I really hope the other side understand why after they play it we were upset that it didn’t even get a nom ah the game awards. Truly one of the best racers.
@JustinTimberlake well there is a great video on YouTube by Welfare. Basically MS is just selling hardware as a luxury item. Essentially they are a Sega now at this point. Next hardware will be insanely expensive, but that doesn’t matter to them at this point. They’ll be pushing software, subs, and cloud.
That said they can’t say that to current console owners without upsetting them more so you are right about damage control. Just MS isn’t expecting hardware sales in fact they’d rather you didn’t buy the XSX. It’s less money for them.
So when games skip and the console owners lose community support staff and perks it’s because Xbox is evolving? And what reason does he give to buy a console, performance over content? .. Most people buy consoles because of libraries not performance
@Medic_alert yes that’s the indie team, but they make special agreements for people going down that route. However, if you don’t have one of these agreements; the full print amount is required.
@Medic_alert they might have said they were, but they never did. Instead they partnered with a few companies and as well as um doing something with indies devs to help them with physical but all signs point to the min amount being still in the massive range compared to the other 2. Like 10k vs 1k
I really don’t care that a sequel to multiplat game is going to PS5.
I care about the dumb double “this is an Xbox” ad. No one is playing these kinds of games on their phones and PC gamers will be the first to tell you PCs aren’t Xboxes.
1) physical provides marketing lack of that= lack of marking
2) lack of matketing = lack of marketing
Almost like MS forgot how to market things because they are so big. Social media doesn’t make up for marketing it just doesn’t. It’s a trillion dollar company that doesn’t like to spend money. Then can’t figure out why they can’t make money.
@lokozar the issue comes from a change I think on MS side that broken the MT Frameworks ability to code for that platform as a new game. Existing games could be updated because the devs do have the know how. I didn’t link that video either but XboxEra Jesse said between 2020 and 2022 whatever it is is it happened when MS made the change from the old XDK to the GDK for even XB1 games.
Games that started development before this change would have been fine but games started after would need the new upgraded GDK instead of XDK.
And something between these two kits it’s what broke it.
@ValentineMeikin Again all skipped games run on MT Framework and to date no RE Engine game has skipped. And no game running on MT Framework has launched for Xbox since 2022. That is a pretty consistent through line.
@ValentineMeikin First off if you look at the games that skip Xbox none of them have PS5 native versions. None.
Second Capcom isn’t claiming anything. Jawmincher isn’t not Capcom. And Windows Centeal doesn’t claim their sources are Capcom either.
Third all of those games are old minus MHS 2 not sure of the list just hasn’t been updated with the collections because their ports or what. But technically the Switch/PS4 version of MHS 1 just released like this month and they don’t list it as a separate game because it’s a port.
@ValentineMeikin no it doesn’t. And it’s more than one game. Since 2022 no MT Framework game has appeared on Xbox. However no RE Engine game has skipped. Including a game like Ghost Trick.
@ValentineMeikin the Ace Attornery games have moved over as have games like Ghost Trick. It’s kind of hard for me to consider this a Capcom issue when clearly they are in process of moving everything over. I just think these skip games were in development for a while. Not recent. And monetary wise didn’t make sense to update the engine.
@JoakimZ why would they do that though? I’ve only seen them step in for games like Palworld that have huge player bases.
@InterceptorAlpha pretty much this. Not to mention the older titles would have been in development for quite some time before release. At least as far back as 2022. To fair the support probably stopped before then that’s just when the last MT Framework game launched.
Also want to point out MT Framework doesn’t support PS5 so those games only have PS4 versions.
@theduckofdeath I don’t think they gave them a chance to do that though. Judging from the tweets and how things seems to go down this was a massive surprise to everyone. In fact it looked like they were working on a Switch port.
I’m not suggesting they take the IPs because that studio worth is the talent not the IPs. None of Tangos IPs are huge sellers on their own. They also pretty recently were allow that studio to hire.
@CutchuSlow I don’t think Dring was making it up but what exactly is the context for big? A game with an audience that’s already PC oriented? Maybe it sells better on PS5 because the install size is larger but overall the game should be played mouse and keyboard?
@Fiendish-Beaver sure but I’m not sure those games are going over. I’m not sure of anything right now but the truth is neither is he. He is of course just guessing.
While things are dicey for Xbox right now. Judging everything by one podcast? Eh. I’m not happy with the direction but that’s pretty far fetched.
And the context is that podcast has always be less than positive towards Xbox.
@Fiendish-Beaver the thing is the games didn’t blow up the charts. Well one did and is. These were test games. I truly do believe more games are going to PS5; I just don’t think it’s every game.
As I thought Seas of Thieves is the one doing the heavy lifting. Which tells me they will most likely be looking to move more of their GAAS style games over.
Dring also mentioned in the same podcast MS is less focused on GP which no they aren’t. They are doubling down on that. They just aren’t adding ad much third party content to the service. Looks to me liked they’d rather use their own first party content now for the service.
Again I do think more games are going but I’d exercise caution at taking everything he said as gospel.
Also while Xbox slipped considerably in EU it was actually the console that slipped the least in Feb in the US.
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Re: Xbox Login Raises Concerns About Preservation Of Forza Horizon 5 On PlayStation
@carlos82 I can play the solo portion of Halo to, your point?
@beltmenot sure but default isn’t like that.
Re: Xbox Login Raises Concerns About Preservation Of Forza Horizon 5 On PlayStation
@carlos82 Forza is multiplayer though.
Re: Forza Horizon 5 Officially Announced For PS5, Drifts Over In Spring 2025
I really hope the other side understand why after they play it we were upset that it didn’t even get a nom ah the game awards. Truly one of the best racers.
Re: Xbox Is 'Evolving' Rather Than 'Losing' Its Identity, Says Phil Spencer
@JustinTimberlake well there is a great video on YouTube by Welfare. Basically MS is just selling hardware as a luxury item. Essentially they are a Sega now at this point. Next hardware will be insanely expensive, but that doesn’t matter to them at this point. They’ll be pushing software, subs, and cloud.
That said they can’t say that to current console owners without upsetting them more so you are right about damage control. Just MS isn’t expecting hardware sales in fact they’d rather you didn’t buy the XSX. It’s less money for them.
Re: Xbox Is 'Evolving' Rather Than 'Losing' Its Identity, Says Phil Spencer
So when games skip and the console owners lose community support staff and perks it’s because Xbox is evolving? And what reason does he give to buy a console, performance over content? .. Most people buy consoles because of libraries not performance
Re: Soapbox: I Hope Xbox Properly Supports Switch 2 When It Launches In 2025
Of course Xbox is going to be supporting its newest console. After all Xbox would rather support everything but their own native console.
Re: Xbox's 'Top Paid' Backwards Compatible Title Could Be Coming To Game Pass
Old CoD doesn’t seem appealing but maybe that’s me.
Re: Sony's New $320M 'Alliance' Has Left Xbox Fans Breathing A Sigh Of Relief
Sony wanted Kadokawa for the Anime/Manga. I doubt any game is exclusive.
Re: Microsoft CEO: 'We Are Redefining What It Means To Be An Xbox Fan'
TV TV TV oh wait wrong era hmmm whelps they still can’t figured out the messaging.
Re: Croc Developer Insists There's 'Almost No Demand' For A Physical Xbox Version
@Medic_alert yes that’s the indie team, but they make special agreements for people going down that route. However, if you don’t have one of these agreements; the full print amount is required.
Re: Croc Developer Insists There's 'Almost No Demand' For A Physical Xbox Version
@Medic_alert they might have said they were, but they never did. Instead they partnered with a few companies and as well as um doing something with indies devs to help them with physical but all signs point to the min amount being still in the massive range compared to the other 2. Like 10k vs 1k
Re: Xbox Has Reportedly Delayed 'A Big Game' Into 2026
It’s probably E-day. People heard it was supposed to be 2025 but 2026 is the anniversary and it most likely needs more time.
Re: Yes, The Outer Worlds 2 Is Another Xbox-Developed Game Heading To PS5
I really don’t care that a sequel to multiplat game is going to PS5.
I care about the dumb double “this is an Xbox” ad. No one is playing these kinds of games on their phones and PC gamers will be the first to tell you PCs aren’t Xboxes.
They’ve lost the plot.
Re: Like A Dragon: Pirate Yakuza In Hawaii Launches February 2025 On Xbox
@NEStalgia you will make Majima cry
Re: Like A Dragon: Pirate Yakuza In Hawaii Launches February 2025 On Xbox
@NEStalgia Majima-Chan is watching.
Re: Xbox Game Pass Hit Palworld Considering Free-To-Play Live Service Model
Interview is old they posted on their Twitter that they will not be going free to play.
Re: Capcom & Microsoft Find Solution To Bring Two New Fighting Collections To Xbox
@anoyonmus I think Apollo is actually unity. I don’t know about investigations; I can check.
Re: Atelier Yumia Gets 'First Look' Gameplay Reveal Ahead Of Xbox Debut In March 2025
It’s so pretty.
Re: Hellblade 2 Apparently Failed To Crack Top 100 Game Sales In Europe Last Month
1) physical provides marketing lack of that= lack of marking
2) lack of matketing = lack of marketing
Almost like MS forgot how to market things because they are so big. Social media doesn’t make up for marketing it just doesn’t. It’s a trillion dollar company that doesn’t like to spend money. Then can’t figure out why they can’t make money.
Re: Capcom's Old Game Engine Seemingly To Blame For Certain Releases Skipping Xbox
@lokozar the issue comes from a change I think on MS side that broken the MT Frameworks ability to code for that platform as a new game. Existing games could be updated because the devs do have the know how. I didn’t link that video either but XboxEra Jesse said between 2020 and 2022 whatever it is is it happened when MS made the change from the old XDK to the GDK for even XB1 games.
Games that started development before this change would have been fine but games started after would need the new upgraded GDK instead of XDK.
And something between these two kits it’s what broke it.
Re: Capcom's Old Game Engine Seemingly To Blame For Certain Releases Skipping Xbox
@NEStalgia @lokozar well DF disagree and does think it’s the Engine. If you don’t believe me
https://youtu.be/8lGvOQ-QVNs?si=zjfLQVzFkVk-NWXy
Starts at 42:48
Re: Capcom's Old Game Engine Seemingly To Blame For Certain Releases Skipping Xbox
@Beetlebum91 no I didn’t say that. I said the game doesn’t have a native PS5 version. It still runs with PS4 BC.
Re: Capcom's Old Game Engine Seemingly To Blame For Certain Releases Skipping Xbox
@ValentineMeikin Again all skipped games run on MT Framework and to date no RE Engine game has skipped. And no game running on MT Framework has launched for Xbox since 2022. That is a pretty consistent through line.
Re: Capcom's Old Game Engine Seemingly To Blame For Certain Releases Skipping Xbox
@ValentineMeikin how else do you explain
No Battle Network collection but they put Ghost Trick on Xbox
No Great Ace Attorney but Apollo’s Justice
No MvC collection but Ace Attorney investigations
MS only pays for Ace Attorney games but not Great Ace?
Literally the only explanation is the engine.
Re: Capcom's Old Game Engine Seemingly To Blame For Certain Releases Skipping Xbox
@ValentineMeikin First off if you look at the games that skip Xbox none of them have PS5 native versions. None.
Second Capcom isn’t claiming anything. Jawmincher isn’t not Capcom. And Windows Centeal doesn’t claim their sources are Capcom either.
Third all of those games are old minus MHS 2 not sure of the list just hasn’t been updated with the collections because their ports or what. But technically the Switch/PS4 version of MHS 1 just released like this month and they don’t list it as a separate game because it’s a port.
Forth If you look at the Re Engine games none of them have skipped Xbox https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RE_Engine
Finally pretty sure 2022 is when MS officially said they aren’t making XB1s anymore but Sony hadn’t yet
https://www.theverge.com/2022/1/13/22881211/microsoft-discontinues-xbox-one-consoles-2020
They’d actually stopped production sooner just no one mentioned it until then.
Re: Capcom's Old Game Engine Seemingly To Blame For Certain Releases Skipping Xbox
@ValentineMeikin no it doesn’t. And it’s more than one game. Since 2022 no MT Framework game has appeared on Xbox. However no RE Engine game has skipped. Including a game like Ghost Trick.
Re: Capcom's Old Game Engine Seemingly To Blame For Certain Releases Skipping Xbox
@ValentineMeikin the Ace Attornery games have moved over as have games like Ghost Trick. It’s kind of hard for me to consider this a Capcom issue when clearly they are in process of moving everything over. I just think these skip games were in development for a while. Not recent. And monetary wise didn’t make sense to update the engine.
@JoakimZ why would they do that though? I’ve only seen them step in for games like Palworld that have huge player bases.
Re: Capcom's Old Game Engine Seemingly To Blame For Certain Releases Skipping Xbox
@InterceptorAlpha pretty much this. Not to mention the older titles would have been in development for quite some time before release. At least as far back as 2022. To fair the support probably stopped before then that’s just when the last MT Framework game launched.
Also want to point out MT Framework doesn’t support PS5 so those games only have PS4 versions.
Re: Five Games Will Leave Xbox Game Pass In Late June 2024
Sword and Fairy ._. grumbles
I need to finish that game.
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (June 15-16)
SMT V Vengeance and Octopath Traveler 2
Re: Avowed Xbox Showcase Deep Dive Reveals Third-Person Gameplay
@Altaria_97 I don’t think they would have mentioned it as an option if it was only in certain places.
Re: Avowed Xbox Showcase Deep Dive Reveals Third-Person Gameplay
Now I can actually play this game.
Re: Xbox Reportedly Considering Game Pass Price Hike To Accommodate Call Of Duty
@FatalBubbles I’m a mouse ._. It’s not my fault you all make the holes too big.
Re: Xbox Reportedly Considering Game Pass Price Hike To Accommodate Call Of Duty
@SplooshDmg how many times now is this ?
Re: Xbox Reportedly Considering Game Pass Price Hike To Accommodate Call Of Duty
@NEStalgia @SplooshDmg I’ll probably respond properly later but yes ABK won and yes we need the cage. @fatalbubbles what did you do with the cage?
Re: Xbox Reportedly Considering Game Pass Price Hike To Accommodate Call Of Duty
@NEStalgia that’s just one thing they plan to do. But to have sales goals a for games on a sub service is weird but that’s what they do to
Re: Helldivers 2 & Ori Bosses Share Their Thoughts On Xbox's Studio Closures
@theduckofdeath I don’t think they gave them a chance to do that though. Judging from the tweets and how things seems to go down this was a massive surprise to everyone. In fact it looked like they were working on a Switch port.
I’m not suggesting they take the IPs because that studio worth is the talent not the IPs. None of Tangos IPs are huge sellers on their own. They also pretty recently were allow that studio to hire.
No I think this was a snap decision.
Re: Helldivers 2 & Ori Bosses Share Their Thoughts On Xbox's Studio Closures
@themightyant they could have made them an indie studio like Toys for Bob though.
Re: Xbox Is Shutting Four Studios, Including Arkane Austin And Tango Gameworks
No coming back from this. They deserve all the hate.
Re: These Are The Top-Selling Games In The Xbox Spring Sale 2024
COD, COD, COD… have you bought COD yet?
Re: Ori Dev Explains Why It Decided Against Third Entry In The Franchise, For Now
Ori 3 being a sequel would be a bit difficult …
Re: Phil Spencer Remains Tight-Lipped On Whether Final Fantasy 7 Remake Will Come To Xbox
@NEStalgia discord me
Re: Major Game Maker Reportedly Questioning Xbox Support Amidst 'Falling Sales'
@Marxally I doubt it. The game is in the most played and still doing well. They also would have canceled the physical.
Re: Major Game Maker Reportedly Questioning Xbox Support Amidst 'Falling Sales'
@CutchuSlow I don’t think Dring was making it up but what exactly is the context for big? A game with an audience that’s already PC oriented? Maybe it sells better on PS5 because the install size is larger but overall the game should be played mouse and keyboard?
Re: Major Game Maker Reportedly Questioning Xbox Support Amidst 'Falling Sales'
@Fiendish-Beaver sure but I’m not sure those games are going over. I’m not sure of anything right now but the truth is neither is he. He is of course just guessing.
While things are dicey for Xbox right now. Judging everything by one podcast? Eh. I’m not happy with the direction but that’s pretty far fetched.
And the context is that podcast has always be less than positive towards Xbox.
Re: Major Game Maker Reportedly Questioning Xbox Support Amidst 'Falling Sales'
@Fiendish-Beaver the thing is the games didn’t blow up the charts. Well one did and is. These were test games. I truly do believe more games are going to PS5; I just don’t think it’s every game.
As I thought Seas of Thieves is the one doing the heavy lifting. Which tells me they will most likely be looking to move more of their GAAS style games over.
Dring also mentioned in the same podcast MS is less focused on GP which no they aren’t. They are doubling down on that. They just aren’t adding ad much third party content to the service. Looks to me liked they’d rather use their own first party content now for the service.
Again I do think more games are going but I’d exercise caution at taking everything he said as gospel.
Also while Xbox slipped considerably in EU it was actually the console that slipped the least in Feb in the US.
Re: Talking Point: Which Backwards Compatible Xbox Games Still Hold Up In 2024?
FF13 1/2 and it looks pretty too
Re: Xbox Had Its Biggest Month Ever For 'Play Time' In January 2024
@Grumblevolcano yeah I’d like a littler more meat to the stats than what we are getting.
Re: Pentiment's Frame Rate On Xbox Series X Now Matches PS5
Have the updated the languages?
Re: Unicorn Overlord Launches On Xbox Series X|S To Fantastic Reviews
@FraserG that might be itself considering Metacritic only has 2 reviews for the Xbox version XD