I have toned down the game purchases recently ( last year), but if it's a game I like Starfield comes to mind I buy it even if it is on gamepass.
I'll buy fable around Christmas time. I just like those kind of games. for me gamepass lets me try games I never would have and I have found some real gems.
I mostly know what I like and buy them.

@Weebleman so your saying there is no way they couldve known spending 100 million on South of midnight was insane before they did it? My point was these crazy budgets that had no supervision were their doom. the could easily guessed from similar games performance to know 100 million was crazy. using the avowed example they new how much fallout newvegas moved so what should have been a close estimate.
Xbox let all these guys run wild. he even admits in the article they were spending to much.

@Weebleman but they don't pay the same thing for ever game again if you have a game like avowed that brings people into gamepass and the budget for making the game is reasonable you make money in the end. Especially if you sell add-ons or expansions to people who would never have bought them. what about your cut of the game when it leaves and that person decides they want to own it
you still get money for the sale.
it's just like selling a console at a loss you play the long game and bring people into the eco aystem

@GuyinPA75 I never said only count gamepass.I said they should be measured with how much people play it on game pass. if 3 million people who played 40 hours or whatever metric you use that should be included in how they come up for the budget of the game. The unlimited budget was the point . you kinda missed it.
another thing if even a percentage of those people buy the 30 dollar deluxe addon for a game they never would have bought without gamepass that is more money the game brought in when it would never have sold a dollar. they also are selling games on other platforms that don't have gamepass. the point I was making which you totally missed is they should have a metric on how much a game is played to determine the budget so these games like South of midnight would never have had 100 million budget or the gold standard of waste senua.

@GuyinPA75 it's totally sustainable they just need different metrics. for example avowed if 3 million played for a certain amount of time then that should count as 3 million sales for them and figure into their next games budget. its the unlimited budget no supervision that was the problem.
avowed was supposed to be their Skyrim it was nothing like they promised.

@RTGX I have 162 hours and have barley scratched the surface. 5 hours is not enough time but it gets your feet wet I guess.

@RiverGenie @Fiendish-Beaver this is the danger of corporate overlord gaming same as Xbox having Microsoft. their so wishy washy with their commitment. I don't even understand why they had the big console launch and then their best expansion ever only to be closed. I really enjoyed new world.

Man the new title track is amazing. the music in this game might be the very best I have ever heard for a game.
enjoying my new playthrough think it will keep me busy until or close till fable launches.

@Fiendish-Beaver @HonestHick I probably am the worst offender in this group of over looking the engine deficiencies. Some off it is there terrible qa, but I just don't know how you test for stuff in some of their games. I once built a tower of stairs out of books to get to the top of an oblivion tower.

@Fiendish-Beaver I would have never thought you disliked Xbox. I always took it as concern for your fav gaming ecosystem.
I am in the same boat I love Xbox, but they should be called out on stupid things like not lighting a fire under Todd's but to get going. I also really like Todd but it's within reason.

@RiverGenie idk why it didn't click for you, but the new enhanced version makes the story more understandable. I restarted just to see it.

@ThatFilbo the reed devil was an sob pardon the language

@HonestHick what I always new it was the creation engine and never said otherwise. I like the creation engine jank and all. I think it would be very hard to do what you do in their games with something else. crimson has a good engine but it doesn't allow the kind of itemezation that you can do in Morrowind or Skyrim.
I honestly think people bagging on the engine is way to hip.

@Banjo- I know it's janky and I was shocked about the loading screens in starfield, but the creation engine is part of the fun lol.
to be clear I love starfield just was shocked at the loading screens.
the engine for Crimson is pretty amazing if they just rented the engine they would be in the cash.

@HelloCraigo thanks

@HelloCraigo
@Fraserg
Is there anyway you guys could include a caption under the pic from the article as to what game it is going forward please?
you guys always find the coolest pics from games and I can never figure out what game its from.

@Balaam_ I'm sorry I have to disagree with you on one point. Its not clumsy to use at all I have xbox, steam, gog, ubi, ea, and blizzard on my mine its super easy to switch. As far as the battery goes mine lasts a good while and is easy to recharge. That though just depends on the game for a game like kynseed i can play for 6-8 hours without recharging. Diablo is a good long time too. Honestly internet connection is more of the problem for me do to always online stupidity.
The price thing I agree that its insane.
I am totally happy with the rog xbox ally i love it.

@FraserG thanks brother!

@FraserG I have 3 questions for you.
first I agree with you I use mine basically everyday. I have a seven year old at home and some games just can't be on the big screen.
1. my major concern is the power cord I am terrified of breaking the connection have you tried using a 90 degree angle cord?
2. on the new rog that is coming out do you think the oled will make a difference for playing it in the car or on the train or while camping?
3. I'm on the fence for dropping a ton of cash on the new one with those glasses they sound awesome. but, my rog ally x is pretty awesome already my one issues is just sometimes a lot of day light makes it hard to see. so back to number 2 does an oled make that big of difference? I have never owned an oled handheld.

@Fiendish-Beaver are you going to wait that long to play fable?

I doubt it will be in the ultimate tier. I'd it lets people play for like 9.99 a month like Netflix that's not a bad thing. if they force it down everyone's throat I would be done.

gamepass has let me find a lot of games I would never have tried though to be honest.

I buy most game I want anyways for instance I bought fable. if there was just an online version so I could play diablo or online games with my friends I would go that route

When does it launch? I bought it on xbox and live in central time I can't seem to figure out when I can actually play it lol.

zero company is pretty awesome. I can't wait for bitreactors next game after this one it's so good.
the one thing I have enjoyed besides the tactics is the setting clone wars era is pretty cool and so far the story has been good.

@TheCrafter1578 so a you tube search for fable game riot video they have about 15 minutes on a pc with medium settings and it still looks good. I know it's not an Xbox but that has to be close

@Rimebreaker can you get a physical copy? I'm in the states I checked Amazon and it seemed only digital.

@FraserG I know your right 15 years ago gta would have been on my radar now I have 0 interest.
still here to looking for a great feb playground games are such a good studio. I'm really excited for the future of fable.

@FraserG so now I'm really confused if it's as good as it looks and I'm a huge fable fan. why did they delay it I think it will hold its own against gta.
anyhow it looks awesome so excited for it playing kynseed and then all the fable games to get ready.

@Old_Man_Harper I died multiple times on the first boss fight in the prologue before I even kicked off the main story when it first came out.i made my guy a major buffer. now that the expansions that I'm interested in are out I'm starting a fresh game tom.
they are really good at making these games although they are always a buggy mess at first.
the pathfinder games are really good if you haven't tried them.

@Old_Man_Harper rouge trader is so good. I Have sank a lot of hours into it what's your mains class spec

diablo 4 trying to finish the season ladder for the first time ever. I'm pretty much geared out but only on rank 7 in the season so still chugging along.

@Fiendish-Beaver ya 7 or 8 is a good score. I think I felt I was being pushed down narrow corridors. which in its defence 1 and 2 had some pretty narrow corridors. I'll try it again. I remember all the hooplah about this subject or that subject I really don't care about that stuff. while I'm deeply religious most of all those kind of things can be ignored in games I just want to have fun.
also my wife who is a church worker sacrificed just about everybody she could to the temple of skorm in the fable games which was pretty hilarious.

@Fiendish-Beaver I didn't like veilgaurd maybe I didn't play long enough but it felt souless it just didn't grab me they way the other 3 did. I could care less about the drama around it as I'm a big dragon age fan maybe I should give it a second go

@Kilamanjaro thats the thing what i said about starfield was the loading screens were shocking but other then that i really liked it at launch. I would say its 100 times better now. I still think it has some of the best quests ever the terramorph thing was awesome the collecting for a bank was awesome.
I really enjoy it.
Is it as good as Morrowind probably not but Morrowind was my first beth game and I think it just has a special place for me.
I think it is just as good as oblivion and Skyrim and those games are pretty good in my book.

@ZYDIO I'm not saying pound it out in 5 months but we're way past the reasonable time frame I would think..
I have never complained about their jank.

@Nakatomi_Uk actually I know all about it and that's what I obsidian agreed to if they didn't think they could cut they should've agreed to different terms.
I also remember launching new Vegas and my guys body was sandwiched and his head was spinning like something from the exorcist.
that being said they got jipped for sure it was a great game and they deserved the bonus.
I was a little disgusted about that when I read it years ago
again though obsidian had a deal they should've had better terms.

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@InterceptorAlpha are these fall out mods on nexus? I would love to do a 3 and new Vegas combo run in actually playing new vegas on the x right now loading times are awesome

I'll check that out thanks.

So i love Bethesda and i think Todd is awesome. I just don't understand why it takes so long fallout New Vegas was pounded out pretty fast after 3. I want a great elderscrolls game and i love the creation engine for its jank, but i just don't understand why it takes so long. I dont want them to crush themselves with insane hours and I dont know how many people work for them. I also dont want starfield to suffer as i love that game but why?
On a side note why the hell cant they get a morrowind remake out the door.

so today I bought the item shop on the vale and then the perk to turn it into a baker then unlocked the 2 skills that lets me make 4 pies for the cost of one . Now we're baking.
trying to decide on my future honey it's a tight race between a girl who is obsessed with gnomes or the local drinking establishments owners daughter.
I also convinced the skrumpys to give me their codes to their lock box in testy acres cha ching!!!!
my last act was to feed a pig a gassy apple and pop him for bacon

@fraserg tell those nitendo lifers to re review the game. it's a solid 8.5

so I'm on my third season. I own a blacksmith, the apothecary and move around the map via outhouses.
I've banged with a bunch of hobs. played a rock anthem to clear weather and found a rock producing troll on my farm.
looking forward to buying the item shop and making it focused on pies.
oh and I played a game similar to deal or no deal called squeal or no squeal where you pop pigs to see what their hiding.
deal or no deal is my very fav casino game.

so I own it on the PC and bought it for the Xbox. it is a really fun game I can't recommend it more. if your on the fence at all. take my recommendation and get it you won't be sorry.
as far as the comparisons to stardew valley it's better by leaps and bounds.

kynseed is awesome

the fall out remastered news for me sucked into fall out new vegas. The game is amazing on series x. the load times are like micro seconds which is good because I made the legion so mad they are sending some pretty tough loot pinatas my way all the time. just got to novac.

@Fiendish-Beaver @IllusiveMan I honestly Dont care about day. To me gamepass value comes from games i would never try in the first place. I have found some great games that I would never have tried before.
The fables, Starfields, and the like I always buy anyway so I can own them no matter what.
I cant remember who post it above but the point that the studio should get some credit if two million are playing it on gamepass seems like a metric they should be using.
If you are saying doom underperformed but has been played by three million for 10 hours at least that seems like a success. This is Microsoft wanting it both ways. Either get rid of day one and take the subs hit or give the studios credit and put the machete away.
I think on gamepass after three months is a pretty fair compromise.

I just think some of these studios are not living in reality. They took forever to make a game then the game was some junk a majority of people didnt want to play.
How is it State of decay still is not finished it boggles the mind.
The only layoffs i question is ESO that game has raked in the dough i understand most of it was from their new mmo being canned though. So they are getting back to normal levels.

I'm really enjoying my time on my kynseed after the tavern update.
I'll def be buying it for Xbox.
I just finished fable still holds up. will be starting fable 2 soon

@oopsiezz I mean read the article their over budget and behind schedule. I don't think its unreasonable to have an issue with them.
Personally I don't understand how not releasing a game at this point is good for business, but if they don't think they are ever going to finish I guess you have to cut bait.