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"premium Xbox mobile controller" - £170 ffs 😄

Lots of indies incoming.

@Kaloudz Live service games. They're not going to port tentpole single-player titles to such a small userbase.

Playstation games available on PC...news at ten.

Not sure why she was so evasive a out Xbox ports to PlayStation, we know they're all coming, it's just a case of whether it's day one or a few months later.

Well it's been coming. GamePass has been a money pit for years.

@Feffster Sounds more like half that according to Steam reviews.

@Banjo- Those home 'consoles' will be PCs with Xbox branding. And yeah they'll very much be niche non-subsidised devices, as a regular (upgradeable) PCs and consoles will continue to be the dominant platforms going forward.

@Banjo- The beginning of a niche device which will sell a fraction of the already low Steam Deck sales.

Anyone seriously interested in a handheld PC is better off waiting for the Steam Deck 2.

@Gabrie You don't know the meaning of objectively....

Xbox is a dying platform for a number of reasons so business wise it makes sense for them. At least it will come eventually.

Should be sold for £20 since it's basically a five hour interactive movie.

Puts yesterday's results into perspective.

@TheEstablishment It's hardware sales that will drive GamePass sales. Xbox is a third-party publisher now, and if you think Sony and Nintendo are operating like it's 1996 I don't think you've been paying attention - where were subscription services, online pay walls, pro consoles, microstransations, DLC etc in 1996?

The difference they still control their own dominant ecosystems.

@fatpunkslim With all due respect, I'm not sure what your problem is but you were hyping PC GamePass numbers - a 45% increase of a very low figure means very little in terms of the bigger picture.

Also this:

"Even Xbox consoles are benefiting from this Game Pass boost, as going from -29% to -6% is an improvement:

This is year-on-year decline (after significant drops in previous years) and means Xbox hardware sales are now at a very lot point. InstallBase estimates 800k for Q3 sales so it would appear this "GamePass boost" is non-existent.

I would suggest you do some research on interpreting percentages.

@TheEstablishment Nonsense, hardware numbers have dropped massively and won't reach even 40m. GamePass is stagnant in part because it's dependent on Xbox hardware sales. The fact that they put Balck Ops 6 on GamePass and still won't reveal numbers is telling.

They are now a multiplatform publisher because the platform has failed to reach the necessary penetration. They are basically dependent on Sony and Nintendo for revenue - who get 30% of everything Microsoft publishes on their platforms.

@WildConcept6 Series consoles won't be reaching 40m, sales have fallen of a cliff, and now their games are available on PS5 and soon Switch 2, aswell as PC.

Big drop-off from 58m of the Xbox One which itself is considered a failure.

@IOI No it definitely doesn't mean that, this may be an earnings report but they apply a positive spin on things in their summary and have been for years. The fact they stopped giving actual numbers says it all. And the last we heard from Sarah Bond was 34m last year - including GamePass Core so a reduction from the previous GP and Live figures in 2022.

Basically GamePass will be seeing another price hike very soon.

@IOI Great? They put CoD on GamePass and we know that it contributed to the revenue growth but not by how much.

However the fact there are no sub numbers is telling.

@Fiendish-Beaver Yes this exactly. People are acting like Sony will keen to release games on a small userbase which has been trained to not buy games due to GamePass.

Sony and Nintendo will keep their stores to get their 30% cut on third-party party games/DLC, keep all profits on first-party games, maintain online paywall fees, and selling accessories like the Portal. Playstation will also release a handheld soon.

@SMJ You sound you're really setting yourself up for further disappointment.

Consoles are going anywhere, there's no need to be upset about that.

@Cakefish This move is purely about the Xbox hardware failing.

They will make more money than they were previously, but is that really saying much? GamePass has been a money sink, and they have a small userbase, and they are still losing money on Series X production because they haven't figured out how to reduce costs.

Sony and Nintendo will make more in terms of profit by controlling their own ecosystems.

@SMJ How will they look at the money being made at Xbox when profit figures are hidden? Lol.

There will absolutely be a PS7. A generic PC box that everyone decides to release games on? The nearest you will get is a Steam Box. Some will buy it, many will rather have a console under their TV.

@SMJ The league forced Sony to make MLB multiplatform, nothing to do with testing the water. Very likely the same applies to Lego Horizon. Meanwhile the big hitters remain console exclusive.

Cloud streaming remains far off. Geforce Experience is the best, but it still has issues with queue times, and it's expensive. Then you have problems with latency and image quality which will always exist no matter how many data centres there are. Can you imagine playing a competitive multiplayer game and enjoying it on x-Cloud? Nope me neither. I think some people just talk about cloud streaming as a way of not accepting the pivot Xbox has made.

@Deshalu Microsoft is going this route because it's been forced to due to its hardware failing. Sony are in a much different position, and their position strengthens as it becomes the sole higher-end console purveyor, with Nintendo having most of the hybrid-portable market.

@SMJ Nope, they make much more from controlling their ecosystem, plus have a much larger install base than Xbox which will transition to purely being a publisher.

Xbox only reports revenue figures not profit anyway lol.

@Cakefish Except it won't because they don't have control of a dominant ecosystem. And they will be giving out 30% to other platforms.

Not to mention many of their games aren't as sought-after as Sony and Nintendo first-party games.

@Jenkinss Playstation announced ages ago they were putting live service games to PC day one. They're not going to follow Xbox and put a gun to their head by doing it for all games though.

@DaddyDuder There's no chance of them waiting one or two years before porting going forward, they're not even doing that now in many cases - Doom, Outer Worlds 2 both coming to PS5 day one. Indiana Jones coming three months after it's initial release.

You can bet Elders Scrolls 6, Fable, Perfect Dark will all come to PS5 (and maybe Switch 2) day one.

@Elbow Yeah just one of many mistakes made was that he and the rest went way too hard with GamePass, it was obvious for ages that putting new AAA titles on it wasn't sustainable.

@fatpunkslim Except we know that Microsoft paid Disney to make the game console exclusive to Xbox, and are porting it anyway.

@fatpunkslim Soon they will all be coming out on Playstation day one.

@Elbow Xbox hardware has been cratering for months and months though, and it was known to be transitioning to Microsoft Gaming, a third-party publisher.

Awful numbers, they should have ported Indiana Jones to other consoles day one, and I'm sure they will do so for Fable, Perfect Dark etc.

@cragis0001 Yes surprise surprise, Kadokawa want Sony to buy everything. Guess what, they might find they don't have a choice either way.

Regardless Sony are able to exercise more control over the company, and I bet Bloodborne 2 is a lock.

@Rog-X Helldivers 2, MLB, Astro Bot, Spiderman 2, Lego Horizon, Until Dawn Remake...not to mention all the other console exclusives that have come like Rise of the Ronin, FF7 Rebirth, Stellar Blade, FF16. Seems like this dry spell is a figment of your imagination. As is the suggest that Microsoft Gaming is suddenly going to pivot and stop being a multiplatform publisher.

@cragis0001 Dumb. They acquired a larger stake Kadokawa, and will pursue a full acquisition for the parts of the company they want down the line. People getting triggered won't change that.

@PSDeckSwitchOwner Bloodborne 2 on its way though almost certainly anyway and Miyazaki wants it too by all accounts .

I think Sony will go in again to acquire just the bits they want (anime and gaming).

@Prestige-worldwide “Game Pass as an overall part of our content and services revenue is probably 15 percent,” says Spencer. “I don't think it gets bigger than that. I think the overall revenue grows so 15 percent of a bigger number, but we don't have this future where I think 50–70 percent of our revenue comes from subscriptions.”

We don't get profit figures from Xbox because they're hidden. In terms of revenue though GamePass is just a small fraction.

We know this. It was obvious Spencer, Bond, and Stuart were lying through their teeth when talking at the "Business Update".

It's Microsoft Gaming now, they're a third-party publisher and everything will be on Playstation and Switch 2 (where possible) day one. Next gen all they will have is highly expensive niche hardware.

@TheEstablishment Youre stuck in third gear, and Xbox is stuck in third place. Permanently.

@TheEstablishment Laughing all the way to the bank while still hiding profit numbers and being way behind Sony and Nintendo looool.

Suggest you do some reading on finance. Start with definitions of revenue and profit

@BSlyTheGamerGuy Yes, they bid despite not having any money . Same goes for Crunchyroll and Kadokawa.

That guy doesn't have a clue btw. You must be his alt hahah.

@BSlyTheGamerGuy Interesting that they along with Apollo bid $26bn for Paramount not long ago at all.

And that the share price is so high despite being in dire straits.