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@theduckofdeath
Well as always we shall see with those other games.
Forza will be top tier AAA as turn 10 and playground games are magical. So that is good maybe you can leave them studios and also the coalition to get on.

But you can’t manage every studio and game the same. I don’t manage my older wiser staff the same as I manage a new graduate straight out of university. That’s the strength of being a good manager and training and development plans for the right circumstances etc.

@NEStalgia
Sorry, didn’t understand your last sentence meaning
“ Games alone just aren't it if the major games are there.”

@Kevw2006
Ok I see, well hopefully we will found out very soon what they both have to offer.

@Kevw2006
I take this ABK deal as excuses on either side really. That will be lawyers etc dealing mainly with that not game development studios and game management personnel.
Sorry to sound abrupt but to me it’s just an excuse banded about. I mean take Redfall and Arkane. Arkane we’re not dealing with the ABK deal.

@Fenbops
Yep compared to March 2022 to March 2023.
Ok the Switch is down a bit as well but it had along way to fall and is in its sixth year.
But still doubled Xbox sales, worldwide in March 2023.
So far April is looking exactly the same and it won’t change at all for series consoles all this year 2023. Maybe a little uptick at Christmas with some good bargain prices and a top end AAA Starfield might help a little bit.
There’s are no games the general public want on series console compared to the other two, mass public wise.
Of course it helps the other two have masses of momentum and public awareness as well. And gaming characters well known and a Mario movie etc.
A bit like Halo and gears of war used to be known back in the day.

@Fenbops
Please all take this lightly but every time I see Phil’s face pop up on here.
I wanna scream at him. What the ducking hell are you doing Phil”
That’s the polite version as well 😂😂😂

@Fenbops
And that is why their brand has stated to slow in 2023 and also after shock from 2022.
Did you know just console wise in March 2023 worldwide Xbox series consoles sold about 343 thousand less than in March 2022.
And it keeps spiralling down. That is not good game pass or no game pass.

@NEStalgia
Back in the Xbox360 days when Xbox had the amazing AAA games third party exclusives and better looking and running third party games on 360 than in PS3 I didn’t look much at PS3.

It was only when Xbox took their foot off the peddle and Sony realised first party big AAA games can sell our PS3 that I wondered over to see what the PS3 was about. The rest is history with PS4 etc.

It’s just purely games. And big AAA ones at that.
I haven’t got a Switch for mobile gaming mine is always docked. And definitely not for graphics etc.
it’s for Mario Odyssey, Mario Kart, BOTW, Metroid prime etc.
Just amazing AAA games that count.

@NEStalgia
I really believe Xbox could sell as many consoles or be up there like the 360 days.
They just need the games that make general public go wow. Like the 360 Halo, gears of war, Forza M and H etc. Some third party timed or full exclusives.
Some amazing PR and advertising etc.
they can do to with the right team and top management.

@Chaudy
Spot on it’s all about the great games for me.
And if you don’t supply them you don’t get played on your console or game pass and the brand loses momentum and support.

@Kevw2006
That’s cool. Xbox only has one competitor at the moment and it seems to be their own self, doing the damage to themselves.

The others don’t really need to try that hard.
I mean Sony haven’t done loads so far this year but of course the console is selling very well now on last years games and brand recognition etc.
and we all know what Spider-Man 2 will do for Sony.

The Switch is hybrid and does its thing
But they are backing it well with TOTK so far this year big AAA wise.

@Chaudy
I play only big high production mainly top of the game AAA exclusives.
That’s why I have all three consoles for that.
Of course that’s why Sony and Nintendo get played the most and me series x has not really been touched since January 2023.
My next game is of course TOTK.
Doesn’t matter what console it is in or who makes the game, it’s a big top end production AAA game, the games I love to play if they suit my gaming tastes.
Now to finalise if I had to choose only two consoles it’s easy PS5 and Switch, just one would be hard decision.
Now those that can only have one console general public wise go PS5 or Switch and that is why it is all about the games.
Of Xbox made TOTK or GOWR then I would be playing them on the series x and others that can only have one console would get a series x.
Phil and the team really need to get that simple process into their brain cells.

@Kevw2006
Never said it was totally a failing brand was just trying to see if that was the total market saturation point for consoles about 290 million roughly.

Just for fun some of Phil’s apologetic history

today (May 2023) for poor Redfall reception
in January 2023 for poor 2022
in May 2022 for Bethesda delays (Redfall and Starfield)
in January 2021 about the Xbox Live Gold "drama"
in November 2020 for the Xbox shortages
in August 2020 for the poor reception of the Halo Infinite showcase
in January 2017 for Scalebound cancellation

He must be sick of apology

On a lighter note and in a pleasurable way as we know competition is there between the companies and in a nice way.
I wonder what Sony and Nintendo think of all this goings on and Redfall and Phil apologising and interviews etc. They must have thought and talked to their work colleagues about it.

@NEStalgia
Some very good points there.
So I guess Xbox will always have a console or consoles to sell. I think if they didn’t have the Xbox console brand then they would lose some brand recognition and be further from the general public than they already are, due to reasons this new generation of their own making etc.

@Kevw2006
Yes they probably do need someone to keep them both in check as Sony and Nintendos markets are a bit different.
Perhaps the market purely console wise is a big as it gets. Two leaders selling around 120 million consoles each and a third bringing up the rear on around 50 million. That could be market saturation point.
So it adds up to roughly 290 million in totally and three companies have to do battle over what portion of that total they get.
Of course that then effects game sales, controller sales etc and subscriptions sales which all make money as well.

@Kevw2006
Good point I should have said Xbox studio games only of course or they could just make them for the other consoles like a third party developer does and sell them normally.

@Sebatrox
Halo single player campaign was good especially the fps movement and gun control and grappling hook.
It just need to be a bit more environmentally and graphics wise and a bit more diversity biome wise.
But I finished the campaign that I really enjoyed and collected every skull and collectible.

@NEStalgia
Well let’s say Xbox went software only would then Sony and Nintendo let game pass and or Xbox game studios games on their respective consoles.

Would that not be a great solution.

@Moonglow
And my point let those studios get released to freedom.
Meaning Xbox are not any good with them.
Let them go be managed correctly and create amazing games.

@Moonglow
You do what you like. I have had Xbox since day one and every Xbox console on day of release.
I’m just so frustrated with them that it gets the better of me. They are sinking what was an amazing gaming brand.

@Green-Bandit
Thank you spot on, when you have been with the original Xbox days and amazing times with the 360 days and some good with Xbox one especially for me when the Xbox one x was released as well.
It’s so just frustrating to see what is happen to Xbox brand now, especially games wise and also now how the third party developers are starting to treat the series x console performance wise.

Then Xbox keep damaging themselves even more with Redfall type game releases.
There is something seriously wrong at Xbox towers and being an operations project manager I would love to go to Xbox towers and see their processes, management and what the hell is going on.
It’s what I do it’s part of my job.

@grumpypotato
That made me laugh, especially the fund raising bit.

@UltimateOtaku91
That is why I always bring the 360 days up.
They were hungry then getting lots of new amazing games great existing ip made even better with sequels and purchased third party made games like mass effect etc.
it’s all about the games as simple as that.

I would not mind so much but to release Redfall as it is, is like suicidal at this moment in time.
I’ve never seen such self destruction of a once amazing brand Xbox.

@UltimateOtaku91
Here is one for Phil, put your job where you mouth and hopeless excuses are.

If Starfield doesn’t get 89% or higher on metacritic you leave you job.

Why 89%. Horizon zero dawn, PS4, new ip by an established developer.
Starfield. New ip by established developer.
Give that a try Mr Apologies.

@UltimateOtaku91
I have just given up with them.
Yes I’m a bit angry and frustrated having been with Xbox since day one.
But to watch a company basically self harm and be so self destructive is a crying shame to what was great brand Xbox.

Those responsible need locking up and the key throwing away. Or just get it over and done with, sell your studios Microsoft and leave the games market.

The below says it all, lies and terrible management:
Well Bethesda stated:

“ "We've made the difficult decision to delay the launches of Redfall and Starfield to the first half of 2023. The teams at Arkane Austin (Redfall) and Bethesda Game Studios (Starfield) have incredible ambitions for their games, and we want to ensure that you receive the best, most polished versions of them.”

I now don’t trust Xbox with anything at all.
They are probably at lowest they have ever been since the Xbox one press conference.

I will keep it simple.
Get off your PR and manage your team to manage.
Stay on PR and give someone else your job who is capable of managing.

@Chaudy
Amazing what Xbox was back in my younger days especially 360 days. Sensational.

@Chaudy
The worst thing of all for me.
Series x is a brilliant console and Redfall could have been and should have been a top AAA.
I would just love to know what Microsoft are doing and why they do this self destructive approach with games.
They should be having a full managerial investigation into what went wrong and sorting their mess out.

@Chaudy
Definitely think overall quality control has dropped.
They need to introduce what we call in the aerospace industry, zero tolerance when it comes to quality and quality control.

I also believe since covid, hybrid working from home and a general lack of drive from employees and possible lazy management is not helping as well. Also bad employment decisions.
I see all this in my industry so it is definitely happening in the gaming industry.

@Kaloudz
What is the single player gameplay etc actually like, watched some vids and it seems good.

@Sol4ris
Whenever Xbox get their AAA in top condition I will be there, but it’s like watching paint dry at the minute, year after year.

@Sebatrox
Whatever you say. And glad you are enjoying Redfall as that is what gaming is about.

@SplooshDmg
I just don’t get them at the minute. I sort of see and understand what their game plan maybe.
But they have missed the most important thing games that are as good or better than the competition, that capture the general publics imagination and create buzz and momentum around the brand Xbox.
It’s a business at the end of the day and I’m sure they want to do better and be top dog.

@SplooshDmg
Well Xbox managed it and own the developer so they have themselves to blame.
And after Halo Infinite you would have thought they would have learnt some lessons.
Another miss management of another game and studio. Keep em coming Phil until you are sacked in a professional way. That means moved elsewhere in the business, making it look good.

@TakeItEasy
It really is a simple as that, we will believe it when we see it.
We didn’t with halo infinite, we didn’t with Redfall and haven’t seen much at all.
It is basically as easy as that, when we get it we believe it.

@Sakai
And I will be there with you, day one.

@Sakai
No i have a white OLED and we are probably close to Switch 2 or Switch pro end of this year or early next. Not sure what way it will go.

@old-dad
Yes I’m sure TOTK will be game of the year maybe even decade. Can’t wait to explore etc and spend many hours with this game.