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Surely.. just surely everyone who has signed up to put their game on the service knows of the consequences.. I mean, for consumers gamepass is fantastic value, no one can deny that. but if you are a dev, you know you'll be losing sales. (But MS paid you a lump sum) so I suppose it just depends on if the game you have made will make a good chunk of profit, or the MS payment will cover the projected sales. Either way you'll lose money as you can never be spot on. That's the risk you would take.

Honestly, we all know it's never inventive games that win, and very rarely games that are only on one system. But.. if I have to put money on any game taking it this year (and it isn't our yet) and that is Zelda. Games like Spiderman will never win, neither with Hi-Fi or Hogwarts. Starfield might stand a good chance (if it delivers) but I still think Zelda will take the gong.

Mid score, Forza looks dope. Really slick. Everything else looks dull. Id bet this will be Arkanes worst rated game. As it currently stands, nothing stands out that makes me want to upgrade.

@Immovablegamer6669 but call of duty wouldn't be exclusive as Microsoft has stated that.. they are asking about FF being exclusive, but as far as we know the remake exclusive period has ended. There are zero facts to support that FF has been paid out to not be on Xbox, or all square games for that fact. All we know is that they are year exclusive deals. Anything after that, it's entirely up to square on how they/where they publish their games.

@InterceptorAlpha exactly! Haha, no I wasnt quite saying it in that way tbh. I never actually said I was an idiot, but everyone needs to have life lessons, learning from those mistakes. But my point was contradiction.

Such a weak argument. Microsoft are sounding like absolute babies at the moment. Gears of war, Horizon, Dead Rising, Ryse. Some games that have been made by other Devs but published by Xbox. (Microsoft paid for the rights) you cannot criticise other companies on something you have done in the past yourself. It's like telling my 18 year old son not to drink alcohol when I was a wreck at 18.. haha

Microsoft are no better than Sony where this matters, moaning about exclusive rights, but noting that they want games to be inclusive so everyone can play them, but then noting that single player games and smaller focused games are not inclusive to everyone but exclusive to Xbox. The more and more this story opens up, the more they are releasing colliding statements of intent. Christ... I know what. Let's cut this crap from both sides of the pond and ban any outright sale purchases unless deemed necessary (i.e saving a company from folding)

@CutchuSlow 8&9 are fantastic! I'd definitely recommend going back if you can! Specially 9, such a classic underrated game.

SE have always been the partner in crime for Sony since the Nintendo split, clearly tested the water with Microsoft but I suppose we never know what happens behind closed doors. Only recently have they started to work with Nintendo again. Situations are fickle and I suppose we will never know.

Great game this! Highly recommended

I can remember the days when there was so many exclusives from the green team! Buying existing Devs isn't unusual for any company.. Sony has done it, MS has! (Rare for example) the main issue here, which has been mentioned, is that past Microsoft has ruined those developers or created such a bad reputation with them that they disbanded or moved on and went independent. I understand business requires closures some times, but they had so many great games in the past, the original Xbox was incredible for in house developed games. One of the reasons I was sold into the ecosystem. If they still had those established Devs now, they would be releasing good quality games. While I love gamepass, unfortunately it has been a huge burden on development.

I don't think ratings are a massive deal, as some people would have played some of these and thought they were good, and vice versa!

Christ this story is so boring now.. haha! I doubt Sony would want to take this up still, as it doesn't resolve their issues surrounding profit. Why do you think that their own exclusives arent on PS Plus until a few years down the line. It will still go through of course, but I don't think Sony will accept any of the deals, unless they are told that it won't go on gamepass. That's what they truly want.

Hopefully this is a decent year for Xbox, I suppose all we can do is hope that they release a reasonable amount of games. Which is hindsight is a possibility. 3 games for sure, it's just when they are released. This year on PS, we have basically seen 4 major exclusives (one a remake) so if MS can aim for 4 spread throughout the year and some filler games, then I'm sure that's a good aim.

Exactly the reason why I still haven't invested in a series X, I'm continually on the fence. I have the money ready, but until a see some kind of line up for 2023 there isn't any need to upgrade my one x. From the original Xbox to 360, those days were fantastic and I don't regret investing my money into those systems. Even the one I took a gamble and invested, but it's just been downhill.

@Dezzy70 couldn't agree more. If the games are incredible quality, then the price has never bothered me. Tbh, you'll always find them a little lower in cost anyway, I've bought multiple PS games and I haven't paid the full whack! My only concern is the gamepass route, most people really don't pay for the disk version due to having gamepass, so will that be their excuse if it's only A or AA.

Yeah it will go through for sure, always destined to be a done deal. However, that doesn't mean i don't have any concerns. I'm not a huge cod fan, but with MS track record, they do tend to ruin franchises. I can't name one they have bought out that has actually succeeded.

At the end of the day, this benefits Microsoft. So Sony are not going to want to make it easy. It's not about consumers, it's about profit. And it always has been. It's a business at the end of the day (built by consumers) so no COD, means no profit, COD on gamepass means less profit. That's the reason. I understand their reasoning for sure, but the reality is, this will most likely happen and PS needs a plan of action to help reduce the lack of profit, as they will be losing a ton of money, the same applies to Microsoft. Anyone thinking that they are doing this from the godness of their hearts is insane, it's about profit - this going on gamepass would boost subscribers and increase money flow. We can all be against each side, the fact is we are all in the same boat, using either console encourages us to spend our cash on their services and games. Both want our money and doing these sort of acquisitions controls us in buying into their ecosystems.

Clever. Sony don't have a leg to stand on, as people have stated. Bring it to a system that doesn't have it, that's a huge consumer act.

@grumpypotato the only issues that might arise is the difference in graphics. Like anything.. if I had two graphics and one was cartoon and one was ultra realistic, what would render first? The cartoon version. Less pixels and detail. That's the same when it comes to FPS, how many pixels render on screen. So just because they have done this for Fortnite. It doesn't mean it would be achievable on a game that really works the system graphically.

To note for everyone, play this with a headset, the 3D audio makes such a difference.

I think if your in the market to play call of duty or FIFA and don't care a for a disk drive, it's a perfect little machine. For me, I'd rather save the cash and wait and get an X. It's each to their own, but I'd rather the powerhouse.

Haven't attempted a NFS for many many years, but if they are saying it's like a midnight club mix, them I'm sure I'd be down. Definitely will be giving this a try come the new year.

Everyone will be moaning in 10 years when game devs make lesser games as it doesn't make them any money. As much as I think gamepass is great and very good value, I do genuinely believe over time we will be seeing a huge reduction in quality, really we have already seen it to a degree, especially as it's one sided, eventually those games won't be selling on playstation very well as you'll just invest in an Xbox of some sort.

@Sol4ris very different in terms of general appeal. Cod is a multi million £ seller, as where destiny is a pile of dog that no one really cares about.. haha

Blessing in disguise.

@awp69 while correct. Critically acclaimed doesn't make them 'good games' for each individual. Personally those you listed I don't like, so for me I don't see them as selling points. We all like different games.

@awp69 you do realise that's people are allowed opinions? It's great you have got your value from gamepass, but it doesn't mean everyone else will have the same thought.

@J_Mo_Money not many companies would let that swing. Oh well.. better for me if that's the case.

Yeah I snapped this up! Saw it early on. Time will tell wether they actually honour it though.

61p for the horizon bundle through the Swedish store. Grab it while you can!

I've said it multiple times, but the series s is last gen. Can't even compete with a last gen console. It's great value for those who do not care about 4K, but at the same time it's just holding this gen back.

@Clankylad good backlog, I'd definitely recommend both GOW games though. Great games to play.

I haven't been able to get into the later battlefield games, 1 was probably the last one I thought was good, still nothing compared to the bad company days and even further back at Battlefield 2 modern combat. Now that was a banging game.

@Nalverus yeah seems to be the issue with some releases. Shame really.

Tbh his always done this, I'm sure his intentions are true, and kudos to him if so, appreciation of the craft. It's not about Sony, it's about appreciating talented work. And GOW is very much that.

@Nalverus very true, but a game isn't built for next gen based on 1080p/60. The problem is with all systems not just the series S, but they should be ready to push the boundaries, which is possible. The series x and ps5 already struggle with hitting the specs they need, wether we like it or not, the series S is more akin to a "meet in the middle" spec. Its very close to the one x.

The S is just holding back Xbox games. I understand their logic in having the system there, but it's playing a detrimental effect on games in general. The best thing they can do, is just mark it down as last gen. Release games on there as games for the Xbox one, and move on.

I played Wake for 10mins and just realised how old it was. No glow up would change that. They just need to focus on Wake 2 now, which I think could be a big seller

@armondo36 literally the beauty of gaming. I used to be the other way around, as where as I've got older I like more story driven games. So Sony games are more for me, but being a gamer is just appreciating everything these developers create. All talented in making these games for each type of gamer.

Honestly wouldn't bank on it making its way over. However people feel about it, it honestly doesn't surprise me. Sony have been in bed with Final Fantasy since the original 7 moved over, it's kinda become like an always exclusive anyway.

More than likely better optimization. We know the PS5 does it better in general, not sure about the case for the PS4 though.

Easily my favourite racing series. PGR2 hooked me into the franchise and was my go to racer. Such a shame! Hopefully Microsoft reinvent the series as in all honesty, racing games in general are very similar!

I'm guessing this was in the deal for the rights. I'm sure I'm right in thinking it was Nintendo's IP, so they technically had the cards, however Rare made the game. Hence why it was always a little limbo with any new versions.

Completely overrated game. I think out of all Arkhane games, this is definitely the worst. Dishonored and Prey are much much better. But like anything it's all personal choice and some people like a loop game, the gameplay was similar don't get me wrong, but it just felt a little lacking for me.

Couldnt agree more.. PGR is such a great racer game, such fond memories.

@dsar9012 couldn't agree more, unfortunately my Xbox has gathered so much dust recently and it's sad to see, I was Xbox through and through since the original, but as it stands I just don't have enough reason to boot it up or upgrade it to the series X, I'm sure the time will come, but when that will be who knows.

@Sol4ris buying Bethesda isn't comparable? Not sticking up for Sony, but that is money hatting right there. Neither company is the golden boy here.

@Lavalera that's exactly what it is, most of the story beats are exactly the same, but things to get changed up in certain segments. Notibly the last chapter. OG is amazing and the remake is also very good.

@palahniukslaughter and sea of thieves!