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Would have sold more with multiplayer and if the new missions had classic ethos, no undertone that they went with. Drop the narrative. Also with multiplayer price should be the same.

Would have sold a lot more if multiplayer was included and they made the three new missions better. Many people roasted them online. Even so I think people would have overlooked them if multiplayer was there.

@Shinato2024 easy to remake other peoples successful works with newer modern tools adding more polygons. The praise for halo was done several years ago. I don’t have faith that halo studios can make their own bespoke halo with the same ethos by the original blokes whom made the title. If Xbox wants to be serious about winning they will return more to a gamer centric ethos of prior years.

People act as if the vanity gaming hobby is the only thing that has gone up in price. Gaming hasn’t kept up with inflation at all. Couple this with the market reality. Which is AI data center demand, drone needs, automotive industry etc, all bid for chip allocations in China or Taiwan. That’s why everything else has gone up in price and will continue to climb. Lastly since the cough era, worldwide demand for consumer electronics never dropped.

Gaming is still a great value per dollar. It’s not the early 2000s anymore in which a console was 300$. Also during that era people made way less across the board compared to today. It’s just inflation. Going to take time to seriously get new places to build chips in the west.

Kudos to MS for actually taking advantage of the PS5 Pro. As a pro owner it’s great that developers do. It’s not required of them especially being a competitor. I didn’t buy the game and I’ll stick to the master chief collection. I hope the next Xbox is significantly more powerful than the PS6 and that MS gets its act together. I want a way more competitive Xbox. They have the studios.

@BringIT73 new overpriced single component GPU versus an old system on chip that is nearly 7+ years old.

@BossBE PS5 is the lead platform. Xbox Series X is stronger and can brute force its way to running whatever game can run on base PS5. Developers don’t need to fully optimize for Xbox series x nor do they care to make the best version of the game for it. Since they have work to do to downgrade it in series s.

It’s funny how this generation people downplay the power before the pro came out as being important. I remember during the Xbox one times, how many times reviewers and YouTubers roasted the Xbox one on power. It was always a focal point plus didn’t help that it wasn’t the leader in sales or close to PS4. Reviewers kept praising the PS4 and this gen it didn’t matter haha. Well until the pro.

Gaming is a hobby no one is entitled to it. It still remains attainable to many. These modern consoles are built well and will last a while. MS and Sony have to secure production time just like every other company. Hence the price increases. Couple that with the AI trend which is a joke plus increased consumer demand across the world in general. These prices make sense.

@Yooka-Laylee every industry faces inflation. The gaming industry has remained relatively cheap and prices have been generous since the 2000s. This is what it looks like when two countries make almost all chips and the demand for consumer electronics exceeds capacity. Even so gaming remains a great deal.

@MrStark that’s because Sony went cheap after the PS3 era. They went all in with the cell engine and building a robust console. So they don’t want to spend so much on R/D anymore. Hence why they went the cheaper non bespoke route for the architect and make cheap hardware. PS4 was truly a let down! Xbox One was a very well built console! But yea it’s a shame because Sony is a hardware company. Even the PS5 is so cheap!

MS should offer an external disc drive or partner with other manufacturers. Same for Sony. Plus take the Nintendo switch 2 approach. Would put Xbox as number 1 for me next generation. As of now I won’t get a PS6.

@Balaam_ exactly mate. This isn’t good for anyone. As a physical only guy for all media that I buy this is bad for everyone. It’s not like digital rights have been strong for years with legislation backing them. Similar to cybersecurity consumer rights and data privacy, the technology leads way ahead. With the regular person rights lagging so far behind. This internet of everything world is not good at all. Everything will be tied to a subscription which is a EUA. Games will be censored as time goes on and one won’t be able to control what version of the game they want.

@Sindayl and there is no incentive to lower digital prices. Especially considering the silly AI data center race. As long as the company can pay their utility bills digital games don’t have a shelf life like physical.

@RadioHedgeFund Nintendos handhelds were high tech and state of the art at the time. Good processing power for that time. Now what console makers don’t do now is make truly bespoke chip sets. Like they did in the great PS3/X360. PS3 was considered state of the art for the time and X360 had a lot of overhead also. Manufacturers have to remain relatively current with the technology otherwise people wouldn’t be interested. Especially Xbox and PS, whom marketed themselves as having the best next generation experience keeping up with PC’s.

For console and PC gaming I only ever accept local hardware gaming. I don’t care how good internet gets in a few places across the west. Local hardware so that I can own it and not be beholden to this “internet of everything (IoT)” love affair. Everything in life has gone up due to inflation. The gaming industry is just now catching up! Even so gaming is a much better value then spending money on a movie ticket to be entertained for an 1 or 2, then that experience is done.

@Quaali my interest when to near zero when I heard there would be no physical. While I am just one person, it’s so easy for me to boycott things that I don’t like. I won’t support a terrible precedent.

Good news. Competition is good and I want a strong Xbox brand.

@Tyrant_T103 and I should be able to get a Ferrari V12 in “cheaper” sports car. That’s not how IPs work. Brands want to make money and get people into their ecosystem. Competition is good and I like brand identities. Delays the inevitable super corp.

@BacklogBrad MS is software rich. All they need to do is increase the costs of their software and services by 0.01$ to include subsidized gamepass if they need a surge in cash.

@Resurrected-X460 not a complaint during the relevant years when this game was out. Easy now to judge the game design. Millions of players enjoyed halo CE. It was a special console game.

Just corporate talk, marketing lingo, words for investors to invoke confidence, and fillers for their board of directors. Corporations make long term plans and before she was at the “helm” decisions were made. Going to take time to see the previous plan unfold and/or the new direction take effect. Executives always are in the shadow for a bit of their predecessors. With that said I like competition and want a strong Xbox brand. No one needs an expensive degree to know the problems and what the brand needs. Until we get action and consistency from the Xbox division, I won’t be cheerful yet.

@Zenszulu yea I don’t know why people are so excited. New execs always give their corporate talks when they get into their new roles. This is just marketing talk to give investors confidence while they muster up a plan or carry on with a previous plan.

@ZeD another thing to remember is that TV technology back then was different and arguably better in some ways. Some of us were still using CRT tvs the PS3/X360 era allowed for smoother images even till this day. Especially for motion. LED technology just isn’t there yet to look like a CRT. With that said I’m no so critical of games that release at 30 fps especially RPGs. For me as long as the game is playable I’m okay. I enjoyed the Witcher 3 on my Xbox one last generation. Of course I love the current generation version of the game. But I appreciate that the developer gave a true next gen game last generation. Same for RDR2. Game plays good to me.

I’m intrigued. A powerful console at launch with enough overhead to last for the generation is a good thing. PS3 and Xbox 360 were the last strong bespoke consoles. The challenge for I see for Microsoft is convincing the casual gamer console audience why a more expensive Xbox is a must have over what Sony puts out next and the switch 2. I hope it’s really competitive. As I like competition and I want a good Xbox brand. I expect a minimum of what I paid for my PS5 pro with a disc drive.

@IronCrow86 everyone in the world wants electronics. Chips are in so many things. Also they are mostly made in two countries. Press and production time slots are expensive.

@Chip-Douglas it’s not an outdated model. Companies want people to buy solely into their ecosystem. It MS hardware was number one and they kept their IPs on their own console people would have a different tune.

@NeoRatt it’s a joke that MS isn’t using its own IP engine for its flagship brand Halo. Instead they opted for the cheap Toyota Camry engine for the sake of margins. Bespoke engines for a specific game are always better.

@Questionable_Duck nah Sony doesn’t have to do this just because MS decided to make more money because of subsidized gamepass not working as planned. Sony will hold it cards as exclusives still matter. And even more so now as the next Xbox increases its library due to the hybrid PC model. So Sony has to lure people into its hardware which will be weaker. So they have their work cut out for them. And they cannot afford to do what MS has done by being 3rd party due to their market position since Xbox one. It should be interesting next generation between Sony and MS.

@BacklogBrad well they wanted to go all in on the common class Toyota Corolla unreal engine. So I see this as a proof of concept that they can use this common class engine going forward. A shame really.

A console with a lot of overhead sounds good to me. Especially about the rumors of how the next Xbox will be a hybrid. MS could really make things more interesting by making the next Xbox slightly more expensive than the PS6 then raising windows by 0.01$ to make up on the backend. Then actually advertising their offerings for real unlike how they treated the series consoles. Will force Sony and Nintendo to be really innovative. It will be good for all.

@stuie123 even so console gaming is still cheap compared to inflation. People expecting 300$-400$ consoles with 50$ games are mistaken. As people make more money and the industry is more expensive. Gaming has always been a luxury. At least those that opt for the Xbox will get hardware that will have more overhead compared to the PS6. As it won’t be until a PS6 pro comes out that it may be able to get close to the next Xbox assuming rumors are true. Besides the current generation consoles will be available for the foreseeable future.

@SalaciousCrumb as long as the next Xbox is powerful like they say then I’m okay with high prices. As honestly gaming hasn’t kept up with the price of inflation. People still expect 300$ to 400$ consoles and 50$ games. Despite making more money even with inflation. Gaming is a vanity hobby at the end of the day. People that work in the industry need compensation too just like you and I. Even as a young lad consoles were expensive for my parents to buy and it was a big deal to have one. Still the same now.

@themightyant subsidized gamepass is still cheap. I don’t see why people complain about it. One can play nearly any new game on it and doesn’t haven’t to buy new games. I don’t care for the service as I buy real physical when possible. But it’s a great subscription service for consumers. Even if it was 70$ a month it would still be a steal. As some people buy one new game a month. People just want free free free and more free.

@fatpunkslim yes it will be easier for PC game developers. One less game version to specifically develop for is beneficial. Sony and Nintendo will still do what they do. Which is fine in my opinion. More competition is better and MS has added many good contributions to the gaming industry.
It will be interesting how MS will price this. They should price it as near the PS6 as possible. Make up the money over the generation.

Then lastly actually advertise Xbox worldwide!! MS is a rich company. Makes no sense how weak their marketing has been for the series consoles post launch.

@fatpunkslim i hope that it will b allow for a removable disc drive to be added on. Also I hope that they don’t release a new SOC every few years and treat it as a console for several years. That way console game developer have ample time to make optimized games for it.

@AhabSpampurse these are vanity goods at the end of the day. Also semiconductors are almost all made in one of two countries. The west has itself to blame.

@WildConcept6 Sony will keep a tighter LID on its IPs. MS only opened up and created subsidized gamepass as it is due to its position since Xbox one. MS’s investors wanted revenue. Across gaming, studios need to manage their budgets more like previous eras. Exclusives are still profitable. Console hardware is more important to Sony than it is MS. So they will continue to provide a reason for one to get a PS. Like I said MS adapted to their position in the console space and Xbox is a subsidiary of MS. Sony and Nintendo will manage their IPs better.

@Nintendo4Sonic agreed mate. I only buy real physical when possible. Fortunately I still have all of my Xbox 360 discs. But still I have a series X and want first party MS games fully on discs.

@Medic_alert MS just needs to raise the price by windows by one cent for each respective currency and keep Xbox proprietary for another generation. Xbox isn’t a stand alone gaming entity like SEGA whom had to leave the console market nor like Nintendo. I do hope we can get another console generation from Xbox that is an Xbox. With the ethos from the Xbox 360 era. This is what I really want. As competition is what pushes innovation and MS had people whom loved gaming in charge during the X360 era. Which forced Nintendo and Sony to be innovative too. MS can do it they have the leverage and many talented engineers.

@BAMozzy unfortunately the global market isn’t even strong for Xbox outside of the Anglo countries due to Microsoft’s lack of marketing this generation for the series consoles. So in reality we are only talking USA and the commonwealth countries plus maybe Japan for Xbox branded handhelds. So even more of a niche product than a steam deck perhaps. Maybe it will surprise everyone just like the streaming only PS portal did.

I don’t feel that my series X has even been used at all! Whatever they plan for next I still hope that they at least try to convince me to get an Xbox with exclusive experiences plus unique software. Otherwise, I’m stopping at series X.

@fatpunkslim will be tough. As people of the world didn’t want to pay for series consoles which are a great deal for a consumers with subsidized gamepass. It will be a tough sell for a more expensive hybrid PC box console. Families will likely still flock to PS. And Xbox will become more niche even if the hardware is better as it will cost more. And since Xbox is a huge publisher they might not spend as much time optimizing their PC Xbox’s. Instead just relying on the huge power overhead to make up for the time needed to optimize a weaker PS6.

@SMJ and that won’t lure people in to buy more expensive outsourced hardware that isn’t optimized. People did rush out to buy the series consoles which were a great value before the price hikes. I just don’t see how outsourced hardware will be successful outside of a few super fans.

As it stands now whatever Xbox is released next, I don’t feel confident buying one. Seeing as how everything will be available on PlayStation. I don’t know whah they will do to keep those of us on the platform who have been there since the first Xbox.

@Valhura subsidized gamepass could be 70 dollars which is the cost of a new game. It would still be a great deal for consumers IMO.

@fatpunkslim don’t be surprised if E-day goes day 1 on PlayStation. As the suits at MS know that the PS fan base actually buys games. MS tied its hands with its subsidized gamepass service by going day 1 for everything they own. I’m still disappointed that gears 1 is going to PS. It was a staple IP during the great X360/PS3 generation. Gears 1 going to PlayStation is to generate excitement about the IP which seriously leads me to believe E-day will be out the same time as day 1 subsidized gamepass.

@NeoRatt families and young lads worldwide will still covet a PlayStation. The more separation from these mega corporations the better. I support each having their own bespoke hardware. It will be a tough sell for MS worldwide to push its Xbox PC as it was a super struggle to push the good value Series S console. I’m surprised it took MS this long to make a hybrid PC Xbox but they still have their work cut out for them. As the PC base isn’t the console or mobile phone base. PC gamers are mostly folks that are 18+ and have a real job. So there will always be a demand for a console device that goes under one’s TV. If MS kept most of the Xbox games as exclusive this hybrid device would be more alluring to me. As it stands now, I’ll just get a PS6 pro whenever it comes out. And I’ve had an Xbox since the beginning so I’m not a hater. I just appreciate brand identity.

Massive overreach and about controlling the narrative. Meanwhile schools don’t exactly teach what many normal people would agree with in these modern Anglo lands.

I like the Perfect Dark IP! Perfect dark zero was great. I’m Glad this one got canceled as judging by the trailer and character design I wasn’t interested. Hopefully in a few years it will be made when there is a different ethos at Xbox gaming internally. Same for all of Xbox! There is so much potential among the entity.

The Xbox crowd isn’t so into these JRPG SE games as the PlayStation base which made these games famous. So no surprise here. I’m sure if it was on subsidized game pass it would have more engagement. SE should have known it would not be a hit if they did their homework on the base so that their expectations would be kept in check. But it’s SE and they weren’t happy with how much it sold on PS which is ridiculous.