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@Aniscape That's not happening. Even cable TV has ads.

This is a very classic PC game and if I had more time, I would give it a shot. Unfortunately, I'm old.

@datamonkey My bad — I meant to write $1.4 trillion, not billion.

@BacklogBrad Similar situation here. I walked away prior to Advanced Warfare, though not due to some CoD-hatred. I had tried MWII during the demo/beta period and had a lot of fun with randos in MP & DMZ. So, I had been considering returning to CoD for a couple years (holding off for the inevitable Game Pass drop).

A couple days ago I beat the MWIII campaign on Game Pass. Interestingly, only 4% of players have completed the campaign, and only 0.20% completed the campaign on Veteran.

@Feffster Quake III Arena? That game came out my first year out of college! I'm 47. Then again, they did put out Quake I and II remasters recently.

@NEStalgia I don't agree with that assessment. While I walked away from CoD years ago, I've always played a wide variety of games. I've played on multiple devices (consoles, computers/PC) all my life. The same reasons pushed me away from CoD and Assassin's Creed — life and series annualization. Destiny had to be abandoned due to the time commitment.

Right now, the MWIII campaign is in my rotation and I'm having a great time. I plan to jump into MP, too. I played the demo period of the previous CoD and that helped to reignite interest.

I will give these a try at least. I was 17 when PS1 launched and never really cared for Crash outside of mascot/commercial duties.

@datamonkey You guys DO realize that Microsoft's market cap went up $1.4 trillion during the duration of the ABK trial...right? That's 14 Sony's added to their 20 Sony's at the start (to provide some perspective).

The points are cents and fractions of cents that add up over time. It is meant to save you a few bucks, "organically." You get points for playing games, you don't play games to get points. Many of us approach it as the latter. The rewards should be just that, and an additional "little push" to get Xbox and Game Pass players to play daily.

@Ooccoo_Jr Selling on rival platforms is not some cure-all. They could have done that 20+ years ago. You have far more competition to contend with, for one. Third party titles now include all those that were blocked from Xbox.

You're entering a hostile environment and some users may see your titles as pariah. Dev teams would need to expand to develop more titles for Sony (and soon Nintendo). More foreign dev kits would be needed. Returns would at best be 70% of the sales price of each unit. Perhaps worst of all you may become beholden or coupled to the rival.

@JoakimZ I'm about 3-5 hours into AWII, fifteen minutes into BG3, and I'm haven't started Armored Core 6, yet. All of which I bought at or near launch. That's just for starters.

@OldGamer999 "Xbox needs their GOWR, Uncharted 4, BOTW and Mario Odyssey and not good average games."

I would say that is false narrative that has perpetuated. The Sony games focus heavily on narrative and cinematic presentation far beyond gameplay. Nintendo is games are the default safe games for children and are exalted by some nostalgic adults. As for the next Doom, had it been Xbox exclusive, it would have been knocked for it.

@themightyant

Thanks. I never heard of NSO.

"Game Pass prices will not increase as a result of the Merger,.."

The price was always going to go up. The merger took two years to complete and the FTC is still being a nuisance. It may happen again in as much time. Game Pass is a lot more than CoD or ABK games.

"...and certainly will not increase to a point that offsets the substantial benefits of Activision titles coming to Game Pass on a day and date basis"

That section is true. It is actually a clarification of the first part of the sentence. Essentially, "The price probably won't go up as a direct result of the merger and any price increase will not exceed the value added by the ABK catalog." I already own D4 on PC, though I am having fun with MWIII now.

We are talking about a $2-$3 increase. Skip fast food for lunch one day a month, and that just about covers the price of Game Pass Ultimate. The increase only affect new customers and people who pay month-to-month.

There are also MS Rewards points, which renders the hardship argument largely moot. I was on Xbox Live uninterrupted since 2002s so converting to 3 years of GPU was a steal. My membership has been fueled by rewards points since and is good to 2027 and counting.

@somnambulance What is "NSO"?

@themightyant You can't expect it to be "to the letter" an exact experience in every way. The FTC can't hold Microsoft or any company to the absurd questions. They were just asking a bunch of unreasonable questions in an attempt to scrape together a case.

I beat the original on PC so long ago. That was a great era for PC. This could be fun to check out. Now I've got a controller for that racing mission. 😄

I uninstalled MK1 a couple months ago because of the size and lack of playtime. Ideally, I'd like to keep all fighting games installed. Capacity meant it was time to make some cuts. I have the 1 TB cards and some SSDs. If the 2 TB card ever goes on sale for under $200, I might consider a purchase.

They start you in that Battle Pass sector map, so it took me a few minutes to find the menu with the campaign. The tile was also all the way to the right, with the MP tiles on the left (which was odd). I already had the launcher install, though I handed played at all on console since the CoD before this one.

I don't particularly like the names or the naming convention when considered in total. However, I don't have much confidence in anyone who would be "confused" by them. Cars have models that are close and people have phone numbers that are close. If you can't differentiate than god help you.

@Kevw2006 Yeah, I think it comes down to a few biases that do not allow the reviewers to evaluate the game itself:

1. MS won and acquired ABK 😢
2. "Consolidation is bad!" fearmongering
3. Call of Duty is "too popular"
4. Call of Duty is "too successful"
5. Bobby Kotick "won"
6. The campaign is not the normal fleshed out standard
7. "I'd rather be playing Mario or Zelda"-anything types

These sites thought the game or ABK needed to be punished. The reviews were their version of review bombing. An attempt to "send a message." It didn't work. No reasonable person would think MWIII was actually a 4/10.

@InterceptorAlpha The FTC scenario wasn't that simple. Their lawyer asked a series of questions that were unreasonable, until the judge stopped them. They were trying to block the acquisition for glory, not protect consumers.

Many people here are ignoring the facts of the matter. A lawyer's question can't handcuff a company to never change a service or increase prices. When Game Pass console was announced, it was widely ridiculed for being "pointless." Now everyone desperately wants to keep it?

@IOI The FTC are just lawyers and all they care about is winning a case against big tech here. Their argument remains poor, and they are misrepresenting the facts to slap something together. This isn't water, electric, or housing — it's videogames. VIDEOGAMES. Even worse, they chose to focus on one.

The scenario (1a) they presented was that MS would make ABK games exclusive to Xbox "harm" Sony. The next hypothetical (1b) was a huge price increase for Call of Duty, Game Pass and XCloud to "extort" people. This would be highly effective because as we all know, humans need CoD to live. They also asked if MS would do several things that Sony has done for a decade regarding the Call of Duty.

The ABK deal will have been closed for 12 months by the time the next Call of Duty arrives. Starfield, Forza, and STALKER will be in the service with Avowed and Indy's arrivals imminent. The service was always going to undergo a price increase (ABK or no ABK) and restructuring.

@GeeEssEff Whether you personally "don't like those games" or think they arrived in the service too late is of no relevance. It has no bearing on whether or not MS should be clear to acquire ABK. That has nothing to do with "protecting the consumer." Any game in the service is for sale outside of Game Pass, an optional service.

@x3King84 "Let’s be honest, most rumours have been right."

I wouldn't say that — the media and general internet denizens are manufacturing rumors incessantly. Some of them have to be true.

@EvenStephen7 I agree, for the most part. Twisted Metal was pretty dumb. Watchable, but dumb. It was something I put on and didn't bother to sit in front of the TV the whole time. It belongs in the Halo bucket, not with the other two.

The way things are going, the FTC better pad their resumes before October. Why don't these guys go after cable companies?

I'm tempted to get Yie Ar Kung-Fu for old times' sake.

@Owyn I think it cycled out.

EDIT:

Persona 3 is still on the console Game Pass Ultimate. I'm not sure if I tried searching for the PC version in the Xbox app before the other day.

No, I only remember Driver and maybe Driver 2 on PS. It was a big deal when you were able to step out of the car. I was not aware that Ubisoft had control of the series.

@IOI Whether those people end up joining Game Pass or not, it means more eyes on those games. Game Pass is a great promotional mechanism across all platforms. Awareness of the platform and the title are greatly increased. The onus is still on the consumer to buy a game, rent it (BB and HV are gone, GameFly still exists), join Game Pass, or do nothing.

People might want to compare Game Pass Ultimate pricing & offerings to GameFly (https://www.gamefly.com/registration).

@Pac_Bot It seemed rather clear to me. MS sent the notification to multiple points of contact (Xbox console, email, etc.). There was even an included link to other point redemption options. Insiders, game sites, and YTbers jump the gun on every bit of news or rumor, releasing leaks and sparking confusion for profit.

Game Pass has been absurdly cheap considering what you get and the efficacy of reward points. I converted about 3 years of XBLive to Ultimate, have been on pure rewards point for year after that period ended, and my membership won't expire until Nov. 27, 2026 (add climbing). The service has to be paid for somehow.

Starfield, FH5, and a third that needs more consideration before choosing.

Halo Infinite swept the legs out of FH5 and killed its momentum for me. I've revisited over the last few years and recently have been playing near-daily. FH5 is a fantastic game.

@themightyant Thanks for the tip about 3 months of Core being a better deal. Coincidentally, I started receiving notifications that the 1-month GPU auto renewal is ending August 12, 2024.

@dreadful What?!? "Literally?" Not even close.

@AccessibleDaydream Why? Because Ytbers and "insiders" leak everything they can (or fabricate info) for clicks (profit). MS/Xbox has been carrying the games media or streamer news for years now. Sony and Nintendo provide little and Xbox garners stronger response, even if the news bits were 1:1. This article has links to 3 other articles about the same thing on this very site.

Here is the actual US Game Pass site (just Core and Ultimate offered):
https://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-game-pass?xr=shellnav

@themightyant I mistyped — my membership currently expires Nov. 27, 2026. So, it is about to cross into 2027, not 2028. Two years and 5 months to go. That's purely fueled by rewards points since June 2023. I changed to 1-month GPU auto renewal from redeeming 3-month GPU, as it works out to less points.

Lately, I've become lazy about earning Edge, Bing, and mobile points. I've been doing the same routine for years now.

"Just pick a plan and stick with it"

Ultimate. Why would you ever choose anything but GP Ultimate?

@themightyant I'm in a similar situation regarding the cost of GPU and MS reward points (pushing expiration into 2028 shortly). If it were somehow a financial issue, I'd simply cancel one of my streaming service subscriptions or subscribe to GPU discontinuously.

I have to say, though...Ryan McCaffrey is a goof and has grown tiresome. He only attributes the phrase "stepping on rakes" to MS Xbox and never to Sony and Nintendo screw ups. Nor can he make a video without saying, "banger/bang-ger," or "this/that ain't it." I've grown to dislike him.

This does not affect me, nor is it surprising. Game Pass Ultimate is worth it even without Day One first party. Still, GPU includes those titles, discounts on purchase, along with MS Reward points for playing. I am stocked up due to those points. Regardless, I would pay the monthly sub fee if need be. Twenty dollars is the cost of buying lunch outside for one day.

P.S. That family tier was never coming to US/Europe; that has been obvious for some time.

This one looks interesting, and I hope it gets the necessary polish to impress. The female cops voice does seem like a placeholder, though.

Just make it look & play faithful to the series. Double Dragon was king of the arcades before Street Fighter (II).

I used to put a game (sports) on while playing...games. My only major complaint about snap is that it wasted a lot of screen real estate.

@armondo36 Same here. I vowed to never to buy or play another Madden game after they did this, and never did. I'm someone who had played Madden since I was elven or twelve and the first game released on Sega Genesis. Twenty years later, they still have the NFL/NFLPA licenses locked down. NFL game progression was destroyed by this.

@Savage_Joe I'm in the U.S. and I had to search for it. The GP tile leads right to preinstall for the full game, but no mention of the demo.

DR1 and DR3 are my favorites. I voted for #1. One, two, and three were cool, with only DR4 being lackluster. DR3 really needs a performance boost on Series X.

I tried the Steam demo for Flintlock this weekend. The game is not something I would buy. It may take some more time with it (upgrades and unlocks) and hopefully the finished product is a little more polished.

@Fiendish-Beaver We are speculating way too much on all Xbox games going to PS. Right now, we are focused on a narrow sliver of time that has been heavily meddled with by regulatory gaze. The Xbox was created for a reason. MS wants control and the player base is 30 million on Series alone.

Console players are the easiest to indoctrinate to new services; it's the $500 barrier that is a problem when phones offer mobile utility & necessity, tablets are cheaper, and the console competition is entrenched. MS won't want to be beholden to Sony as the only console platform today any more than in 2001.

@Mustoe I have about 9 hours in Mankind Divided — though I doubt I've played since 2020 (just checked Steam, yes Jan. 2020).

My most egregious backlog completion is the original Deus Ex. I bought it at launch after playing a demo disc. Two restarts and 13 years later, I beat the Steam version. Half-Life 2 is the second longest stretch.

@GuyinPA75 The only really damning moment (that I recall) was immediately after the PS4 E3 2013 show, when Xbox got trounced on price and changing/amorphous policy. Angry Joe tried to interview him, and Major Nelson was pissed off and rude. I can understand in that moment being upset. Regardless, he should have handled it better. Mattrick also made the "If you can't get online, we have a console for you; Xbox 360" right in that window.