J_Mo_Money

What i dont understand is why doesnt Sony allow their studios to go independent or sell them to other publishers?

Xbox and Embracer are the only two publishers i can think of that actually negotiate buyouts with their studios while the others just flat out shut them down. AND they get to keep their IPs.

More companies need to look for other solutions ...

i expected far worse. I heard bloodbath WAY too many times. The fact that none of the 4 being rumored were shut down is actually crazy, because they are able to stay open for the short term.

Also expected way for layoffs.

@IronCrow86 dont most movies already have a digital copy included if you buy the version that included blu ray + digital?

Xbox is so far ahead when it comes to preparing for a digital future. With their back compat, dual entitlement with play anywhere, and now disc to digital?

Especially when it comes to security and worrying about digital purchases im way more comfortable with xbox than Playstation.

I refuse to even put my CC in Sony's database at this point.

I expected this for years. I hear the people over on Push love it. At least we can stop using UK physical sales data as console war fodder now.

It wasn't indicative of true numbers for a while now, anyway.

The best part about games that arent play anywhere is that a majority of them are on cloud with free cloud saves, thats what I end up doing with a lot of the stuff.

If i can't play it natively on rog xbox ally ill cloud stream it and pull in the cloud save (for the graphically intensive games, it actually performs better in a lot of cases than trying to run native).

Never needed the feature until i bought the xbox rog ally to couple with my series X. Even the cloud on that runs great (if you have gP ultimate with the better quality).

Such a great feature.

I might give it a go, many other games still to play!

@Romans12 most people gonna get that Ultimate edition since it has locked content too. Nasty work.

@MinervaX76 curious when their last bundle even was. Fortnite and call of duty, maybe?

@Fishmasterflex96 we get it, your a massive playstation fan who cant stand xbox or anyone besmirching the great sony name.

There’s a reason your comments keep getting removed for trolling/baiting on purexbox.

If you wanna fanboy do that over on Push.

@Fiendish-Beaver i think you missed the part where i talked about cod/battlefield/fortnite/apex ect in another post. Unless you’re a super popular game like that it.

Gears aint hittin those numbers and it would mean more to keep it exclusive than put it on PS.

Xbox/PC will be just fine.

@KPS i specifically said games like COD, fortnite, ect are beasts in the industry and helldivers did well, but games that arent a live service or a huge known commodity aren't going to do those kind of numbers like Battlefield, apex ect.

Gears of War E-Day i don't think would have done that well.

@Enriesto indeed. and now with prices being what they are ect i think people are just stuck where they are "for the most part."

@awp69 i think they cant make that many so they just increase the price to make money on the ones they CAN make, unfortunately for the consumers.

@MinervaX76 I guess i shouldnt say "they dont like fps" what i should say is they prefer certain types of games over others, as do xbox players and nintendo and pc.

I LOVE jrpgs and i game on xbox so yes there is some blurring of the lines and SOME will do well over there, i think Fable will do big numbers.

@MinervaX76 that is true, yes. But for the most part their live service push has been a failure (aside from helldivers).

Also since COD is, well, COD, i dont see Gears having that same effect as the others.

Like Forza and stuff makes sense, but since Gears isnt technically a free to play live service game like fortnite, roblox ect i wouldnt see that having similar success.

@AI-Generation PS5 audience doesn't care for shooter games like xbox/pc. There also arent huge into multiplayer like those other audiences.

They'll be playing wolverine and Phantom Blade Zero and waiting for GTA, dont think it would have done all that well, maybe 2 mil and thats pushing it, my money woulda been closer to 1.

@Millionski yeah they should have waited. Call of duty and GTA 6 release this year, keep it cheap until AFTER the holidays.

Curious who else increases price by the end of the year.

@Fiendish-Beaver E-day isn't a live service game. its multiplayer but not live service. 2 different things.

@AI-Generation that you did.

@Fishmasterflex96 if you say so.

Not just Xbox getting a reset, but the whole gaming industry needs a reset. High console prices and now games probably gonna be $80 after GTA comes out.

Bloated budgets and long turnaround times also. COVID really messed up the gaming industry too.

@Fishmasterflex96 wink

@Banjo- it's a game pass problem, banjo. remember!

@dreadful I believe the amount of people getting laid off will be the same or more of a head count than double fine, ninja theory, and compulsion combined.

Sony having their own bloodbath it seems.

@fatpunkslim yup. agree.

Well well well. Looks like the shoe is on the other foot this time. No faith in Sony whatsoever ...

@Banjo- if this is slop, give it all to me!

game looks good, but will it BE good?

$80 doesnt surprise me, nor deter me from buying, since i wasnt gonna buy anyway. Not that into GTA and my backlog will be quite large by mid November.

Gotta stock up on all those 3-6 month old games during the black Friday sale.

cannot WAIT for this game. I will be partaking in game pass, of course.

It means that, for what it is, its struggling to be as powerful as the base ps5/xsx at DOUBLE the price. You want a controller? Pay $80 more.

People "claimed" it would be a helix killer and shake up the console market but looks more like a super niche, overpriced piece of tech that'll be a wet fart rather than the monster it was supposed to be.

It was an intriguing proposition at a cheap price but for THIS price? No thanks, I'll get the 25th anniversary xbox and wait for the helix after.

@Fishmasterflex96 i just dont know what the solution would be because i just dont think this is an xbox specific problem.

If ONLY xbox had a problem with game budgets and putting things out that takes years, or with lay offs and closures, and things of that nature then it would have to be accounted for, but the industry as a whole has so many issues (mainly due to costs) its hard to point the finger at 1 things.

Although that is kind of straying off toping because the article is about what this guy sees as slop and ive just seen so much great content for me its hard for me to agree with him.

I suppose with any service that has 400+ of anything for all different tastes there will be plenty of content that doesnt appeal to people, just part if having that much diversity and content on any movie/gaming/streaming service.

@Fishmasterflex96 like @backlogbrad said though a lot of those arent "slop." Looking at the scores of a lot of the xbox games from the last few years they've scored well. Many in low to mid 80's, some higher, some lower.

Basically a lot of them score where a majority of publishers games score, if he's talking about 1st party that is. And Forza 6 just blew it out of the water.

For 3rd party Expedition 33 and some other 3rd party were awesome as hell, and now we got plague tale, persona 6, and gears and fable ect coming down the pipe? Im saving so much money on all these games i would have bout.

That to me is a stellar lineup and thank God i dont have to buy all those and can partake in game pass.

With budgets and hardware increasing ect i just hope the price of game pass doesn't slap us across the face again.

@Fishmasterflex96 those aren't good enough with OR without game pass tho, thats the issue. If you dont like those games in game pass they werent gonna do much without it either and still be in deep trouble.

I LOVED south of midnight, avowed, hellblade 2, outer worlds 2 ect and now it sounds like everyone is just gonna focus on big budget, safe bet stuff.

Sadly we'll probably get fewer games a year now and similar experiences. I've gotten so much value and awesomeness from the games in game pass on my time with it ill be sad when it changes.

@Fishmasterflex96 if you cant have a simple discussion online without going off the deep-end then i can't help you.

COD was taken off because when MS jacked the price up and released a terrible COD it didn't make business sense for that game. 99.9% of games aren't COD, so we can't put them under one umbrella. And nothing IS a one thing fix all, you're right, that's why we cant lump everything in with COD.

Hell, half the publishers in the industry say games "don't meet expectations." Look at Square-Enix, Sony, Embracer, EA, Ubisoft ect ect all having layoffs and closing studios here and there.

There is a much wider problem going on in this industry and ballooning prices (whether hardware, software, or subscriptions) are the issue plaguing all of us.

@BacklogBrad I was told 8's are trash from everyone online, personally ...

@Fishmasterflex96 tell me what's sustainable then? Is live service sustainable? Is selling games $70 a pop sustainable? What's sustainable?

If you havent noticed other publishers are closing studios and laying people off.

Would love to hear how all the studios team blue closes are getting by not being on a service ...

@CaptainCluck game pass was the reason most of those studios were able to release games in the first place. Game pass made 5B in revenue in the fiscal year 25 and was actually subsidizing other parts of the business because it was bringing in a ton of cash. The increase to $30 is what screwed them, not the concept itself.

So no, game pass was not losing money for xbox, it was helping it, and if you look at the articles that break it down recently you would see that ...

@MinervaX76 yeah whats harming the industry is far bigger and wider reaching. You see that Steam Machine price?

Wow.

@Fishmasterflex96 thats your opinion. not mine.

@BacklogBrad was thinking the same thing lol! Gaming is the only hobby or entertainment medium that i know of that consumers would argue in favor of paying more and siding with corporations than their own pocket.

Only community i've seen it.

@Questionable_Duck people wanna ignore industry problems and make em big bad Microsoft problems. Just is what it is.

I see PS is all about that AI enhancing gaming. MS says it "outrage," PS says it "crickets."

I just laughed at the ignorance of the gaming media ...

@HonestHick the fact Sony charges what they charge for PS Plus without first party day and date should be criminal.

But since they only release a few games a year they dont have the output for it ...

I've loved my time in game pass and actually found some games i wouldn't have bought otherwise and LOVED them. With the 1st party output from XBOX finally hitting a good peak my only problem is finding the time ...

Mahler just talks too damn much ...

@fatpunkslim Me as well. Im looking forward to playing that game but i'm waiting for $50 or less.

Checked out the gameplay later yesterday and this looks insane. Did not expect to be as hyped as i am. This could very well be GOTY based on early impressions.

CANNOT WAIT FOR THIS...