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@Coletrain

Well I'm not here to win anything, but yes I was somewhat baffled by what he thought he'd "won".

Was this imaginary competition to present the least convincing argument then scarper ? Well in that case then I guess he did "win"! 😂

GTA 6 is certainly bringing out some all round bizarreness.

I read an article today which talked about how YouTubers and the like are currently bandying around false narratives around the online ID check for GTA 6.
Contrary to what these cretins are stating the mandatory age verification is not only not a Rockstar requirement it's down to age verification laws in certain parts of the world, (such as the UK's Online Safety Act), and is only a requirement for the online portion of the game.
Even when presented with the facts these social media types doubled down.
Just shows you can't trust a great deal of what comes out of the internet. These people will literally lie to generate clicks.

Sadly it's quite typical of the online gaming community to want to desperately see something popular fail.

They're wasting their time, though. The only way they'll stop this monster is for the internet to completely shut down indefinitely the world over.

@Quaali

What are you waffling on about? Exposed what exactly? 😂

I see you didn't answer the question in how you're being fooled, conned, or whatever evil you think is being thrust upon you, though. Can't say I'm surprised.

@clvr

You think it's gross, I don't. Rockstar aren't getting away with anything. This is how the game is being distributed and that's that. Again, no one has a gun to their head. You don't have to buy it, or any game for that matter. The choice is yours.

@Quaali

Movies and music come under different legislation than digital content for games. Games can be delisted due to licencing agreements, but they will remain in the end users library as long as they continue to use the connecting account.

Music and film is different which is why I only invest in physical media concerning these two mediums. Plus with music CD and vinyl sound 100 times better and Blu-ray has vastly superior picture quality than so called "4k" found on Netflix and co.

@Quaali

You know how these games are distributed, it's not a state secret and no one is putting a gun to your head. How you being played for a fool?

Not sure how you choosing to miss out makes you a winner though. All it means is in time you won't be playing any new games. I wouldn't call that a flex by any stretch of the imagination. 🤷

@themightyant

I also think people are exaggerating the importance of the additional content

Indeed they are. I had a nose on Push Square out of curiosity and they've dedicated an entire article to whining about it. Modern gamers only seem happy if they've something to whine about.

@clvr

It's not a scam. No one is being forced to buy anything. If you're not happy with the distribution method then don't buy it.

I'll be buying the standard edition day one and I've absolutely no doubt in my mind I'll more than get my money's worth.

Millions of gamers like GTA and those same people are looking forward to GTA 6. Just because you post on a gaming site doesn't make you better than them.
That being said, and truth be told, no one will care one iota what a minority of "gamers" on a website think when they're enjoying GTA 6.

@BenIsJammin138

Also for people moaning about the price, why? If you're a GTA fan then you'll get your money's worth times ten. It's not like this is going to be a 5 hour COD campaign. It's a game people will be playing for weeks if not months and that's just the single player

Absolutely.

@Titntin

Crimson Desert is next on my list. Watched some impressive YouTube videos with players looking like they were straight out of Mortal Kombat. Not just visually, but with some seriously impressive unarmed combat. Was doubly impressed that none of it was mods.

@Quaali

How do you figure?

@IronCrow86

It's the equivalent of proudly announcing to a room full of people that you've never watched Star Wars.

GTA 6 is all set to be one of the biggest video game releases of all time. You'll always get those ready to tell the room "they've no interest in it".

Attention seeking, basically. "Look at me! Everybody please look at me! I'm a edge-lord who needs attention!"

Funny part? I suspect most will quietly be buying GTA 6, while maintaining they've zero interest in the game.

@Quaali

Your loss, especially come the next generation where physical games media for consoles will be even less of afterthought than it is now.

As someone who was there the moment PC games on a disc died out I guarantee you'll not be playing any new releases come the end of the next generation of consoles, if not sooner.

@Quaali

While as a collector of physical music and film and can appreciate the sentiment I feel that you're cutting off your nose to spite your face. The games industry's aggressive drive toward an all-digital environment means missing out on a huge percentage of great games now and many more to come if you only opt for the physical route.

Again I appreciate the sentiment, but is it really worth it missing out? Life is too short.

Standard Edition. That's all I require.

@Gabrie

I built a PC a little over a year ago with an RTX 5070 Ti, and the difference in performance and graphics compared to any console is HUGE.

Few truly appreciate the huge leap a good rig offers and more often than not because they've not experienced it.

It's a good feature, no question, but currently there's an awful lot guff supported than quality. I've several games on my PC that deserve the Play Anywhere treatment.

Some of the choices are odd as well. For example, RE2 Remake is supported, whereas RE3 Remake is not. 🤷

It hasn't changed my game buying, but it's a welcome feature.

@clvr

I'm curious, how are people being taken advantage of?

Being semi-retired gives me a lot of time for gaming, which is great.

Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 - A truly remarkable RPG and a huge improvement on the first outing, which I also enjoyed. In the RPG stakes this will take some beating.

Atomfall - I've been pleasantly surprised by this. While it doesn't do anything particularly new or groundbreaking it remains a charming, undemanding ARPG that, even as Englishman myself, captures the Britishness of post WWII wonderfully.

Boltgun - This stylish, pixel-art shooter is an absolute riot. As a fan of retro gaming I do enjoy modern games that adopt old school gameplay and visuals and Boltgun is up there with some of the best.

Forspoken - Every now and then I like taking a chance on a game that generally wasn't received all that well and more often than not I usually find myself pleasantly surprised. Forspoken is one such game. Granted the opening hour had me concerned as it's quite a dreary slog with a story that holds little interest, but once you're let off the leash and into the open world it's actually a lot of fun. Combat and movement has a real kinetic feel to it and as Frey's powers increase so does the enjoyment. Yes, I like it.

Evil West - Think I'm around 3/4 way through this fun and wonderfully violent 3rd person action game. Reminds of something between Nightmare Creatures and Darksiders.

Also bought a few games for the back catalogue. South of Midnight, Oakwood, Pacific Drive, and You Must

Pre-owned last year. £350 1TB.

A lot of bread for one game. 😂

(Not including those on my PC that are Play Anywhere. I suspect I'll pick up one two other titles for it, maybe a few classics from OG Xbox and the 360)

@Tasuki

I don't think so. In 1984 the games industry didn't have its whales, now it does.

@Tasuki

There are far less expensive hobbies out there

Warhammer now looks comparatively cheap next to video gaming. 😂

@Dart-TheRedDragoon

Agreed. Steam requires that you have at least played a game before being allowed to review it, however I feel the time allowed should be higher. Still, better than nothing.

On a somewhat related note GTA 6 has sold 50 million pre-orders so far. Generating an estimated $4+ billion in revenue before launch.

The initial batch of boxed copies with a digital code sold out at major retailers like Amazon within one hour.

This is all set to be the biggest gaming success in the history of the industry.

@Weebleman

Agreed. If I didn't have the PC and the Play Anywhere option wasn't a thing for some of my other games I would have opted for a PS5 Pro rather than a Series X for GTA 6.

Until GTA 6 is released on PC there's no question Pro will be the best place to play it.

There was a time when consoles were the affordable way for all to enjoy current gen gaming....

No longer.

@Weebleman

Ah, a true classic.

You and I are going to get along just fine. 🙂

While it's great to see classics get a new lease of life these prices are ludicrous.

Glad I have the knowhow to build my own retro gaming system, (not the barely workable junk you see on the likes of Facebook), filled to the brim with classics spanning back some 50 years.

@Weebleman

I'm assuming you're closer to my age given your reply. It is indeed disappointing what gamers argue over these days, things that they have absolutely zero control over.

I actually prefer those times when someone would throw "PCMR!" etc at me because I blew a load, perhaps even unnecessarily, on a new GPU as opposed to the financials of any given player in the games industry.

@Weebleman

In my 40+ years of gaming, and certainly since the rise of the internet, one thing is assured - console gamers race to the bottom...

I am honestly beginning to believe that the actual joy of gaming has very much taken a back seat to "winning" to these people.

Still think Helix will be under £1000?

Think again.

£1200 at the very least.

@Wilshiire

and it has access to other storefronts

Not officially confirmed. PC games could just mean Windows Store, not Steam and/or Epic

@TDHorizon

Yet still people will complain.

@Martsmall

At least that would be refreshing...😂

@Arkz @Arkz

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I've just never experienced it myself.

@Fiendish-Beaver

I have a feeling that we were told Perfect Dark and Everwild looked great before they were then cancelled

I think us gamers have earned the right to be skeptical. 😃

@MinervaX76

Yes the debate on both sides is moronic. I'm happy to have politics in my games, but it shouldn't dictate development.
As I say, look what happened to Saints Row. I finished the campaign, but was totally underwhelmed. They'd ripped the very heart out of it.

Volition's attempt to appease a vocal minority on Twitter saw the studio shut down due to Saints Row's disastrous turn out.

@kmtrain83

I paid $1000 for a gaming PC with 32GB RAM 2TB SSD and NVIDIA 4060 GPU three years ago

That would cost a lot more now and therein lies the problem. Costs have doubled since then.

My bet is between £1200-1500 for Helix, with subsidiaries, at the very least.

@Markatron84

Cyberpunk was a new IP. Granted from a veteran developer, but a new IP nonetheless. However, Cyberpunk's biggest issue was trying to shoehorn it onto the gen 8 platforms.
I've had it on PC since launch and it was, for the most part, fine. Now it's a phenomenal piece of work.

@Quaali

this is what I never understand about purely digital people. Why do you want physical to go away

While there are some who might feel that way I don't believe it's the majority of thinking. Sometimes you just have to accept the reality of the situation. At the end of the day the industry are the gatekeepers and they hold all the keys. The only way to force change is to act and in this case gamers choosing not to buy any more games is the only way, and we both know that isn't going to happen.

@M20B25

"Anything you own digital is worthless"

From a trade-in perspective yes, but other than that no.

I just wish Steam and co would allow digital ownership as it is with GoG. Offline installers, no launch platform required, the ability to transfer one's game to a disc etc.

@themightyant

Early 2027" is going to be stacked too

Indeed. A lot of those games are going to struggle to make a mark as a result no doubt. GTA 6 has very much thrown a cat amongst the pigeons.

@The_Rankmeister

GTA 6 will be the biggest flop in gaming history

Quite the hyperbolic statement. 😂

As much as you clearly want that to be the case no, no it won't. Quite the opposite in fact.

For all the belly-aching about price, codes in a box etc, GTA 6 will undoubtedly go on to be one of the biggest selling video games of all time. There is absolutely no question of it.

@ZeD

I picked up a mint condition Nightmare on Elm Street 7 disc box set for £3 in one of our charity shops. Bargain!

@Lup

there's a lot of people already defending the price

What's to defend? It's £10 more than any new AAA console game, but unlike a lot of £70 games it will undoubtedly see a return on that investment.
Also GTA 6 reportedly has cost $1billion to develop, they could charge a lot more if they really wanted to.
With the cost of development continuing to rise
the days of £50 or less for new AAA releases are long behind us. What were you expecting it to cost, £40 or something?

@ZeD

The entertainment industry has been after the pre-owned market for years - and they're winning.

I nip into my local CEX to pick up DVD/Blu-ray movies and even that is on the decline as streaming channels take over. The games section is shrinking even more daily.

I actually have better luck in charity shops for movies.

Soon you won't even have a box.

I collect physical movies and music, but as a PC gamer I resigned myself to the digital world of games two decades ago. I'm not surprised console gaming is going the same way. It was inevitable.

@The_Rankmeister

So you weren't intending on buying it the first place. It being £80 is of no consequence to you so why complain about the price? 🤷

@ZeD

I've never pre-ordered a game myself, but I can appreciate that for tried and tested franchises it's not quite as big a risk as dropping down a pre-order for a new IP.

@The_Rankmeister

Why not? I'm pretty confident a game like GTA 6 will deliver far more than £80 worth of entertainment.

@ZeD

What amazes me the most about GTA6 is we have seen no gameplay but it will break pre order records overnight!

I think people know what to expect gameplay wise, albeit with a few tweaks. It'll look great and be a lot of fun no doubt. I just hope they haven't pulled back on the comedy in a bid to appease those "modern audiences" who have no intention of buying the game. Just look what happened to Saints Row - disaster.

Expected. Not pre-ordering, but a day one digital purchase for me.