I was interested in this until the PvP thing came up. I thought it was just PvE. I get that people like other humans to engage with but my experience has been that it can be entirely unbalanced. One of the reasons I stay the ***** away from GTA online is the amount of pay-to-win cunce ruining your day.
@Gabrie remember that MS will have done some market research on this. By upping their price by 50%, they have to assume that X amount of users will unsubscribe, but have assume that as long as X equals less than the amount of users needed to maintain their profit, they won't lose any profit at all.
The easiest way to test this is for one third of us to cancel our subscription. The Ubisoft+ stuff is sure to cost them a bucket and they'll take a financial hit. They don't care about breaking even. They want higher and higher profits. Don't give it to them. Save your money and buy a game rather than trying them out through game pass. What new games are going to be coming out soon anyways?
@Jenkinss there's a marked difference between disagreeing with someone's opinion and actively saying that elements of a game that allow gamers to feel more inclusive and included are unwelcome.
It's akin to saying that you don't like baseball vs. saying that minorities should not play baseball. One is an opinion. The other is bigoted.
@Sindayl what's funny is that I'd not heard much about it other than it was mediocre until a friend came to stay and revealed to me what you had said. I'd no idea that there was an anti-woke brigade against the game at all, and still don't understand the reasoning behind it (maybe because I don't feel that non-heteronormative pronouns or gender are massive deals at all, but some cis men clearly do).
This is a long walk to say that, based on what I have seen, the game was fine and would have been seen as fine but some loudmouth bigots screech into the ether and put a stink on an otherwise okay game.
It's weird that most of the reviews use the the word, "sure," before criticising the game. There are other ways to do that but they all choose that one.
I like it. It's a different style and rhythm to the Soulslikes that I've played and it suffers from that which a lot of these games suffer from in that there is a copy/paste element to a lot of the mechanics where they are functionally the same but use different phrases and words to describe them, meaning that you need to determine what are the souls/bonfires/estus etc before you can actively engage with it.
Enjoying it. Very pretty. Hard and decent new ideas. Don't think it's my favourite but it'll do.
@Kaloudz Rare haven't been the same since the late 90s. Their games were fun and chock full of things to do but suffered from just a lack of shine. None of their stuff since then has been good. You can blame MS, but go back to the original games and find that they are mediocre. They have a special place in my heart and we're amazing for the time but haven't really held up.
@TheCityPop I dig what you're saying but have you read the reviews on Xbox? Half of them are meme reviews and the remaining ones are homophobic, transphobic, racist or genuine technical complaints. Only a few are legit and Xbox isn't great about filtering out the nonsense ones.
The cheek of them. I get that it was going to happen, but the Outer Worlds 2?! Sure the first one was guff. How do they justify selling a sequel to a subpar game at that price?
@Kaloudz I actually did enjoy the exploration, which is my favourite part of any soulslike game. Up until Elden Ring, I hated the bosses in these games because it basically gatekept me from the rest of it due to their linear nature. I might give it another shot.
@Ricky-Spanish that's the reason I'll never play it. There were some weird things about the launch too. I think it was very pro-Russia, pro-KGB nonsense. And the game is crap too.
@jikflet you're not. I've done that a lot and ended up either selling the physical or keeping both for collection's sake. Some of these games are so cheap that you wonder if it's not like Halo 2 where everyone has a copy and more exist than Xboxes. I think buying a game that's on GP and owned by MS is crazy but that's just me.
@Brigurugi he actually wasn't going to be in the game due to his personal issues but, allegedly, Tony Hawk ponied up the cash to have him in. It had less to do with Bam wanting to take part and more to do with how they could spin having a raving lunatic like him in the game.
@LogicStrikesAgain Demon Souls was not remade from the ground up. It is identical in all ways (even the bad ones). You could play it alongside the original and not find any changes.
@OldGamer999 a lot of folk like long games, sometimes not even long, engaging games. I don't really mind filler as long as it's fun. I liked AC Odyssey because it gave me that dopamine hit constantly but hated AC Valhalla because, despite the fact that there was so much to do, a lot of it was carbon copy sit-and-wait-for-AI-to-walk-to-you *****. Both had similar playtimes for me and but I'd rather spend 200 hours doing something I like than something dull.
That said, people see playtime's and think that's going to be 50-60 hours of pure fun, and a lot of the time it's menus.
@Vordus I didn't realise that. Maybe I was more invested in Harvest Moon.
Yeah, I love Factorio something shocking so Little Rocket Lad sounds like something I'd like but I have a feeling it's far more simplistic and might feel like a step back for me. But it's on Game Pass so why the hell shouldn't I give it a shot?
@jesse_dylan well, "cosy" is just another way of saying that there is little penalty for failure, which is what a lot of of causal gamers like and these type of games have a broad audience and are easily made. None of them do anything new, they just mix and match things here and there. Start off small, punch trees or ore nodes to get resources, make x of y item for z person, rinse and repeat as you unlock item y1 and y2 and engage in simple tasks until there are no more tasks left. Helps it there are multiple currencies or resources to juggle as it adds a false layer of complexity.
There's nothing wrong with these games and people love them but they're not going to set my world aflame and are easily forgotten. The only reason Stardew Valley and Minecraft are still around is because they were the first to use this gameplay loop.
@Foxx_64740 It was a real down point in an otherwise wonderful game. I dislike the grind in any game when it is necessary to complete the game. I don't mind it for optional bits, but this was to complete the game. Very disappointing, and I hope they fixed it in the sequel. Every other Yakuza/LAD game hasn't had a grind, or it's been barely noticable.
@AdolBannings-Laylee I'm the same. It had been sitting on my to play list for ages. I was gonna get through LAD (the end game grind is real and devastating) before going into Gaiden and Ishiin. Devastated.
@HeavyHoggJP you got your red balls and your coloured balls. Red balls are put in a standard triangle and worth 1 point and there are 15 of them. The coloured balls are placed on specific points on the table and are worth more - yellow is 2, green is 3 etc in the order of yellow, green, brown, blue, pink, black, which is worth 7 points. You can't pot a coloured ball until you pot a red ball first, and if the balls are potted out of order (other than red), they are put back on the table. So if you pot a red and then a green while the yellow is still in play, the green is put back on the table where it started. So if you're damn good, you can pot a red, black, red, black and so on until all reds are gone and then you pot them in order (yellow, green, brown etc) until the table is clear for a maximum of 147 points.
Of course, that never happens. Other rules are shared with pool like foul balls for potting the white, which gives the opponent a "free ball". Fouls give points to the other player, so you don't lose points, your opponent accumulates them. Games are played in "frames" (a single game), which are odd numbers (such as best of 3 or best of 9) and you must win more than your opponent to win the match.
@HeavyHoggJP pool isn't snooker. They're both played on a table with cues and balls but they're different, just how poker and solitaire (or Klondike, if you prefer) are both played with cards but are different games.
@Arcticpandapopz I'm sorry, friend, it's always worked for me. That disc must be scratched up horribly. I know if I put one in the Xbox One that is backwards compatible, it downloads a version rather than copying from the disc. Maybe that's where I got my idea from.
@Arcticpandapopz I know that feel. I don't know if this has been offered before, but if you install the game onto the HD from disc, it helps with scratched discs.
I will admit that I've played manys a game long after I would have otherwise put it down in order to get an achievement or two, but I'm proud of that time spent! Plus, some great stories about them and allow me to engage with a game differently. It's a shame they've been whored at times but sure this is life.
@Adol-Bannings I couldn't get into it. I tried a bunch of Shin Megami Tensai games plus a few Personas and the balance of battle to life SIM was too off for me. If I'm going to dedicate dozens of hours of my life to a game, it better be one where I enjoy it.
@Dan1283 they've been on for ages now, far longer than Game Pass games usually stay on the service. I'm not saying they're there for good but there will be a big announcement if they get removed, I'd say.
That being said, Judgment and it's sequel aren't on Game Pass and neither is the Fist of the North Star Yaluza-like. I don't think it's on Xbox at all.
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Re: Expedition 33 Wins GOTY As Xbox Takes Home Two Awards At The Golden Joysticks 2025
@GamingGod no one was talking about it so I wanted to ask the real questions.
Re: Expedition 33 Wins GOTY As Xbox Takes Home Two Awards At The Golden Joysticks 2025
Why does your man have braces, a beret and red pants?
Re: Roundup: The First Impressions Are In For Xbox Extraction Shooter ARC Raiders
I was interested in this until the PvP thing came up. I thought it was just PvE. I get that people like other humans to engage with but my experience has been that it can be entirely unbalanced. One of the reasons I stay the ***** away from GTA online is the amount of pay-to-win cunce ruining your day.
Re: Deals: Xbox Seasonal Savings Sale Now Live, 400+ Games Included
Please enjoy over the Halloween period. The opening was very slow for me. I loved it. I need to go back and complete it but I've been savouring it.
Re: Deals: Xbox Seasonal Savings Sale Now Live, 400+ Games Included
@SpecialT two weeks later, what did you think?
Re: Deals: Xbox Seasonal Savings Sale Now Live, 400+ Games Included
@SpecialT highly recommend. I got it last year for £35 and do not regret that at all. Absolutely phenomenal game.
Re: Xbox Cloud Gaming Expands With 'Unlimited' Usage & Special Perks For Game Pass Members
@Gabrie remember that MS will have done some market research on this. By upping their price by 50%, they have to assume that X amount of users will unsubscribe, but have assume that as long as X equals less than the amount of users needed to maintain their profit, they won't lose any profit at all.
The easiest way to test this is for one third of us to cancel our subscription. The Ubisoft+ stuff is sure to cost them a bucket and they'll take a financial hit. They don't care about breaking even. They want higher and higher profits. Don't give it to them. Save your money and buy a game rather than trying them out through game pass. What new games are going to be coming out soon anyways?
Re: Poll: What Review Score Would You Give Dragon Age: The Veilguard On Xbox Game Pass?
@Jenkinss there's a marked difference between disagreeing with someone's opinion and actively saying that elements of a game that allow gamers to feel more inclusive and included are unwelcome.
It's akin to saying that you don't like baseball vs. saying that minorities should not play baseball. One is an opinion. The other is bigoted.
Re: Poll: What Review Score Would You Give Dragon Age: The Veilguard On Xbox Game Pass?
@Sindayl what's funny is that I'd not heard much about it other than it was mediocre until a friend came to stay and revealed to me what you had said. I'd no idea that there was an anti-woke brigade against the game at all, and still don't understand the reasoning behind it (maybe because I don't feel that non-heteronormative pronouns or gender are massive deals at all, but some cis men clearly do).
This is a long walk to say that, based on what I have seen, the game was fine and would have been seen as fine but some loudmouth bigots screech into the ether and put a stink on an otherwise okay game.
Re: Roundup: Here's What The Critics Are Saying About Gears Of War: Reloaded
It's weird that most of the reviews use the the word, "sure," before criticising the game. There are other ways to do that but they all choose that one.
Re: Poll: What Are Your First Impressions Of Wuchang: Fallen Feathers On Xbox Game Pass?
I like it. It's a different style and rhythm to the Soulslikes that I've played and it suffers from that which a lot of these games suffer from in that there is a copy/paste element to a lot of the mechanics where they are functionally the same but use different phrases and words to describe them, meaning that you need to determine what are the souls/bonfires/estus etc before you can actively engage with it.
Enjoying it. Very pretty. Hard and decent new ideas. Don't think it's my favourite but it'll do.
Re: Inazuma Eleven: Victory Road Brings Its Football RPG To Xbox This November
@cragis0001 is Pretty Derby comes out on Xbox, my wife will lose her mind.
Me too. But for different reasons.
Re: Rare Comments On Everwild Cancellation For First Time Since Xbox Layoffs
@Kaloudz Rare haven't been the same since the late 90s. Their games were fun and chock full of things to do but suffered from just a lack of shine. None of their stuff since then has been good. You can blame MS, but go back to the original games and find that they are mediocre. They have a special place in my heart and we're amazing for the time but haven't really held up.
Re: These 10+ Games Are Coming To Xbox Next Week (July 14-18)
@Kraven 24th July, so not next week but the week after.
Re: These 10+ Games Are Coming To Xbox Next Week (June 30 - July 4)
Slim pickings.
Re: THPS 3+4 Unveils Two New Characters & Maps Ahead Of Xbox Game Pass Launch
@Kaloudz thems fightin' words.
Re: Volcano Princess Arrives On Xbox Game Pass To 'Overwhelmingly Positive' Reviews
@Kilamanjaro hold the phone... You said "an FAQ?" Am I the only one who pronounces it "fack"?
Re: Volcano Princess Arrives On Xbox Game Pass To 'Overwhelmingly Positive' Reviews
@TheCityPop I dig what you're saying but have you read the reviews on Xbox? Half of them are meme reviews and the remaining ones are homophobic, transphobic, racist or genuine technical complaints. Only a few are legit and Xbox isn't great about filtering out the nonsense ones.
Re: Xbox Officially Has Its First $80 Game, And It Won't Be The Last
The cheek of them. I get that it was going to happen, but the Outer Worlds 2?! Sure the first one was guff. How do they justify selling a sequel to a subpar game at that price?
Re: Former Game Pass Title Atomic Heart Has Been So Successful It's Spawned A New Publisher
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Re: Former Game Pass Title Atomic Heart Has Been So Successful It's Spawned A New Publisher
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Re: Former Game Pass Title Atomic Heart Has Been So Successful It's Spawned A New Publisher
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Re: The Best Xbox Soulslike Games NOT Made By FromSoftware
@Kaloudz I actually did enjoy the exploration, which is my favourite part of any soulslike game. Up until Elden Ring, I hated the bosses in these games because it basically gatekept me from the rest of it due to their linear nature. I might give it another shot.
Re: Former Game Pass Title Atomic Heart Has Been So Successful It's Spawned A New Publisher
@Ricky-Spanish that's the reason I'll never play it. There were some weird things about the launch too. I think it was very pro-Russia, pro-KGB nonsense. And the game is crap too.
Re: Talking Point: What Are Your Plans For The Xbox Games Showcase 2025?
What are the chances of shadow drops, do we think?
Re: The Best Xbox Soulslike Games NOT Made By FromSoftware
@Kaloudz that first boss was where I tapped out. I don't like games with split second reactions and I couldn't beat him would it.
Re: Some Fantastic Games Are Discounted By 90-95% On Xbox This Weekend
@jikflet you're not. I've done that a lot and ended up either selling the physical or keeping both for collection's sake. Some of these games are so cheap that you wonder if it's not like Halo 2 where everyone has a copy and more exist than Xboxes. I think buying a game that's on GP and owned by MS is crazy but that's just me.
Re: Xbox Set For Another Winner As Tony Hawk 3+4 Previews Go Live
@Brigurugi he actually wasn't going to be in the game due to his personal issues but, allegedly, Tony Hawk ponied up the cash to have him in. It had less to do with Bam wanting to take part and more to do with how they could spin having a raving lunatic like him in the game.
Re: Talking Point: What Have You Picked Up In The Xbox Spring Sale 2025?
@Retrokingdan tell us if One Piece is any good. It looks fun but I've not seen the anime or anything.
Re: Reaction: Oblivion Remastered Sets A New Standard For Xbox & Bethesda
@LogicStrikesAgain Demon Souls was not remade from the ground up. It is identical in all ways (even the bad ones). You could play it alongside the original and not find any changes.
Re: Atomfall's Xbox Game Pass Launch Has Done 'Really, Really Well' For Microsoft
@fatpunkslim "It’s been since the Xbox One era that people have been saying this—aren’t you tired of following the herd?"
Lots of people are saying it. They're all saying it. Stop being sheeple. Do your own research.
Re: Here's What Might Leave Xbox Game Pass In May 2025
@Sol4ris the creators of Lords of the Fallen also gave ***** to diversity. So ***** em.
Re: Atomfall Dev Reveals Overall Runtime Ahead Of Xbox Game Pass Release
@OldGamer999 a lot of folk like long games, sometimes not even long, engaging games. I don't really mind filler as long as it's fun. I liked AC Odyssey because it gave me that dopamine hit constantly but hated AC Valhalla because, despite the fact that there was so much to do, a lot of it was carbon copy sit-and-wait-for-AI-to-walk-to-you *****. Both had similar playtimes for me and but I'd rather spend 200 hours doing something I like than something dull.
That said, people see playtime's and think that's going to be 50-60 hours of pure fun, and a lot of the time it's menus.
Re: Two Colourful Indie Games Announced For Xbox Game Pass In 2025
@Vordus I didn't realise that. Maybe I was more invested in Harvest Moon.
Yeah, I love Factorio something shocking so Little Rocket Lad sounds like something I'd like but I have a feeling it's far more simplistic and might feel like a step back for me. But it's on Game Pass so why the hell shouldn't I give it a shot?
Re: Two Colourful Indie Games Announced For Xbox Game Pass In 2025
@jesse_dylan well, "cosy" is just another way of saying that there is little penalty for failure, which is what a lot of of causal gamers like and these type of games have a broad audience and are easily made. None of them do anything new, they just mix and match things here and there. Start off small, punch trees or ore nodes to get resources, make x of y item for z person, rinse and repeat as you unlock item y1 and y2 and engage in simple tasks until there are no more tasks left. Helps it there are multiple currencies or resources to juggle as it adds a false layer of complexity.
There's nothing wrong with these games and people love them but they're not going to set my world aflame and are easily forgotten. The only reason Stardew Valley and Minecraft are still around is because they were the first to use this gameplay loop.
Re: These 40+ Games Are Coming To Xbox Next Week (October 21-25)
I swear Bard's Gold came out millions of years ago.
Re: Two More Xbox Game Pass Titles Quietly Appear In October's 'Leaving Soon' List
@Foxx_64740 It was a real down point in an otherwise wonderful game. I dislike the grind in any game when it is necessary to complete the game. I don't mind it for optional bits, but this was to complete the game. Very disappointing, and I hope they fixed it in the sequel. Every other Yakuza/LAD game hasn't had a grind, or it's been barely noticable.
Re: Two More Xbox Game Pass Titles Quietly Appear In October's 'Leaving Soon' List
@AdolBannings-Laylee I'm the same. It had been sitting on my to play list for ages. I was gonna get through LAD (the end game grind is real and devastating) before going into Gaiden and Ishiin. Devastated.
Re: Xbox's Newest Free-To-Play Titles Seem To Be Proving Popular So Far
@HeavyHoggJP you got your red balls and your coloured balls. Red balls are put in a standard triangle and worth 1 point and there are 15 of them. The coloured balls are placed on specific points on the table and are worth more - yellow is 2, green is 3 etc in the order of yellow, green, brown, blue, pink, black, which is worth 7 points. You can't pot a coloured ball until you pot a red ball first, and if the balls are potted out of order (other than red), they are put back on the table. So if you pot a red and then a green while the yellow is still in play, the green is put back on the table where it started. So if you're damn good, you can pot a red, black, red, black and so on until all reds are gone and then you pot them in order (yellow, green, brown etc) until the table is clear for a maximum of 147 points.
Of course, that never happens. Other rules are shared with pool like foul balls for potting the white, which gives the opponent a "free ball". Fouls give points to the other player, so you don't lose points, your opponent accumulates them. Games are played in "frames" (a single game), which are odd numbers (such as best of 3 or best of 9) and you must win more than your opponent to win the match.
You dig?
Re: Xbox's Newest Free-To-Play Titles Seem To Be Proving Popular So Far
@HeavyHoggJP pool isn't snooker. They're both played on a table with cues and balls but they're different, just how poker and solitaire (or Klondike, if you prefer) are both played with cards but are different games.
Re: Roundup: Here's What The Critics Think About Visions Of Mana From Square Enix
@PsBoxSwitchOwner it would gain a greater audience on Game Pass and the author wants it for free.
Re: Fallout: London Is So Good, Some People Think It's The 'Best Game Since New Vegas'
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Re: These 10+ Games Are Coming To Xbox Next Week (July 1-5)
@ImGame69 none of the titles mentioned are Game Pass.
Re: Time Is Running Out For Hundreds Of Games On The Xbox 360 Store
@Arcticpandapopz I'm sorry, friend, it's always worked for me. That disc must be scratched up horribly. I know if I put one in the Xbox One that is backwards compatible, it downloads a version rather than copying from the disc. Maybe that's where I got my idea from.
Re: Time Is Running Out For Hundreds Of Games On The Xbox 360 Store
@Arcticpandapopz I know that feel. I don't know if this has been offered before, but if you install the game onto the HD from disc, it helps with scratched discs.
Re: Review: Dead Island 2 - Long-In-Development Sequel Embraces The Absurd
@GuyinPA75 why do you choose Borderlands specifically? There are other looter shooters out there.
Also, these posts are almost a year old.
Re: 18 Xbox Games Suddenly Receive New Batch Of Easy 1,000G Achievements
I will admit that I've played manys a game long after I would have otherwise put it down in order to get an achievement or two, but I'm proud of that time spent! Plus, some great stories about them and allow me to engage with a game differently. It's a shame they've been whored at times but sure this is life.
Re: Two Games Are Confirmed For Xbox Game Pass In January 2024 So Far
Didn't realise I wanted or needed a sequel to Turnip Boy but as long as it doesn't outstay its welcome, I'll be delighted.
Re: Roundup: Here's What The Critics Think Of Xbox Game Pass RPG 'Persona 5 Tactica'
@Adol-Bannings I couldn't get into it. I tried a bunch of Shin Megami Tensai games plus a few Personas and the balance of battle to life SIM was too off for me. If I'm going to dedicate dozens of hours of my life to a game, it better be one where I enjoy it.
Re: Xbox Game Pass's 'Like A Dragon Gaiden' Will Launch Without English Voiceover
@Dan1283 they've been on for ages now, far longer than Game Pass games usually stay on the service. I'm not saying they're there for good but there will be a big announcement if they get removed, I'd say.
That being said, Judgment and it's sequel aren't on Game Pass and neither is the Fist of the North Star Yaluza-like. I don't think it's on Xbox at all.