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It's working now for those of us with the 360 bc version

I absolutely love PGR 3 & 4 and would absolutely love them to be backwards compatible but that ship has quite obviously sailed off into the night

I think they're trying to guage how people feel about 1st party releases. They keep saying exclusives are a thing of the past but gamers say they aren't. Xbox are desperately trying to stay relevant in the console market.

@TheGameThrifter the thing is they're only saying they aren't interested in exclusives anymore is because they can't sell consoles so their exclusives don't sell. They bought Activision thinking it would sink PlayStation but it didn't work quite exactly as they planned. All this "we don't like exclusives" is nothing more than a cover story for their continued abject failure since the reveal of the Xbox One.

Any Xbox fanboy should be happy about this. Without making the jump to PlayStation there would be no future for Halo, Gears, Forza etc because Xbox simply can't shift the console numbers needed needed to make these games a viable option for development anymore.

@Kaloudz i agree on that. Their wording sughests this is the last game. They said they'll continue to support this game, but if there was going to be any more games I would think they would have said "support the franchise" instead.

I'll be waiting for reviews first, there may be a reason it's been priced this low. It looks good but good trailers don't always translate into good games

@DeadmeatSWE not every game has to be 60fps to be considered optimised considering that nearly every game has its best graphics in 30fps. Sounds like you're complaining about an issue that only exists in your mind

@Techno92LFC maybe those at Xenia have been told to keep quiet by MS? Would make sense if they want to keep this announcement under wraps until next year

Is there any point in me holding out hope for PGR 3&4 to ever get BC??

@Fiendish-Beaver I've never downloaded it from Gamepass, maybe I received the code by mistake, who knows 🤷‍♂️. No complaints here though 😀

I don't believe you need to have a digital copy of the game. I have the physical version and received my code last night

It seems like everyone wants to be a Switch but won't actually make one 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

I like it a lot. Gave it 8/10. Personally I prefer the slower pace compared to Eternal. I know it's not to everyone's taste but I like it.

I would like it if when I highlight a game on the home screen it doesn't cover the background with an image of the game that's highlighted. They give us the ability to use customer backgrounds but rarely ever get to see the backgrounds because more often than not you've got a game highlighted and they just take over the screen

Sounds good until you realise the only reason this is possible is because of the absolutely massive amounts of PS5 consoles sold compared to Xbox. If Xbox weren't selling their games on PS5 they'd barely have any software sales. This isn't a comment from PlayStation fanboy point of view either, I have PS5 and Series X, but "dominating" is a rather strong way to put it when you put it into context.

So what if we own the physical version of ultimate do we get the free upgrade?

Or maybe this is Xbox pricing people out of buying games and going to game pass instead. Its certainly a risk worth taking at this point for Xbox, they have nothing to lose.

Also the price of EVERYTHING else is going up why should your hobby be any different. You aren't special.

Nobody should want it. Having no exclusives reduces the need for multiple consoles, in turn meaning we only need one console maker which then due to lack competition will stifle the creative process. I mean why make a console as good as you can when you have no competition to beat. Competition drives creation. This approach of Microsoft is good for them because it's a shortcut to making money because they failed with their consoles so instead of trying to build a better product they just go mutli-platform to tap into a revenu stream they wouldn't have without this new approach. It's lazy and a money grabbing exercise from Microsoft. It's good for gamers in the short term, but long term it will lead to disaster for gamers.

That's all well and good but at least there's actual games to play on the PS5. I bought my Series X last April and I've only bought 3 games since then. No point bragging about a consoles capabilities if there's no software to take advantage of those capabilities 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

I'm disappointed the PGR games never made the jump, but oh well, we can't have everything in life 🤷‍♂️

I'm guessing the gamers that shower their OWN PERSONAL collection were yanks with that typical "world revolves around us" attitude. There is next to no demand for it because at the moment there is next to no demand for Xbox worldwide. I love my Series X when it's time to waste time on Halo or Forza, but for everything else Switch and PS5 are the go to consols for most people now.

Instead of jumping on the developers, fans should jump on Microsoft for their abysmal handling of Xbox since the 360. They let that massive success go to their heads (let's face it, 360 was the absolute boss of that gen)and they massively dropped the ball with Xbox One and haven't recovered since.

@Medic_alert unfortunately MS don't actually care about gamers feelings. They're not in this business to massage your emotions. They're here to make money and the best way they can do that is by releasing games on different platforms. You may not like it but their consoles have become the same just with better graphics every generation
There is 0 innovation or imagination at Xbox these days. They don't do anything different. They just give us a newly designed big black box and leave us to it. Their 1st party IP's are far behind those of PlayStation in terms of quality that it's surprising they even bother these days.

So as I say, they don't care about your feelings, and losing a few gamers like you over your emotions isn't going to bother them when porting their games to Playstation and Switch opens them up to at least 200 million extra gamers 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

@Vordus sea of thieves did pretty decent numbers and you can guarantee Indiana Jones will. The only people reacting negatively to this are butt-hurt xbox fanboys. If MS listen to those people, then Xbox will fail completely in a couple years.

@Medic_alert the problem with that approach is that the long game is already too long for MS. Their console designs are not imaginative enough and never offer anything new other than improved graphics and load times. Manufactures more often than not sell their consoles at a loss and make up for it with software sales. They aren't shifting console so they won't be shifting software in the numbers they need to. Going multi platform makes complete and utter sense, even, and especially, if they want to remain in the console market too. The sales from software wont bring enough money for them to continue making consoles to make financial sense.

From a financial and business point of view I can't see MS shelving their plans for multi-plat releases. Xbox fanboy reactions will alway be based on their over-sensitive feeling than anything based in reality. MS are in the gaming market not for the feelings of gamers, but to make money. There is a massive difference between the number of PS5 owners and the number of Xbox owners. Releasing their games on PS5 will make them money than just releasing on Xbox and PC. Gamers that don't understand this are blinded by feelings. If you want to continue playing Xbox IP's you better get used to them releasing on PS5 because with Xbox console sales so low MS won't continue to invest in games much longer without a financial incentive.

They would be stupid not to. A $60billion takeover of Activision followed by multiple rounds of "we can't afford you anymore" is not a good look for a company.

So it's instead of gamers getting good like we used to have to do in hard sections of games developers now just make it easier??? Absolutely pathetic. If you can't do it, don't play, it really is simple.

It's ridiculous a racing game needs to be online only.

I'm sorry, you've done PS5 a disservice here. Completely missing out games like Spiderman 2 and Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart just seems like you've ignored them on purpose because it proves the point you're trying to avoid. Also, while The Last of Us Part 1 is last gen, the remake isn't. It was built for the PS5 and doesn't even have a PS4 release. I'm not a PS5 fanboy (before anybody even thinks that, I have that and a Series X) but looking at the performance of something like Starfield even with the 60FPS mode, it's shocking compared to what you're we're getting with Spiderman 2 on PS5. This is an issue Xbox need to solve and I think that needs to start with getting rid of the Series S requirement, it's obviously affecting development as it's even been mentioned by multiple devs. Developing games for Series X that need to run on Series S was a good idea to begin with, but as the devs tap into to obvious power the Series X has it's going to make fitting them on the Series S too even more difficult.

@BacklogBrad they may have survived on the back of Forza, Halo and Gears for 15+ years but the most recent entries in all 3 of those IP's are nowhere near the standard of the games that propelled them to the top. Xbox are losing ground everywhere to PlayStation and throwing money at the problem, e.g. buying Activitision, is not going to solve it and I think the backlash from people thinking CoD would stop being multiplatform showed them that having exclusivity on games wont help them in the long run either. So yes, while they have been propped up by Forza, Halo and Gears, that is no longer the case and they can't depend on that anymore

Moves like this makes perfect sense. The install base of PlayStation is massive compared to that of Xbox and it's growing. Microsoft have realised this and realised they can't change it now. They have games PlayStation owners want and they know PlayStation owners wont buy an Xbox for a small of exclusive games. Releasing multiplatform going forward means they can probably double, triple or even quadruple software sales by tapping into the Playstation market. It could spark the beginning of the end of Xbox as a console manufacturer (that would be bad for the industry) but they're profit will certainly get a massive boost as a game publisher instead. Xbox only players may not like this, but they need to remember regardless of any messages saying gamers are important to Microsoft, their sole aim is to make profit and you can guarantee they will do whatever is necessary to make that profit regardless of your feelings.

I had it on physical on the Xbox one, but sold it when I got PS5 in 2022. I bought Series X back in May and got the ultimate edition a couple of weeks after they messaged me saying I could buy it for £8.50 because I'd previously bought DLC for it. They did the same with Forza 7

And the FTC didn't see this coming when they allowed the merger to proceed?? Even a blind man could see it was coming. No good complaining about it after you had a hand in allowing it to happen. Whatever lies Xbox told in their appeals, gamers knew it was all B.S, but as usual money talks.

Still happy they bought Activision simply to own CoD???? One of the worst decisions for gamers ever 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Forget Blur, I'd like PGR 3. I know it's never going to happen, but I can dream.

@Tecinthehead and you haven't realised that that is the final aim yet???? Xbox simply can't compete with PlayStation on hardware sales and they've finally realised it, what better way to make money. The PS5 install base is more than double that of Xbox it makes absolute perfect sense for them to do this.

As an owner past and present of all PlayStation and Xbox consoles I'm certainly not a fanboy to either side, but Phil is wrong here and quite hypocritical. While Sony have employed certain tactics using money to get timed exclusivity here and there, you know what I find a more slimy tactic: paying $60 billion dollars to buy IP's because the teams you already have, have let their IP's stagnate and you can't really come up with any new fresh ideas that can sell your consoles. Maybe it's just me but buying success rather than making it yourself and then being critical of others for splashing the cash is just a tad childish and pathetic really.

Phil Spencer: we wont do slimy platform things

Also Phil Spencer: let's buy up the best developers so they make our platform better.

I hate hypocrisy.

I started way back in 2004 with the OG Xbox simply because of Halo. I had PS2 at the time and was (to my own grown up disappointment) a fanboy. That was until a friend nagged and nagged and nagged me to go and play Halo after school. i did and I've had every Xbox and PlayStation released since. Can't choose between them as there are exclusives games on both consoles I love to play.

Just another way for them to make from consumers. By ensuring you need licensed products they ensure they always get a slice of your money. Pathetic.

So he's going to continue to force developers to develop an inferior version of their product just to boost MS profits? Yeah because that's a brilliant way to get developers to work with you.

I'd rather have a broader choice of new games that are not being hampered by development teams having to also make an inferior version of their new game than to be able to go back to games I've played, but hey that's just me

In my opinion it is. Everything about it just worked. The graphics, the story, the gameplay, the multiplayer everything. 343 just haven't been able to match what Bungie did with the Halo 3. To be honest, even Bungies own Reach couldn't match 3

@Jaxx420 but can you imagine how good that initial console would be though lol? They could cancel out the shortcomings of each other and build a beast of a machine

@Royalblues i only ignored the Insomniac games because in all honesty I forgot about them. I'm against both sides of this current publisher buying battle. All it does is stop people having a choice. I think PlayStation and Xbox need to get together and just make a joint console

This from the same company buying one of the biggest publishers and already owns Bethesda. PlayStation as re guilty of this too. Just stop making exclusives if you want to break down barriers between consoles

I don't condone the abuse he received at all but isn't it ironic that he says play what you want where you want when the company he works for has just done a deal to buy Activision and also Bethesda and others meaning we can't play what we want where want. I know Sony do the same the thing as well so if the gaming companies are going to make gamers choose where they play the games then you'll get alway gets idiots maling rivalries