedition 33. If I didn't have it stacked, I wouldn't be on it at all. When my subscription ends, that will be that as far as Game Pass goes...
Re: Xbox Game Pass Ultimate Will Now Get 75+ Day One Titles Per Year, A '50% Increase' On Before
Try listing the actual filler trash, @awp69. What you have done is included all the good games. Why? Because they are not all AAA? A game does not have to be AAA to be good. It does not have to be massive to be good. Indie games can be good too, and no one is suggesting otherwise, and no one is suggesting that the games you listed are filler. However, there have been many, many small filler games included on Game Pass, and you know it. Find the lowest rated ones, and then your point will be valid. But seriously, the moment you included the highest rated game of the year (Silksong) in your comment, you lost your point...
Re: Xbox Game Pass Ultimate Will Now Get 75+ Day One Titles Per Year, A '50% Increase' On Before
First off, @AverageJoseph, I was explaining everything I had bought in the past month, and that happened to include Terminator Resistance. What you are suggesting is that I should not include it because I should not include everything that I bought?
Secondly, Terminator Resistance is a very good game. It's AA, sure, but still very good. Also we've just had RoboCop included on Game Pass and people were happy to see it, so why not Terminator Resistance too.
Lastly, you say bad examples, and then pick one game out of many. Go figure...
Re: Xbox Game Pass Ultimate Will Now Get 75+ Day One Titles Per Year, A '50% Increase' On Before
I entirely agree, @Questionable_Duck, which is why I was saying that I would much rather two bangers a month, as opposed to a handful of decent titles a year from a selection of 6 day one games a month.
If you are sat there watching all these great games releasing, but not on the service, and you are forced to buy them because they won't be available on Game Pass, then really what's the point? Why play games that don't really interest you just because they are on Game Pass? Why not simply buy the games that interest you rather then pay for a service that doesn't really give you what you want?
I buy around two games a month. So far this year I have bought 24 games, most of which are big AAA titles. In September alone I bought Borderlands 4, Deadzone Rogue, Cronos New Dawn, Hell Is Us, Dying Light: The Beast, Outer Worlds 2, and Terminator Resistance. Plus today, my Collector's Edition of Ghost of Yotei turned up. That's knocking on £600 in a single month! Frightening! Anyway, the reason I mention those games is because that is the kind of quality we want to see arriving on a regular basis on Game Pass, but we all know that we won't see anything of the kind (well, except for Outer Worlds 2, but you get my point).
Basically we know we will be fed far more filler and fodder, than we will truly worthwhile experiences. Some will look at it as they are still games that can be played, but personally, I'd rather spend my money on precisely the games that I want to play, rather than effectively playing the lottery with Game Pass and maybe hitting the jackpot a couple of times a year, which is likely what will occur with these 75 games...
Re: Xbox Game Pass Ultimate Will Now Get 75+ Day One Titles Per Year, A '50% Increase' On Before
So in other words, Microsoft are in a spot of bother right now as these price increases have gone down like a huge lead zeppelin, so they've sent some bloke we've never heard of to try and calm us all down by making promises that are only likely to be kept if the majority of these day one games are the type of filler no one ever plays. At the end of 12 months Microsoft can say they kept their word, and provided an additional 75 games, of which maybe a small handful are worth our time.
Basically, I'll believe it when I see it. It's quality that counts, not quantity. If they were to provide one new game each week, so 52 games in a year, and those 52 games were pretty decent, then fair enough, but we all know that's not what's going to happen. We'll just be getting some chaff that makes up the numbers. Game Pass is already bloated with games few people play, and this will just add more to that number.
I'd far rather a couple of really good games a month, than what we likely end up getting. I'd much prefer they put all that money they will be spending on 75 filler games, towards 25 decent games instead. 25 good games equates to 2 a month, and I think we'd all much prefer that...
Re: Xbox Game Pass Is Getting A Major Overhaul With New Names, Games & Price Changes
So it has gone up more than 50% in your region then, @Ricky-Spanish!
To be precise it has gone up 62.5% if it is 25.99. If it is now 26.99 then it has gone up 68.8%.
That is a pretty hefty increase if you ask me...
Re: 'Price Increases Are Never Fun For Anybody' Says Xbox Exec Defending Game Pass Changes
In a classic bit of 'Oh, look, a dead cat' moment, Microsoft are probably scrabbling about looking for a big hitter of a AAA game they can throw into Game Pass in the next couple of months in the hope that we all look at said dead cat and say, 'Oh, in that case this huge price hike it worth every penny!'
Listening! Yeah, right. Pull the other one...
Re: Xbox Game Pass Is Getting A Major Overhaul With New Names, Games & Price Changes
I believe that Microsoft have raised the price so significantly in an attempt to make the service profitable, @Ricky-Spanish, and that they know that a certain percentage are likely to leave altogether, meaning they could not just say if we raise it by 25%, and everyone stays, then the service will be profitable, so that's all they we need to do.
Instead, Microsoft probably calculated that there would be (say) 10% of people who would leave, and that the remaining 90% would then to cover that missing 10% of subscribers subscription fees, thus they actually needed to raise the price by 50%.
The real question is, have Microsoft miscalculated the hardship people are feeling in their every day life, miscalculated how this rise would be received, and miscalculated just how many people will leave the service, and forgotten that gaming is just a hobby, and not an everyday essential, because if it is just that 10%, then fine, they will turn a profit, but if it is 15% of people that quit, then the service remains in trouble.
*Just to be clear, I'm not saying 10% or 15% are the actual figures, I am just using them for example purposes...
Re: Xbox Game Pass Is Getting A Major Overhaul With New Names, Games & Price Changes
If Game Pass was profitable, @electrolite77, Microsoft could have increased the price by a couple of pounds / dollars and pretty much everyone of us would have stayed with the service, and Microsoft would have continued to make profit, and kept that line ticking upwards.
What Microsoft have done here is drive a substantial number of people away from the service meaning that they will struggle to make that profit. For the service to be sustainable, Microsoft need people to subscribe and stay subscribed. This hike has done the opposite.
What this 50%+ price increase says is that Microsoft needed to increase the price substantially in order to make a profit. Whether they honestly believed that everyone would suck it up and stick with the service, or whether they calculated a certain percentage of people would leave, but that the number of people that remained would be enough to ensure that profit, is the question.
Personally, I think Microsoft have not read the planet; they have not taken into account how people are struggling worldwide with daily costs, and they have forgotten that gaming is a hobby, not an essential. I honestly very much doubt that Microsoft expected an exodus the size of which they will likely see, and as a consequence, I highly doubt that Game Pass will be turning a profit any time in the near future.
In all honesty, I think that Microsoft are deliberately sabotaging the service because to make it sustainable, they need the current subscriber numbers to be paying the new rates, and that just is not going to happen because people will be leaving in their droves, or at the very least moving to a lower tier. I think Microsoft know this, and can only see one way out, and that is to do away with day one games on the service, and thus by driving people away from Ultimate, they can then get rid of it. I know that sounds very conspiratorial, but if it is not that, then Microsoft are either being plain greedy, or plain negligent...
Re: Xbox Game Pass Is Getting A Major Overhaul With New Names, Games & Price Changes
I'm sure if you look back at my history of comments on this topic, you will see that I have said a fair few times that there will need to be a huge increase in price in order for Game Pass to be sustainable, @Ricky-Spanish. I'm absolutely certain I have, however, I never said how much that would be.
Also, you are missing the point of what I said above, I said that Game Pass is not making a profit. That is what I am saying I am right about. Whether or not Game Pass is sustainable.
The reason I said that is because either Microsoft were telling us the truth, and Game Pass is profitable, in which case Microsoft are being exceptionally callous and greedy at a time when people's finances are restricted. Or, Microsoft were telling us lies, and the service was not profitable, and this 50%+ hike is an attempt to rectify that.
My money is on Microsoft having lied to us, or at the very least been disingenuous with the statement that Game Pass was profitable. Maybe there was some obscure part of the world where is was, or more likely a particular element of it was profitable, however, I don't believe that Game Pass is profitable, or sustainable in its current guise, and this is what I said I had said on a number of occasions...
Re: Xbox Game Pass Is Getting A Major Overhaul With New Names, Games & Price Changes
Truthfully, I hate that I was right too, @Cakefish. Sometimes being right about something when everyone else disagrees with you is not all that much fun...
Re: Xbox Reveals New Conversion Rates For Game Pass Premium & Ultimate
Thank you, @FraserG. I appreciate that you are very busy right now, so am grateful for you assistance. You were right, I don't have an option to change my stacked subscription. Oh, well, I'll just have to wait until June 2027 for it to lapse...
Re: Xbox Game Pass Premium May Be The Best-Value Tier Right Now, With Almost 50 Games Added
Whilst I think that the above poll has value, @Kezelpaso & @FraserG, and it does tell it's own story, might I respectfully suggest a poll that asks the following?:
1. Will you be remaining on your current tier?
2. Will you be moving to a lower tier?
3. Will you be quitting Game Pass altogether?
4. I don't have Game Pass, and I don't intend to join now.
I think that may give a better overview the strength of feeling and how we, as gamers, are likely to react to these price increases...
Re: Xbox Game Pass Premium May Be The Best-Value Tier Right Now, With Almost 50 Games Added
I've said it time and time again, but I honestly do not believe that Game Pass is profitable. Microsoft were either speaking with a forked-tongue when they said it was, or flat out being disingenuous (lying to you and me).
Microsoft cannot have it both ways, either the service was profitable, and they are now being callous and greedy with this price hike of 50%+, or they were speaking untruths when they said Game Pass was profitable.
My honest view is that the service was / is not making a profit, and that this huge price increase will see a massive decline in the number of people that subscribe, which will in turn mean the service will struggle to make a profit. Whether sufficient people remain subscribed, and paying this massive hike to offset the loses that stems from people quitting the service is another question. Personally, I doubt it will, and I can see the service having huge problems over the next 12-24 months.
I've said a number of times that I think Game Pass will not exist in its current form 3 years following the release of the PCBox. I've long thought that the service will become a first-party only service that will then be allowed to go on the PlayStation. Indeed, I also think that the who Play Anywhere notion that Microsoft are pushing is partly with the end of Game Pass in mind.
Honestly, I think the only thing that Microsoft can do now to stem the exodus of gamers from Game Pass, is to put an end to day one first party titles on the service. They need those sales, and to some extent, pricing people out of Ultimate, may help with that aspect, but it will come at the expense of Game Pass subscriber numbers, which will massively impact how much money the service has coming in.
I think Microsoft have made a gamble too far with this more. Either that, or it is intentionally sabotaging Ultimate so that they can do away with the day one first-party games...
Re: Xbox Cloud Gaming Expands With 'Unlimited' Usage & Special Perks For Game Pass Members
As someone that never uses cloud gaming, and never will, all I can say is thank you Microsoft for increasing my subscription by more than 50%, whilst offering me nothing that I want in return. You're the best...
Re: Xbox Reveals New Conversion Rates For Game Pass Premium & Ultimate
My guess is that Game Pass is, and was not, profitable, @GamerScore200K. Basically, I think Microsoft were able to say that it was by some clever double speak wherein profit was made somewhere, allowing them to say it was profitable, but the overall service is not profitable.
How anyone can possibly believe the service to be profitable, but then also needs to have a price hike of 50% or more beggars belief. Unless every big AAA third-party release from here on out is coming on to the service day one, I cannot see how they can possibly justify this.
Basically, either the service is profitable, in which case Microsoft are being callous and exceptionally greedy, or the service is not profitable, and for it to be so, they need to increase the price by 50% or more. It is one of the two, and I'm inclined to think that this is an attempt to make the service profitable (although greed may play a part too)...
Re: Xbox Reveals New Conversion Rates For Game Pass Premium & Ultimate
Serious question, @FraserG, but if, like myself, you have another 20 months or so of Ultimate stacked, can you downgrade that to Premium or Essential. I'm not sure whether Essential comes with online, but that is all I need Game Pass for. It would be good if you can swap tiers like that because it would allow me to stay subscribed for much longer...
Re: Xbox Game Pass Is Getting A Major Overhaul With New Names, Games & Price Changes
Does anyone know if Microsoft will allow us to downgrade our subscription? I have Ultimate, but I'd happily swap my remaining months to Essential instead, which would presumably equate to being subscribed to the service for much longer. I highly doubt you can, but I do know if that is the definitive answer...
Re: Xbox Game Pass Is Getting A Major Overhaul With New Names, Games & Price Changes
I have 4 thoughts about this:
1. If Game Pass was profitable as Microsoft insisted just a month or two back, why the need to raise the price of the subscription by 50% (or more!)? My guess, Microsoft were not telling the whole truth with that particular statement.
2. Just how many people are going to quit the Service as a consequence of this huge increase in price? And will this price increase be enough to cover those who cancel their subscriptions? I highly doubt the second part of that question.
3. What will Microsoft do when they release the PCBox? Will they allow anyone that owns one to subscribe to PC Game Pass instead? Something tells me that somehow Microsoft will say that the PCBox does not qualify for PC Game Pass, which will go down like a lead balloon, and probably be substantively untrue as well.
4. I cannot recall a time when I have seen so many different people commenting on a single article. I have read every single comment, and am amazed that not even the usual suspects are trying to sell this as a win for Xbox. It is very refreshing, truth be told. It also demonstrates the depth of feeling over what is happening, which does not bode well for Game Pass subscriber numbers...
Re: Xbox Game Pass Is Getting A Major Overhaul With New Names, Games & Price Changes
You know Microsoft have dropped the ball when you and I agree with one another, @fatpunkslim... 😂
Re: Fortnite Crew's $11.99 Subscription Is Heading To Xbox Game Pass Ultimate Members
As someone who has never, and never will, play Fortnite, I'd like to personally thank Microsoft for raising the price of my subscription by more than half, whilst offering me nothing in return. Thanks Microsoft, you're great...