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@grumpypotato That's just pure speculation on your part, there's zero evidence of an impending price increase. Xbox didn't increase the price of Game Pass when Forza Horizon 5 dropped and that's arguably been the biggest addition to the service so far in terms of 1st party titles.

If there was going to be a price increase it will be announced well in advance by Xbox themselves.

@Savage_Joe It's not a GOTY in that sense, it's just the base game plus all the previously available DLC

I also bought it a while back and played through the first six episodes with my kid, a very good co-op game for all ages.

Wow , that is some list. Never expected to see Lego Star Wars The Skywalker Saga or Hot Wheels Unleashed GOTY Edition on Game Pass. Hello Neighbor 2 is much anticipated in my house and I'm personally looking forward to High on Life.

@Titntin I didn't say every GwG game is great every month, go back and read what I said. I've never subscribed to solely GwG, my sub has always been to Game Pass Ultimate which includes GwG so to me it's completely irrelevant.

@Titntin I wasn't replying to you, but since you started with the smack talk I'll give you my 2 cents. Not every game on GWG is "cr@p" as you put it, and yes, getting to keep those games even after you cancel is a more consumer friendly option imo. I do still own a PS4 so I speak from my own personal experience.

Mass Effect Trilogy on Game Pass won't be cycled out - do you do any research before you post? It's an EA Play title, so it won't be removed.

GWG is not the "entry tier" of Game Pass, they are completely different services, and Game Pass overall is far superior to PS Plus, in fact it was a key factor in my decision to get an Xbox Series X for this generation rather than a PS5. No idea why you posted but there's a lot of errors in your statement.

@UnusedBabyWipes That selection is better, no dispute there, but the problem with your point is that PS+ and Games with Gold are very different services when you cancel them.

PS+ games are all locked as soon as you cancel your subscription, Games with Gold on the other hand are yours to keep forever.

@munstahunta Basically that yes. The sooner cross gen is dropped the better.

@Dezzy70 I think you're overreacting a bit there mate, I know it's almost panto season but you could reign it in a bit yeah?

@Would_you_kindly You didn't do much research there did you pal? It's £59.99 on Steam

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1938090/Call_of_Duty_Modern_Warfare_II/

@Would_you_kindly Well it's only that price on PS5, not on Xbox or PC.

@Stocksy Kinda funny of you to say that when the main stream media loves to suck at the teet of Playstation all the time.

@Dr_Luigi Showing your true colors there bub

@RadioHedgeFund No, that picture has nothing to do with the next DLC. It's there because of the current event celebrating Forza Horizon's 10th anniversary which is still ongoing. It's been running for the last 3 weeks, with week 1 being all about FH1 and recreating some of the FH1 moments in FH5, like the festival site and racing Darius. If you zoom in you can even see the "Forza Horizon Anniversary" window sticker on that SRT Viper GTS.

@Titntin That Digital Foundry analysis and comparison with Arkham Knights was spot on. Arkham Knight leaves this game in the dust - I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw the rain effects and water are both far WORSE in a game released in 2022.

Pure Xbox gave Arkham Knight 9/10 and this gets an 8? How?

Not to mention the fact that Gotham is less dense and lifeless. Just imagine what this game could have been if Rocksteady had developed it. Such a waste.

I think a better name for the game would have been Arkham Knights Non Optimised Edition. Or Arkham Knights 30fps Edition. Or even Arkham Knights we can't be bothered Edition.

The only version that's worth playing is PC which is 60fps.

@themightyant Tetris Effect Connected is amazing, I did buy it on PS4 but it looks like I'll be buying it again on the Microsoft Store so I can play the VR version on my Quest 2.

@Would_you_kindly Ah nice. But I'd have to buy a PS5 plus the PSVR2, which a lot of money just for one VR game. I'll stick with my Quest 2 I think as Meta already have the Quest 3 in the pipeline which will be using a more powerful processor than the PSVR2 (SnapDragon XR2+ which made it's debut on the Quest Pro).

I'm sure the PC VR mod will be worth the wait.

This does look great, debating whether to get it on Series X or PC now, as Xbox still hasn't embraced VR and the other modern Resident Evil games all have VR mods on PC. I'll wait and see what the performance is like on Series X before I make my decision.

@Dsswoosh What I'm hearing is you either had a under powered PC for the games you were playing or you don't know how to optimise games on PC. I do have a high end PC and I do know how to optimise my games, because I'm a computer technician by trade. I've been optimising business PC software since Windows 98. I know Windows like the back of my hand.

And then you make a false statement about console frame times which I instantly destroyed by pointing out how badly optimised Gotham Knights is on current gen.

That was one example but there are loads more.

I think you've made it pretty clear to everyone that your bias is to console in this debate and will die on that hill even if I provide lots of examples of terrible console game optimisation.

But here are just a few to make my point.

https://youtu.be/Z6Vno8r4cN8?t=862

https://youtu.be/fzbL7opmXpg?t=511

https://youtu.be/VPBpYEDrGXQ?t=682

Frame time issues are caused by lazy developers, not any particular platform.

@Dsswoosh "And these games you mention will also suffer bad frame time on PC too."

That was never my point. What I took issue with, and responded to, was your insinuation, whether intended or not, that consoles don't suffer from this issue.

They absolutely DO suffer from this issue. I've been a console gamer for far longer than I've been a PC gamer. I go all the way back to the Super Nintendo. I've owned every generation of PlayStation except for PS5 and every generation of Xbox except Xbox One.

I've only been a PC and console gamer since Skyrim released in 2011. From my own experience frame time issues exist on all systems and console is not this dominant force in frame time that you make it out to be.

@Dsswoosh Go watch Digital Foundrys breakdown of Gotham Knights on console, or Watchdogs Legion, or many other games.

You can tell me frame time is rock solid on console as much as you want, doesn't make it true though.

"Gotham Knights targets 30fps, but it is constantly beset by frame-rate drops, stutters, and frame-rate time fluctuations, especially evident in traversal."

https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfoundry-2022-gotham-knights-is-a-poor-effort-suffering-from-a-range-of-technical-issues

@Dsswoosh Proof or it's just your opinion.

@Dsswoosh You didn't address any of my other suggestions, and Windows itself is a propriety system. The only "open source" OS is Linux.

Also I should point out that consoles are not immune to frame time issues, a quick Google search would show you that.

You prefer console over PC, all power to you. But let's not pretend this issue is just on PCs, because that's factually incorrect.

There are pages upon pages on Reddit alone where Xbox users are discussing micro stutter issues on Series X consoles.

@Dsswoosh That is absolutely not true. Unless you can provide evidence to the contrary I shall treat your last comment as a troll post.

Frame time issues can be addressed in a number of ways, buy a variable refresh rate monitor (G -Sync or FreeSync) , turn off v sync, use the latest drivers, set a frame cap, lower your USB polling rate, turn off background activities, make sure Windows is up to date.

@Dsswoosh That's an incredibly subjective statement. PC Gaming is not blanket bad frame time across the board.

Now seeing as you never revealed the specs of your PC I'll have to assume it wasn't good powerful enough for the games you want to play. I never made that mistake. My PC is more powerful than either a PS5 or an Xbox Series X. So my experience is completely different to yours.

I only bought an Xbox Series X to play games with the family that support couch co-op, although I've branched out a bit from that now and also play some single player games on my Xbox.

@Dsswoosh This game is mostly walking and crouching/stealth. The 30fps is fine for that. As for the 1080p at 60fps vs 4k 30fps argument, just get a PC and use PC Game Pass. I have both an Xbox Series X and a pretty high end PC, I've played this game on both.

Now while my PC can run it at 4k 60fps and it felt better because of it, it wasn't a huge difference. It this was a racing game then yes it would be an issue for me.

@Cassislight Hard pass from me. If you read the latest article on that game here on Pure Xbox you'll know now it's been limited to 30fps because of lazy developers.

If it comes to Game Pass I'll take a look, otherwise it's a big nope.

@JayJ It is based on the original Ghostbusters. Specifically it's following the ending of the last Ghostbusters movie which did feature the original Ghostbusters (Ghostbusters Afterlife).

@carlos82 The Ryzen 5 3600 is not much less capable than the APU in the Xbox Series X, neither is the APU in the Series X equal to a Ryzen 7 3700, it's a bit more complicated than that as those are cpu chips for PC and not APUs. The Xbox Series X caps out at 3.6Ghz while the Ryzen 5 3600 can boost up to 4.2Ghz under load so the 3600 is still faster per core.

However I do think this is pure laziness on the developers part not bothering to make the game 60fps.

No 60fps on Xbox Series S is maybe believable but no 60fps on Xbox Series X or PS5? Both consoles are more than capable when you consider some of the open world games available - GTA V, The Division 2, Halo Infinite etc. Even a dynamic 60fps at 4k should have been achievable.

I think the writing was on the wall just from the fact they never bothered to update Arkham Knight to 4k 60fps, even though Series X would be fully capable of it. This is laziness of the highest order.

Avoid this game like the plague.

@Member_the_game My guess is that it's the new generation of gamers that are buying GTA V now, we forgot that even though we played GTA V years ago, there's younger gamers who are buying it now who were too young to play it back in the Xbox 360 and Xbox One eras.

@Reptilio Because generally speaking Xbox only agrees to a 12 month deal for these games to be part of Game Pass and those 12 months are up.

@Cikajovazmaj It's a 20 hour game, you have time to complete it before it leaves.

@Richnj I'm on Xbox Series X so this doesn't affect me, but as far as Xbox One owners not accepting that kind of performance, if you think most of them would accept 540p you're kidding yourself.

And it's not even their decision, it was down to 343 who decided it wasn't good enough. All this postulating isn't going to do anything, especially when most people have already moved on from Halo Infinite.

Hopefully Koei Tecmo can push out a hotfix patch before the demo is taken down, although they should extend the time the demo is available for if it's as bad as everyone is saying.

@Richnj 540p at sub 30fps is unacceptable performance, especially in a FPS game. I don't want to give myself a headache looking at that, nor would many people I'd wager.

However 343 should have just dropped the feature on last gen consoles instead of scrapping it for everyone.

Yes that would be harsh on last gen gamers but that's the price you pay for playing on aging hardware.

@uptownsoul Not true. Microsoft, unlike Sony, made moves to sort out their supply chain, that's why they have consoles on shelves. It doesn't matter how many people demand a PS5 if none are available, it could be one person and they still wouldn't get their console.

Nintendo and Microsoft have no supply isues and both have stock on shelves. Sony pony's come up with the higher demand excuse time and time again when Nintendo have the highest demand, yet they still get the stock out to their customers.

Microsoft don't need or want to raise their prices, they sold the OG Xbox and the Xbox 360 at a loss, do you really think their long term plan is to raise the price of their console? Everyone knows the real revenue stream is the games you buy for the console, not the console itself. This generation is also fundamentally different for Microsoft as they're putting so much weight behind Game Pass, which doesn't even need a console in order for you to use it.

@Porridge2215 I don't know of any game that left Game Pass that quickly and I've been subscribed for over 2 years. And yes, it has microtransactions, which are mentioned towards the end of the article.

They're completely optional though (just clothing items) and don't affect the core gameplay from my own experience watching my daughter play it.

@Titntin FH5 isn't a true next gen game, it's a cross gen title. That might explain the longer load times, time will tell when Forza Motorsport releases next year as that is Series consoles only.

The only truly next gen (that's 1st party) game that I'm aware of is Microsoft Flight Simulator, which takes a while to load on PC or Series consoles.

@Richnj That "evidence" you provided is a Twitter video, and I just watched it. The user in question is only running the lower half of the co-op, there's no-one actually using the controller on the top half so it's inconclusive if the OG Xbox One could actually handle it, but judging from the inconsistent frame rate on the lower half of the screen I'd say no, it can't.

It's more than likely that this version of the co-op campaign is the entire reason the 343 scrapped the mode entirely.

@jarvismp I'm aware of the Backbone but this was a review for an Android device so I wanted to keep my comparisons to Android device only. There's also no native app for Game Pass on iOS as my friend soon discovered when his "app" turned out to be just a browser shortcut.

@Savage_Joe Why would Valve pay a publisher money to make an obscure game like Victoria 3 a Steam exclusive when they want to make money, not dish it out?

The only PC store that does that is the Epic Game Store. What is likely to have actually happened was that the deal to bring this to Game Pass wasn't finalised and Microsoft decided to pull out.

@FraserG There was no comparison to Razer's offerings in this market. The Razer Kishi also sports a direct USB-C connection and a USB-C pass through port.

@Zucaritas Your original statement did not mention racing games that need a wheel, you just mentioned good racing games. Asseto Corsa and it's spin off fit that description.

However GRID Legends is on Game Pas now and that is a great racing game with a controller.

I've played pretty much all of these games so no big loss for me.

A Plague Tale Innocence is clearly the biggest loss but it has been on Game Pass for a very long time (over 2 and a half years at this point), so if you've not played it yet you probably weren't that interested in it to begin with.

I might buy Craftopia but not on console.

@BRT15 No they don't own Asobo but they do have an incredibly close relationship with Microsoft, as demonstrated by not only Plague Tale Requiem coming to Game Pass Day 1, but also but the fact ( and this probably gets missed a lot) that Asobo's CEO takes part in every single Microsoft Flight Simulator press conference and development update.

That might seem insignificant but if you watch him at those events you can see how close the relationship is between the two companies. I can pretty much guarantee that were Asobo ever to get into financial difficulties that Microsoft would be the first company they'd look to for assistance, by either offering a stake in the company or a complete takeover.

@Spazmonic Last year's edition of MLB The Show did leave, as they replaced it with this year's edition. I guess they extended their deal for The Long Dark otherwise it wouldn't be there.

@Zucaritas Not entirely true, Asseto Corsa and Asseto Corsa Competiozione are still there.