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Part of issue with previous shows is took much talking. This one didn’t have enough. I watched the show with a bunch of Nintendo only gamers and most of them were confused on what the games were. Like Sleight if Hand.

Obviously let’s not go back to the talking heads but maybe a small bit of back and forth narration ?

@GeeEssEff they didn’t just help fund it. They own it. What’s being missed here is the cut of the games sales per platform. Moon gets nothing from people playing on GP, but again that’s the studios choice for basically selling the IP.

If I hade to guess I bet the Steam cut is the most money for them even from the Nintendo version. But that’s a huge guess with no facts.

I think people forget MS let Bungie go. The ABK merger wasn’t about Toys for Bob. To me this is win on all sides.

Pretty sure this is crosssave and in order to make that work; you’d need Ms to be handprint the saves. Do people not read?

Unicorn Overlord is amazing and I can already tell it’s going to be a super dense game. I just hope people play it on Xbox.

@Markatron84 old bug they never bothered to fixed on the Xbox version.

Look 120fps isn’t needed for a game like this but this should never have happened. It’s a very bad look.

@NEStalgia and again I say mobile can’t be the way https://mobilegamer.biz/inside-apple-arcade-axed-games-declining-payouts-disillusioned-studios-and-an-uncertain-future/

Console and PC are currently the only growth markets. Mobile gamers aren’t the answer.

@NEStalgia Well you and me both. I’m also really annoyed at how some insiders treated this whole Xbox multiplat thing. I am literally never trusting Tom Warren again. He created chaos and then walked it back. Not that he was the only one, but the worse one in my opinion.

I don’t know where things are going but I’m not going to be with my head in the sand. I just can’t do it.

And this old Dino still buys physical games here and there.

@Ralizah I seem to recall a few years ago when the console fanbase felt the Pc market had be prioritized. It is telling it takes their games going multiplat to get physical releases…

@NEStalgia Well I hope the rumors are true. I don’t trust them. Yeah I guess it’s “Disposable”, but I think it will suit my needs for now should I need it. I can play P3RE on the go then boot up the Xbox for the full deal. Which is where I see the strategy. I do see it because I use it.

I just think that there are too many hands in the cookie jar and not enough patience. Also this rumored looming All Digital Series X is all wrong. I know the majority of users are buying digital, but the S isn’t doing so hot right now. It’s a good box, but like no disc drive. Apparently, they can’t see that as an issue. People may buy all digital but they like having options. Anything less than options, isn’t real. Pity the Xbox team can’t see that.

That depends on whether you consider Aniplex /Bungie a part of Sony. In which case, yes they already do.

Nintendo would bankrupt itself first.

As far as I can see the Xbox version is missing languages that the other versions have. Also, someone did something to check framerate and the PS5 might be running at a higher framerate.

The language think I had my friends on other systems confirm via the store pages.

@NEStalgia that’s the thing the Ms execs don’t understand gaming and any change takes time . Xbox execs get that but money talks.

The entry level ally was 399 which is a sweet spot. 499 is too high but 399, yeah I can splurge

Tablet might be the way but cloud isn’t with the us internet so unstable. I hope the rumored handheld that uses cloud when docked is real. That sounds so impressive.

@NEStalgia yeah a lot of people don’t realize that about third parties companies but some of them their cloud rights are tied up elsewhere think like ABK. The same true for a lot of companies. Pretty sure Capcom doesn’t have steaming either… Atlus/Sega rights are clear so they are Play Anywhere and cloud. I think that’s why MS doubled downed on Sega. Clean rights.

Yes if MS did a handheld if buy it. If it’s traditional console no. I bought an Ally because Best Buy was selling them cheap and honestly it’s been pretty easy to use.

Look I get the strategy but as I said MS is jumping the gun here (again). They need to fix the brand image before the don the ecosystem swap. But sending games to other platforms doesn’t fix the brand.

MS has a whole lack of marketing. Their Achilles heel. And until they fix that; it will haunt them.

And please don’t give me that PC will never be mainstream as a counter because Xbox is taking itself out of stores so it’s becoming less and less mainstream. All casuals see now are the grey Gamepass cards. Really great marketing there.

@NEStalgia No I don’t want to own any console ever again thanks to MS.

You’re missing what I said. There are a number of third parties games that do not want their stuff streamed. Square Enix doesn’t allow any cloud versions of Final Fantasy.

Not to mention cloud does nothing for those of us with sucktastic networks on a good day. I’ve seen mobile games now say Wi-Fi free.

And the play anywhere catalogue is small really small.

Again my issue is this strategy is far far to ahead to work. They need to make sure they have a stable brand image and they don’t.

Nothing they have is a compelling reason for a casual to invest in Xbox.

Internet and cloud streaming sucks
Third parties aren’t all up to speed
Play anywhere library is small
GP maybe be cheap but if it takes months to completely a game; it’s pointless.

Regardless of plastic boxes, why use the ecosystem? I’d rather just buy a steamdeck and be done with it alll.

That’s the point.

@Ralizah hmm well my brain is fried today. Sorry about but I still think that’s the other all issue why 2 isn’t on PS5 yet. I assume it will be if this does well. Switch though I think the assumption is people might have played it. But the Rise exclusivity is gone so I can’t see that still being there for stories.

@Ralizah I think it depends on how well the pc/ps ports go. This was probably cheaper as it’s also on mobile to port and faster. If there is interest; I’m sure they will get ports. At least for PC. But I think doing 2 before 1 causes an Octopath Traveler situation.

@NEStalgia But see you can’t take your saves everywhere. Select Xbox games only. Most third party games are locked on the hardware your purchase them on. As for cloud, a lot of third party games can’t be played on cloud. This logic always ignores the third party, as of that isn’t a big part of the library.

Again I understand the pc like concept but an Xbox is limited compared to a pc. On PC there are multiple store front. People like to think it’s just Steam but the reality is there is choice. And even if my most of my games are on Steam, I don't have to to swap hardware to get to the Epic store.

The Xbox is still a walled garden. A more mobile walled garden but still walled.

As opposed to Pc. It’s not about the hardcore locked in spaces but those people on the fence. Casual gamers do still swap between systems. Even with the overlap most overlappers but their third party games elsewhere. The ecosystem doesn’t have true gotta have gotta be. That’s where money is right? Software/Services but again how do grow that?

People aren’t buying Xboxes. PS/Switch aren’t allowing GP.

As for GP games take a lot time to finish so the comparison of 17 vs 70 goes out the window If the one game takes you a couple months to finish it.

Literally I don’t see a reason to invest in an ecosystem that just sort of relies on users being cheap.

@Nalverus Like I said the industry is changing. I think MS is jumping ahead far too quickly again. That seems to be their issue imo a lack of patience.

While it’s cool you have everything. Equally I find it harder and harder to justify a purchase on a device where the people in charge have to be prompted to do things like market games for it. Or even express the issue. We didn’t need a 20 minute podcast the blog post was good enough for what they did.

I went to Pax West in MSs backyard, Starfield wasn’t demoing at an MS station but Razers. How does that make sense? It’s an uphill battle that I’m nearly sick of walking up.

It’s not doom and gloom but it ain’t sunshine and rainbows either. It’s this weird sort of half state.

That said I do think you should be allowed to do whatever the hell you want without anyone saying anything. It’s a freaking hobby that we all should enjoy more of and less worry over.

@NEStalgia I can’t see GP a compelling enough reason to own an Xbox and I can’t see the money people signing off on another piece of hardware that barely moves off shelves. PC do more than just play video games, so you can’t completely be PC like unless the next Xbox suddenly allowed me load quickbooks etc.

See why this strategy doesn’t work?

Again it’s all good and well not to be tethered to a box but how do you get someone into an ecosystem with no reason to?

Oh Gp?

Games take months to finish and people would rather have the entire library than a weak version and a lower cost.

People don’t go into books stores with 15 books even if they are dollar each

@NEStalgia I agree the box isn’t the strategy and that’s not the issue. The issue is the underlying problem with their over reliance on GP.

The box is the best way to bring new GP subs in and PC. But you can’t do so if GP isn’t on other things. Their PC and gaming strategy starts and ends with GP. If they built the ability to move your saved anywhere; it would be PC like. But I can’t just move my Hi-Fi Rush save to PS5.

The walled garden persists but now one side only has to wait a year to get what they want meanwhile FF remains tethered to the other side.

It’s all fine and good to take a PC approach but when that approach is rather one sided it’s rather difficult.

And how do you make hardware when the install base stops at 27 million ? How do you justify that?

I can’t see the install base growing now. They clearly don’t care about the box. If Phil wants to make another console what’s to stop Brad from saying no?

@Nalverus I think issue is that it means less people buying the console ergo a smaller playerbase on a playerbase that is already dwarfed by the other two. There is something like 20+ million XSX/S compared to 54+ PS5s. I can see more PS5s being sold, but do you really see Xbox install base growing now?

It might just be these four (although I don’t think so) but some people will try to wait out the exclusivity.

I supposed the industry is changing; I just think MS is always way way too quick to jump the gun.

Guess we shall see.

@NEStalgia well yeah basically. I’m sure the MS execs want more money per title. And I’m sure the Xbox execs want to keep exclusives. The issue is they both aren’t going to win. My issue is in the long term what does a commitment to hardware mean.

I think this GP will solve all the issues needs to stop. Someone needs to wake up and realize that isn’t a compelling enough reason yo own an Xbox. And when the sub drops off when games lol Starfield move and the MS execs start panicking again then they’ll alter GP. When the solution is to fix the brand image and stop half a$$ing the marketing and the branding. When will MS learn the value of marketing a brand properly?

@NEStalgia fatalbubbles is still around. I have different options besides discord. Including email >.> as Dino is that is these days.

@NEStalgia of course because MS always decided to be first on this stuff. I do think Sony GAAS will show up on Xbox of Marathon does well. I don’t know what extra money they thing Pentiment will generate on PS. Honestly I don’t know why they are doing single player games all at. GAAS stand to make more money in the long run and the community wouldn’t care. But you know that’s Microsoft.

@NEStalgia well Sploosh we knew him well

If you had a discord option

@NEStalgia Well it is basically case by case. I don’t know what the future holds, but I’m willing to bet they are pivoting into a different piece of hardware from the Series X. I guess we shall see what becomes of it. I don’t know. When outlets like The Verge stoke the fire, I feel like we are never going to have an end to the drama.

I really don’t think the tweet was meant to tease the situation. They are trying to calm people down not get them all upset again. The second post about the purple rowboat was like full three hours after the original.

Not to say the game isn’t going multi just that I don’t think they would have done a tease till after the podcast tomorrow.

@NEStalgia I bought it but I didn’t play it ._. Oops. I mean I was busying playing P5Tactica. Hehe. Wow yeah definitely drama now. I’m really hoping that this gets settled. But I feel like it won’t @.@

You wait a a week plus because I doubt they are going to have this update on Monday. And you wonder why the rumors are so far out of whack?

It’s literally gotten to the point a studio who went remote was accused of being shut down.

That’s on them for waiting this long.

@Ralizah no joke they seem to think if they put their heads in the sand it’s all going to go away. The narrative spins further out of control. Eventually Xbox is going to be merged into PlayStation.

@Ralizah given another rumor popped up about them changing the name of Xbox to MS Gaming and people ran with that. Now potentially Toys for Bob has been “closed”. And they think they can wait another 4 days? They are nuts. Everyone is racing to post as much negative Xbox news as possible. They aren’t even source checking.

@NEStalgia I miss your verbal experiences. I’ll respond later but how have I missed it.

@Trmn8r and PC isn’t big in Japan especially not in 2019 and it sold 245k on PC. That was mostly Westerners.

@Trmn8r sighs Capcom hack is the leak

https://gamerant.com/phoenix-wright-dragons-dogma-onimusha-capcom-sales-leak/

It didn’t come to Gamepass until last year and it launched in 2019.

As for sales of an “ collections of already made games never sell as well as new” you read the hack you’ll find Switch sold 462,000 vs Xbox’s 4,800 so no it’s a perfect example of the issues and even PS4 was over 100k. Xbox couldn’t manage double digits.

Kind of makes you realize what the dev is talking about now.

Moving an high profile game off the platform means the community will think all games are on the table. They may have been able to get away with it for the games like Sea and other GAAS, but the high profile single player games are a big fat no. People will second guess all games and just wait.

And the value proposition? Please sales are a thing and people would rather have all the games on one system.

People need to wake up.

@Trmn8r I don’t think you’ve seen how low the numbers were for Phoenix Wright the first collection. It was like 4k and no that doesn’t justify a port to the platform. It’s a miracle and GP money that we got Apollo.

Yes, there is a risk that the dev could lose money if the platform drops off completely.

@InterceptorAlpha nail on the head.

@Mephisto2869 well they payed their trade all over Twitter. ^^ you have content creators trying to get graphic artists to scrub their channels. This is not how a controlled leak works.

@Mephisto2869 no this is not controlled. They have people selling their consoles. And the OG business plan rumored date was spring ish. This all hands on deck.

Third parties are going to skip Xbox even more now. The hardware. There is already indie devs posting about this. MS spends money to get ports of some games but now? The box is dead, slow death but dead.

As for the brand, that will be fine. People will love new Xbox releases coming to their platforms. The brand with thrive as a third party.

Again if you think the box lives after this you are wrong.

I would love visitation rights for Zion… great video love the discussion.

@Fenbops no but I know this version should allowed to fix a mistake you might have made that I know P4G messed you up on

@Fenbops it’s my understanding, this has a rewind feature that should prevent what happened to you in P4G.

@PsBoxSwitchOwner they don’t really market the console outside of the Americas well. That’s literally it.

And when they do they don’t really adapt to the marketing tactics that country.

If you give people zero reason to own your console then zero people will own it.

Don’t get me wrong I’m not saying don’t do it but these days it’s super easy to purchase a “gaming pc” and play your Xbox titles there. In fact a lot of these PCs are hand held now….

This game is really fun and addicting. I really hope the devs fix some of the issues though.

1 million copies in 8 hours is insane

@Reaper_cet haven’t they only made two games this and Craftopia ?